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Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:28 pm

Jeez I make the mistake of watchingf a little of Chris Matthews and now according to him, Joan Walsh and Nora O'Donnell all the people who have been lining up for Sarah Palin at the Barnes and Noble in Grand Rapids are birthers and tea party people. O'Donnell went as far to say the crowd really didn't know why they loved her and it was all based on emotion. When will these elitists stop putting down people that don't agree with them? I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her but this is sad. These two women are typical on how the left is going to lose in 2010 and then again in 2012. They don't realize that no matter how articulate you are you still have to produce. Something Obama has failed to do. If Obama's numbers slip anymore Palin is going to get even bigger and those crucial independants are going to jump ship (which they are already). I tell you this woman does have a chance to begin to make a lot of noise if she decides to run and with the country losing faith in the DNC 2012 could be fun.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:43 pm

No shock there. I found a solution for MSNBC in my home. I removed if from the channel guide. Problem solved. They have nothing of value to present to the public anymore.

Before you lefties all get jumpy, Fox News isn't far behind on my list. If it weren't for football I'd probably buy TV show subscriptions on iTunes and order pay per view movies its gotten so bad. For the most part, TV just sucks anymore.

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:37 am

Palin would do about as much for the 2012 GOP slate as Howard Dean did for the Democrats in 2004.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:16 am

Actually, Dr. Dean would do more for the Democrats - he has a proven track record of accomplishment (11 balanced budgets - and Vermont is the only state whose constitution does not require a balanced budget, paid down VT's debt substantially, and cut taxes.) She...does not. (I'll just leave it at that...)

She does strike a chord with some voters, though, I have to admit that. I also have to admit I have no idea why. I'm a conservative (from the WFB-P.J. O'Rourke small "l" libertarian school, not the religious Right) and I don't see any more value to her than the left-elite does.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:22 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her

They should be. She has something to offer that every liberal / democrat in America does not want: A stable country with a high defense system and high morale and a female conservative being chief in command.

Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 1):
I found a solution for MSNBC in my home. I removed if from the channel guide. Problem solved. They have nothing of value to present to the public anymore.

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It's only a shame that I missed her by four days as I am due to travel from NYC to GRR on 22 NOV. I am hoping that she will eventually make her way out to my area sometime soon so that I can line up to get my book signed. And trust me, I am not there based on emotion. I am there based on pure common sense and human logic.  Wink

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:31 am

Quoting Carlisle (Reply 4):
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her
They should be. She has something to offer that every liberal / democrat in America does not want: A stable country with a high defense system and high morale and a female conservative being chief in command.

      No one is afraid of Sarah Palin. She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief. IMHO, she is one of the biggest reasons behind John McCain's defeat. Though I'm happy that it didn't happen, had McCain chosen a competent VP candidate such as Mitt Romney, I believe that he may very well have won the election.

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:34 am

How can the Democrats be scared of her? As far as anyone knows, Palin has never had a coherent thought in her life. Even Hillary has had a couple.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:50 am

I agree. I'm not happy that Norah O'Donnell was talking down the racial makeup of the crowd.

Have you been to Grand Rapids? It's WHITE! Of course the crowd is going to be mostly white.

Geebus.

MSNBC, if you don't want to give fodder to right wing knee-jerkers, don't do stupid shit like that.

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her

But on this, you're high.

Three quarters of Americans believe she is not qualified for the job. What's to be afraid of?
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:19 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Three quarters of Americans believe she is not qualified for the job. What's to be afraid of?

And the qualifications of Obama were?
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:27 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Sarah Palin at the Barnes and Noble in Grand Rapids are birthers and tea party people.

And, if you watch the talking heads on FOX, I bet they say these same people are patriots and freedom lovers. Big whoop. The right keeps complaining that MSNBC is "elitist" and "liberal" and "socialist" and "evil" and so forth, but when FOX does the EXACT SAME THING it is patriotic and wonderful. Go figure....

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
O'Donnell went as far to say the crowd really didn't know why they loved her and it was all based on emotion.

Because, that was the conclusion she was able to draw from some of them. Honestly, that is how I feel about the Palin fans. Palin talks and talks and talks but rarely says anything.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:37 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
Palin talks and talks and talks but rarely says anything.

Sounds kind of like Obama...

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
Honestly, that is how I feel about the Palin fans.

My, how elitist of you. I bet all those Palin fans wish they were as intelligent as you and could therefore see the light.  Yeah sure

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:46 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Have you been to Grand Rapids? It's WHITE! Of course the crowd is going to be mostly white.

Not sure about the surrounding suburbs, but Grand Rapids is about 20% black and 13% Latino. Without pictures, I'm not sure if that ratio was reflected in the crowd at Palin's event, but it's a well-known fact that the GOP in general is quite a bit whiter than the Democratic Party.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 3):
Actually, Dr. Dean would do more for the Democrats - he has a proven track record of accomplishment (11 balanced budgets - and Vermont is the only state whose constitution does not require a balanced budget, paid down VT's debt substantially, and cut taxes.)

Not only that, but he was DNC Chair during the Democrats' rise to power in 2006 and 2008. It was his 50-state strategy that was partly responsible for the Dem's picking up so many seats.

Quoting Carlisle (Reply 4):
A stable country with a high defense system and high morale and a female conservative being chief in command.

Stable country? Not so much, I think, but that's more opinion than anything. High defense? We've already got the world's best military. High morale? Half the country would be scared s***less that she had her finger on the button. Female conservative? The problem's with the ideology, not the gender, so why drag gender into it?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:06 am



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
The problem's with the ideology, not the gender, so why drag gender into it?

Simple. A lot of people on the right bring up her gender in an attempt to try and paint the left as being anti-woman. They'll say that people on the left dislike her and will not vote for her because she's a woman. As you correctly point out, the problem that most of us have with her is her ideology, not her gender.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
My, how elitist of you. I bet all those Palin fans wish they were as intelligent as you and could therefore see the light.

If we're seriously going to equate intelligence with seeing the light vis-a-vis Palin, we as a country are screwed.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:08 am



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
Not sure about the surrounding suburbs, but Grand Rapids is about 20% black and 13% Latino. Without pictures, I'm not sure if that ratio was reflected in the crowd at Palin's event, but it's a well-known fact that the GOP in general is quite a bit whiter than the Democratic Party.

As someone who I from Grand Rapids, I can tell you it is a white town, as is most of West Michigan. Afterall it is filled with Dutch, German and Polish people.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:15 am

MSNBC attacks Palin and HERE comes the outrage, forget FOX News people calling Obama a fascist, communist a dictator and starting tea parties, just don't talk about Palin in a negative light.

Sarah Palin is incoherent, incompetent, she quit her job, and an opportunist. Her book is all about getting back at the media and her enemies.



Quoting Carlisle (Reply 4):

Most liberals including myself don't want Palin as president but sir, show me the proof that every liberal / democrat opposes a strong national defence and a stable country, if you do, I have a bridge and a monorail to sale.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:21 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
O'Donnell went as far to say the crowd really didn't know why they loved her and it was all based on emotion.

Sounds like O'Donnell is describing the crowd and a Barak Hussain Obama ralley.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief. IMHO, she is one of the biggest reasons behind John McCain's defeat

Ah you must watch what's her name on CBS. Dude, do yourself a favor and get your information from a wider range of sources then the liberal mass media. (NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC)

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
Palin talks and talks and talks but rarely says anything.

Sounds kind of like Obama...

Damm, beat me too it!

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
Not sure about the surrounding suburbs, but Grand Rapids is about 20% black and 13% Latino. Without pictures, I'm not sure if that ratio was reflected in the crowd at Palin's event, but it's a well-known fact that the GOP in general is quite a bit whiter than the Democratic Party

If there was anything racist is was the very high percentage of African Americans that voted for Obama because of his Kenyan heritage.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:23 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
No one is afraid of Sarah Palin

Yea I noticed by how they are going out of their way to destroy her.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief. I

You mean "he" don't you?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
had McCain chosen a competent VP candidate such as Mitt Romney, I believe that he may very well have won the election.

You got to get off the Romney thing. His religion kills him and he won't fly on a ticket for the white house.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Palin has never had a coherent thought in her life

You know this how? Oh yea Katie Couric said so. Then it must be true.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Three quarters of Americans believe she is not qualified for the job. What's to be afraid of?

What poll is that? If CNN asks their viewers of course you will get that result. They are all democrats. Show me a Rasmussen poll that says this and not some biased one.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
Because, that was the conclusion she was able to draw from some of them

No, it was her refusal to accept people liking Sarah Palin, and for a legitimate reason.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:29 am



Quoting Carlisle (Reply 4):
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her

They should be. She has something to offer that every liberal / democrat in America does not want: A stable country with a high defense system and high morale and a female conservative being chief in command.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

This is Sarah Palin you're referring to? The one who couldn't answer softball questions thrown at her by Charles Gibson? The one who Katie Couric, of all people, made look like a fool? The one who QUIT as Governor of her State? The one who is in a running argument, through the media, with the father of her grandchild?

You mean, THAT Sarah Palin? Afraid of?

That has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on here.


Right now, Liberals and moderates who long ago figured out that this woman is an intellectuial lightweight-probably a featherweight, more appropriately, aren't afraid of her. They don't mind her being out there, selling a book that has been a bust on the market so far. The more she's out there, the less credible she becomes.

Had the nation whatned any part of what you said in your quote, I suspect she and her running mate would have fared better last year. But they didn't. And one huge reason wa that a lot of people were scared shitless of having this intellectual pee wee anywhere near the seat of power in Washington. The aren't scared of her because of what you make her sound like-another Maggie Thatcher, but because she's the poster child for extremism and of being a quitter.

I needed the laugh, though. Thanks.
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Quoting 2707200X (Reply 14):
incoherent, incompetent



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 14):
and an opportunist.

Again, sounds like Obama.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:32 am



Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 1):
Palin would do about as much for the 2012 GOP slate as Howard Dean did for the Democrats in 2004.



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 3):
Actually, Dr. Dean would do more for the Democrats - he has a proven track record of accomplishment (11 balanced budgets - and Vermont is the only state whose constitution does not require a balanced budget, paid down VT's debt substantially, and cut taxes.) She...does not. (I'll just leave it at that...)



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
Not only that, but he was DNC Chair during the Democrats' rise to power in 2006 and 2008. It was his 50-state strategy that was partly responsible for the Dem's picking up so many seats.

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Yellowstone you beat me to it.
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Quoting 2707200X (Reply 14):
MSNBC attacks Palin and HERE comes the outrage, forget FOX News people calling Obama a fascist, communist a dictator and starting tea parties, just don't talk about Palin in a negative light.

Sarah Palin is incoherent, incompetent, she quit her job, and an opportunist. Her book is all about getting back at the media and her enemies.

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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 18):

Sounds like the mainstream GOP these days.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Sarah Palin can't hold a candle to Howard Dean.

She isn't as shrill as deano was.......YEAHHHHHAAHAHAHAH!!!!!
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:40 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
If there was anything racist is was the very high percentage of African Americans that voted for Obama because of his Kenyan heritage.

If you take the percentage of black voters that went for Kerry in 2004, and multiply it by the factor (overall Obama votes)/(overall Kerry votes), you get almost precisely the percentage of blacks that went for Obama. That is to say, black voters already support Democratic candidates overwhelmingly, so Obama's strong performance among blacks arose mostly from his party rather than his race.

Incidentally, the racial group that did go for Obama much more than Kerry was Latinos.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:42 am



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 18):
Quoting 2707200X (Reply 14):
incoherent, incompetent



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 14):
and an opportunist.

Again, sounds like Obama.

If that's the best you can do, why even post? It added nothing to the discussion, except more ignorance from the right.


Secondly, Obama and Palin are nothing alike-Obama is a bright , articulate person, who, unlike Sarah, is certianly no attention "lady of the evening", shall we say.

But if you're going to post, at least put some thought into it, OK?
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
If that's the best you can do, why even post? It added nothing to the discussion, except more ignorance from the right.

Coming from you, AlphaFalcon, king of hit and runs, that's grand. All you've done is prove the elitist factor. You don't agree with it, therefore it holds no substance. My point was simple... that you liberals are simply hypocrites. My posts didn't require more at all. I don't care for Palin either since she quit, but damn near everything posted in this thread that's negative about her holds true for Obama as well.

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Quoting Carlisle (Reply 4):
high morale

My morale would not be high if Palin became president.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
Female conservative? The problem's with the ideology, not the gender, so why drag gender into it?

Because they can brand liberals as sexist.  Yeah sure

But it really does have nothing to do with gender. If Sarah Palin were Sam Palin, I still wouldn't want him (her) in the White House.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
You got to get off the Romney thing. His religion kills him and he won't fly on a ticket for the white house.

As president, no, because he's the GOP version of John Kerry. But he would have been a good VP pick for McCain.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
She isn't as shrill as deano was.......

Actually, she kind of is.

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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 25):

Now you are resorting to name calling, look who's talking!
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Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
You got to get off the Romney thing. His religion kills him and he won't fly on a ticket for the white house.

As president, no, because he's the GOP version of John Kerry. But he would have been a good VP pick for McCain.

Good point Mir.
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Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
If Sarah Palin were Sam Palin, I still wouldn't want him (her) in the White House.

..and Sam Palin would look silly wearing lipstick.  Silly
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:59 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
No one is afraid of Sarah Palin. She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief

What do you mean, she is probably the most powerful person ever in relation to the Democratic party. She seems to control a lot of democrats every thought, control every left leaning news organization, seems to control everything the Democratic party does. They seem to follow her every step, I can not wait to hear how long she spends in the bathroom or what color of undies she wears.

Just an observation of course.

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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 25):
Coming from you, AlphaFalcon, king of hit and runs, that's grand.

Uh, whatever. Simply saying "so is Obama" is no response. If you want to say I do that, go ahead. You'll find out that isn't the case.

Anyway, it isn't worth arguing over it with you. You're doing the same thing in this post that you did in the one I commented about-not talking about the merits of the thread, but trying to deflect it to another subject. The subject here is Sarah Palin. Not the President; not me. It's about Sarah. My opinion is she's a featherweight, and has no business being on the national stage. She's a QUITTER. She's an attention-grabber, nothing else.


That's my opinion. What's yours?
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 22):
is to say, black voters already support Democratic candidates overwhelmingly

Yes, that has been a problem but that is because of the bigotry of the people who blindly follow democrats.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Obama is a bright , articulate person

No he isn't, he is an indescive moron, who needs a teleprompter to get false accolades by people who aren't paying attention

Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
She isn't as shrill as deano was.......

Actually, she kind of is.

No women just have high pitched voices, unless they spent months biting down on an eraser to open up the back of the throat like Kathleen Turner did to get her voice.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:00 am

My opinion, I told you... I don't care for Palin after she quit. However, damn near everything bad said about her in this thread applies to Obama as well.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 25):
I don't care for Palin either since she quit, but damn near everything posted in this thread that's negative about her holds true for Obama as well.



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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 32):
My opinion, I told you... I don't care for Palin after she quit. However, damn near everything bad said about her in this thread applies to Obama as well.

 Yeah sure

1. This isn't about Obama, for the second time. If you feel that way, start a thread on the President.

2. The President is far smarter, politically and intellectually than Sarah Palin could ever dream of being. Mrs. Palin couldn't answer simple questions asked of her during the campaign, and did so bad in her TV appearances that the McCain campaign wouldn't let her do anymore interviews. On the other hand, Mr. Obama consistently showed that he had a grasp of the issues, and had an idea of what he wanted to do.

Now, if you think they're still the same, I certainly can't help you. If you don't care for Palin, I do have to question, then, why you're trying to stick up for her so earnestly.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 34):


I hit the wrong button. I meant to compliment her legs first before posting. I do not think much of her politics, but Oh! those legs..  Smile
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 34):

I do think it's funny that Sarah Palin is complaning about a picture Newsweek used on their cover-one which she obviously didn't mind haveing taken-is not labeling it sexist.

If that's the case, ish't she, herself, guilty of sexism, by agreeing to such an image?

The problem is this: she REALLY believes there's a media conspiracy against her, and that she just can't resist a fight with the media anyway, so she says crap like this-and it just makes her look more and more like a nutjob.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
The President is far smarter, politically and intellectually

Really? Than why doesn't he offer real solutions to problems on hand?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
and did so bad in her TV appearances

Does she require a teleprompter each and every time?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
On the other hand, Mr. Obama consistently showed that he had a grasp of the issues, and had an idea of what he wanted to do.

Obama can talk. But that doesn't mean squat when he can't deliver.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
why you're trying to stick up for her so earnestly.

Just making observations. Most everything that was used to dismiss Palin applies to Obama as well.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 36):
I do think it's funny that Sarah Palin is complaning about a picture Newsweek used on their cover-one which she obviously didn't mind haveing taken-is not labeling it sexist.

If that's the case, ish't she, herself, guilty of sexism, by agreeing to such an image?

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Its pretty simple for me .... the fact the right people don't like her ... is perfect. If MSNBC was not putting her down I would worry., (same applies to the usual suspects on Anet)
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While the NBC/MSNBC reporters should have been more careful in their descriptions of the 'crowd' in Grand Rapids, it probably wasn't too far from being an honest description. By the way, I recall that Grand Rapids was the former home of the late President Ford and where his Presidential Library is located. It is a typical, semi-rural 'republican' area, one that would be filled with persons receptive to Ms. Palin's best known beliefs.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:26 am



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 38):
If MSNBC was not putting her down I would worry., (same applies to the usual suspects on Anet)

You don't get it, do you? They're MOCKING her. She's a joke to everyone except those, like you, on the extreme right, who think she's all that. Why you feel that way, is beyond me, but it's a standing joke in most of the nation.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
and did so bad in her TV appearances

Does she require a teleprompter each and every time?

And, that has to do with what? Again, you're trying to deflect from the subject at hand. Perhaps you should go back and watch Mrs. Palin's TV interviews-the few she did-against those Mr. Obama did, and if you can't see the difference, well, again, then I can't help you. Mr. Obama always showed a grasp for issues, as did Mr. McCain, whether you agreed with either of them or not, they had a pretty good idea of what the score was on any given subject. Palin didn't in her interviews.

And, if you don't know the diff between a speech, where even, goodness gracious, Sarah Palin used a teleprompter, and an interview, then, again, I can't help you with that.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Just making observations. Most everything that was used to dismiss Palin applies to Obama as well.

"HELLO, MCFLY?" For the umpteenth time-Obama is not the issue. Palin is. Why can't you understand that?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:28 am

A question for the conservatives that feel the need to compare President Obama with former Governor Palin. If you think Obama is doing a poor job, how is "so is Obama" or "reminds me of Obama" a defense of Palin?

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
When will these elitists stop putting down people that don't agree with them?

Am I the only one that sees the irony in this?

He's putting down people that don't agree with him by calling them "elitists", and doing it because they put down people that don't agree with them.
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In the end I really could care less about MSNBC's treatment of Palin supporters, as it isn't even close to surprising. MSNBC has moved well left of center, Fox News has always been well right of center, and CNN is just useless. Sadly, the best source of news on television is The Daily Show.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:30 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 36):
I do think it's funny that Sarah Palin is complaning about a picture Newsweek used on their cover-one which she obviously didn't mind haveing taken-is not labeling it sexist.

If that's the case, ish't she, herself, guilty of sexism, by agreeing to such an image?

The problem is this: she REALLY believes there's a media conspiracy against her, and that she just can't resist a fight with the media anyway, so she says crap like this-and it just makes her look more and more like a nutjob.

You are correct, she does look like a nut job. How can one take her seriously for Higher Office. She certainly was not too bright posing for that picture, she had to know the after affects. Just a little sexism there, subtle, but there. I guess if you have it, you can flaunt it. It is good for selling your self and books.
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
Ah you must watch what's her name on CBS. Dude, do yourself a favor and get your information from a wider range of sources then the liberal mass media. (NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC)

Unlike many on the right I don't need to be told what to think by the media and by talking heads on TV. I can take what I see, read, etc. and form my own opinions about someone/something rather than just parroting what my favorite radio host says about them.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief. I
You mean "he" don't you?

If the 'he' you are referring to were George W Bush then you'd be correct but since you're clearly referring to Obama, no I very clearly meant 'she'. Obama was dealt a poor hand and he is doing the best that he can do under the circumstances. However, incompetent and unprepared he is not.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 22):
If you take the percentage of black voters that went for Kerry in 2004, and multiply it by the factor (overall Obama votes)/(overall Kerry votes), you get almost precisely the percentage of blacks that went for Obama. That is to say, black voters already support Democratic candidates overwhelmingly, so Obama's strong performance among blacks arose mostly from his party rather than his race

Exactly. Blacks as a group are highly Democratic. They did not vote for Obama simply because he is Black. Had the nominee been Hillary Clinton, the vast majority of the Black vote would have gone to her as well.

Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):Female conservative? The problem's with the ideology, not the gender, so why drag gender into it?
Because they can brand liberals as sexist.  

But it really does have nothing to do with gender. If Sarah Palin were Sam Palin, I still wouldn't want him (her) in the White House.

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Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):You got to get off the Romney thing. His religion kills him and he won't fly on a ticket for the white house.
As president, no, because he's the GOP version of John Kerry. But he would have been a good VP pick for McCain.

Agreed.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 31):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):Obama is a bright , articulate person
No he isn't, he is an indescive moron, who needs a teleprompter to get false accolades by people who aren't paying attention

I see that we're back to that old chestnut, the teleprompter.  Yeah sure

Quoting Okie (Reply 29):
What do you mean, she is probably the most powerful person ever in relation to the Democratic party.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
Mrs. Palin couldn't answer simple questions asked of her during the campaign, and did so bad in her TV appearances that the McCain campaign wouldn't let her do anymore interviews

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:35 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Ironically the Democrats have no problem with a Mormon as their Senate leader, Harry Reid.

Case in point: Harry Reid is a Mormon?

I did not know that.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Does she require a teleprompter each and every time?

She used them plenty. Which I have no problem with. I don't know what this whole big teleprompter thing is about - pretty much everyone uses one when they need to give a big speech, so why Obama should get called blasted for speaking with one is completely beyond me.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 41):
If you think Obama is doing a poor job, how is "so is Obama" or "reminds me of Obama" a defense of Palin?

Ouch.....good one.

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Quoting Mir (Reply 44):
She used them plenty. Which I have no problem with. I don't know what this whole big teleprompter thing is about - pretty much everyone uses one when they need to give a big speech, so why Obama should get called blasted for speaking with one is completely beyond me.

I've never quite understood it either. Do some conservatives really think that Obama is the first and only politician to ever use a teleprompter. It comes across as clutching at straws.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
"HELLO, MCFLY?"

Yes Alpha?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
For the umpteenth time-Obama is not the issue. Why can't you understand that?

Oh sorry. I guess I was looking over the fact that you had NO problem bringing Obama into your post in reply 23. That's quite hypocritical Alpha.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
then I can't help you.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need your help. Not once have I said Palin could speak. She sucked. Big deal. However, since Obama is already very much involved in this thread, whether or not you like it, I will be calling things like that. Palin and Obama are just as useless on camera in their own ways.

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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 46):
However, since Obama is already very much involved in this thread, whether or not you like it, I will be calling things like that. Palin and Obama are just as useless on camera in their own ways.

You are the only one making Obama part of this thread-no one else. So it's really not a big part of it, whether you like it or not.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
You are the only one making Obama part of this thread-no one else.

Wow, really? I shouldn't have to spell this out for you... but I will. Obama was first mentioned in the 8th reply. I joined in on the 10th. You, and everyone who commented on Obama, contributed to making this about Obama in addition to Palin.

With that said, moving back to the original topic...

This issue really highlights a much larger, and more concerning issue we have today. MSNBC, FOX, CNN, they are all guilty. This political bias has absolutely no business in today's world. It stirs up so much unhealthy controversy that people have forgotten what it means to report the news anymore. Why can't we just report the facts without bias and let the sheeple make up their own minds? Why must an elitist news reporter feel the need to put down others who support Palin... in such a demeaning manner? It's sickening really.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:17 am



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 48):
Wow, really? I shouldn't have to spell this out for you... but I will. Obama was first mentioned in the 8th reply. I joined in on the 10th. You, and everyone who commented on Obama, contributed to making this about Obama in addition to Palin.

And the reason that Obama was even brought in in the 8th reply was to deflect from the fact that Sarah Palin is the one whose qualification was brought into question.
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