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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:56 am

Yessir, and a V6 Mustang is no slug, either.

Built well, good performance, unmatched looks - I'll take the 'Stang!
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:47 am



Quoting CXB77L (Reply 31):

Thinking of going back to a Falcon as well. The new ones are pretty damn good, especially with the 6 speed auto. Though I rented a Toyota Aurion (V6 Camry) a while back & was very impressed, 200kw of power, and everything that opens & shuts, and a good drive as well, even though it's front wheel drive.

A Falcon XR6 turbo would do just nicely though......

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:04 am



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 50):
Yessir, and a V6 Mustang is no slug, either.

Built well, good performance, unmatched looks - I'll take the 'Stang!

Very true!
Keep in mind though, the V6 Mustang is simply a small affordable car that is rear-drive and looks cool. That's it. Yes the V6 Mustang can blow away other cars under $19,000 but it's not a racer.
The performance starts at the Mustang GT on up.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:19 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 49):
That isn't cheap for a car.

It's just the way pricing works in Europe. You can't compare pricing directly as the approach is totally different.

BMWs, VWs, Mercs, are all much cheaper in the US than in Europe.

A Golf starts in the US at 17.000$ with a 2.5 170hp engine. In Spain it starts at almost 19.000 euro for a 1.6 100hp.

A lot of the blame for this is the current state of the US$, but there are other things to consider, too. Taxes, trim levels, interiors, etc.

If Ford was to sell the Mustang in Europe it would command a price much higher than 19.000$, not even 19.000 euro. They wouldn't bother to send the V6, for starters.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:07 pm



Quoting JJJ (Reply 53):
If Ford was to sell the Mustang in Europe it would command a price much higher than 19.000$, not even 19.000 euro. They wouldn't bother to send the V6, for starters.

True.
I have a lady-friend in Istanbul, Turkey and she paid over $80,000 for her Ford Mustang GT convertible back in 2002. I couldn't believe how much she spend on that car.
I know cars in Europe are more expensive but you folks have excellent public transportation which puts our system to shame.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:31 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
True.
I have a lady-friend in Istanbul, Turkey and she paid over $80,000 for her Ford Mustang GT convertible back in 2002. I couldn't believe how much she spend on that car

There are several importers that bring Mustangs.

An already euro-spec (wheels, lights, etc. have to be changed, paperwork, import duties, etc.) 2010 V6 usually hits 30.000 euro from an importer, less than 25K if you do it yourself. IIRC LOT767ER was into this business when in Poland.

If Ford was to bring it officially themselves possibly they could position it on the 26.000 euro mark for a stripped-down V6, but more likely they would just sell V8s on the mid to high 30K range.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:49 pm



Quoting JJJ (Reply 55):
An already euro-spec (wheels, lights, etc. have to be changed, paperwork, import duties, etc.) 2010 V6 usually hits 30.000 euro from an importer, less than 25K if you do it yourself. IIRC LOT767ER was into this business when in Poland.

My sister's husband had to spend an arm & leg to get their 1994 Lincoln Town Car to European specs when they moved back to his hometown near Rotterdam, Netherlands.
He mentioned that an imported Lincoln Town Car would cost $100,000 in The Netherlands, and this was over 10 years ago.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:03 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 49):
The most inexpensive car on the market I'd consider would be the base Ford Mustang which starts at around $19,000 with V6. Probably the most affordable rear-drive car on the US market.

 checkmark  Correct on everything except listed starting price. The 2010 Mustang now starts at $20,995; a similarly-equipped convertible model starts at $25,995.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/

Quoting Superfly (Reply 49):
I can get a Mercury Grand Marquis for only $25,000 but that still isn't considered an affordable car.

Back when the more basic GS model of the Grand Marquis, last available in 2008; one could actually get a Grand Marquis at a price that rivaled many mid-sized imports.

The 2010 Grand Marquis (now only available in the dressier LS trim only) has a listed starting price of $29,410.

http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/grandmarquis/
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:21 pm



Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 32):
My wife hates it, tells me we need to sell it, then tells me to go to the hardware store in it to pick something up. I'm keeping it!

The truck or the wife?  Smile

Quoting Cpd (Reply 36):
Exclusivity and cool is not a BMW 320i, or even a BMW M3 or M5 for that matter. Those are run of the mill production line cars. That's why I don't buy into the badge/brand snobbery with these ordinary mass production cars, because your neighbour can go to the local dealer and buy exactly the same thing tomorrow. That's not cool.

Look at the auctions for cars like Ford Falcon GTHO Phase II or Phase III, in original condition. And compare with like-minded cars from a similar vintage like Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3, or the Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9, another one with a gigantic V8 engine. You see exactly what the serious car collectors look for. AUD$700,000 and higher prices for one of those legendary Fords says everything about the status and desirability of those cars.

So you don't like brand-name snobbery but elitist snobbery is OK?
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:51 pm



Quoting JJJ (Reply 53):
It's just the way pricing works in Europe. You can't compare pricing directly as the approach is totally different.

It is. The sticker price in EU is basically the all inclusive drive-away price. In North America the sticker price is only a number the real life price shall be based on. In most Canadian provinces the drive away price is roughly 15-20 % higher than the sticker price. Therefore the real life price difference isn't as high as it appears. Nonetheless, cars are indeed cheaper around here.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:20 pm

B5 S4. Nothing more, nothing less.

 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:23 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 41):
I would probably choose between a Kia Rio

Why on Earth would you want a Rio which is still the typical "cheapo" Korean car?
The new Kia ce'ed/ Hyundai i30 is basically the same size of a car, same price tag yet a completely different animal in quality and craftmanship and it looks so much better, the 3-door ce'ed in particular.

http://img.auto.cz/auto//base/2008-03/tekiprce41_478bf7b233651.jpg

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:33 pm

Given we have 65 mph (105 km/h) and 70 mph (113 km/h) speed limits in the USA, I'm still sticking with getting a new Honda Fit if I had the money. I want a car that's reasonably roomy inside but still be easy to park and be reasonably frugal on fuel.

By the way, there is some talk that Kia is looking at possibly introducing this model in the USA:

Kia Venga



The Venga would replace the Rio5 hatchback in the US market.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:48 pm

Now that Canada finally has the Golf 6, I'm just waiting for my dealer to get the 5 door TDi so I can take it out for a test drive. But from what I've seen of it so far, I do quite like it but I have yet to sit in it.

Other affordable cars I'm looking forward to seeing and driving are the new Ford Focus and Fiesta (both being the European models) when they hit the Canadian showrooms next year. Hopefully, they won't be too "Amercianized" for our market.

The Kia Forte Coupe is another nice looking affordable car, but its got a poor feel inside the vehicle not to mention Kia's poor resale value.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:23 pm

Toyota Yaris wouldn't be bad.  Smile

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:49 pm



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 50):
Built well,

Overstatement of the century.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 60):
B5 S4. Nothing more, nothing less.

Great car, but not quite affordable I'd say.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:31 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 65):
Overstatement of the century.

Most uninformed statement of the century.  wave 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:35 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 65):
Great car, but not quite affordable I'd say.

If you buy one today it would be pretty cheap.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:21 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 67):
If you buy one today it would be pretty cheap.

With high mileage and surely not in mint condition  cheeky 

I'm waiting for the RS4s to get cheap though Big grin

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
Most uninformed statement of the century.

I know several a.nuts in here who have driven one that would beg to differ. There's plenty of threads, where even you have commented, where others agreed the mustang is crap.

It's cheap for a reason.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:58 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 68):
There's plenty of threads, where even you have commented, where others agreed the mustang is crap.

We're talking about affordable cars here.
The base V6 Mustang is the best value under $20,000.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:09 am

I'm not sure as I'm not in this situation and thus have not done much research.

HOWEVER, I would probably look into the Scion xB. It's not that pretty, but apparently it received raving reviews and is very reliable. If I'm looking for affordable, it'll be a car that will work well so I don't have to spend tons of dough at the shop.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:24 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 69):
The base V6 Mustang is the best value under $20,000.

Best value in terms of what? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Quoting Continental (Reply 70):
I would probably look into the Scion xB. It's not that pretty, but apparently it received raving reviews and is very reliable.

It's just a Corolla with a box on top.
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:00 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 71):
It's just a Corolla with a box on top.

xB or Corolla...both great cars! Does the Corolla have a Camry engine?
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:00 am



Quoting Continental (Reply 72):
both great cars!

If you like appliances with wheels on them.

Quoting Continental (Reply 72):
Does the Corolla have a Camry engine?

Only the XRS version.

The current Camry in 4 banger form has to be one of the slowest cars I've ever driven.
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:05 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 71):
Best value in terms of what? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Well for starters, it's the only rear-drive car on the market for under $20,000.
Rear-drive are inherently better than front-drive.
If I am not mistaken, it's also the only V6 available for less than $20,000.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:32 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 69):
The base V6 Mustang is the best value under $20,000.

Depending what one defines as value. It does pack a lot of punch for the money, there's no question about that and I'll agree with you on the rear wheel vs. front wheel debate, but the Mustang just has to have the V8 otherwise its just not the same Big grin

But thats just me  Smile
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:39 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 75):
but the Mustang just has to have the V8 otherwise its just not the same Big grin

Oh I agree.
The V6 is only made to keep federally mandated CAFE numbers higher, easier to sell to younger drivers that are discriminated against by insurance companies (GT models have a higher insurance premium) .
Of course the V8 powered GT model is the better choice but for under $20,000, the V6 Mustang is the most car for the money.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:54 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
Rear-drive are inherently better than front-drive.

Another overstatement of the century.
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:56 am



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 77):
Another overstatement of the century.

Show us any performance, luxury or industrial vehicle that is front-wheel drive.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:52 am

Probably a Honda Fit.
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:34 am

Audi A8, Citroen C6?
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:00 pm

Another car I would love to get is this.

The new Citroen DS3, a new take on the beatiful Citroen DS of old.







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroen_DS3

I have always had a soft spot for Citroen, since I was a little kid, dunno why.

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:35 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 80):
Audi A8

Isn't that an all-wheel drive car?
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 81):
The new Citroen DS3, a new take on the beatiful Citroen DS of old.

Is it me or does the DS3 resemble a melted Toyota FJ Cruiser... right down to the above-pictured color scheme?
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:00 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 82):
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 80):
Audi A8

Isn't that an all-wheel drive car?

The model fitted with 3.2 FSI V6 gasoline engine is not. The only non-quattro configuration available for the A8 afaik.
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:10 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 77):
Another overstatement of the century.

This is one of the few times I'm gonna have to agree with Superfly. FWD isn't inherently a bad thing but has a few drawbacks like understeer, torque steer. RWD is *usually* superior but it depends how it's implemented. Live (rigid) axles as found in muscle cars, trucks and (wait for it) medieval horse carriages hamper handling. Better RWD cars will have an actual independent suspension. But hey, some people will settle with going fast in a straight line.
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:28 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 83):
Is it me or does the DS3 resemble a melted Toyota FJ Cruiser... right down to the above-pictured color scheme?

Not at all, this a small car, sort of Yaris size, and far far more beautiful than that hideous FJ Cruiser...

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 83):
Is it me or does the DS3 resemble a melted Toyota FJ Cruiser... right down to the above-pictured color scheme?

I do see some minor resemblance, but its a totally different category and type of car. Plus the FJ is fugly  yuck 
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 78):
Show us any performance, luxury or industrial vehicle that is front-wheel drive.



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 84):
The model fitted with 3.2 FSI V6 gasoline engine is not. The only non-quattro configuration available for the A8 afaik.

IIRC the 2.8FSI is only available as FWD, while the 3.2FSI has at least a quattro option.

Performance vehicles? The Ford Focus RS is a good one to start. It has a 305hp turbo inline five and gets rave reviews. Ford has applied lessons learned from rallying to reduce some (perceived) drawbacks of FWD, and it seems they were successful.
You can add the Golf GTI, smaller yet powerful Audis, some Volvos and so on.

Now I'm not quite sure what you you define as an industrial vehicle, but many delivery vans in Europe are FWD.

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Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 88):
IIRC the 2.8FSI is only available as FWD, while the 3.2FSI has at least a quattro option.

Performance vehicles? The Ford Focus RS is a good one to start. It has a 305hp turbo inline five and gets rave reviews. Ford has applied lessons learned from rallying to reduce some (perceived) drawbacks of FWD, and it seems they were successful.
You can add the Golf GTI, smaller yet powerful Audis, some Volvos and so on.

None of the above are serious performance cars. Yes I am sure some of those models manged to squeeze some HP but I haven't seen any front-drive cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin or Rolls Royce. IF there are, let me know.
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:10 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 89):
None of the above are serious performance cars. Yes I am sure some of those models manged to squeeze some HP but I haven't seen any front-drive cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin or Rolls Royce. IF there are, let me know.

Since when are Rolls Royces considered performance cars? The Phantom may have the same acceleration as the Focus RS, but it is not a car to be tossed around on a track.
Yes, for very high power applications, RWD is preferred to FWD.
But then again, AWD is superior to RWD. There's a reason why the 911 Turbo, the most powerful Audis and the Bugatti Veyron are only available as AWD.
I'm not even mentioning the old Audi Quattro rally cars with up to 700hp from a 2.1l turbo inline five - real monsters they were  biggrin 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:45 pm

In addition to what I said above, the Bugatti Veyron's AWD uses a Haldex coupling, which means that the rear wheels are only powered if the front wheels are losing traction. This means that most of the time, the Veyron operates as a FWD!

Source (sorry, German only, but Auto Motor & Sport is one of the most reputable car magazines):

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...yron-16-4-grand-sport-1326925.html
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:03 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 90):
Since when are Rolls Royces considered performance cars?

It's a luxury car.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 78):
Show us any performance, luxury or industrial vehicle that is front-wheel drive.



Quoting A342 (Reply 90):
But then again, AWD is superior to RWD.

...and there isn't a single AWD car available in the US for less than $20,000.
Remember, this thread is about 'affordable' cars.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:06 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
...and there isn't a single AWD car available in the US for less than $20,000.
Remember, this thread is about 'affordable' cars.

True, we're way off-topic now. AWD is awesome, but as the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:09 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 87):
I do see some minor resemblance, but its a totally different category and type of car.



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 86):
Not at all, this a small car, sort of Yaris size

Gentlemen, I am very well aware that the DS3 and the FJ Cruiser are two completely different vehicles.

My earlier resemblance comment was ONLY in regards to appearance and motif, nothing else.

Additionally, I stated melted; which is implied that it is NOT 100% identical.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:21 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 93):
AWD is awesome, but as the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

True.
....and the best bang for the buck here in the US is the base Ford Mustang.
I would put the Mercury Grand Marquis on the list but it's now almost $10,000 more than the base Mustang so I would classify it as an affordable car.
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:49 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 91):
In addition to what I said above, the Bugatti Veyron's AWD uses a Haldex coupling, which means that the rear wheels are only powered if the front wheels are losing traction. This means that most of the time, the Veyron operates as a FWD!

Not true. The Veyron can send all it's power to either the front or rear axles, but most of the time, it operates in a 30:70 front/rear torque split.

EDIT: And now here we are, talking about the least affordable car in history in an affordable car thread!

[Edited 2009-11-02 14:51:10]
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:56 pm



Quoting MrChips (Reply 96):
Not true. The Veyron can send all it's power to either the front or rear axles, but most of the time, it operates in a 30:70 front/rear torque split.

The source I provided suggests otherwise. Maybe you have another?
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:11 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
...and there isn't a single AWD car available in the US for less than $20,000.

Not true, the Subaru Impreza starts at $17,495 with a 170 hp engine.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 81):
Citroen DS3

Would have been my choice too.  yes 
 
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RE: Which Affordable Car Would Like At The Moment?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:14 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 97):
The source I provided suggests otherwise. Maybe you have another?

AMS is, in my opinion, one of the worst written and poorly researched automobile magazines on the planet - it even makes some of the American mags (well, one - Car and Driver) look good. Here is a more reputable source:

http://www.automobile.com/2008-bugat...-veyron-16-4-road-test-review.html

A quick Google will also show nothing mentioning the Veyron drivetrain defaulting to a 100:0 F/R torque split. It just doesn't make any sense to have the engine in the middle and send all the power forward.
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