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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:15 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 32):
Universities? You mean the people who earn PhDs without every setting foot in the real world?

Universities are not people. Universities are educational institutions. People do attend universities, however.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:27 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Liberal parts of the US tend to have the most elite Universities, highest paying jobs, most valuable real estate with lots of museums and culture.
Conservative parts of the country tend to be uneducated, fundamentalist Christian, low-wage earning, high teen-pregnancy, high-divorce and an overall embarrassment to our country.
Just pointing out a few facts.

True, but then how do you reconcile this with the fact that Republicans tend to be more pro-business and many (most?) of the leaders of large companies skew conservative while Democrats tend to be pro-labor, especially blue collar ("spreading the wealth") and are heavily influenced by unions. And many union members are the stereotypical conservative hillbillies.

So it would appear that the democrats are pretty dedicated to helping the very rednecks that they vilify, and Republicans work to help the enlightened liberal elite.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:49 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 51):
And many union members are the stereotypical conservative hillbillies

I would disagree. Hillbillys generaly live in areas without a lot of unions. There are a lot of minorites in unions too, especially the UAW, USW, and service employee unions. Here in Detroit, Milwaukee, Gary, and Cleveland there are many black auto and steel workers, as well as other industries. I don't think they consider themselves hillbillys. My union, the NEA, is full of leftists that are anti gun, anti hunting, anti capitalism, etc. There are few rednecks like me.

The term Hillbilly is thrown around a lot and is used as a negative stereotype by a lot of people to describe back woods people, especially southerners. If you look at labor union membership numbers you will find little of it in "hillbilly" country.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 51):
and Republicans work to help the enlightened liberal elite.

I think it is funny that the trust fund liberals are funded off of some family memeber who was a capitalist.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 43):
Man that's a scary thought.

Anyone who thinks that socialism is good for anywhere scares me!
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:03 pm



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 38):
For instance, anyone who's spent time on a college campus knows that earning a PhD doesn't automatically translate into "intelligence." I've met many PhD's that are incredibly proficient in their fields of study but absolutely backwards in every other way. I don't believe educational achievement is always (or even most of the time) a reliable indicator of intelligence.

But according to liberals who think they're more intelligent than everybody else, the only measure of one's intelligence level is whether or not they have a piece of paper on the wall, which probably shows they're not that intelligent at all. I'm sure they're quite intelligent in their field of study, but that's the limit of where their intelligence reaches. What they don't realize is that learning is something that goes far beyond the world of academia and the classroom. They can't see it. After spending tens of not hundreds of thousands of dollars to earn a college degree, they cannot see how someone who didn't is still "intelligent". They can't see how someone who worked on a farm or who drove a truck and who never went to college can be "intelligent", because they need to feel that their degrees elevate them above others. My 91 year old great-uncle never graduated high school, grew up on a farm in backwoods Arkansas. Was drafted into the military in World War II and was a mechanic for the Army Air Corps. One of the most intelligent people I've met, even if he doesn't even have a high school diploma, yet alone degree from the University of Wherever to show for it, yet if I went off the description Superfly has given, I'd think my great-uncle was an idiot and is from one of those embarrassing parts of the country. But the left thinks they're intelligent because they read books written by other leftists and then hold conversations with each other and talk about how "intelligent" the other is, and I guess it makes them feel smarter than everyone else.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
Chime back in when you're ready to discuss Glenn Beck.

You're the one who directed it off topic, as you were the one who first brought up what areas of the country are liberal and how prosperous they are, how these are the areas with the finest universities, etc, and how the conservative areas are an "embarrassment". I countered by pointing out the blue hell-holes on the map. If you didn't want to get off topic, you shouldn't have directed the conversation off topic.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 47):
You're really missing out dude. Lived in inner city San Francisco awhile back, heard shots and bumfights on many nights from my 14th story perch, but the proximity to any number of fantastic bars, breweries and eats was more than worth it. Not to mention the teeming population of single professional women and university students with a rather agreeable ratio of homosexual to heterosexual men (oh so excellent for those of us who prefer the ladies) - much better hunting than anywhere in those red zones to be sure!

Or I can just live in the red areas and take vacations the good spots in the generally blue areas than return home to my place in the red area. But I like the tax rates and the cost of living in the red areas.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):

You've made it clear in your posting history that you have a major distaste for Blacks.

No I have a distaste for blacks who are not productive members of society. I also have distaste for whites, Asians, Hispanics, etc who do not contribute positively to society. You, however, see most if not all of the South and any other red area on the map for that matter, as falling into that category.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Liberals tend to be readers which requires more brain cells than just listening to the radio. That is the reason why conservative talk show host do well in this arena. You just turn on the radio and let the conditioning began.

Other than the ability to read (which I'm sure you're convinced most conservatives from those "uneducated", "embarrassing" parts of the country don't know how to do), how does reading "George Bush is a moron" in a book versus listening to someone say "Barrack Obama is a moron" on the radio require anymore or less brain cells and how is it any more or less passive?

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 52):
Anyone who thinks that socialism is good for anywhere scares me!

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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 45):
An avowed conservative quoting Albert Einstein??

I was unaware of Einstein's economic leanings, but that doesn't mean that because I disagree with him on economics, I can't agree elsewhere.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:11 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 47):
You're really missing out dude. Lived in inner city San Francisco awhile back, heard shots and bumfights on many nights from my 14th story perch, but the proximity to any number of fantastic bars, breweries and eats was more than worth it. Not to mention the teeming population of single professional women and university students with a rather agreeable ratio of homosexual to heterosexual men (oh so excellent for those of us who prefer the ladies) - much better hunting than anywhere in those red zones to be sure!

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FlyDeltaJets87 was purposely singling out areas with a high Black population, not necessarily the most liberal area. Notice how he singled out Harlem instead of New York City, yet the other cities he mentioned he didn't single out specific neighborhoods.
True liberal cities that I was referring to was San Francisco, Cambridge MA, Madison WI, Santa Cruz, Santa Monica, Portland, Burlington, VT, etc. He ignored those. These places are for more liberal than the places FlyDeltaJets87 singled out.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 48):
Pardon me, but Fascism and Nazism are based on Statism - the state taking power over people's private lives and becoming highly integrated into corporate decision processes. Such activity by definition cannot be anything but leftist.

 redflag 
Total B.S.!
Don't fool yourself in to thinking that conservatives are about personal freedom. They are not. You conveniently left out the nationalist views and carrying out genocide based on race, ethnicity and disability. How come extreme right-wing groups support or are members of the Nazis?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 51):
True, but then how do you reconcile this with the fact that Republicans tend to be more pro-business and many (most?) of the leaders of large companies skew conservative

That demographic is becoming more and more Democratic. Lots of pro-business voters held their nose to vote for Kerry and Obama because they are uneasy with the paleocon and bible-thumping element that has dominance in the Republican party.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 52):
The term Hillbilly is thrown around a lot and is used as a negative stereotype by a lot of people to describe back woods people, especially southerners. If you look at labor union membership numbers you will find little of it in "hillbilly" country.

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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:50 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
Don't fool yourself in to thinking that conservatives are about personal freedom. They are not.

Freedom and the individual responsibility that goes with it. The complete opposite of a nanny-state. Or are you saying that a nanny-state promotes freedom?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
You conveniently left out the nationalist views and carrying out genocide based on race, ethnicity and disability.

You mean the progressive concepts of Eugenics? Sorry, your guys did that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
How come extreme right-wing groups support or are members of the Nazis?

Because you guys and the liberal press like to call it right wing does not make it so. The kooks on the extreme right are basically anarchists - they just want to be left alone and have no use for any government whatsoever. "Mountain men" some call them, or simply hillbillies.

Nazism is something completely different. That is massive control by the state over all aspects of the economy, even if private ownership is still tolerated. State control = socialism = leftism.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:06 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
Harlem instead of New York City

Interesting catch Superfly. Harlem is in the borrough of Manhattan, in New York County and therefore elections would be held borrough wide. I would say all of NYC is a den of liberalism not just Harlem. Big cities tend to be liberal because you have a large group of people that use things provided by the government, such as public transporation and city parks. In areas where you don't have those things you find a lot less people wanting more government. Where I live there is no bus service. It doesn't bother me if they cut it or not, but for somebody living in downtown Detroit they may not think that way. I like my tax dollars paying for things like public boat launches, but if I live in the middle of the city I probably don't own a boat so I could care less if the government spends a dime on boat launches.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
Don't fool yourself in to thinking that conservatives are about personal freedom

So are the the people on the far left. They always want to ban something.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
True liberal cities that I was referring to was San Francisco, Cambridge MA, Madison WI, Santa Cruz, Santa Monica, Portland, Burlington, VT, etc.

Don't forget Ann Arbor, MI.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 53):
how does reading "George Bush is a moron" in a book versus listening to someone say "Barrack Obama is a moron" on the radio require anymore or less brain cells and how is it any more or less passive?

I agree. The left is mad because we are knocking on Obama. Just a few years ago they were bashing on Bush and telling us how dumb he was. I can't tell you how many anti-Bush bumper stickers I saw on cars around here. I have seen VERY few bashing Obama. Also the lefties like to point out the extremists on the right. The left has plenty of extremists too. All those enviro-nuts and anti-free trade types are bad. I once asked a liberal friend why he though GWB was dumb. His answer was "because he is". If people thought that GWB was so awful why then are you so surprised that people think Obama is so awful? I now know how all you lefties felt living under Bush. You hated the guy and now I hate your guy!
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:20 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 55):
The complete opposite of a nanny-state. Or are you saying that a nanny-state promotes freedom?

I am no fan of the nanny-state. That is a very conservative ideal.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 55):
You mean the progressive concepts of Eugenics? Sorry, your guys did that.

Ummm, no, those were your guys. Along with the Holocaust.
Again, you conveniently leave that part or.
Are you a Holocaust denier?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 55):
Because you guys and the liberal press like to call it right wing does not make it so. The kooks on the extreme right are basically anarchists - they just want to be left alone and have no use for any government whatsoever. "Mountain men" some call them, or simply hillbillies.

I can understand why you don't want to claim these subhumans but they are on your side of the fence.
Even Fox News refer to these Nazi groups as right-wing.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jun...0/0,4670,MyNeighbortheNazi,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jul20/0,4670,AustriaSwastikas,00.html
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:33 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 52):
Hillbillys generaly live in areas without a lot of unions

Perhaps I tossed the term around too loosely, but I think my point remains that many of the blue collar people the Democrats generally work for are conservatives and, if Superfly is right (he does have a point) the Republicans are working largely on behalf of the smarter, more civilized liberal elite.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:55 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 57):
Ummm, no, those were your guys. Along with the Holocaust.
Again, you conveniently leave that part or.
Are you a Holocaust denier?

No, but you seem to be a denier of the fact that Nazi stands for National Socialism, and was based on state control - the antithesis of anything conservative.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 57):
I can understand why you don't want to claim these subhumans but they are on your side of the fence.
Even Fox News refer to these Nazi groups as right-wing.

They're just dumb journalists like the rest of 'em, what do you expect?
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:07 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 59):
No, but you seem to be a denier of the fact that Nazi stands for National Socialism, and was based on state control - the antithesis of anything conservative.

Adlof Hitler was an authoritarian that carried out extreme right-wing views through force. He was a mass murderer. You are the only person that call Nazis "liberal".
Just what I thought. You are a total holocaust denier. You have more in common with Louis Farakkan than I thought.
Your getting too caught up in semantics.

Care to discuss Glenn Beck?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 58):
the Democrats generally work for are conservatives

Very true but they are not going to vote for a Republican that would work against their economic intrest. Sure there are plenty of church-going Democrats that are anti-abortion and anti-gay but vote Democratic because they look out for their best interest economically.
Only stupid people support these so-called 'defense of marriage' and anti-abortion proposistions.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 56):
So are the the people on the far left. They always want to ban something.

Plenty of people on the right that want to ban something too.

[Edited 2009-09-24 14:08:09]
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:11 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
True liberal cities

How do you define "liberal"? Because my take on the political spectrum is that there are numerous branches on each side of the spectrum that go off in every direction. San Francisco is not the same type of liberal city that Detroit or Atlanta is. The same holds true on the conservative side of the spectrum. Areas of red in upstate New York are very different from the red areas in the South. But then again, I'm not shocked at all by you looping all of us together. You do it in just about every post and thread so I didn't expect anything different than now.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 56):
I once asked a liberal friend why he though GWB was dumb. His answer was "because he is"

Were you shocked by this response? I'm not. Now if all liberals were like the ones Superfly describes who are "intelligent" and back everything up with thought and reason, this answer would surprise me, but in my experience, that response is the norm rather than the exception for me too. Bush was an idiot to them because he has an R for "Republican" after his name.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:18 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Very true but they are not going to vote for a Republican that would work against their economic intrest.

I dunno, they really, really like their guns.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Only stupid people support these so-called 'defense of marriage'

Like me? Not to hijack the thread, but the problem is not whether or not a gay person can inherit money or property from their partner, or get on their insurance. It is a matter of the government controlling something that the church holds very dear. Almost like they are telling churches who can and cannot take communion. If religious charities can't receive federal money on the basis of separation of church and state, how is this not?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 61):
Bush was an idiot to them because he has an R for "Republican" after his name.

That is what people forget, the parties are NON-IDEOLOGICAL. Political parties are like record labels. They exist for the sole purpose of getting people elected and nothing more. Go find me 30 Democrats who agree on everything.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:25 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 61):
I'm not shocked at all by you looping all of us together.

I guess you didn't read the part in reply #27 where I said;
"Granted there are a small handful of intelligent conservatives but they aren't of the Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Plumber, Quayle variety."

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 61):
San Francisco is not the same type of liberal city that Detroit or Atlanta is.

Well duh, of course not!
Detroit and Atlanta still have lots of Baptist churches and people that hold strong religious views on abortion and gays. You think a same sex couple can safely walk down the streets of Detroit? Absolutely not.
Places like San Francisco is far more liberal than Detroit, Gary, Atlanta and the other places you singled out. Pastors, Reverends etc don't have influence here. We are a safe-haven for people who would be discriminated against in other parts of the country. Particularly gays, marijuana advocates, transgendered, artist, nudist, non-Christian religions just as an example.

[Edited 2009-09-24 14:43:40]

[Edited 2009-09-24 14:57:35]
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:29 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 62):
It is a matter of the government controlling something that the church holds very dear. Almost like they are telling churches who can and cannot take communion. If religious charities can't receive federal money on the basis of separation of church and state, how is this not?

Oh but churches still dictate when I can buy alcohol depending on what state I am in. As a drinker, buying alcohol is something that I hold very dear.  champagne 
Gay marriage does not force any church to do anything.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:34 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 64):
Oh but churches still dictate when I can buy alcohol depending on what state I am in. As a drinker, buying alcohol is something that I hold very dear.

Blue laws are dumb and outdated. No argument there.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 64):
Gay marriage does not force any church to do anything.

That isn't what they think. The church has a legit beef, if you can get past all of the psychos telling us that all gays are going straight to hell.

Perhaps the solution lies in separating the "earthly" sense of marriage from the religious aspect. Either way, it isn't something I spend a lot of time worrying about. It isn't my problem.

[Edited 2009-09-24 14:36:05]
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:35 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Only stupid people support these so-called 'defense of marriage' and anti-abortion proposistions.

Well this is all the proof we need to know you don't listen to anyone's arguments, despite your claims to the contrary, because while I agree with on you on gay marriage, I am for the most part, anti-abortion, which I guess is one more reason that I'm "stupid".

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
You are a total holocaust denier.

How does arguing about which side of the political spectrum the German Nazi's fell on make one a Holocaust denier?  confused 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 63):

I guess you didn't read teh part in reply #27 where I said;

What is "teh"?
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:37 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 63):
You think a same sex couple can safely walk down the streets of Detroit?

Nobody can walk safely down the streets of Detroit.  duck 
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:40 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Adlof Hitler was an authoritarian that carried out extreme right-wing views through force. He was a mass murderer. You are the only person that call Nazis "liberal".

I didn't call him a liberal. I called him a leftist.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Just what I thought. You are a total holocaust denier.

WTF are you talking about 'fly? Are you being like Carter & Co, "If you disagree with us, you're a racist"?

I've been to Auschwitz. I've been to Dachau and to Bergen-Belsen (what's left of it anyway - Anne Frank's symbolic gravestone is there though nobody knows exactly where her remains went). Why in the hell are you calling me a holocaust denier?

Moderators, please don't delete this. I want 'Fly to correct the record. You don't hurl something like Holocaust denier, racist, or child molester like a granade and walk away.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
Care to discuss Glenn Beck?

Heard his interview with Katie Couric? He said that he would have voted for Hillary if he could have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHqCNOhiYNg&feature=player_embedded
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:53 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 65):
Perhaps the solution lies in separating the "earthly" sense of marriage from the religious aspect. Either way, it isn't something I spend a lot of time worrying about. It isn't my problem.

Same here. I just brought it up to help educate FlyDeltaJets87 and the varying ideologies on the left.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 65):
The church has a legit beef, if you can get past all of the psychos telling us that all gays are going straight to hell.

I am a straight guy but I already know I am going straight to hell when I die so I have to defend all those who will be down in hell with me.  Smile

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 66):
How does arguing about which side of the political spectrum the German Nazi's fell on make one a Holocaust denier?

Something I've observed by Dreadnought for years going back to the days when he was Cfalk. Started long before this thread.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 67):
Nobody can walk safely down the streets of Detroit. duck

You got a point there.  yes 

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 68):
Are you being like Carter & Co, "If you disagree with us, you're a racist"?

What made you go off that cliff?
There plenty that I don't agree with that aren't racist. Hell even Carter didn't say that.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 68):
I've been to Auschwitz. I've been to Dachau and to Bergen-Belsen (what's left of it anyway - Anne Frank's symbolic gravestone is there though nobody knows exactly where her remains went). Why in the hell are you calling me a holocaust denier?

So?
Let me guess, you also have a black friend too, right?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 68):
You don't hurl something like Holocaust denier, racist, or child molester like a granade and walk away.

 rotfl 
I find that ironic considering you've walked away from so many related threads when you had opportunities to correct your record.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:53 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 63):
Detroit and Atlanta still has lots of Baptist

"Detroit and Atlanta has lots of Baptists" or "Detroit and Atlanta have lots of Baptists"? Was grammar not part of the curriculum at one of those "elite" universities you attended?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 68):
WTF are you talking about 'fly? Are you being like Carter & Co, "If you disagree with us, you're a racist"?

I think it's a sad, last ditch effort.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 67):
Nobody can walk safely down the streets of Detroit.

 rotfl 
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:56 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 70):
"elite" universities you attended?

I never attended an elite university and I am not that liberal.
So I am allowed to misspell a few words here in there.  Smile
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 70):

"Detroit and Atlanta has lots of Baptists" or "Detroit and Atlanta have lots of Baptists"? Was grammar not part of the curriculum at one of those "elite" universities you attended?

No no we're not going down the road of policing grammar and spelling are we? Both AGM and Seb won't be able to post anymore.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:01 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 69):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 65):
Perhaps the solution lies in separating the "earthly" sense of marriage from the religious aspect. Either way, it isn't something I spend a lot of time worrying about. It isn't my problem.

Same here. I just brought it up to help educate FlyDeltaJets87 and the varying ideologies on the left.

Even though I already support gay marriage so I don't know what your point is with this one, especially since I didn't bring up gay marriage in the first place.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 69):
Something I've observed by Dreadnought for years going back to the days when he was Cfalk. Started long before this thread.

The question remains unanswered. What is your basis for going from "The Nazi's are on the left/right side of the political spectrum" to "You're a holocaust denier"?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
So I am allowed to misspell a few words here in there.

No you are not. Not when you called out Dreadnought in another thread for misspelled words and used phrases like "Dude, you're on a roll" and "BTW, use the spell check feature too". Most of us could figure out that M is next to N on the keyboard, and so he probably hit the M instead of the N when typing out "Masty", as he spelled it by mistake.

Example 1

Example 2

     

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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:05 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 72):
No no we're not going down the road of policing grammar and spelling are we? Both AGM and Seb won't be able to post anymore.

Oh I'm just mocking one of the tactics Superfly used in another thread to Dreadnought. I can usually figure out what the typo meant to say and read over it. What I was pointing out was how Superfly used typos as a reason to knock someone's credibility, but then wants to come here and say "I'm allowed to misspell a few words" when he does the same thing.
 
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RE: Interesting Piece About Beck's Past History

Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:08 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 73):
I don't know what your point is with this one, especially since I didn't bring up gay marriage in the first place.

I just brought it up to help educate you of the varying ideologies on the left.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 73):
The question remains unanswered. What is your basis for going from "The Nazi's are on the left/right side of the political spectrum" to "You're a holocaust denier"?

It's blatantly false and disingenuous on Dreadnought's part.





Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 73):
No you are not. Not when you called out Dreadnought in another thread for misspelled words and used phrases like "Dude, you're on a roll". Most of us could figure out that M is next to N on the keyboard, and so he probably hit the M instead of the N when typing out "Masty", as he spelled it by mistake.

I sense something more sinister on his part.
No point in explaining THAT to you since you'll accuse me of taking the thread further off course.

Anything else about Glenn Beck?
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:11 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 74):
used typos as a reason to knock someone's credibility

I was not knocking Dreadnought's credibility. In my book, he doesn't have it to begin with.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:17 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
It's blatantly false and disingenuous on Dreadnought's part.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 69):
Something I've observed by Dreadnought for years going back to the days when he was Cfalk. Started long before this thread.

Here you go again. I used to like you 'fly. We disagreed on most things but seemed pretty cool. But I don't know what you are sniffing today because you are pulling some of the vilest crap I've ever seen on this forum over nearly 10 years.

Please explain to me how pointing out that nazis were on the left side of the socio-economic scale makes me a holocaust denier?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 76):
I was not knocking Dreadnought's credibility. In my book, he doesn't have it to begin with.

Jeez, man, what is wrong with you today?

[Edited 2009-09-24 15:18:23]
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:19 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):

I sense something more sinister on his part.
No point in explaining THAT to you since you'll accuse me of taking the thread further off course.

  
I was wondering what good excuse you'd come up with to explain your hypocrisy when you were caught.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
I just brought it up to help educate you of the varying ideologies on the left.

I already know there are differing ideologies on the left and right side of the spectrum. I am on a slightly different branch than my parents.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
It's blatantly false and disingenuous on Dreadnought's part.

Again, what does "the Nazi's are on the left/side of the spectrum" have to do with denying the holocaust? Can you quote Dreadnought as saying he denies the holocaust? Because that's the only way you're going to convince me on this one.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 76):
I was not knocking Dreadnought's credibility. In my book, he doesn't have it to begin with.

So why do you respond to his posts?

[Edited 2009-09-24 15:23:58]
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:27 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 77):
Please explain to me how pointing out that nazis were on the left side of the socio-economic scale makes me a holocaust denier?

To have the nerve and gall the claim Nazis are leftist is blatantly insulting to the victims of the holocaust and those who fought the Nazis. It is well documented that the Nazis are an extreme right-wing group. To sit up here and make up a lie like this is disingenuous and insulting.
You chose to embrace a right-wing ideology but refuse to accept the fact that the Nazis are on the extreme of your side. To claim they were a bunch of liberals/leftist is as bad as denying it existed in the first place.

[Edited 2009-09-24 15:50:16]

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Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:55 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 79):
It is well documented that the Nazis are an extreme right-wing group.
Look, you seem to buy into the popular definition of the right by stupid journalists. I say it is nonsense. I prefer the more logical approach. Oscar Johannsen wrote about it years ago and luckily I found a short extract:

http://www.cooperativeindividualism....nnsen-oscar_the-radical-right.html

On the extreme left, you have communism - the individual is completely subservient to the state. On the extreme right you have, essentially, anarchy, with no government, no welfare, no national defense. Absolute freedom, but nothing in terms of security beyond what you provide for yourself.

As you go from right to left, you have increasing government involvement, starting with the most basic of necessary services, like roads and defense, and as you go further you have elements of the welfare state, increased government regulation (eventually ownership) of enterprise. As you approach the far-left, you have less and less ability to decide things for yourself, and the state takes more and more care of you. At the extreme, zero freedom, but plenty of security.

So now you explain how a statist-heavy concept such as Nazism is considered "right".

And I am also waiting for an explanation of how my methodology concerning left/right (regardless whether you agree or not) means that I don't believe that somewhere around 15 million Jews, Poles, blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally handicapped, and several more other 'undesirable' groups were slaughtered in a Eugenicist frenzy some 65 years ago? I am interested in hearing that logic.

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Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:26 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 80):
somewhere around 15 million Jews, Poles, blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally handicapped, and several more other 'undesirable' groups were slaughtered

All of whom are vilified and despised by the far-right today.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:36 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 81):
All of whom are vilified and despised by the far-right today.

'Fly, you really need some help. Hatred just eats you up.
 
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:38 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 82):
'Fly, you really need some help. Hatred just eats you up.

Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle.  Yeah sure

The hatred is on your side of the aisle pal.
 
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:44 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 81):
All of whom are vilified and despised by the far-right today.

I don't know how the far right feels about the Poles, but I doubt even your your modern skin head has much of an issue with them.
 
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 84):
I don't know how the far right feels about the Poles, but I doubt even your your modern skin head has much of an issue with them.

True.
As far as the rest goes......
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 79):
You chose to embrace a right-wing ideology but refuse to accept the fact that the Nazis are on the extreme of your side.

And communists are the far end of the left spectrum, which falls under China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union, and let's point out that the USSR killed around 61 million people under its rule, with Stalin responsible for about 40 million of those. Do you accept that the communists are on the extreme end of your side of the spectrum? After all, a few of the platforms that liberals have are shared with those of the USSR! Fortunately, unlike Superfly, many of us on the right can differentiate between the communists in the Soviet Union and liberals here in the US.
 
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 87):

Do I have to call Jimmy Carter or are you guys going to stop picking on Detroit!

As long as you guys have the Lions, there will always be a reason to pick on Detroit.  silly 
 
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Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 86):
Do you accept that the communists are on the extreme end of your side of the spectrum?

Everyone knows that.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 86):
Fortunately, unlike Superfly, many of us on the right can differentiate between the communists in the Soviet Union and liberals here in the US.

When did I say you couldn't?
Stopping putting words in my mouth.
Gotta run.
I'll yell at you folks later.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:24 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 86):
And communists are the far end of the left spectrum, which falls under China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union, and let's point out that the USSR killed around 61 million people under its rule, with Stalin responsible for about 40 million of those.

You are grossly oversimplifying here and making a basic confusion between Socialism in an economic sense, and Socialism in a Political/Totalitarian sense.

If you separate out the Political and Economic axes, then the extremes are:

[Economic] -----------[Political] --------------[Example]
Socialism-------------- Socialism ----------- extreme communistic regimes
Socialism ------------- Democracy --------- european styles of government
Capitalism ------------ Socialism ----------- Chinese communism perhaps
Capitalism--------------Democracy --------- america

So one could rationally be leftist in an economic sense, but democratic politically. And while Socialism has had its warts, don't kid yourself that Capitalism doesn't have any, being quite happy to embrace slavery when it suited it, and cultivating needless consumption and gross wealth polarization which are very threatening to democratic systems.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:55 am

Anyone who believes that liberals are more intelligent than convervatives or conservatives are more intelligent than liberals is an idiot, and a liar, covering for their ideology's shortcomings.

It's a fact that people who are members of political parties or who follow a liberal or conservative ideology are sheep who are unable to think for themselves.

That's why Beck, Olbermann, and their ilk get ratings. They take advantage of stupid sheep. Same goes for Bush and Obama. They just play sheep against each other.

People who follow ideologies only look out for their party...not what's right for the country.

The fact is very simple:

Liberal = WRONG
Conservative = WRONG

Pragmatism = CORRECT

The sooner this country follows that and ditches the made up liberal vs conservative mantra, the sooner we'll be back on track.

"Common knowledge that A is smarter than B"? Sounds like someone who swallows party propaganda hook, line, and sinker. What he doesn't realize is that he's just as inferior and stupid as B simply for having such biased and assinine beliefs.

What makes universities special, Mr. fly, is not whether they are located in liberal or conservative parts of the country, but rather the make up of the students and faculty. Brilliant people who shun political parties...unlike yourself. You clearly have never been to many universities.

My university is located in a decidely "red" county. However it is one of the top engineering schools in the country. Unless you rule out engineering as a great discipline? And a lot of the student body comes from "red" areas.

"Red" vs "Blue"...labels made up by more militant members of political parties. Another bullshit method to divide for financial gain.

You've only displayed ignorance...a common trait of a liberal/conservative.

I'm sorry my friend that you've fallen into one of these two evil groups. I'm sure you had so much potential.

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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:10 am

Quoting Avent (Reply 90):
You are grossly oversimplifying here and making a basic confusion between Socialism in an economic sense, and Socialism in a Political/Totalitarian sense.

If you separate out the Political and Economic axes, then the extremes are:

I am already aware of this. Why don't you read the entire thread, and realize I was calling out the absurdity of Superfly's argument (which I notice you don't quote, despite him doing the same thing)? Since Superfly seems content on comparing the right with Nazism, fair is fair, and he cannot complain if anyone starts comparing the left with the former USSR.

Quoting Avent (Reply 90):

So one could rationally be leftist in an economic sense, but democratic politically.

Again, I'm fully aware of this. I am someone who is very conservative economically but more moderate on social issues. Those in the US who fall under economic conservative but socially liberal fall under the "Libertarian" branch of the spectrum. I'm border-line between conservative and libertarian.

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Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 92):
I am already aware of this. Why don't read the entire thread, and realize I was calling out the absurdity of Superfly's argument (which I notice you don't quote, despite him doing the same thing). Since Superfly seems content on comparing the right with Nazism, fair is fair, and he cannot complain if anyone starts comparing the left with the former USSR.

How about leaving me out if it since his question was directed at you?

Quoting Avent (Reply 90):
don't kid yourself that Capitalism doesn't have any, being quite happy to embrace slavery when it suited it, and cultivating needless consumption and gross wealth polarization which are very threatening to democratic systems.

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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:21 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 93):
How about leaving me out if it since his question was directed at you?

What question was in his post? Please quote the question that was in his post for me. Because I didn't see one.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:23 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 94):
What question was in his post?

Ok, comments that were directed at you.
Happy?
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:25 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 95):
Ok, comments that were directed at you.

Already did.  sarcastic 

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 92):
Again, I'm fully aware of this. I am someone who is very conservative economically but more moderate on social issues. Those in the US who fall under economic conservative but socially liberal fall under the "Libertarian" branch of the spectrum. I'm border-line between conservative and libertarian.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 95):
Happy?

No.
 
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Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 96):
No.

Can't help you there pal.  Sad
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:34 am

Ahhh, and another discussion that goes nowhere...

courtesty of liberals and conservatives.


Who are the bigger terrorists? Al Qaida whom our men and women in uniform are fighting in Afghanistan, or the Democrats and Republicans who use fear an intimidation about the "other side" to gain votes right here in the US?

The sooner we ditch these two groups, to sooner this country gets back on track.

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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:40 am



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 98):
The sooner we ditch these two groups, to sooner this country gets back on track.

Do you see an end to the amount of hatred on the extremes of the political spectrum?
I didn't see any of this until the 1990s and it has got worse recently. People like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the lot do not help political discourse.

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