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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:22 am

The IOC vote is expected to take place about 17:00 Copenhagen time on Friday with the winning city to be announced around 18:30.

President Obama is "monitoring the situation closely and if he can make it to Copenhagen to pitch for Chicago he'd be delighted says a White House advisor."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7034233
Michelle Obama is also travelling with the Chicago 2016 contingent.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:12 pm

There seems to be less competition this time around; I remember when the last time it was going to be announced, there was a lot of pro-London or pro-Paris supporters... at least in my school!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:03 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 51):
I hope Pres. Obama doesn't go. All he would be doing would be payback to the Chicago area Democratic Party politicans and giving more fuel for the Conservative's hate machine against him.

If he does go his main priority should be for getting the games, domestic politics should be left out of it, I think.

Quoting Elite (Reply 52):

Indeed. There's no clear favourite this time either. For 2012 it was Paris.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:26 am

Even though i love Chicago, i would hate to see the games come here. There are much better places. It would be a huge headache.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:34 am



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 50):
President Obama is "monitoring the situation closely and if he can make it to Copenhagen to pitch for Chicago he'd be delighted says a White House advisor."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7034233
Michelle Obama is also travelling with the Chicago 2016 contingent.

This seems to be more political than anything else. If that is the case then...  vomit 

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 52):
...domestic politics should be left out of it, I think.

I'll second that. The U.S. has held the games way too many times in both, Summer and Winter.

Give someone else the chance to host.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:48 pm

Danish police have confirmed that President Obama will be in Copenhagen to make a speech on behalf of Chicago 2016. It's going to be a very brief stay as well, they're expecting him to arrive friday morning and depart again at around 1-2 pm.

I suppose it will be THE Air Force 1 that will transport the President? In which case, I'll probably have to make it to CPH and catch either the arrival or the departure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8278655.stm
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:50 pm

The public safety situation in Rio in UNACCEPTABLE. My suggestion is that the Olympic Committee goes back to Rio and tells them Rio can host the Summer Olympics any year after crime statistics drop to normal levels - that is down about 75% from 2009 levels.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:01 pm

There has been a lot of talk here about rotating the games between different continents. So if we look at the last few games.
2000S Sydney
2002W Salt Lake City
2004S Athens
2006W Torino
2008S Beijing
2010W Vancouver
2012S London
2014W Sochi

So over this list of 8, both previous and future, the Olympics have been held 2 times in North America, 1 time in Australia, 1 time in Asia, and 4 times in Europe.

I cannot see how Madrid would possibly get them. I think they would make a great location for them, but because they are held in Europe so often, so I just see it happening.

I also don't see Chicago getting them. North America has had 2 Olympics out of the last 8, and with a much smaller population base than Asia, I just don't see them coming here.

Obviousely Rio has a great shot with South America never hosting the games, to be able to expose an entire continent better to the games.

I do think it will be Tokyo. Asia has a much larger population base than the other continents so they should be held there most often.

This is how much of the worlds population comes from each continent.
Asia 60%
Africa 14%
North America 8%
South America 6%
Europe 11%
Antarctica and Australia <1%
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:05 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 57):

This is how much of the worlds population comes from each continent.

I don't think percentages of the worlds population comes into play. Sure Asia has 60% of the worlds population, but of that 60%, how many can afford to watch / care / know about the Olympics? Probably not a lot. But for North America and Europe, that would be a different story.

So if it actually DOES come down to the "fan base" for the Olympics, I'm sure North America and Europe would the top 2; not Asia and Africa.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:13 pm

Tokyo or Rio... More exotic than the other two candidates in my opinion.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:22 pm



Quoting Continental (Reply 20):
I think the top two contenders are Chicago and Madrid.

From what I hear, the race is between Chicago and Rio. They are apparently tied for points on the judges' scorecard. The question is simply whether the judges believe North America should receive another Olympics before South America receives their first. Indications are that the games will go to Rio, but that could change very quickly.

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:36 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 57):
So over this list of 8, both previous and future, the Olympics have been held 2 times in North America, 1 time in Australia, 1 time in Asia, and 4 times in Europe.

If you want to do body counting to justify locating the Olympics, you cannot assume the Winter games and the Summer games are the same. For a large share of the world's population the Winter games pretty much do not exist. Given Sochi's geographic location, one can also claim it counts as half Europe, half Asia.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:12 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 57):

If you look at historically which countries got the Games from the beginning, you'll see that the U.S. (regardless of city...) has held them the most times (8) than any other country.

Sites of the modern day Summer Games:

1896 - Athens, Greece
1900 - Paris, France
1904 - St. Louis, Missouri, USA
1906 - Athens, Greece
1908 - London, England
1912 - Stockholm, Sweden
1916 - Canceled
1920 - Antwerp, Belgium
1924 - Paris, France
1928 - Amsterdam, Holland
1932 - Los Angeles, California, USA
1936 - Berlin, Germany
1940 - Canceled
1944 - Canceled
1948 - London, England
1952 - Helsinki, Finland
1956 - Melbourne, Australia
1960 - Rome, Italy
1964 - Tokyo, Japan
1968 - Mexico City, Mexico
1972 - Munich, Germany
1976 - Montreal, Quebec, Canada
1980 - Moscow, USSR
1984 - Los Angeles, California, USA
1988 - Seoul, South Korea
1992 - Barcelona, Spain
1996 - Atlanta, Georgia, USA
2000 - Sydney, Australia
2004 - Athens, Greece
2008 - Beijing, China
2012 - London, United Kingdom

Sites of the modern day Winter Games:

1924 - Chamonix, France
1928 - St. Moritz, Switzerland
1932 - Lake Placid, New York, USA
1936 - Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany
1940 - Canceled
1944 - Canceled
1948 - St. Moritz, Switzerland
1952 - Oslo, Norway
1956 - Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy
1960 - Squaw Valley, California, USA
1964 - Innsbruck, Austria
1968 - Grenoble, France
1972 - Sapporo, Japan
1976 - Innsbruck, Austria
1980 - Lake Placid, New York, USA
1984 - Sarajevo, Yugoslavia
1988 - Calgary, Alberta, Canada
1992 - Albertville, France
1994 - Lillehammer, Norway
1998 - Nagano, Japan
2002 - Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
2006 - Turin, Italy
2010 - Vancouver, Canada
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:17 pm

Give it to south america (Rio) who hasn't had the opportunity yet. Forget Chicago. Even though they could handle it, Atlanta was pretty messy and I don't think we're going to get it back for quite a few years to come.

They should really bring it back to LA for round 3. They showed the world how to REALLY run an olympic games  Big grin
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:29 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62):
1948 - London, England

This poses a real interesting question... with WW2 ending in 1945, how did London rebound so quickly to be able to host these games after being bombed in London during the war? That is an amazing feat to accomplish!
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:48 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62):

Yes, the US has hosted the most. However, in particular the 1984 Olympics, Los Angeles was the ONLY city to bid on the games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics

LA showed the world that the Olympics could be profitable and run well, and only after 1984 did it become this huge dog and pony show between cities.

Frankly, I think another thing the Olympics organizers look at is who (which corporations) pony up the money to support them (i.e. NBC, GE, etc.). NBC in particular is not that happy when they are held half the world away, and time zone differences make live television more difficult. I fully realize the Olympics are not held at NBC's whim, but it's been a while since the Summer Olympics were held in a Western Hemisphere timezone.

For that reason alone, I'd guess Chicago or Rio will win. Combine with the fact that Europe is hosting the 2012 Olympics, I have a difficult time believing Madrid will win 2016.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:55 pm



Quoting Travelin man (Reply 65):
NBC in particular is not that happy when they are held half the world away, and time zone differences make live television more difficult.

Isn't NBC's contract with the Olympic Games supposed to expire after the London Games? Can anyone confirm that?
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:31 pm



Quoting Texan (Reply 60):
From what I hear, the race is between Chicago and Rio. They are apparently tied for points on the judges' scorecard. The question is simply whether the judges believe North America should receive another Olympics before South America receives their first. Indications are that the games will go to Rio, but that could change very quickly.

Aha, interesting. Either way, it should be pretty cool!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:39 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 57):
This is how much of the worlds population comes from each continent.



Quoting Elite (Reply 58):
So if it actually DOES come down to the "fan base" for the Olympics, I'm sure North America and Europe would the top 2; not Asia and Africa.

While Asia and Africa have the population, do they provide the big television bucks? North America and Europe have bigger television markets with the bigger revenue.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 66):
Isn't NBC's contract with the Olympic Games supposed to expire after the London Games? Can anyone confirm that?

Yes, I believe NBC has TV rights till 2012 and that negotiations for beyond that have not been held. I just hope Fox Network does not land US rights!

While Chicago would be ideal for TV viewing, Rio is just a few time zones ahead of US television market.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 68):
While Chicago would be ideal for TV viewing, Rio is just a few time zones ahead of US television market.

Its beyond TV viewing. What country in the world purchases the most "crap"? Now imagine the amount of "Olympic Licensed crap" that can be sold in the US.

The base of crap-buyers is just staggering!
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:14 am

I would not like to see the games going to Madrid. Besides that it would be to close to London 2012, I think it is just not the right time, Spain is not in a good situation right now.

I am all for Chicago. Go Chicago 2016  

[Edited 2009-09-28 17:16:14]
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:27 am

I hope Rio gets it. Chicago is a dump of a town - I would not want to show it to the rest of the world.

My biggest worry is terrorism. You do of course realize how attractive a target it would be for the US to be struck while hosting the Olympics? Every terrorist cell in the world will be planning attacks for the next 6 years. Too much of a headache - let Rio deal with it.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:42 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 71):
My biggest worry is terrorism. You do of course realize how attractive a target it would be for the US to be struck while hosting the Olympics? Every terrorist cell in the world will be planning attacks for the next 6 years. Too much of a headache - let Rio deal with it.

Didn't happen in Salt Lake in 2002, although it did happen in 1996 in Atlanta (one bombing). However, Madrid and Tokyo, two of the top candidates, have been struck by major terror attacks in recent history. So I think this will be a non-issue.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:57 am

Go Tokyo!

In other news... Obama's like to waste US take payers money  Sad
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:56 pm



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 73):
Obama's like to waste US take payers money

Presumably Michelle Obama's trip will be paid for by the Chicago 2016 campaign, and she will be staying at the US Ambassador's residence north of Copenhagen while here, so no costs there.

As for President Obama, isn't the cost pretty much just that of flying Air Force One over to CPH and then back? And that money is well spent if Chicago win the 2016 bid.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:36 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 64):

This poses a real interesting question... with WW2 ending in 1945, how did London rebound so quickly to be able to host these games after being bombed in London during the war? That is an amazing feat to accomplish!

Before the war interrupted proceedings, London had been due to host the 1944 games. That might have had something to do with it, as might the fact that a lot of our European neighbours were in worse shape to host them.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:38 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 71):
I hope Rio gets it. Chicago is a dump of a town - I would not want to show it to the rest of the world.

My biggest worry is terrorism.

If you are worried about terrorism, you need to follow the news on Rio - fresh off the press:

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,...EACAR+CLIENTES+EM+RESTAURANTE.html

Thieves took a hold of a restaurant in Copacabana and threatened patrons with a grenade.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:19 pm



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 76):
Thieves took a hold of a restaurant in Copacabana and threatened patrons with a grenade.
What do you call that?

Being lazy. Try using wooden planks

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:21 pm



Quoting CPH-R" class=quote target=_blank>CPH-R (Reply 74):
As for President Obama, isn't the cost pretty much just that of flying Air Force One over to CPH and then back?

Are other bidding countries flying their heads of state as well or is it just Obama imitating his new friend Putin, who did the same to sway the vote for Sochi winter games?
I think you have to also include the publically undisclosed costs to "persuade" members of olympic committees from Nauru, Burkina Faso and Bhutan to vote for you.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 64):
, how did London rebound so quickly to be able to host these games after being bombed in London during the war?

My guess is that one of the most important factors was that Olympics of 1945 (pre-TV era remember) were a miniscule event compared with the Olympic megalomania of 2009.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:37 pm

With Pres. Obama going to CPH to talk to them it looks like he might have a chance and if Chicago gets them it will most likely happen only if Tokyo does not get voted out in the first round. If Rio gets voted out those votes will go to Madrid but if Madrid gets voted out I can see the European vote going to CHI. The major swing vote here is Africa and with Pres. Obama going to looks like that he might be able to persuade the African vote enough to hold Chicago in long enough to get it to a final round of voting where they will win.
Here is my prediction on how it will play out
First Round: Tokyo out
Second Round: Madrid Out
Third Final Round will be tight between Chicago and Rio but it is looking like it Chicago can hold on that long they will get it.

Quoting CPH-R" class=quote target=_blank>CPH-R (Reply 74):
As for President Obama, isn't the cost pretty much just that of flying Air Force One over to CPH and then back? And that money is well spent if Chicago win the 2016 bid.

If you want it just submit a Freedom of Information Act Request, I know that it is out there somewhere on the hour by hour cost of flying AF1, but if Chicago gets it the US will get enough money put into the economy to cover the cost of the trip

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 78):
Are other bidding countries flying their heads of state as well or is it just Obama imitating his new friend Putin, who did the same to sway the vote for Sochi winter games?

The Brazilian and Spanish head of states are flying in nothing heard from Tokyo if the PM will head to CPH.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:20 pm



Quoting N104UA (Reply 79):
The major swing vote here is Africa and with Pres. Obama going to looks like that he might be able to persuade the African vote enough to hold Chicago in long enough to get it to a final round of voting where they will win.

Good point. I guess it's easy enough to convince Africa that voting for Chicago would be just like voting for one of their own - Chicago politics is very similar to African politics  Wink
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:02 pm



Quoting N104UA (Reply 79):
nothing heard from Tokyo if the PM will head to CPH.

Gamesbid.com is reporting that the new PM of Japan will be in Copenhagen based on 2016 Bid Cities Pump Up Their Bids.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 78):
or is it just Obama imitating his new friend Putin

Putin imitated Tony Blair when he went to Singapore during the 2012 vote.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:05 pm

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 81):
Gamesbid.com is reporting that the new PM of Japan will be in Copenhagen based on 2016 Bid Cities Pump Up Their Bids.

Yeah, according to todays papers, the list will be:
Chicago: President & First Lady Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Morten Andersen (former NFL kicker from Denmark).
Tokyo: Prince Naruhito (isn't he Crown Prince?) & Prime Minister Hatoyama
Rio: President Lula
Madrid: King Juan Carlos I & Queen Sofía of Spain (incidently, former Princess of Denmark)

Not the full list obviously, just whoever the paper decided was worthy of mention  Wink

[Edited 2009-09-29 10:07:46]
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 77):
Being lazy. Try using wooden planks

Sincerely,
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Have you heard of BOPE? They put these little kiddie gangs to shame. And they work for the State.

Depending on the source the murder rate of Rio is about 3 to 4 times that of Chicago. And Chicago's suburbs are placid places compared to Chicago, while Rio's suburbs are much more violent than Rio itself.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 82):
Queen Sofía of Spain (incidently, former Princess of Denmark)

This will hold a lot of clout but I doubt that many countries in Europe will even vote for MAD because of the 2012 Olympics in London

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 80):
Chicago politics is very similar to African politics

Kind of but not really

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 82):
President & First Lady Obama, Oprah Winfrey

These three will guarantee the African Vote, once MAD is taken out I think that most of Europe will vote for CHI then, but if RIO goes out first then that vote could go the MAD and knock out Tokyo, either way I see Chicago making it to final round of voting then it will be close with whomever they are up against
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:17 pm

If Obama took the AF1 to the Olympic Committee meetings, then that would be a waste of taxpayer money to do that. I would be enraged!

IMO, Obama has no business being there, unless he really had official business with politicans in that area that has nothing to do with the Olympic bids.

But that's just me....
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 85):
If Obama took the AF1 to the Olympic Committee meetings, then that would be a waste of taxpayer money to do that. I would be enraged!

Even if it might bring a lot of extra tourists and media exposure (and thus: $$$) to Chicago?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 85):
IMO, Obama has no business being there, unless he really had official business with politicans in that area that has nothing to do with the Olympic bids.

He can always say that he wanted to meet up with our PM. After all, Copenhagen is hosting COP15 climate conference in December.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:10 pm

My guess: It's either Chicago or Tokyo, with a tendency to Japan! Brazil is already hosting the FIFA world cup in 2014 though I don't know if that really plays a role in the voting. Madrid would be the second city on the European continent in a row to host the Olympic Games (after London in 2012).
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:14 pm



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 38):
That's exactly why Chicago 2016 chose Washington Park (and other disadvantaged neighbourhoods) for Olympic venues - to improve the reputation and the infrastructure of these areas and invest in them.

Yea sure. Raise the property value of the areas and force our the poorer residents. Its called Gentrification and Daley has been doing a lot of that for the last 5 years.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 85):

IMO, Obama has no business being there, unless he really had official business with politicans in that area that has nothing to do with the Olympic bids.

Explain your logic knowing full well the other countries Heads of States, including Royal Families will also be in attendance.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:25 pm

Romney on the trip of the President. I want RIO to win I really do for the simple fact that it was never heard in South America. However if every other head of state will be there then ours should also!


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/...obama.olympics.politics/index.html

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On Monday, former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told the Washington Times that Obama's personal appearance is "likely to ensure the city lands the games."

"I think his presence makes it almost certain that Chicago will win the bid," he added.

Romney is no stranger to Olympic negotiations. In 2002, Romney was in charge of the Salt Lake City, Utah, Winter Olympics.

Romney said he believes that while the president may risk some political capital, the trip is in the country's best interest.

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:58 pm



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 88):
Explain your logic knowing full well the other countries Heads of States

Sure! I just think it is not a good idea for politicians to get involved with Olympics stuff, it is just bad juju, IMO. It is much better if the politics were left out of it all, period. With the U.S. hosting the Olympics 8 times already, I think it is time for someone else to have the chance to be able to host them.

Using your position, in Obama's case, makes you look silly....its hard for me to explain how I feel about it. All I can say is just leave politics out of it, period. Unfortunately, that isn't gonna happen.

If Chicago does not land the 2016 Games, then Obama can pay for the costs of transporting himself and the use of SAM29000/AF1 to the meeting instead of the U.S. taxpayers paying for it. The trip is/was unnecessary and had nothing to do with foreign relations.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:10 pm



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 87):
Brazil is already hosting the FIFA world cup in 2014 though I don't know if that really plays a role in the voting.

Don't think so. It's not unheard of:
Mexico City 1968 Olympics -> Mexico 1970 World Cup
Munch 1972 Olympics -> Germany 1974 World Cup
US 1994 World Cup -> Atlanta 1996 Olympics
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:16 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 90):
Using your position, in Obama's case, makes you look silly....its hard for me to explain how I feel about it. All I can say is just leave politics out of it, period. Unfortunately, that isn't gonna happen.

I understand your point of view.. it does seem a tad unprofessional in some way for a president/head of state to do stuff like that I think. This time i'm not complaining though. I wasn't here when Clinton and Bush were in Denmark.. this time I'll get a chance to spot AF1.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:28 pm

My first choice would be Rio. As it has been pointed out, the Games have never been held on the continent and I would like to see this part of the world get a chance. Failing that, Tokyo. Its position as a city of global importance cannot be understated.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:32 pm

I think Madrid deserves it. Rio would be my first choice but Brazil is hosting the 2014 WC, Chicago .. IMHO the US hosted the 1994 WC and the 1996 Olympics ... allow some for the rest  Wink
Tokyo is ok, but they already hosted an Olympic game in the past.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:38 pm

When is that final decision supposed to take place again, now that the votes were tallied?
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 95):
When is that final decision supposed to take place again, now that the votes were tallied?

02Oct. No votes have been tallied yet since the vote doesn't actually happen until after all the presentations are done. Most likely the vote will be streamed online like was done for when London won 2012 and when Sochi won for 2014.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:43 pm



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 96):

Ah, thank you for that info.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:13 pm



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 68):
I just hope Fox Network does not land US rights!

It will probably be ESPN--even though I actually liked NBC's coverage, and thought they did a good job by using the Universal family of networks to ensure lots of live coverage. Given how populated ESPN's airwaves are, I can't imagine the same level of attention could be given to the Olympics (although, to be fair, both the Winter and Summer games occur in relative "dead zones" for U.S. sports--mid-february (if in the northern hemisphere) when both college and the nfl seasons are over, baseball hasn't started--and august, when it's just the MLB, some golf and tennis tournaments, and NFL training camp).

Quoting CPH-R" class=quote target=_blank>CPH-R (Reply 74):
Presumably Michelle Obama's trip will be paid for by the Chicago 2016 campaign, and she will be staying at the US Ambassador's residence north of Copenhagen while here, so no costs there.

As for President Obama, isn't the cost pretty much just that of flying Air Force One over to CPH and then back? And that money is well spent if Chicago win the 2016 bid.

Let's also not forget the massive amount of security detail POTUS and even the first lady require. This hardly a free-ride for the taxpayers.
I've read that the estimated cost of operating AF1 and a one day presidential visit is around one million dollars per day (which I guess is chump change given the bailout).

Quoting CPH-R" class=quote target=_blank>CPH-R (Reply 86):
Even if it might bring a lot of extra tourists and media exposure (and thus: $$$) to Chicago?

That stuff doesn't necessarily mean profits, depending on how much it costs Chicago to run the games. Look at Montreal--they only recently repaid their debt for the '76 games.

IMHO, Obama has no business going over there--to me, it smells of favoritism and loyalty to his friends back home rather than being in the national interest, especially when we have a ton of other problems that need to be solved. If the first lady wants to go, that's fine--she's not an elected official and has no official duties to the country.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:18 pm



Quoting Us330 (Reply 98):
I've read that the estimated cost of operating AF1 and a one day presidential visit is around one million dollars per day (which I guess is chump change given the bailout).

But we, U.S. taxpayers, are still footing that bill, no matter what. $1M could have been used for infrastructure on our nations freeway repairs. That's why I think the trip was pointless!
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