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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:04 am



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 49):
Carter did not imply that opposition to health-care reform meant that opponents are immediately racist.

Exactly. What Carter said was the because that the Congressman was disrespectful to Obama during a nationally televised event, he was racist.

That is practically just as bad.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:14 am

You know what, the fact that a lot of people are so mad about President Carter's remarks really says something. When Glenn Beck and numerous americans called Obama raicst, there was no outrage, but Carter says something which I believe a lot of it could be true, and all of a sudden it's... " No No No, our criticism is not racism NOoooooooooooooooo it's not racism, how dare Jimmy Carter say that, Jimmy Carter is a racist, I hate Carter. Obama is the racist, he called a white cop stupid" so on and so forth. The fact is, he's right. Especially about guns being at the healthcare meetings, senators getting up and yelling completely idiotic remarks and showing no respect whatsoever, then you have the right wing pundits on Faux News patting Wilson on the back saying "good job" you disrupted what he had to say. If anyone has a recording to what Glenn Beck or Limbaugh had to say about Carter's remarks, please post it, it should be pretty entertaining.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:26 am

Have no idea what Rush or Beck said. I don't listen to 'em. Waste of time.

That said...why can't I be upset at Carter? Just because someone said "He's lying" means he's a racist. How? How is it racist? I'd love to hear your explanation, because frankly...there's no way you can twist it.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:31 am



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 19):
but as an example just look in a typical restaurant, the servers are overwhelmingly white,

I have yet to see a table bussed at McDonalds.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
They booed him too, now all of a sudden we have to have votes and reprimands. Just screams elitism like a good Democrat.

The hyprocracy runs think in the democrats, someday they might be drawn to the light but for now they are firmly in the grasp of the dark side of the force.

Carter is a bitter one term wonder. He isn't worth listening to anymore. Hell about 10 years ago the Governer of the State of Alaska asked him to get the hell out of the territory because of his comments....and it wasn't Palin.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:34 am



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 49):
Carter did not imply that opposition to health-care reform meant that opponents are immediately racist.

Ecactly, though I think I said that in reply #3.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
This has nothing to do with support for Obama's health scheme, but rather the way he is being treated. That is what Carter said.

Nothing more.

 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:36 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 48):
There are many conservatives (note I did not say majority) whose criticism of Obama is indeed based on racism.

Which is exactly why so many conservatives bitched when George Bush appointed Colin Powell and Condi Rice to his cabinet. Oh wait, that's right, conservatives didn't bitch about that at all.  sarcastic 

But when it comes to criticizing the Obama Administration, the picture in Reply 1 says it all.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 51):
senators getting up and yelling completely idiotic remarks and showing no respect whatsoever

Someone inform Joe Wilson. He's been promoted to Senator.  silly 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):
Also, I have no idea what political party Louis Farakkan is affiliated with. Dreadnought dragged Farakkan in to the discussion and tried to lump him in with liberals who have nothing in common with his views.

Farakkan has been know to say idiotic things. That's what Dreadnought was linking to Carter. You are the one who tried to link political views at that point.




I'm just thankful it was a black President and not Bush who called Kanye West a "Jackass". I fear the uproar from the left and the black community if a white President had said that about a black person, even behind close doors.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:50 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
I'm just thankful it was a black President and not Bush who called Kanye West a "Jackass". I fear the uproar from the left and the black community if a white President had said that about a black person, even behind close doors.

Why? He acted like a complete jackass and admitting such makes no one a racist. Plenty of white people said so and I don't see anyone in an uproar over it. IMHO it trivializes real cases of racism when people argue that a white president calling Kanye West a jackass would be seen as racist by the left and the black community.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
Which is exactly why so many conservatives bitched when George Bush appointed Colin Powell and Condi Rice to his cabinet. Oh wait, that's right, conservatives didn't bitch about that at all.

But when it comes to criticizing the Obama Administration, the picture in Reply 1 says it all.

Re-read what I wrote. Did I say that every conservative is racist or that every conservative's criticism of Obama is racist? I made it very clear that neither is the case and neither does any rational Democrat practice what is written on that sign.

[Edited 2009-09-16 18:52:19]
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:14 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 56):
IMHO it trivializes real cases of racism when people argue that a white president calling Kanye West a jackass would be seen as racist by the left and the black community.

Therein lies the rub.

White people...or at least myself...sometimes feel we have to be careful what we say, because it could be taken by black people as racist. It shouldn't be this way, yet we have to "walk on egg shells" for fear of being labeled. Sad it has come to this, but frankly, people like Carter who say such things don't the help the situation.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:37 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 44):
He said his respect for Carter is now down there with Louis Farakkan and you began trying to link the twos ideology.

Sounds a lot like the people who try to link the ideology of Obama with that of Hitler. Point out a bunch of little similarities and pretty soon people will be convinced they both have the same intentions.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:44 am

I grew up a great admirer of President Carter, his character as a man, his service to the country, and while I did not think his was the best presidency, he did not conduct himself in an evil way.

This event has dashed my opinion of Mr. Carter grievously; I can only hope he recognizes the foul stench he has cast, and recants. I am praying for him to be thus guided.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:01 am

Jimmy Carter was did not say the broad opposition was based on race. He made a specific statement saying When you have certain people holding signs saying "ship him back to kenya" and comparing him to hitler, there is some racism there. The media will try to spin it but the extreme anger in some people over this.....can't be just because of reform for health care. This Interview on youtube explains what I'm trying to say very nicely...however Larry Elder is a tool....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2IIcLqvf7E
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:05 am



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):

When you consider that...
- no Republican official in recent memory has treated the president with such disrespect as to interrupt him with a personal attack in the middle of a speech
- Wilson was one of a handful of South Carolina legislators to vote to keep the Confederate flag flying over the state capitol
- Wilson worked as an aide to noted racist Strom Thurmond
- Wilson criticized Thurmond's illegitimate daughter (the one he had with his black maid) for smearing Thurmond's image, even after Thurmond's paternity was confirmed
- Wilson has spent most of his life in South Carolina, one of the most racially backwards states in the country
the idea that racism at least partly informed Wilson's outburst isn't that far-fetched. I'm not saying that Wilson only disagrees with the president due to his race, but discomfort with a black man in the presidency could have elevated an appropriate post-speech "I disagree with the president on issues x and y" to the immensely disrespectful "You lie!"

Exactly. President Carter spoke not about everyone but to only the extreme cases.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:24 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
Farakkan has been know to say idiotic things. That's what Dreadnought was linking to Carter. You are the one who tried to link political views at that point.

Once again, you need to let Dreadnought speak for himself.
Minister Louis Farakkan is very conservative when it comes to issues such as religion, abstinence, private schools, abortion, self-reliance and other issues dear to conservative causes. I hate it when those on the right label him a liberal .

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
I'm just thankful it was a black President and not Bush who called Kanye West a "Jackass". I fear the uproar from the left and the black community if a white President had said that about a black person, even behind close doors.

Even though most Blacks condemned Kanye West's actions?
Are you saying "the black community" all think the same and will defend a Black celebrity that did something really stupid?
That sounds a bit bigoted on your part.
Are you sure you feel this way or are you communicating for a deleted member?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
(I can't wait till the usual suspects get on here and somehow immediately discredit the quotes by Carter because the link is to Fox News).

So did you start this thread to debate the merits of Fox news?
This story isn't a Fox exclusive and there are various media outlets covering this.
What is your main point?
What were you hoping to achieve by starting this thread?

I'd also like to see if you can respond to Yellowstone's post. He made some really good points in this thread. Care to discuss those?
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:32 am



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 61):
Exactly. President Carter spoke not about everyone but to only the extreme cases.

 checkmark   checkmark  It's extremely unfortunate that some are making him out to be senile when all he did was state that some (not all) of the opposition to Obama is based on racism.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:47 am

To me, based on some observations of some people around me, there is a significant minority of people for whom their underlying racism is a major factor in their dislike of Pres. Obama. This is due to many factors, too many to go into here although well noted in other posts.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:35 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
Once again, you need to let Dreadnought speak for himself.
Minister Louis Farakkan is very conservative when it comes to issues such as religion, abstinence, private schools, abortion, self-reliance and other issues dear to conservative causes. I hate it when those on the right label him a liberal .

Forgive me for having a life...

'Fly, you know that Farakkan shares none of my values. I am not a racist, anti-semite, muslim seperatist, for starters, neither am I particularly religious, anti-abortion or pro-abstinance, I could go on citing differences but why should I need to? WTF are you thinking comparing me to that nut?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 63):
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 61):
Exactly. President Carter spoke not about everyone but to only the extreme cases.

It's extremely unfortunate that some are making him out to be senile when all he did was state that some (not all) of the opposition to Obama is based on racism

LOL, all these people desperately trying to rescue JC from himself...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American,"

What part of "overwhelming" do you not understand?

adjective 1. that overwhelms; overpowering: The temptation to despair may become overwhelming.
2. so great as to render resistance or opposition useless: an overwhelming majority.

I've never heard of an overwhelming minority.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 12):
I don't think too many people have denied that are a few loonies who are upset at the fact that we have a black president

I'd like to get Dreadnought's opinion on this.

I never said there is no racism.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 31):
To be fair, an overwhelming portion is different from an overwhelming majority. I think an overwhelming portion would be more than would be expected, not a majority.
For example, earlier this year an overwhelming portion of the population got H1N1 virus. It doesn't mean nearly everyone got it, just that more people than expected got it.

Man, you are reeeeeaaaly stretching the limits of the english language. Why can't you admit that Carter screwed up?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):
And "intensely demonstrated animosity" means the hatred being displayed towards Obama that goes far beyond usual responses to policy disagreements.

Perhaps because his policies go far beyond the usual policies. No other president has proposed policies that spend so much money and grow government involvement in our lives in a very long time.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:39 am



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 17):
Wasn't avoiding, just wanted to know what you were talking about.

Oh boy, you and SF are pushing it uphill with a pointy stick I fear.

Looks like a duck quacks like a duck, that used to mean it was a duck, but now apparently it is no longer a duck.

Glad I am out of here for a couple of weeks.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:48 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 65):
Man, you are reeeeeaaaly stretching the limits of the english language. Why can't you admit that Carter screwed up?

I did say he screwed up, maybe you missed that part. I don't even think I'm qualified to comment on Carter though since I was -4 when his Presidency ended.
I was just pointing out that an overwhelming majority and an overwhelming portion are two different things, would you disagree with that?
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:03 pm



Quoting OA412 (Reply 48):
58% approval rating means that his approval rating is in the toilet? Really? 51% in favor of healthcare reform vs 46% against means that no one wants healthcare reform?

Your a little behind there.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Also take into account what his rating was 6 months ago. He is dropping fast.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 48):
Nobody did anything to hurt Sarah Palin's image, she dug her own grave. She is bumbling, incompetent, grossly unqualified to be VP, etc., etc., etc.

Says who? Just because she doesn't talk like you do? Because she hunts and lives in Alaska? Here is a news flash buddy, she had more executive experience than Obama and more balls when it came to the middle east. CNN and the rest did slag her and they did it intentionally because she posed a huge problem to the Obama campaign.

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There are many conservatives (note I did not say majority) whose criticism of Obama is indeed based on racism. Many of the anti-Obama emails that have been circulating are incredibly racist in their content. I am not saying that every single conservative is racist nor am I saying that all criticism of Obama and his policies is racist. However, there is a lot of criticism circulating out there that is extremely ignorant and incredibly racist.

I agree there may be a few but to always try to play the race card every time something doesn't go Obama's way is getting a little old.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 48):
Says who? You?

No, years or genetics. Why may I ask is someone who has 50% black chromosomes and 50% white considered black? Do we just totally discount his mother to exploit the media image of the first black American president? It's a joke.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
Minister Louis Farakkan is very conservative when it comes to issues such as religion, abstinence, private schools, abortion, self-reliance and other issues dear to conservative causes

Did you leave out the fact he hates white people (especially Jews) on purpose?
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:21 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):
And "intensely demonstrated animosity" means the hatred being displayed towards Obama that goes far beyond usual responses to policy disagreements. He's not saying that all opposition to Obama is based on racism, only a particular class of opposition - the lunatic fringe that portrays Obama as fascist/communist/socialist, complains that Obama wants to destroy the country, thinks that Obama wants to kill their grandparents, etc.

I can understand and agree that some of the people who disagree with Obama are doing so for racial reasons--namely, those few that exist on the extremist end of the spectrum.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 40):
When you consider that...
- no Republican official in recent memory has treated the president with such disrespect as to interrupt him with a personal attack in the middle of a speech
- Wilson was one of a handful of South Carolina legislators to vote to keep the Confederate flag flying over the state capitol
- Wilson worked as an aide to noted racist Strom Thurmond
- Wilson criticized Thurmond's illegitimate daughter (the one he had with his black maid) for smearing Thurmond's image, even after Thurmond's paternity was confirmed
- Wilson has spent most of his life in South Carolina, one of the most racially backwards states in the country
the idea that racism at least partly informed Wilson's outburst isn't that far-fetched. I'm not saying that Wilson only disagrees with the president due to his race, but discomfort with a black man in the presidency could have elevated an appropriate post-speech "I disagree with the president on issues x and y" to the immensely disrespectful "You lie

I don't deny that either. What I do deny, and think is utter BS, is those that extrapolate from the fact that because one person who is openly critical and disrespectful of Obama might have racist reasons for doing so means that, therefore, everybody who opposes Obama must be racist.

Plenty of mainstream, moderate Americans have perfectly logical reasons for opposing the president.

Carter needs to fade out into the background. His presidency was a disaster, and every time he opens his mouth nowadays, he further tarnishes whatever legacy he has left.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:50 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 68):

No, years or genetics. Why may I ask is someone who has 50% black chromosomes and 50% white considered black? Do we just totally discount his mother to exploit the media image of the first black American president? It's a joke.

Yeah I was about to post that. Obama is half white. I don't what age old rule says one drop and your black or whatever, from a scientific point of view (should be our stance in 2009) Obama is half black and half white. If anything his presidency should help the bridge between the two races as both can have a claim. Big grin
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:14 pm



Quoting Us330 (Reply 69):
What I do deny, and think is utter BS, is those that extrapolate from the fact that because one person who is openly critical and disrespectful of Obama might have racist reasons for doing so means that, therefore, everybody who opposes Obama must be racist.

That's a strawman argument - I haven't seen a single public figure take that position.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:22 pm

Here's one example how we know the race card always has to come in to play, from right here in Non-Av about 2 and 1/2 years ago:

[url=https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/1571526'You Know You've Been in Iraq Too Long When[/url]

Funny, all I did there was post a picture that was making a joke at how long the US had been in Iraq, and then put a note at the bottom so that our international members might better understand the joke in the picture in the OP. (Carmenlue in Reply 4 seemed to understand that). Seems like one user was pretty quick to pull the race card over something that didn't have any racist intentions behind it.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 57):
White people...or at least myself...sometimes feel we have to be careful what we say, because it could be taken by black people as racist. It shouldn't be this way, yet we have to "walk on egg shells" for fear of being labeled. Sad it has come to this, but frankly, people like Carter who say such things don't the help the situation.

As evidenced in the thread I just linked.... For those on this thread who want their proof, its already in this thread, and it's linked above. And thats just one of many available examples. (Let's see if I can accurately predict the comebacks in my head here).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
What were you hoping to achieve by starting this thread?

A) To point out that Carter's an idiot
B) We're sick of everytime conservatives protest against Obama, that we're labeled as "racists" by the left, because they some how think by labeling us "racist", that we'll magically change our principles and switch sides.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
I hate it when those on the right label him a liberal

Did anyone on here label him a liberal? No. All Dreadnought did was compare one idiot who says stupid things to another by saying he has no respect for him.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 65):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
Once again, you need to let Dreadnought speak for himself.
Minister Louis Farakkan is very conservative when it comes to issues such as religion, abstinence, private schools, abortion, self-reliance and other issues dear to conservative causes. I hate it when those on the right label him a liberal .

Forgive me for having a life...

He does that in the thread I linked too. He posts in Reply 1, someone else posts in Reply 2, and then he posts in Reply 3, and then later says "I got no for after Reply 1 when I posted in Reply 3".
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 67):
I was just pointing out that an overwhelming majority and an overwhelming portion are two different things, would you disagree with that?

I would agree with that. But to be "overwhelming", it would have to be a majority. Like I said, I've never heard of an overwhelming minority.

So an overwhelming portion might be 60%. An overwhelming majority might be understood to be 95%

Either way, it's a majority. I repeat - I have never heard of an overwhelming minority.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 60):
"ship him back to kenya" and comparing him to hitler, there is some racism there.

People did the same thing with Bush--just replace "Kenya" with "Crawford".
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:27 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 74):
People did the same thing with Bush--just replace "Kenya" with "Crawford".

Discrimination against people hailing from flyover country! They must have been Texacist!
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:07 pm

At FDJ87...I clicked that link.

I have no words to say...because I'll be labeled.  Wink
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:08 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 73):
I would agree with that. But to be "overwhelming", it would have to be a majority. Like I said, I've never heard of an overwhelming minority.

So an overwhelming portion might be 60%. An overwhelming majority might be understood to be 95%

Either way, it's a majority. I repeat - I have never heard of an overwhelming minority.

Not necessarily, I already gave you one example of an overwhelming portion, I guess I'll give you some more.
In 2000, Firestone recalled tires because on overwhelming portion of them suffered tread seperation.
An overwhelming portion of my staff called off work today.
Neither one of those means a majority, just a much larger portion than would be expected.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:19 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 72):
A) To point out that Carter's an idiot

Let's get one thing straight here. You may not like Carter, his politics or even his looks, I'll give you that, but the man is no idiot. He is a brilliant man. For example, in his naval career, just to be considered for a position under Captain Hyman G. Rickover was an outstanding achievement. You really need to do some research before you make comments like that, it hurts your cause.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 72):
B) We're sick of everytime conservatives protest against
Obama, that we're labeled as "racists" by the left, because they some how think by labeling us "racist", that we'll magically change our principles and switch sides

That makes no sense what so ever. This is really something that the Right has cooked up. Only the right has said to disagree with policy is racist.

[Edited 2009-09-17 08:11:50]
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:22 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 78):
Let's get one thing straight here. You may not like Carter, his politics or even his looks, I'll give you that, but the man is no idiot. He is a brilliant man. For example, in his naval career, just to be considered for a position under Captain Hyman G. Rickover was an outstanding achievement. You really need to do some research before you make comments like that, it hurts your cause.

You're exactly right. Let's rephrase everything to: President Carter made an idiot of himself by making the comments in question.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:29 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 79):
President Carter made an idiot of himself by making the comments in question.

Carter has made some dumbass statements, that is true. However, I thing there is some truth behind what he said.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:45 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
I'm just thankful it was a black President and not Bush who called Kanye West a "Jackass". I fear the uproar from the left and the black community if a white President had said that about a black person, even behind close doors.

What uproar? Right there, you're playing the race card and you don't even know it. What about the uproar when Obama said a cambridge police office acted stupidly, then all of a sudden, millions of conservatives rushed to call him a racist, how come no one payed attention to that?

As I stated before, people hate to know that the race card is being played at all. I used to think that people hated when black people played the race card, but now I see that people want to completely ignore it whatsoever. I just don't understand why everyone is taking Carter's meaning of race way out of context. The man didn't say every criticism of Obama is direct racism, just a lot of the most extreme. For example, why is that a black man in this country had to be born in Kenya and not in Hawaii, when there is no proof that he was born in Kenya? Did people ask Bush to show his birth certificate before he nearly caused WW3? Of course not, there was no reason to ask him about it, not even a thought from one single American, but since our president is the son of an immigrant, then people feel as though he is not American.

We have millions of Americans calling Obama racist, because he said a cambridge Police Officer acted stupidly, which is his criticism. Yet, when right wing nut jobs call Obama Hitler, and Nazi, and "Barack the magic negro" (according to Rush Limabaugh), then it is just criticism right? When they bring their 12 gauge shotguns to Obama rallies, it's just criticism, right? When you have birthers holding signs saying "send him back to Kenya" and "we want our country back" it's also criticism as well, right? A lot of people hate to know that deep down in side, where they hide it, their criticism is just pure hatred.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:11 pm



Quoting Max550 (Reply 77):
Neither one of those means a majority, just a much larger portion than would be expected.

It also means you are prone to exagguration.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:43 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 74):
People did the same thing with Bush--just replace "Kenya" with "Crawford".

Bush lived in Crawford, at the time. Obama has never lived in Kenya. Big difference.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:47 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 83):
Bush lived in Crawford, at the time. Obama has never lived in Kenya. Big difference.

Oh huge difference Yeah sure. People don't even know where Obama is from, whether it's Hawaii, or Chicago, or Kenya, or Indonesia, and assume he's from any of them.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:09 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 81):
Yet, when right wing nut jobs call Obama Hitler, and Nazi, and "Barack the magic negro" (according to Rush Limabaugh),

Gee, another person who can't get their facts straight. Limbaugh quoted the LA Times as calling Barrack Obama the "Magic Negro". In fact, that's even in the parody song by Paul Shanklin that Limbaugh played. "Barrack the Magic Negro lives in D.C. The LA Times they called him that". Limbaugh is mocking the LA Times for using that phrase. Since it's obvious you don't consider the facts though, there's no point in reading anything further in your post.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 78):
That makes no sense what so ever. This is really something that the Right has cooked up. Only the right has said to disagree with policy is racist.

No that's exactly what Carter is saying now. Liberals are pulling a similar card to what was pulled under Bush. Anyone who opposed Bush was labeled "Anti-American" or "Communist" or whatever by some on the right. The left didn't like that, but now they label anyone opposed to Obama as "racist".

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 78):
Let's get one thing straight here. You may not like Carter, his politics or even his looks, I'll give you that, but the man is no idiot. He is a brilliant man. For example, in his naval career, just to be considered for a position under Captain Hyman G. Rickover was an outstanding achievement. You really need to do some research before you make comments like that, it hurts your cause.

Okay, Carter said idiotic things. That better for you? Now can you go back to addressing the main point?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 80):
However, I thing there is some truth behind what he said.

When you show me that the same number of conservatives had the same disrespect for Colin Powell and Condi Rice under Bush, and to the same extent, that they are showing for Obama, I will concede that the disrespect is based on race. Don't go and pull up one or two isolated cases either; I want numbers and quotes that the same disrespect towards Powell and Rice. But until then, you have NO argument, because the case remains, conservatives don't oppose Obama's policies because he's a black President; they oppsoe Obama's policies because he's a liberal President. The sooner you and other liberals get that through your head, the better.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:14 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 72):
B) We're sick of everytime conservatives protest against Obama, that we're labeled as "racists" by the left,

Actually that is not true.
Not every critic of the president has been labeled a racist.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:22 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 86):
Actually that is not true.
Not every critic of the president has been labeled a racist.


Are you saying you might have missed 2 or 3?

Name 'em.

[Edited 2009-09-17 10:22:46]
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:24 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 82):
It also means you are prone to exagguration.

What did I exaggerate, the fact that an adjective modifies a noun?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 85):
No that's exactly what Carter is saying now. Liberals are pulling a similar card to what was pulled under Bush. Anyone who opposed Bush was labeled "Anti-American" or "Communist" or whatever by some on the right. The left didn't like that, but now they label anyone opposed to Obama as "racist".

I haven't seen too many liberals labeling everyone opposed to Obama as racist. There are a few but most haven't said anything like that, including the WH. Many other liberals have pointed out that there are some racist elements involved in the opposition, but most don't say that everyone who opposes the President is a racist.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 81):
Right there, you're playing the race card and you don't even know it.

Well that pretty much sums up the issue. enough said ...
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 85):
I want numbers and quotes

And I want a pony. You're not going to get anywhere when you make demands.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 85):
When you show me that the same number of conservatives had the same disrespect for Colin Powell and Condi Rice under Bush, and to the same extent, that they are showing for Obama, I will concede that the disrespect is based on race. Don't go and pull up one or two isolated cases either; I want numbers and quotes that the same disrespect towards Powell and Rice. But until then, you have NO argument, because the case remains, conservatives don't oppose Obama's policies because he's a black President; they oppsoe Obama's policies because he's a liberal President. The sooner you and other liberals get that through your head, the better.

Please don't change the point of your post by trying to turn the tables. FlyDeltaJets87 said:
So one more Democrat is telling us that we're racist for not supporting Obama's healthcare plan.

Carter DID not say that nor imply it. You did.

I have made my point several times, and you choose not to see the difference.

This thread is not about Powell or Rice. Start one about them if you want, but this is not the place.


"The sooner you and other liberals get that through your head, the better" This type of immature name calling is not even worth the time it has taken me to reply.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:33 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):

And I want a pony. You're not going to get anywhere when you make demands.

Because you can't produce them. Exactly. Thanks for playing.    You want to make a point but don't want to produce the numbers or facts to back it up. Gee, I'm shocked. *sarcasm*   

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):
This thread is not about Powell or Rice. Start one about them if you want, but this is not the place.

You don't want the comparisons because it would discredit your position.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):
Carter DID not say that nor imply it. You did.

Carter did imply it, because he is clearly implying Joe Wilson's outburst was racially motivated, something that even a Black Democratic Congressman disagreed with.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):
I have made my point several times, and you choose not to see the difference.

You mean like how liberals can't see the difference between "criticism" and "racism"?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):
"The sooner you and other liberals get that through your head, the better" This type of immature name calling is not even worth the time it has taken me to reply.

That doesn't change the fact that it's true. The sooner you accept that conservatives oppose Obama's policies because he's a liberal President rather than because he's a black President, the better off these discussions about the real issues will be.

[Edited 2009-09-17 10:36:46]
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:54 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 90):
This type of immature name calling is not even worth the time it has taken me to reply.

 checkmark 

Still can't make heads or tails of what FlyDeltaJets87 is trying to get across.
My conclusion is that he just wants to let off steam.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:14 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 85):
Gee, another person who can't get their facts straight. Limbaugh quoted the LA Times as calling Barrack Obama the "Magic Negro".

LOL, do you ever realize when people don't want to be blamed for anything, they 'quote' someone else? I would like evidence to show that he quoted the LA times (then i'll move on). One thing i've come to realize is that you almost never believe these conservative pundits because ( my best Joe Wilson impression here) "THEY LIE". Just like Beck went on Faux news the other morning claiming that some University, which he doesn't remember the name of, claimed that there was1.7 million people at the 9/12 march, when every other news source as well as the D.C. police stated about 60-70,000. They quote sources without names, and make rediculous claims all the time. As for Carter, the man is perfectly entitled to his opinion, he's not the president anymore so i'm pretty sure he doesn't really care about the backlash.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:32 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
Former President Jimmy Carter drew widespread criticism Wednesday for saying that Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" outburst last week was "based on racism" and that an "overwhelming portion" of similar demonstrations against President Obama are rooted in bigotry.

What Jimmy Carter meant to say was that he was a really bad president and he never got that much criticism.  Smile

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 55):
I'm just thankful it was a black President and not Bush who called Kanye West a "Jackass".

This just in: Barack Obama hates black people.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:33 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Still can't make heads or tails of what FlyDeltaJets87 is trying to get across.

I think he's under the mistaken impression that, when we call out racism among Obama's opponents, we are calling all of Obama's opponents racist.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:34 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 93):
LOL, do you ever realize when people don't want to be blamed for anything, they 'quote' someone else?

I don't know what that has to do with you not getting the quote right, and wrongly attributing it to Limbaugh.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 93):
I would like evidence to show that he quoted the LA times (then i'll move on)

I already gave it to you. The evidence is in the Paul Shanklin song that he played on the air. I remember hearing it the first time live on the air too. "Barrack the magic negro, lives in D.C. The L.A. Times they called him that". If you read the lyrics for the song, you'll notice most, if not all, the lyrics are taken from tidbits of the article.

As for the L.A. Times article:
Barrack the Magic Negro - L.A. Times

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Still can't make heads or tails of what FlyDeltaJets87 is trying to get across.

What we're sick of is anytime conservatives oppose Obama's policies, they get labeled as racist by the left. Carter just confirmed it.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:01 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 71):
That's a strawman argument - I haven't seen a single public figure take that position.

I was referring to Maureen Dowd's column.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:08 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 96):
What we're sick of is anytime conservatives oppose Obama's policies, they get labeled as racist by the left. Carter just confirmed it.

That makes two then. Both sides are sick of it, yet they both continue to do it because that's what politics has become. I'd like to see the name calling and everything end but I don't see it happening until both sides stop.
I'd sympathize with you, but when there are people on "news" channels saying that Obama/liberals are socialist, Nazi, communist, fascist, or racist I have trouble sympathizing with the pain you must go through from being labeled.
 
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RE: Carter: Obama Criticism "Based On Racism"

Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:23 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 95):
I think he's under the mistaken impression that, when we call out racism among Obama's opponents, we are calling all of Obama's opponents racist.

Mistaken impression is very accurate. FlyDeltaJets87 conveniently ignores criticism of President Obama that isn't racist in any way. I've heard lots of constructive criticism against President Obama that was not racist in any way shape or form.
However, there is a very vocal minority that is racist in nature that is on the far-right.
Why FlyDeltaJets87 and like minds assumes that all Obama critics are racist is beyond me.
All I can say is, if the shoe fits, wear it.

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