|Quoting DocLightning (Reply 55):|
That's why every group of off-duty enlisted men I've run into acts like a bunch of rowdy toughs?
Oh come'on, of course you are.
You're making a sweeping generalization, based on nothing more than personal experiences. If there was ever an example of stereotyping, that would be it.
It's like me saying to you, all gays are queeny fems, because every one I've come across acts that way. Just as that argument would be absurd and insulting, so is yours. I expected you, of all people, to know how stereotyping can immediately destroy a person's credibility.
Anyway, the military doesn't create successful people. What the military does is give everyone the opportunities
for personally achieving that success. I've seen a lot of young guys really take advantage of those opportunities, and create a strong foundation for successful lives. But I've also seen a lot of people squander those same opportunities, but thankfully they usually reach their initial enlistment contract, and ETS'd. What is important to remember that like any other group of humans: there are lazy no good ones, and then there are self-starters who will grow into leaders. What I think even Doc would find hard to argue with: is that the military can give the disadvantaged the chance to reach great success, whereas in the civilian world it would be 10x harder to do.
As for fat people. Yeah, more and more recruits struggle with physical fitness. But they are simply a product of the greater society they come from. 10 weeks of basic training is simply not enough time to get some of these kids into proper physical shape. So it's the responsibility of the company level units to pick up, where basic and AIT left off.
Your men have to follow your orders. They don't have to go to your funeral.