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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
selling a book that has been a bust on the market so far.

Bust? It's breaking records and a best seller before it went on sale. Also they are rushing to do the second printing. Get your facts straight. Oh yea that's right you don't need those.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
I needed the laugh, though. Thanks.

Glad you enjoyed it, hope you are laughing next November and in 2012. Something tells me you won't be though.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
But if you're going to post, at least put some thought into it, OK?

Like your post that her book was a bust? LOL

Quoting Mir (Reply 26):
As president, no, because he's the GOP version of John Kerry. But he would have been a good VP pick for McCain.

Even if you got past his religion it was known they hated each other and wouldn't have flown.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Ironically the Democrats have no problem with a Mormon as their Senate leader, Harry Reid.

It's ok his political career is coming to an end.

Quoting Okie (Reply 29):
What do you mean, she is probably the most powerful person ever in relation to the Democratic party. She seems to control a lot of democrats every thought, control every left leaning news organization, seems to control everything the Democratic party does. They seem to follow her every step, I can not wait to hear how long she spends in the bathroom or what color of undies she wears.

Just an observation of course.

An accurate one too.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 31):
No he isn't, he is an indescive moron, who needs a teleprompter to get false accolades by people who aren't paying attention

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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
2. The President is far smarter, politically and intellectually than Sarah Palin could ever dream of being

How? Where do you get this info? When he had to answer questions without being prepared or with a tele he stammered worse than Caroline Kennedy. He isn't smart. He is an educated elitist that regurgitates CNN and MSNBC talking points.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
but it's a standing joke in most of the nation.

Since when is the far left the rest of the nation?

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 41):
He's putting down people that don't agree with him by calling them "elitists",

Oh I get it, the two women I mention in the thread starter aren't elitists. My mistake.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 41):
Sadly, the best source of news on television is The Daily Show.

Oh yea, definately.  sarcastic 

Quoting OA412 (Reply 43):
Obama was dealt a poor hand

You going to use this lame excuse Obama's entire 4 years?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:29 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
No, it was her refusal to accept people liking Sarah Palin, and for a legitimate reason.

I accept that there are those that do like Palin for a good, solid reason. But, as I pointed out, there are those (hence the word 'some' in my earlier post) that have no good reason for liking her.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
My, how elitist of you. I bet all those Palin fans wish they were as intelligent as you and could therefore see the light.

Gee.... this is a typical right-wing response. "You don't like our guy/gal, you are an elitist!" Sorry, there has to be a better reason. I listened to her Hannity interview. She threw the same jargon and buzz words around she has been trowing around for the past year. She has nothing to say, but she keeps saying it. That is how I feel.

That's like saying that because I don't like the Yankees, I am an elitist and un-American and un-Patriotic and therefore, a bad person. Never mind the fact that I don't follow baseball at all and have never cared for the sport.

I think (please just accept this as my opinion and nothing more) that since there is no real and clear-cut leader on the right, besides the talking heads, Palin keeps stepping in. I think (again, my opinion only) that since she is the political person, because she was the vice presidential nominee, she is the "experienced" one who is leading the GOP.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:37 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 51):
Gee.... this is a typical right-wing response. "You don't like our guy/gal, you are an elitist!"

I can't speak for others, but my elitist comment stems not from your dislike of Palin, but of your demeaning opinions regarding her supporters. To imply that they only like her due to some sort of emotion is highly elitist. Who are you to play down another persons vote?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:45 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 52):
To imply that they only like her due to some sort of emotion is highly elitist. Who are you to play down another persons vote?

What bothers me is there are people who don't know why they like her. They can not give any reason why they like her. Do they agree with her political stand? They can't say. Do they agree with her military stand? They don't know. It's like my in-laws. They listen to Rush as if he is the only voice. They quote him and base their opinions on whatever Rush says. That kind of thinking, I think, is dangerous.

All kinds of Obama supporters were attacked for the same reasoning. The whole "Oh, you just like him because everyone does" thing. So, the right-wingers are elitist as well. And, yes, the right-wingers are elitist because they keep yelling and screaming that anyone who disagrees with the ice princess is wrong and stupid and socialist and evil and liberal. Even though we give valid reasons for not liking her, we are elitists. What does that even mean? "Elitist." Definition, please. Also, show me where I summed up every single Palin supporter with one broad brush.

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:07 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
No one is afraid of Sarah Palin. She is grossly incompetent and unprepared for the position of commander in chief. IMHO, she is one of the biggest reasons behind John McCain's defeat

I didn't vote for McCain because of Palin. If McCain had a different running mate I would of voted for him.

After the election I seen her interviews and seen how she acted. And I don't want her anywhere near the white house!
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:12 am



Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 8):
And the qualifications of Obama were?

Dude, for one, this isn't about Obama. For two, people thought him qualified, and do NOT think so of Palin.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
What poll is that?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/...o-be-president/UPI-97441258470965/

CNN/Opinion Research

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
If CNN asks their viewers of course you will get that result.

They didn't ask their viewers. They asked people at random, including a statistically adequate number of republicans and conservatives. But tell yourself whatever you feel you need to to keep your partisanship intact.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 50):
It's breaking records and a best seller before it went on sale.

Which means her readers are buying blind. Having no idea what's in it, they're bought into it.

That is the perfect description of a Palin backer.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:23 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 44):
Harry Reid is a Mormon?

I did not know that.

Yep.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:59 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 50):

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 41):
Sadly, the best source of news on television is The Daily Show.

Oh yea, definately. sarcastic

Watch the show. Jon Stewart rips on Obama as much, if not more, than he did Bush, and for similar reasons as you.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 53):
What does that even mean? "Elitist."

Thank you. "Elitist" is just a buzzword whose definition no one really knows, but sounds good to use in an argument.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 52):
To imply that they only like her due to some sort of emotion is highly elitist.

No one (on here) has said that ALL Palin supporters like her due to emotion. But unfortunately, that is a common reason people support a candidate over another. That's why charisma is such a prized quality in a successful politician, and that's why issues are presented as black and white/right or wrong in the media- in order to exploit people's emotions.

Am I saying it's right? Am I saying only one side of the spectrum does this? Do I support/condone it? No. But it is the reality of the situation.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:15 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 55):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):What poll is that?
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/...o-be-president/UPI-97441258470965/

CNN/Opinion Research

Que the "CNN is worthless/biased/etc." chorus in 5...4...3...

Quoting San747 (Reply 57):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 53):What does that even mean? "Elitist."
Thank you. "Elitist" is just a buzzword whose definition no one really knows, but sounds good to use in an argument.

I always find it rather ironic that "elitism" is used so freely by conservatives to attack the left given that the Republican party has traditionally been the party of wealth and privilege which are both so closely tied to elitism.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting OA412 (Reply 58):
I always find it rather ironic that "elitism" is used so freely by conservatives to attack the left given that the Republican party has traditionally been the party of wealth and privilege which are both so closely tied to elitism.

The other ironic thing - considering that the presidency is the single most powerful office in the entire world, don't we want its occupant to be an elite individual? If I had brain cancer, I'd want an elite brain surgeon. I'd like to go to the Olympics to see the performance of elite athletes. And yeah, I want my president to be an elite politician and leader.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:13 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 59):
And yeah, I want my president to be an elite politician and leader.

Well one out of two ain't bad.

Poor Norah, being a good elitist she went to the table when Palin started signing books in IN to ask ambush questions and was ignored. Norah didn't seem happy. How dare someone not answer her! It's priceless to see the looks on these snobby elitists when someone ignores them. They act like a 8 year old bratty girl. Go Sarah!
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:31 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
You know this how? Oh yea Katie Couric said so. Then it must be true.

Katie Couric hasn't ever had a coherent thought either. In fact she and Oprah are probably the only two women in America who annoy me more than Palin.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:39 pm

To the Freeper mind, elitist refers to someone who has a solid command of the English language, went to an Ivy League school, and can put a coherent sentence together.

Of course, that feeble model tends to break down when one considers the blue-blood credentials of George W. Bush.

Back to Palin. It's quite telling that Fox aired footage of one of her 2008 campaign appearances and billed it as the crowd that showed up for one of her book signings.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:43 pm

With all this 'elitist' talk flying around...just wanted to make a teeny little query: are the conservatives who have and continued to criticize Palin also 'elitists', perchance?? Just wondering...
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:09 pm

Not to drag this off topic but sometimes I just don't get Andrea Kramer (oops Mitchell). Every interview she does is so uncomfortable. She talks over people. Stammers and doesn't seem to be even there. What is up with that? She always seems like she is getting her teeth pulled when she is on camera and trying to conduct interviews.

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:17 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 64):
Stammers and doesn't seem to be even there.

Guess being married to Alan Greenspan does have its perks.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:32 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 65):
Guess being married to Alan Greenspan does have its perks.

Wow, I bet sex night at that house is pretty boring. I tell you she looks pretty damn good for 63! I love how she called people from Virginia "rednecks" puts her in that nice elitist pool MSNBC seems to have down to a science.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:45 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 66):
Wow, I bet sex night at that house is pretty boring.

There's an image I'd rather not visualize.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:19 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 62):
It's quite telling that Fox aired footage of one of her 2008 campaign appearances and billed it as the crowd that showed up for one of her book signings

So what ? What are you saying ? White people should not show and see a personality they like ...? People like her ... are you saying that should not be tolerated ?

Personally I do not think she is presidential material either .... but I like some of her political ideology. She is the anti leftist ... and frankly the only one out there right now who says it ..clearly and directly. Are we all in need of a respite in the reeducation encampments for our interest in her ??

Why do you guys even care ? If she is so stupid ..then you need not even worry....
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 68):
uoting Santosdumont (Reply 62):
It's quite telling that Fox aired footage of one of her 2008 campaign appearances and billed it as the crowd that showed up for one of her book signings

So what ? What are you saying ?

I'm saying that Fox -- deliberately or otherwise -- aired footage of a 2008 McCain-Palin campaign event and identified it as the crowd that turned out for one of her recent book signings. That ain't exactly accuracy in media.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 68):
White people should not show and see a personality they like ...?

Huh? Show me where I said that.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 68):
People like her ... are you saying that should not be tolerated ?

No, are you? She's a very attractive woman, granted. She isn't presidential material, just the latest right-wing celebrity du jour.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 68):
Why do you guys even care ? If she is so stupid ..then you need not even worry....

You're right, I personally don't have to worry. But check the blogosphere, there are plenty of Republicans who are afraid -- very afraid -- that an eliminationist like Palin is, for all intents and purposes, the new face of the GOP.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:21 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Obama is a bright , articulate person

LMAO!!!!
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 70):

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Obama is a bright , articulate person

LMAO!!!!

Are you kidding? Do you really not think Obama is a bright and articulate person?
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Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 71):

Are you kidding? Do you really not think Obama is a bright and articulate person?

Apparently not. Conservatives think Obama is the ultimate example of affirmative action. Never mind that he went to Harvard AND Columbia, or served in the Illinois and US Senate for only 11 years. He has no experience (which is kind of ridiculous... no one has Presidential experience before they're elected), and is completely incompetent and EVERY one of the over 60,000,000 Americans who voted for him voted for him because of his race.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
Conservatives think Obama is the ultimate example of affirmative action. Never mind that he went to Harvard AND Columbia, or served in the Illinois and US Senate for only 11 years.

If you want to make a case for Obama's intelligence, maybe pointing out that the people of Illinois elected him to office isn't the best way to build your case. We don't have a very good track record.  duck 
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 73):

If you want to make a case for Obama's intelligence, maybe pointing out that the people of Illinois elected him to office isn't the best way to build your case. We don't have a very good track record. duck

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Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:36 pm



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 71):
Are you kidding? Do you really not think Obama is a bright and articulate person?

I think it’s all a shell game. Anytime he’s sans Teleprompter, he’s rudderless. He’s not terribly articulate actually, he makes verbal gaffes all the time and gets a free pass. Whether it was his “shout out” while at a presser for the Ft. Hood massacre, his 57 states or what have you, he’s hardly the polished specimen so many of the rubes think he is.

And as far as being smart, well, how the hell do any of us know? He refuses to release any transcripts. No records of academe, no statements from professors, no investigation into his past. I’d contrast that with the obvious predecessor, but the duplicity is clear. There’s no facts upon which to judge his intellect. Moreover, his term thus far has been marked by either total governmental overreach in every possible area, or a paralyzing indecision in others (particularly foreign policy, Afghanistan troop levels, Gitmo, etc).

His persona is of king and emperor, yet he bows embarrassingly to foreign leaders. Fails in protocols to others (the Churchhill bust, the DVDs to Brown, etc). Going to CPH to pull for a Chicago Olympics and getting depantsed (and still didn’t have time to go to Berlin). Throw in Chris Matthews’ tingle up his leg along with the media that toss flower petal in front of his feet, no wonder everyone’s duped by the sheen.

I’ll take substance, thanks. When and if that shows up, let me know.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:52 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 75):
Going to CPH to pull for a Chicago Olympics and getting depantsed

Chicago would have gotten the Olympics if they had sent Ronnie Woo Woo along.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 42):
She certainly was not too bright posing for that picture, she had to know the after affects. Just a little sexism there, subtle, but there. I guess if you have it, you can flaunt it. It is good for selling your self and books.

Liberals are just jealous they don't have anyone worth putting on the cover of Newsweek in a pair of shorts. No biggy.

BTW... If she's such a non-threat, why all the hate then? I mean, she's no threat right?

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Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 77):
BTW... If she's such a non-threat, why all the hate then? I mean, she's no threat right?

She's not a threat, in any realistic pragmatic sense and no current analysis suggests otherwise. A threat to what is the question...Democrats?? Who cares, they're finished in 2012. What she is a threat to is those independents and libertarians like myself who would otherwise be voting Republican if not for the likes of her. That's partly the reason why classic conservatives are so in line against her.

As for the hate...that's just natural with someone who creates their own overblown cult of personality, much like the sitting president! She's made her publicity bed - no sense crying about it now, yet she does continually.
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Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 77):
BTW... If she's such a non-threat, why all the hate then?

FIrst off, it's not hate, it's ridicule. And second, it's transferred ridicule. It's one thing to ridicule the emptiness of Palin's policy standpoints. But I think what you're really seeing is the majority of Americans ridiculing those blind followers who can't figure out through their own deficiencies that she's not up to the job.
 
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Quoting D L X (Reply 79):
It's one thing to ridicule the emptiness of Palin's policy standpoints.

Why are here stances empty? Why can't someone who isn't far left be taken seriously? It is hatred, pure and simple. It will also get worse after the next two elections after Obama's one and out.
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Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
Conservatives think Obama is the ultimate example of affirmative action.

You hit the squarely nail on the head with that statement,

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
Never mind that he went to Harvard AND Columbia,

President Bush went to Yale and then Harvard, yet the left considers that unimportant.

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
served in the Illinois and US Senate for only 11 years

The overwhelming majority of that was in the State house in Springfield. His U.S. Senate career was all of what? 3 years? 2 of which were spent running for the White House?

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
He has no experience (which is kind of ridiculous... no one h
as Presidential experience before they're elected),

The argument, and rightly so as it seems, is his lack of executive experience.

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
and is completely incompetent and EVERY

Which is why he has punted on virtually every major decision so far in his administration.
1. The stimulus bill, created by Congress
2. Health Care bill, created by Congress
3. Trying terrorists, so far its a decision made by the AG and the President has not corrected that.
4. A czar for every occasion.

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
EVERY one of the over 60,000,000 Americans who voted for him voted for him because of his race.

That however is an untrue statement, although his campaign, and the leftist press subtly suggested that if you voted against him you were doing so because you were secretly racist.

Quoting Slider (Reply 75):
I think it’s all a shell game.

Another nail hit squarely on the head. From his absolute reliance on teleprompters in even supposed social situations wth foreign leaders, to the obvious handlers like Axelrod behind the scenes this President is a likeable shell.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 78):
She's not a threat, in any realistic pragmatic sense and no current analysis suggests otherwise

Yes, she is. If she weren't she would ignored like virtually every other GOP member involved in the 2008 race. How many times have you heard the left go after Romney, Guiliani, or any of the others even though they are vocal on many more issues than she is? I would think that the simple fact that AP assigned 11 reporters to fact check her book versus not a single one to check either of the Presidents books tells you what kind of threat she is to the left.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 78):
they're finished in 2012

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:50 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 81):

You hit the squarely nail on the head with that statement,



Quoting DXing (Reply 81):

President Bush went to Yale and then Harvard, yet the left considers that unimportant.

Wholly disingenuous. Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude. Not only that, but he didn't have powerful relatives. If you believe simply being black gives him a bigger leg up than the family connections of someone like Bush or Gore, then you're flat out delusional. Also, you don't get Magna Cum Laude just for being black.

Quoting DXing (Reply 81):
4. A czar for every occasion.

The proceeding arrangements you made were quite valid, but then you just had to add this drivel. Honestly, conservatives in the US really need to learn to pick their battles.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:02 am



Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 82):
Wholly disingenuous. Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude. Not only that, but he didn't have powerful relatives. If you believe simply being black gives him a bigger leg up than the family connections of someone like Bush or Gore, then you're flat out delusional. Also, you don't get Magna Cum Laude just for being black.

Outstanding paragraph. I guess the fact that Bush got in because he had connections is equal to Obama doing it on how own, then graduating on top.

But if we look at the tremendous institutions that Sarah Palin went to. Oh.....that's right-she didn't. My bad.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 80):
Why are here stances empty?

Because they're based on nothing substantive. More based on, most likely what others told her to believe all her life. All you need to do is go back and watch the Gibson and Couric interviews and you can see that what she "believes" in has absolutely no substance at all.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:07 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 80):
Why can't someone who isn't far left be taken seriously?

I take George Will, Mitt Romney, Lindsay Graham, and Joe Scarborough seriously. These are not "far left"

I can't take Sarah Palin seriously because she's quit at everything she does the instant it gets hard. 6 years to graduate from basically community college? No. You're not qualified to run the country.
 
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:09 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 84):
I can't take Sarah Palin seriously because she's quit at everything she does the instant it gets hard.

Unless it's "First Dude". Five kids proves that.  Big grin
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:17 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 80):
Why are here stances empty? Why can't someone who isn't far left be taken seriously?

To DLX list I would like to add McCain, Bush I, Snowe, and Huntsman as other right-wingers I can also take seriously. Palin is simply rhetoric. To me, she brings nothing more than her few phrases to the table. Remember when she claimed to be an expert on foreign policy because she could "see Russia from her front door?" McCain messed up, for me, when he "joked" about "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" but he is much more diplomatic and has a greater understanding than Palin.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:24 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 86):
To DLX list I would like to add McCain, Bush I, Snowe, and Huntsman as other right-wingers I can also take seriously.

Add Kay Bailey Hutchinson to that list for me. I don't agree with her much, but she's usually aver thoughtful, articulate person, who isn't given to histronics when defendng her positions, and shows respect for those who disagree with her.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:37 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 81):

Quoting San747 (Reply 72):
EVERY one of the over 60,000,000 Americans who voted for him voted for him because of his race.

That however is an untrue statement,

Thank you for giving those voters a little bit of credit.

Quoting D L X (Reply 84):

I take George Will, Mitt Romney, Lindsay Graham, and Joe Scarborough seriously. These are not "far left"



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 86):

To DLX list I would like to add McCain, Bush I, Snowe, and Huntsman as other right-wingers I can also take seriously.

I concur with all of them. The politicians and pundits that have something legitimate to bring to the discussion are ones I take seriously, and in some cases, agree with. Like others have said, Palin is a buzzword machine who conservatives fell in love with (literally and metaphorically) because they could finally turn the tables and claim liberals are sexist if they had a problem with her.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:49 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
When will these elitists stop putting down people that don't agree with them? I mean it's pretty obvious the left are scared to death of her but this is sad.

Afraid of Sarah Palin? Not even remotely.
Confused as to and befuddled by her celebrity? Yes.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:53 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
Dude, do yourself a favor and get your information from a wider range of sources then the liberal mass media. (NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC)

Please, please, do tell us then what media sources are acceptable nowadays?
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:04 am



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
The President is far smarter, politically and intellectually

Really? Than why doesn't he offer real solutions to problems on hand?

Just because you dislike his proposed solutions does not mean he has not offered any.

Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 77):
Liberals are just jealous they don't have anyone worth putting on the cover of Newsweek in a pair of shorts. No biggy.

Perhaps liberals are able to separate politics from sex. No biggy.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 64):
sometimes I just don't get Andrea Kramer (oops Mitchell). Every interview she does is so uncomfortable. She talks over people. Stammers and doesn't seem to be even there. What is up with that? She always seems like she is getting her teeth pulled when she is on camera and trying to conduct interviews.

Since you obviously dislike MSNBC and since Andrea Mitchell is on MSNBC, why do you bother watching her? Do you just enjoy irritating yourself?
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:37 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 81):
3. Trying terrorists, so far its a decision made by the AG and the President has not corrected that.

The AG made the decision, but you can bet it was run by Obama before it got released to the public.

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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:11 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 81):
How many times have you heard the left go after Romney, Guiliani, or any of the others even though they are vocal on many more issues than she is?

They can speak with depth and knowledge on the issues they are concerned about and don't have to resort to junior high school dialogue to get their point across. That certainly earns them more respect and puts them less subject to attack from both the left and conservative intelligentsia. I've never seen George Will or Newt Gingrich go after Giuliani, have you?
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:19 am

First off MSNBC should have been more careful with their description of Grand Rapids, although from what I saw it was dead on (I grew up in and visit the area regularly) despite the accuracy it just seemed in bas taste. Second Palin has as much chance of becoming the Republican nominee as I do, which is to say none. The Democrats aren't scared of her, they are thrilled to have her around to be able to paint all Republicans like her and keep the "rising star" Republicans off the radar (your Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal types). She's been an absolute godsend for Democrats, and my wife is convinced she (along with Rush and Glen) are killing the Republican Party as we know it.

One thing I don't get is the concept of educated people being elitist and therefore unfit to govern. Personally I want someone a Hell of a lot smarter than me running the show. I don't care if they understand my struggles as long as they have a coherent solution for handling them. Maybe I'm crazy, but I want a smart person, who listens to other opinions and thinks things through, and if s/he screws up, I want them to admit it and move forward with tha acknowledgment. If elitist means coming from a wealthy background, well let's compare the last two Republican Presidents to the last two Democrats and then we can talk about elitism.
 
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:17 pm



Quoting Muwarriors (Reply 94):
One thing I don't get is the concept of educated people being elitist and therefore unfit to govern.

Well, if you consider what the ultra-right of conservatism is, which is Fascism, it has a history. The Nazi's had book-burnings, and often belittled the educated people of Germany, especailly scientists and Jews. So it's no surprise to me. Ultra-conservatism has a history of that.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:26 pm



Quoting Muwarriors (Reply 94):
my wife is convinced she (along with Rush and Glen) are killing the Republican Party as we know it.

It's true!

Those three are not Ronald Reagan. When did you ever hear Reagan talk with such hate and anger? He was the opposite. He loved everybody, and that's what made him a great leader. Everyone could find themselves a way to like him.

Palin, Rush, and Beck (and I can add Hannity) are pushing the party to be the party of aggrieved angry white men who see "their country" being taken away from them. These four stoke these flames for their own benefit, and that benefit is $$$$$$$. Why did Palin quit this time? So she could get paid. So she could get paid.

I mean, she even writes a book that has no policy in it other than "I'd lower taxes." It's just like Jon Stewart said, when you peel the layers of the onion away with her, you suddenly realize, there's no onion!
 
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:31 pm

The list of conservatives I take seriously is actually quite long. Other than the ones I mentioned above, I also take seriously Snowe and Collins of Maine, Barbour of Mississippi, Michael Steele (yes! he's very bright), Armstrong Williams, John McCain, Huntsman, Hutchinson, Scalia, Roberts, Souter, and many others.

Taking them seriously does not mean I'm going to agree with everything they say, it means that I know it will have been well thought out before they say it. I have not yet heard any evidence to suggest that Palin has a brain, or that Limbaugh, Beck, or Hannity will say something for any purpose other than demagoguery. Add Michele Bachmann to that mix too.
 
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:46 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 83):
Because they're based on nothing substantive. More based on, most likely what others told her to believe all her life. All you need to do is go back and watch the Gibson and Couric interviews and you can see that what she "believes" in has absolutely no substance at all.

Again how do you know this? Your merely making an assumption based on your hatred for anything not far left and what CNN and MSNBC has fed you.

Quoting D L X (Reply 84):
I can't take Sarah Palin seriously because she's quit at everything she does the instant it gets hard. 6 years to graduate from basically community college? No. You're not qualified to run the country.

Your pal Obama took less time to graduate? Well hell he is doing a zinger of a job isn't he?

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 89):
Confused as to and befuddled by her celebrity? Yes.

Well I am confused and befuddled by many people's celebrity I don't watch them or follow them around trying to character assinanate them. Face it the left fears her because if she does pose a huge threat.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 91):
Since you obviously dislike MSNBC and since Andrea Mitchell is on MSNBC, why do you bother watching her? Do you just enjoy irritating yourself?

I watch all news outlets. Plus I like to see the elitists attack the commoners, makes me happy to see the left committing suicide.
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RE: Msnbc Attacks Palin Supporters In MI.

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:58 pm



Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 82):
Wholly disingenuous. Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude. Not only that, but he didn't have powerful relatives.

That had nothing to with the analogy. The statement was that President Obama went to Columbia and Harvard. If that is the standard then the left did a pretty good job if ignoring the fact that the previous President attended two ivy league colleges as well.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 82):
If you believe simply being black gives him a bigger leg up than the family connections of someone like Bush or Gore, then you're flat out delusional.

I think your wrong if you don't think that being black gave him a leg up on ordinary applicants.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 82):
Also, you don't get Magna Cum Laude just for being black.

President Bush was is the only President to have earned an MBA. I'll take that over a law degree in running a country or a business any day of the week.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 82):
The proceeding arrangements you made were quite valid, but then you just had to add this drivel.

It's only drivel if you think that the President isn't insulating himself from criticism at multiple levels.

Quoting San747 (Reply 88):
because they could finally turn the tables and claim liberals are sexist if they had a problem with her.

I have yet to hear a womens rights group come out and criticize Newsweek for their cover.

Quoting Mir (Reply 92):
The AG made the decision, but you can bet it was run by Obama before it got released to the public.

If the decision had rung well with voters you can bet the President would have been touting how he and the AG had reached the decision. Since the polls show this decision sinking like a rock in public opinion, the AG is on his own.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 95):
Well, if you consider what the ultra-right of conservatism is, which is Fascism, it has a history

Perhaps you should check your definition of fascism and then take a look at what the current administration is up to with the banks and the auto industry.
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