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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:04 am



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 148):
Yes i agree with you, but as i mentioned, it's a chance to do something together with the basic needs in order to create mass for a general improvement.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 148):
among the four bids, the one that would got more legacy.

unfortunately that translates to "execution risk". and the IOC doesn't like cities to build white elephants either.

as great as what you describe sounds. it might be the biggest negative the Rio bid has
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:44 am



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 148):
Yes i agree with you, but as i mentioned, it's a chance to do something together with the basic needs in order to create mass for a general improvement

True, but IMHO authorities should do their best in order to improve everything we've mentioned without needing an Olympic game as a reason. If Rio doesn't win tomorrow, I would love to see all the plans made still go through, and not allow all this to be forgotten just because the olympics will go somewhere else.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 148):
Yes, but it includes improvements that otherwise would happen only in 10-15 years

again, if they can make these improvements because of the olympics, then they can do them even if they don't get to be the hosting city  Smile
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:00 am



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 150):
unfortunately that translates to "execution risk". and the IOC doesn't like cities to build white elephants either.

Yes, but that's why PanAm games history justifies and show Brazil and Rio can do that without buiding such white elephants.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 151):
True, but IMHO authorities should do their best in order to improve everything we've mentioned without needing an Olympic game as a reason. If Rio doesn't win tomorrow, I would love to see all the plans made still go through, and not allow all this to be forgotten just because the olympics will go somewhere else.

Me too !  Smile
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:53 am

MSNBC is showing Chicago's bid live right now if you are awake
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:45 am

I wonder if President Obama"s push will make Chicago the winner just the same as Tony Blair's push in Singapore made London the winner for 2012 leaving Paris way behind.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:00 am

Please please please let it be Rio , or if not Rio , please please please let it be Tokyo .

The US and Spain have both held the games recently and it is far too soon for either country to have them again . Frankly I think they should both have been excluded from bidding again so quickly . Why does the IOC not have any sort of rules requiring a 'time out' period after a successful bid before a repeat bid can be made ?
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:05 am

Here is an excerpt of the last message that President Obama delivered to the IOC to try to convince them to get the 2016 Olympic bid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0tKiYD6f0&feature=player_embedded

I'm hoping that Chicago does get it!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:34 am

To me a much deeper range of issues as to the Olympics must be dealt with. They have become political tools of the coutntries that choose to sponser them, to play out their 'greatness' and superiority to the world. You have the overt Nationalism of teams based on their country and that of the hosting country. There is the huge amount of corruption and bribery in the host countries as to the construction of sites and related facilities. There is the huge amount of cheating as to using performance enhancing drugs or playing around with official documents to say a 14 year old is 16. Far too many competitors in the Olympics are not 'world class' and while ideal to include them, really doesn't enhance the real competition. Political correctness means too many events even with very few competitors or countries involved such as women's sports or ones to take care of certain key countries needed to vote on the IOC. You have the disclocation of many people to create the new facilities and for security reasons during the games. Gross commercialism, too many commercials to pay for them on TV coverage, especially in the USA, horrible coverage here in the USA also needs to be dealt with.
To me, we need to scale down the games. Fewer competitors, fewer countries involved, limiting the Nationalism or dividing competitors by country and lower payments from broadcasters, especially from the USA.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:04 pm

My feeling is that the choice will be poliitical.
Tony Blair pushed London and they won over Paris when only the Mayor was in Singapore.
Barack Obama is pushing Chicago and just because of this I would not be surprised that they win the bid. Prince Albert of Monaco is a member of the CIO. I wonder who he will vote for?  Confused He is half-American himself from his mother Grace Kelly. Maybe he will choose the US.
I would prefer to see RJ being chosen as they never got a chance before. It is such a superb city, not many cities so beautiful around the world! I wonder if Brazil can afford the Olympics?
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:06 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 157):
To me, we need to scale down the games. Fewer competitors, fewer countries involved,

Then what difference would it have from just other normal sporting events? The Olympics is known for its size; the number of countries involved and the number of competitions are the reason why Olympics are the Olympics. That's like limiting the FIFA World Cup - you are taking away its uniqueness.

Nationalism is the point of the Olympics - you can to support your country. At least being nationalistic when regarding to sports is better than other fields, I suppose?

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 157):
There is the huge amount of corruption and bribery in the host countries as to the construction of sites and related facilities. There is the huge amount of cheating as to using performance enhancing drugs or playing around with official documents to say a 14 year old is 16.

Corruption is being dealt with, but I don't think this is something unique to the Olympics, or only happens during the Olympics. Cheating and performance enhancing drugs - the crackdown is getting stricter and stricter... especially top performers like Michael Phelps.

Regarding the age, it is hard to determine that, and I will leave that up to the IOC and their officials, as I suppose they have the resources necessary to conduct such investigations. But this reason alone shouldn't be a reason to "scale down" the Olympics.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:07 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 158):

If it is political, then perhaps it will be towards Madrid: The predecessor President of the IOC is Spanish, and 40% of the IOC voting bloc is European. There is only one European city competing, unlike for 2012 when there were four. If people vote politically, Madrid would be to gain.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:13 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 157):
To me, we need to scale down the games. Fewer competitors, fewer countries involved,

We'll have to disagree on that. That's the beauty of the olympics; to have representatives from everywhere, even if it's one or two athletes. And the other thing is that suddenly, for one month, the whole world is interested in sports that normally don't get any media attention whatsoever. It's more than the swimming or the 100m competitions, there are so many sports and so much enthusiasm around them that taking them away would be terrible, especially for those competitiors, mostly amateurs, that have that unique oportunity to participate in such an event.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:53 pm

The voting is about to begin. It can be followed live here:

http://www.olympic.org/en/content/Ol...ties/Elections-for-the-2016-Games/
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:56 pm



Quoting AirCatalonia (Reply 162):
The voting is about to begin

I wish I was awake for Chicago's, Tokyo's, and Rio's presentation. I just caught Madrid's and it was nice, but cannot compare it with the rest. Right now it's the final report of the IOC Evaluation Committee being broadcasted.
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:44 pm



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 163):
Quoting AirCatalonia (Reply 162):
The voting is about to begin

I wish I was awake for Chicago's, Tokyo's, and Rio's presentation. I just caught Madrid's and it was nice, but cannot compare it with the rest. Right now it's the final report of the IOC Evaluation Committee being broadcasted.

Lucky for you, i'm in Australia, and have decided to stay up to watch the announcement. First time to do so. Hoping for Rio or Tokyo!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:01 pm

Now just 10mins till the voting begins! Who will be the first voted off the island?  eek 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:07 pm



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 165):
Now just 10mins till the voting begins! Who will be the first voted off the island? eek

I'm going to call it now - Tokyo.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:25 pm

Chicago out. Didn't expect that.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:25 pm

Chicago out on the 1st round! Very surprising.

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:27 pm

Thank you Chicago!



My final 2 are now ... Rio and Madrid
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:27 pm

Are you serious? Chicago out in the first round? Never expected this...
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:28 pm

BOOO!!

That being said.."Go Rio!"
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:29 pm

Tokyo out, too. Madrid and Rio in the final.

Can only be Rio, no way they're giving it to Europe twice in a row. Congrats Rio.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting Elite (Reply 166):
I'm going to call it now - Tokyo.

Negative on that. Big grin

Tokyo = Out
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:31 pm

Then I'm calling it now: It'll be Rio.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:31 pm

Tokyo is now out ... Thank you!

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:33 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 172):
Madrid and Rio in the final.

Rio please , it is too soon for Spain to have the Olympics again - BCN was only 5 games ago .
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:34 pm

They're seriously changing location instead of just announcing it? The IOC is messed up.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:34 pm

Hola nois!

Rio or Madrid?

I would go for Madrid but I think Rio will get them.

Let's see at 18.30 who is the winner.

Salut!

Roger

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:37 pm

Shocking! This is such an unpredictable vote...I can't believe Chicago was the first to go.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:38 pm

Guys, i'm too excited here. But i will wait for the final result which in fact has been already decided.

Of course, i'm Rio !

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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:41 pm

I'm following this through this thread, so please keep us updated!!!
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:41 pm



Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 178):
Rio or Madrid?

Please not Madrid.

I don't even want to think of the possibility Big grin
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:42 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 181):
I'm following this through this thread, so please keep us updated!!!

There's a link to follow online!
http://www.olympic.org/en/content/Ol...ties/Elections-for-the-2016-Games/
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:42 pm

It will probably be Rio at this point. Madrid gets screwed because of geography.

I'm torn--part of me is glad that Chicago didn't get it just so that Obama maybe gets a dose of humility, but, on the other hand, since the cost of his taxpayer funded trip over there was already spent, I'm upset that we didn't get a good return on our investment.

That said, I still think Chicago would make a great site for the summer games, but given the current economic climate, it was to their benefit not to have them.
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:48 pm

With all of the hype of it coming down to Chicago and Rio I'm just shocked Chicago was voted out first. WOW to say the least lol. I'm a Chicagoan but I wanted Rio to win and it looks like they are. But the order of elimination is wierd lol
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:48 pm

At this point I'm behind Rio getting the Games but this vote has been so unpredictable so far who knows?
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:54 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 183):
There's a link to follow online!
http://www.olympic.org/en/content/Ol...ames/

Thanks  Smile
but unfortunately I'm at work and I have no volume, so I can't follow the vote  Sad

however, now being between Rio and Madrid, I honestly don't have a preference. Rio would be awesome as I am only three hours away, and madrid .. well, half my family lives there, and I did too for many years, so I'd probably go there as well Big grin
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:54 pm

The news here says Rio, right?
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:55 pm

Go Rio Europe should not get the games twice !!!
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:58 pm

I'm totally Cheering on Rio!..and have been from the start.

Quoting Caryjack (Reply 188):
The news here says Rio, right

Um...the official announcement is not out for an hour...So I'd like to see your source.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 187):
but unfortunately I'm at work and I have no volume, so I can't follow the vote

Headphones mate, Headphones...That's what I am doing too.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 187):
and madrid .. well, half my family lives there, and I did too for many years

This would explain you being a Madrista then...fair enough Loyalty to your city.
Doesn't explain why you love Ferrari and don't like Alonso though...

Motor Racing should be an Olympic sport! (to stay on topic)
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:01 pm

CNN has some kind of live coverage but it is only showing Spanish supporter.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:03 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 190):
Doesn't explain why you love Ferrari and don't like Alonso though...

because I'm Italian, and Alonso .. well, just don't like the attitude.

back on topic ... headphones would be ideal, but I'm not sure my boss would like that Big grin
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:03 pm

Hoping for Rio then! It's South America's turn to be the host for the Olympic Games.


I was out watching Obama leave on AF1 earlier today...
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:05 pm

What!?!

C'mon Chicago! I thought you had a reputation of corruption!! This was your moment to shine *under the table, that is*! Gah, you disappoint me!  silly 

I'm only kidding of course. I would've liked to see Chicago host it. Now by the time it'll be our next chance to host, it will have been 24 years since we last hosted the Summer Olympics. Oh well...go Rio!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:06 pm



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 193):
I was out watching Obama leave on AF1 earlier today...

I was out there for the arrival. God damn it was cold Big grin
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:07 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 195):
I was out there for the arrival. God damn it was cold

I read he was supposed to land at 5 am so I didn't bother.. I was pissed when I saw he landed at 7:50 am local time :P
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:11 pm



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 196):
I read he was supposed to land at 5 am so I didn't bother.

Had to catch the nighttrain from Odense, so I was out there just past 6 am or so. Thank god they had decided to open up at 7 AM Big grin
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:14 pm

Please not Rio, I don't want to pay for your entertainment!
 
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RE: 2016 Olympics: The Decision

Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:18 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 197):
Had to catch the nighttrain from Odense, so I was out there just past 6 am or so. Thank god they had decided to open up at 7 AM Big grin

Holy crap :P I live in CPH so it wasn't so bad.. but I walked all the way from Kystvejen and to flyvergrillen and back to T3...

I saw a Qatar amiri 340-500 parked and the two japanese 744s as well from a distance though.

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