Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:38 pm

So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan.

Former President Jimmy Carter drew widespread criticism Wednesday for saying that Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" outburst last week was "based on racism" and that an "overwhelming portion" of similar demonstrations against President Obama are rooted in bigotry.

Obama's supporters have attributed racist motives to some opponents of his health care plan for weeks, but Carter is the highest-profile person so far to push that claim.

While some anti-Obama demonstrators have been seen carrying over-the-top or racially offensive signs, administration critics say Carter is flat wrong to claim that those fringe protesters make up the bulk of Obama's detractors.

But one Black Conservative and One Democratic Congressman disagree. More tidbits from the article:

"I don't see race as an issue. It's all about the policies that are coming out of the current administration," said Deneen Borelli, a black conservative who spoke at the protest rally held in Washington Saturday. Much of the condemnation of Obama's critics has come as a response to that protest, where tens of thousands demonstrated against big government and over-spending.

"I just see this as the race card being used once again to distract the American people from the core issues," Borelli said.

.......

Rep. Donna Edwards, D-Md., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said she, too, didn't think Wilson's outburst was race-related.

"I think there's a lot of opposition, visceral opposition to his policies, but the reality is that this president won, he won with an overwhelming majority of support across the board from the American people and not not just from African-Americans, and it is time for us to move on and get down to the business of making the kind of change that the president outlined when he won the election last year," she said.

Full Article

(I can't wait till the usual suspects get on here and somehow immediately discredit the quotes by Carter because the link is to Fox News).

HOMER71 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:48 pm

Looks like Carter's idiocy has been outdone by a fellow Peach-eater, Hank Johnson (D-GA):

Congressman Suggests People Will Don 'White Hoods' If Wilson Not Rebuked

Didn't Obama (or his staff) come out and said the whole Wilson outburst was not based on racism?

7324ever · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:48 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):

More like Faux news!

But really just because people dont agree with him they assume that right wings are being racist. Its the same thing with Soto Myor were everyone assumed "Ooh she is Hispanic and person XYZ doesn't agree with her it makes them a racist."

It will happen all the time down the line of integrated politics when there is nothing else the left wing can attack they always have a fall back

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dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:53 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):

So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan

Take off the blinders. Where are you getting this from? This has nothing to do with support for Obama's health scheme, but rather the way he is being treated. That is what Carter said.

Nothing more. The other people interviewed by Faux made those comments, and they are, for the most part hardly an un biased group.

interesting to compare your source with CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/carter.obama/index.html

Dreadnought · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:57 pm

I am glad to see that Obama is not following that path this time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090916/pl_nm/us_usa_carter_racism_1

But you still have people trying desperately to shut up the opposition using the race card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UJaeLjCvH4&feature=player_embedded

“I guess we’ll have folks putting on white hoods and robes again and riding through the countryside intimidating people.” — Congressman Hank Johnson (D-GA)

Those are the words of the congressman who replaced the nutjob Cynthia McKinney, famous for slapping a Capitol Hill policeman who didn’t recognize her and asked for her I.D. Apparently, she’s not the only racebaiting fool in Georgia’s 4th Congressional District.

Besides, the only member of the U.S. Congress who DID wear the white hood is U.S. Senator Robert Byrd… a democrat!

The past few months Democrats have called those of us who dissent from their plans for a socialist makeover of America every name in the book. Then they have the nerve to suggest that the bad feelings that result are all our fault.

7324ever · Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:58 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
interesting to compare your source with CNN.

Simple enough logic

CNN= Liberal
Fox= Conservative.

They do the same polls everyday and the numbers on both sides always come out different.

[Edited 2009-09-16 13:59:09]

Dreadnought · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:03 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Take off the blinders. Where are you getting this from? This has nothing to do with support for Obama's health scheme, but rather the way he is being treated. That is what Carter said.

Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

"Overwhelming majority" means "nearly everyone". He is saying that virtually all of the opposition is based of having a black president, and therefore nothing to do with his policies.

I never cared for Carter. I thought he was a useless president with flashes of good work after his presidency. "He meant well", is how I would sum up his presidential life and post-office career.

But this statement is vile crap. I don't know if you can chalk it up to him becoming a bitter, senile old man but now I have as much respect for him as I do for Louis Farakan.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:11 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

Correct, and what does that have to do with the OP's opening line: So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
don't know if you can chalk it up to him becoming a bitter, senile old man but now I have as much respect for him as I do for Louis Farakan

Sounds more like Reagan to me.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:13 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
interesting to compare your source with CNN.

Yes, especially when CNN leaves out the statement from Rep. Donna Edwards (D-MD). "Interesting" indeed. I would hardly consider quoting a Democratic Congresswoman from the Black Caucus taking this stance a "Biased Source".

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

"Overwhelming majority" means "nearly everyone". He is saying that virtually all of the opposition is based of having a black president, and therefore nothing to do with his policies.

Yet we're the ones with the blinders. rotfl

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:14 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

"Overwhelming majority" means "nearly everyone". He is saying that virtually all of the opposition is based of having a black president, and therefore nothing to do with his policies.

You trying to tell us that no one is upset about the fact that we have a Black President?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
now I have as much respect for him as I do for Louis Farakan.

Surprised to hear you say that. I thought you'd love Louis Farakan. He is very conservative, very religious, opposes public education and his ideology is very much in line with yours.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:15 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
Correct, and what does that have to do with the OP's opening line: So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan.

Because if you've been paying attention and take off those blinders that you're supposedly accusing us of wearing, you'd know many of these protests that are being labeled as "racist" are centered around protesting Obama-Care, particularly the town hall meetings, those meetings where Nancy Pelosi compared those who showed up to Nazis.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:15 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
we're the ones with the blinders.

That would be correct. Carter said the way Obama is being treated is racist. Is that soooooo hard for you folks to grasp? I wish you righties would stop being so paranoid.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:16 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
You trying to tell us that no one is upset about the fact that we have a Black President?

'Fly are you trying to tell us that MOST people are? I don't think too many people have denied that are a few loonies who are upset at the fact that we have a black president, but many on the left (as usual) want to lump all of us in with them.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:18 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 11):
That would be correct. Carter said the way Obama is being treated is racist. Is that soooooo hard for you folks to grasp? I wish you righties would stop being so paranoid.

Pelosi and other Democrats call the President a liar. Not racist.

Joe Wilson calls the President a liar. Racist.

Would someone explain that to me?

NIKV69 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:20 pm

More proof that the left is falling apart. They thought as soon as Obama was inagurated everything would be great and they can't believe his approval rating is in the toilet and even their own won't vote for his stupidity in congress. I guess the Dems that oppose his health care bill are racist too Jimmy? This guy should keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he just makes things worse.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:20 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 13):
Pelosi and other Democrats call the President a liar. Not racist.

When did Pelosi call Obama a liar?

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:21 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 15):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 13):
Pelosi and other Democrats call the President a liar. Not racist.

When did Pelosi call Obama a liar?

Nice way to avoid the point. sarcastic

Pelosi and numerous other Democrats called Bush a liar numerous times. So I want to know why when a Congressman now calls the President a liar, it's racist.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:26 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):
Nice way to avoid the point.

Wasn't avoiding, just wanted to know what you were talking about.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):
Pelosi and numerous other Democrats called Bush a liar numerous times

Considering that they are all WHITE it is pretty hard to call them racists, isn't it. I think you should try again.

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:27 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 12):
'Fly are you trying to tell us that MOST people are?

How about simply answering my question? I asked a simple question. I don't know why you are asking me that question in the first place.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 12):
I don't think too many people have denied that are a few loonies who are upset at the fact that we have a black president

I'd like to get Dreadnought's opinion on this.

Bongodog1964 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:28 pm

Why shouldn't Jimmy Carter reach this conclusion. Many visitors to the US, would reach the opinion that despite claims to the contrary, racism is alive and thriving. It may be outlawed, but as an example just look in a typical restaurant, the servers are overwhelmingly white, and the people who come round after the diners have departed and clear the tables overwhelmingly are not.

As to all the suggestions that Obama is leading the US down the path of socialism, is he suggesting that you pool your wealth, is he announcing that he will "tax the rich until they squeal", is he nationalising industries, of course he isn't.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:28 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 17):

Considering that they are all WHITE it is pretty hard to call them racists, isn't it. I think you should try again.

All Democrats are white? Even the black ones?

Man and after seeing numerous lefties claim on here even that the Republicans are the party of only white people. Perhaps you should try again.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
How about simply answering my question?

It was already given "Fly. You even quoted it right below this question.

[Edited 2009-09-16 14:31:20]

HOMER71 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:43 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
This guy should keep his mouth shut. Every time he opens it he just makes things worse.

No he shouldn't, we love it when he talks...and writes books!

Sincerely,
the Palestinians

L410Turbolet · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:48 pm

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 21):
No he shouldn't, we love it when he talks...and writes books!

Sincerely,
the Palestinians

Stockholm Syndrome is a b*tch...

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:50 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
All Democrats are white? Even the black ones?

The "all' was refereing to the people you mentioned. Loose the little ROFL cause it just makes your cause look worse.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
Perhaps you should try again.

Not really, your initial thesis is flawed. Read the article again.

Dreadnought · Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:51 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
You trying to tell us that no one is upset about the fact that we have a Black President?

I suppose there might be a few. 1% maybe? I have no idea because I have never talked to anyone that has a problem with his race.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Surprised to hear you say that. I thought you'd love Louis Farakan. He is very conservative, very religious, opposes public education and his ideology is very much in line with yours.

Shows how much you understand what we stand for. I hope you are being facetious.

NIKV69 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:00 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
You trying to tell us that no one is upset about the fact that we have a Black President?

Larry give it a rest. The majority of the country not to mention some Dems don't want this health care bill and they are not racist so why are you asking such a ridiculous question?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):
Pelosi and numerous other Democrats called Bush a liar numerous times. So I want to know why when a Congressman now calls the President a liar, it's racist.

They booed him too, now all of a sudden we have to have votes and reprimands. Just screams elitism like a good Democrat.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 24):
I suppose there might be a few. 1% maybe? I have no idea because I have never talked to anyone that has a problem with his race

It is ok, Larry is trying to deflect attention away from the real problem the Dems have. Nobody wants their health care bill. Again their elistism just shines through as they can't possibly accept what is happening because nobody could possibly disagree with them can they?

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:01 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 23):
The "all' was refereing to the people you mentioned.

I just said "Pelosi and other Democrats", as the text in Reply 13 will show, never specifying who "other Democrats" referred to, and you proceeded to say they (which had to have referred to other Democrats) are ALL white. You said it, not me.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 23):
Not really, your initial thesis is flawed. Read the article again.

No it isn't. Joe Wilson said "You Lie" because he believes the President is lying. A Black Congresswoman said that as well, stating Wlison's outburst was not racially motivated, but directed at his policies.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:10 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
I just said "Pelosi and other Democrats", as the text in Reply 13 will show, never specifying who "other Democrats" referred to, and you proceeded to say they (which had to have referred to other Democrats) are ALL white. You said it, not me.

So, you still have made no point at all. Try again.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
No it isn't. Joe Wilson said "You Lie" because he believes the President is lying. A Black Congresswoman said that as well, stating Wlison's outburst was not racially motivated, but directed at his policies.

If you can't see the difference that is your issue.

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Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:13 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 24):
Shows how much you understand what we stand for.

What "we" are you talking about?
...and no I am not being facetious.
You'd be amazed at how much you would agree with him since you claim to be a conservative.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:14 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 27):
So, you still have made no point at all. Try again.

My main point has already been made in this thread. You just refuse to see it, I guess going on the logic "If I pretend not to see it, maybe it won't be there". But just because you don't like it or agree with it doesn't mean it's not there.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 27):
If you can't see the difference that is your issue

That's because there's no difference to see. Carter said Wilson's outburst was racially motivated while a Black Democratic Congresswoman did not (which I again point out, your CNN article did not add, but hey I wouldn't expect you or CNN to acknowledge it).

[Edited 2009-09-16 15:16:57]

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:18 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
My main point has already been made in this thread. You just refuse to see it

No, you said:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan.

And that is not repeat NOT what Carter said.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
Carter said Wilson's outburst was racially motivated

Which has nothing to do with your opening statment.

max550 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:19 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
I am glad to see that Obama is not following that path this time.

As am I. I don't agree with what Carter said about Wilson. I do think the right has less respect for the position of President than they have in the past, but I don't think it's right to blame it on racism. There are definitely racist elements, but to say that anyone opposing Obama's policies is racist is unfair to the people who have differences with Obama on policy.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

"Overwhelming majority" means "nearly everyone". He is saying that virtually all of the opposition is based of having a black president, and therefore nothing to do with his policies.

To be fair, an overwhelming portion is different from an overwhelming majority. I think an overwhelming portion would be more than would be expected, not a majority.
For example, earlier this year an overwhelming portion of the population got H1N1 virus. It doesn't mean nearly everyone got it, just that more people than expected got it.

L410Turbolet · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:20 pm

I think Carter is just getting senile and should be cut enough slack because of that.
BTW, I don't recall anyone screaming "racism" when Collin Powell or Condoleeza Rice were subjected to legitimate criticism over their role in the Iraq War.

MaverickM11 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:21 pm

So if I think Carter is a totally useless irrelevant person, does that make me ageist? Or Anti white? Or anti Georgian? Maureen Dowd said the same thing in her recent brainfart in the New York Times. Where would we be if we didn't have people exacerbating the racial divide, particularly when there's nothing there to begin with?

Obama disagrees with Carter anyway:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58F5NX20090916

As much as I disagree with Obama, compared to idiots like Dowd, Carter, the Black Caucus, Jackson, and others, he is a pillar when it comes to race relations. He's bigger than all of them combined.

[Edited 2009-09-16 15:24:46]

us330 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:23 pm

This is in the wake of Maureen Dowd's infamous column that ran in the Times on Sunday, extrapolating from the fact that Wilson is a member of the sons of Confederate Veterans, that his grounds for opposing Obama must be based on race, and because he and several others share that background, therefore, the entire opposition to Obama must be founded on racist principles.

As far as I'm concerned, the general belief that critics of Obama are racist is equivalent to the general belief that critics of Bush and Cheney were unpatriotic and unamerican.
Both are incredibly ignorant and stupid statements that stonewall any sort of debate over the issues.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:24 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 30):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
Carter said Wilson's outburst was racially motivated

Which has nothing to do with your opening statment.

Seeing as how Wilson's statement was directed at Obama's speech about Obamacare, it has everything to do with the opening statement, and Carter's statement was directed at Wilson for his outburst, it has everything to do with my opening statement.

MaverickM11 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:31 pm

Quoting Us330 (Reply 34):
This is in the wake of Maureen Dowd's infamous column that ran in the Times on Sunday, extrapolating from the fact

She wrote, and I quote "Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t.

But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!"

An editorial on what she imagined....that is a new low. Of course she'd call me anti-woman for criticizing her, but I don't hate her because she's a woman. It's because she's a succubus that represents everything awful with petty race/gender politics. And she wouldn't recognize a point if it hit her in her one-trick horse maw.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:31 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
You'd be amazed at how much you would agree with him since you claim to be a conservative.

Larry, which party do you side more with? Are you a registered Democrat or do you at least vote Democratic far more often than Republican?

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:37 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 37):
Larry, which party do you side more with? Are you a registered Democrat or do you at least vote Democratic far more often than Republican?

Not sure why you are asking or how it would help the discussion but I am a registered Democrat and I usually vote Democrat.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:39 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Not sure why you are asking or how it would help the discussion but I am a registered Democrat and I usually vote Democrat.

Well to use your logic, so is Sen. Robert "KKK" Byrd. Since you and he are both Democrats, I bet you find you and him have a lot in common.

Now, you want to cut the crap you're trying to pull with Dreadnought?

Yellowstone · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:43 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Bull. Carter said, from your own link "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

"Overwhelming majority" means "nearly everyone". He is saying that virtually all of the opposition is based of having a black president, and therefore nothing to do with his policies.

And "intensely demonstrated animosity" means the hatred being displayed towards Obama that goes far beyond usual responses to policy disagreements. He's not saying that all opposition to Obama is based on racism, only a particular class of opposition - the lunatic fringe that portrays Obama as fascist/communist/socialist, complains that Obama wants to destroy the country, thinks that Obama wants to kill their grandparents, etc.

Compare the debate surrounding Obama's health care reform plan to that surrounding the attempt at reform under Clinton. Obama's plan is no more liberal than Clinton's was, so why is the opposition so much more rabid? Why is so much of it personal attacks on Obama? If it's not the policy issues, what is it?

Race is a good place to start answering those questions.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
Carter said Wilson's outburst was racially motivated

When you consider that...
- no Republican official in recent memory has treated the president with such disrespect as to interrupt him with a personal attack in the middle of a speech
- Wilson was one of a handful of South Carolina legislators to vote to keep the Confederate flag flying over the state capitol
- Wilson worked as an aide to noted racist Strom Thurmond
- Wilson criticized Thurmond's illegitimate daughter (the one he had with his black maid) for smearing Thurmond's image, even after Thurmond's paternity was confirmed
- Wilson has spent most of his life in South Carolina, one of the most racially backwards states in the country
the idea that racism at least partly informed Wilson's outburst isn't that far-fetched. I'm not saying that Wilson only disagrees with the president due to his race, but discomfort with a black man in the presidency could have elevated an appropriate post-speech "I disagree with the president on issues x and y" to the immensely disrespectful "You lie!"

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:44 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 39):
Now, you want to cut the crap you're trying to pull with Dreadnought?

I am just asking a simple question. He should be man enough to at least do that.
No need for you to be so defensive and protective of him.
Dreadnought dragged Louis Farakkan in to this debate, not me or you.
If Dreadnought can't deal with it, he shouldn't dish it out in the first place.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
(I can't wait till the usual suspects get on here and somehow immediately discredit the quotes by Carter because the link is to Fox News).

That very comment in your thread starter is telling us that you are simply looking for a fight and had no intentions of a serious discussion in the first place. Now if this is your way of letting off some steam then knock yourself out.

dtwclipper · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:50 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 35):
Seeing as how Wilson's statement was directed at Obama's speech about Obamacare, it has everything to do with the opening statement, and Carter's statement was directed at Wilson for his outburst, it has everything to do with my opening statement.

I know that you are trying really hard to be logical, but you are not. You are infering something that Carter may or may not have implied. Come back with some hard facts.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 39):
so is Sen. Robert "KKK" Byrd. Since you and he are both Democrats, I bet you find you and him have a lot in common.

Yes, because Byrd has apologized and recanted his mistakes thousands of times over the years. A little research on your part might help. Yes, I am aware of Byrds other activities, so don't even bother bring them up, because they can be put to rest very quickly.

NIKV69 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:53 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 39):
Now, you want to cut the crap you're trying to pull with Dreadnought?

He can't. For it is all he has to explain why his savior is failing badly and will most likley go down in flames with this health care bill. He can't own up and admit that Obama has no idea what he is doing and only was elected because of the hatred of Bush, McCain and Rudy's poorly run campaigns and the CNN and MSNBC hate job laid on Palin. Once that was all gone and Obama has to actually do something he falls flat. Which is what we are seeing with the health care bill. He has made a decision to go down with Pelosi and it's a shame because he really has a chance to work together with the GOP and do some good but his elitism won't allow it. All of this is a huge shock to the DNC and Larry who thought all would support Obama and anything he wanted. Kind of stings huh Larry? We are not racist, we don't care he is black (even though he really isn't) and we are sick of this BS we have to endure from CNN, Donna Brazile, Rachel Maddow and the rest of the elitist fraternity. Get something done or get out already.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
If Dreadnought can't deal with it, he shouldn't dish it out in the first place.

Dreadnought wasn't the one to start dishing insults. He said his respect for Carter is now down there with Louis Farakkan and you began trying to link the twos ideology.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
That very comment in your thread starter is telling us that you are simply looking for a fight and had no intentions of a serious discussion in the first place. Now if this is your way of letting off some steam then knock yourself out.

That comment is because in nearly every thread where this a link to a story through Fox News, there's always someone who has to rip on it and try to discredit it simply because it's from Fox, and they immediately insult it ("Faux" News, and on and on and on) and insult anyone who watches Fox.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
I am just asking a simple question. He should be man enough to at least do that.

And I asked a question of you in the same manner that you were asking Dreadnought. And you took it, hook, line, and sinker. Sorry, you were caught.

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:58 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 42):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 39):
so is Sen. Robert "KKK" Byrd. Since you and he are both Democrats, I bet you find you and him have a lot in common.

Yes, because Byrd has apologized and recanted his mistakes thousands of times over the years. A little research on your part might help. Yes, I am aware of Byrds other activities, so don't even bother bring them up, because they can be put to rest very quickly.

Also, I have no idea what political party Louis Farakkan is affiliated with. Dreadnought dragged Farakkan in to the discussion and tried to lump him in with liberals who have nothing in common with his views. I simply pointed that out. Then Dreadnought runs away.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):
And "intensely demonstrated animosity" means the hatred being displayed towards Obama that goes far beyond usual responses to policy disagreements. He's not saying that all opposition to Obama is based on racism, only a particular class of opposition - the lunatic fringe that portrays Obama as fascist/communist/socialist, complains that Obama wants to destroy the country, thinks that Obama wants to kill their grandparents, etc.

Compare the debate surrounding Obama's health care reform plan to that surrounding the attempt at reform under Clinton. Obama's plan is no more liberal than Clinton's was, so why is the opposition so much more rabid? Why is so much of it personal attacks on Obama? If it's not the policy issues, what is it?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):
When you consider that...
- no Republican official in recent memory has treated the president with such disrespect as to interrupt him with a personal attack in the middle of a speech
- Wilson was one of a handful of South Carolina legislators to vote to keep the Confederate flag flying over the state capitol
- Wilson worked as an aide to noted racist Strom Thurmond
- Wilson criticized Thurmond's illegitimate daughter (the one he had with his black maid) for smearing Thurmond's image, even after Thurmond's paternity was confirmed
- Wilson has spent most of his life in South Carolina, one of the most racially backwards states in the country
the idea that racism at least partly informed Wilson's outburst isn't that far-fetched. I'm not saying that Wilson only disagrees with the president due to his race, but discomfort with a black man in the presidency could have elevated an appropriate post-speech "I disagree with the president on issues x and y" to the immensely disrespectful "You lie!"

Superfly · Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:59 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 44):
Dreadnought wasn't the one to start dishing insults.

Insults?
I just simply asked a question.

Aaron747 · Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:00 am

Just for the record, I'm going to be called guilty of ageism here for saying that President Carter has lost just about all touch with his sense of logic and reason. His comment is either a brainfart of the highest order, intentional idiocy, or both.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 19):
It may be outlawed, but as an example just look in a typical restaurant, the servers are overwhelmingly white, and the people who come round after the diners have departed and clear the tables overwhelmingly are not.

What is that supposed to mean? Why are all the taxi drivers at Heathrow Sikhs and Pakistanis?? The bussers are the lowest-paid positions in most restaurants and thus those jobs fall to those with either the least skills or illegitimate residency status. A one way street by most measures.

OA412 · Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:35 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
They thought as soon as Obama was inagurated everything would be great and they can't believe his approval rating is in the toilet

58% approval rating means that his approval rating is in the toilet? Really? 51% in favor of healthcare reform vs 46% against means that no one wants healthcare reform?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 43):
He can't own up and admit that Obama has no idea what he is doing and only was elected because of the hatred of Bush, McCain and Rudy's poorly run campaigns and the CNN and MSNBC hate job laid on Palin.

Nobody did anything to hurt Sarah Palin's image, she dug her own grave. She is bumbling, incompetent, grossly unqualified to be VP, etc., etc., etc.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 43):
We are not racist, we don't care he is black

Everyone can flame me all they want but I believe there is a shred of truth in what Carter is saying. There are many conservatives (note I did not say majority) whose criticism of Obama is indeed based on racism. Many of the anti-Obama emails that have been circulating are incredibly racist in their content. I am not saying that every single conservative is racist nor am I saying that all criticism of Obama and his policies is racist. However, there is a lot of criticism circulating out there that is extremely ignorant and incredibly racist.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 43):
(even though he really isn't)

Says who? You?

2707200X · Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:40 am

It's funny how Conservatives accuse liberals of race being and people in here accuse Superfly of beings similar to Sen. Byrd as if he was still a clansman and not repentant for what he's done.

The right wing argument in here has been childish, Carter did not imply that opposition to health-care reform meant that opponents are immediately racist. Weather if you like him or not he grew up and lived in the segregated South and he saying it as he saw it.

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