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Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:41 am

Well at least they apologized and acknowledged it this time instead of claiming that they didn't know what people were talking about. Newsflash Fox. These guys have been doing this for years. I guess you can fool anyone (their audience) who would take a guy like Glenn Beck seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luNheD4DGr8&feature=player_embedded

Here is a video of the apology.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911190020

I wonder if Glenn would like to do one of his wacky chalk board schemes about the amount of times fox has shown misleading news? Just a thought.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:47 am

News broadcasts routinely attach archived (file) footage to live broadcasts. This is not a big deal.

(The New York Times published outright fiction by Jason Blair and labeled it as factual news; yet somehow remains the nation's "newspaper of record." Just a thought...)
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:37 am

I heard that they were saying that Palin was drawing big crowds for her book tour and a McCain/Palin sign was hanging over her head

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
who would take a guy like Glenn Beck seriously.

Well I do not think that people who listen/watch Glenn Beck should be declared mentally unfit to be productive members of society

Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
News broadcasts routinely attach archived (file) footage to live broadcasts. This is not a big deal.

It is a big deal when they say that it is something that happened today and when it actually happened 15 months ago
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:50 am



Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
News broadcasts routinely attach archived (file) footage to live broadcasts. This is not a big deal.

There's a difference between showing file footage of a rally when you're talking about it, and showing file footage of a entirely different rally and using it to describe the rally that you're talking about.

This is the second time Fox has done this recently (the other being Sean Hannity trying to pass Glenn Beck's 9/12 rally off as the recent anti-health care reform rally, which wasn't nearly as well attended). It was called a mistake then, too.

To be fair, MSNBC did use obviously photoshopped pictures of Palin (like the one with her in a bikini holding a rifle) in a segment about her, and also apologized for the mistake. Here we see the difference between Fox and MSNBC: Fox uses deceptive footage to try and make the people and agenda they support seem more popular, while MSNBC uses deceptive footage to make themselves look like idiots.

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:42 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Here we see the difference between Fox and MSNBC: Fox uses deceptive footage to try and make the people and agenda they support seem more popular, while MSNBC uses deceptive footage to make themselves look like idiots.

In the end, they both use footage to cater to their respective crowds and keep them as their respective crowds. "Can't let those Dems run wild and go to the other party, and vice versa, so we better show them how messed up the other side is...even if we have to lie to do it"

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
Well at least they apologized and acknowledged it this time instead of claiming that they didn't know what people were talking about. Newsflash Fox. These guys have been doing this for years. I guess you can fool anyone (their audience) who would take a guy like Glenn Beck seriously.

I watch Fox but think Glenn Beck is an idiot. I also watch MSNBC and think Olbermann is an idiot. So, don't paint us all as fools, lest you be a fool yourself.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:27 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
There's a difference between showing file footage of a rally when you're talking about it, and showing file footage of a entirely different rally and using it to describe the rally that you're talking about.

Several days ago when a UA pilot was stopped in London for possibly being intoxicated just before a flight, ABC showed a Continental MD-80 landing while they discussed the story. Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's. Should we demand an apology?
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:54 pm



Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
News broadcasts routinely attach archived (file) footage to live broadcasts. This is not a big deal

Really if you think CNN or MSNBC has never done it.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200503220005

http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-...-cnn-aired-misleading-footage.html

Non issue. Next...
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:00 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's. Should we demand an apology?



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Non issue. Next...

And there are the apologists.

I just wonder: if FOX did this for these two items, I just wonder how many other items they did this for?
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:38 pm

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):

Only an idiot would not very quickly figure out that was raw stock footage from the campain last year and not at a book signing. Hate to bust your bubble... but the nearly 1500 people that showed up nearly 12 hours early.. very real... number one best seller.. very real. I actually think that was a case of timing on the video guys in the studio because right after your tape ends they went to a live shot outside the book store with a huge line of people waiting.....nearly 12 hours early.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
I wonder if Glenn would like to do one of his wacky chalk board schemes about the amount of times fox has shown misleading news?

Not like ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN has never done the same thing...

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:11 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Several days ago when a UA pilot was stopped in London for possibly being intoxicated just before a flight, ABC showed a Continental MD-80 landing while they discussed the story. Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's.

It's called "B-Roll"

Look, I gave up calling the networks out on aviation mistakes ages ago. These are the type of people who think that a 757 must be bigger than a 747 because of its number.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:33 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
And there are the apologists.

And then there are the people that can't seem to get it no matter how obvious others make it. Every network is guilty of this. If you look inside of your local paper I'll bet not a week goes by that they don't issue a correction to a story. But hey, since it was Fox it must be a conspiracy of some sort. Jeez, some people just go out of their way to look ridiculous.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 10):
Look, I gave up calling the networks out on aviation mistakes ages ago. These are the type of people who think that a 757 must be bigger than a 747 because of its number.

You mean their not???? Damn, guessed wrong on that one!!!  wink 
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:31 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 11):
And then there are the people that can't seem to get it no matter how obvious others make it. Every network is guilty of this. If you look inside of your local paper I'll bet not a week goes by that they don't issue a correction to a story. But hey, since it was Fox it must be a conspiracy of some sort.

But the problem is: when FOX does it, we are all just supposed to sit back and say "Oh, well. They are human. Mistakes happen. La-dee-dah." But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:34 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
But the problem is: when FOX does it, we are all just supposed to sit back and say "Oh, well. They are human. Mistakes happen. La-dee-dah." But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.

Problem is... FoxNews is called out for their mistakes WAY more then the others you mentioned.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:35 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.

That's what they are even BEFORE they get letters out of place.

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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
But the problem is: when FOX does it, we are all just supposed to sit back and say "Oh, well. They are human. Mistakes happen. La-dee-dah." But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.

Please post a source for this. If it is your opinion say so. If it is then you're welcome to it but it doesn't make it any more correct. All networks, local TV and radio news operations, as well as periodicals and daily publications are guilty of periodically making errors and issuing corrections. It doesn't make a wit what the editorial policy of said broadcast or print publication is, it happens.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:58 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
Shocking.



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
I guess you can fool anyone (their audience) who would take a guy like Glenn Beck seriously.



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):

But the problem is: when FOX does it, we are all just supposed to sit back and say "Oh, well. They are human. Mistakes happen. La-dee-dah." But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.

So what does this make CBS, who tried to use "documents from the 1970s" drafted in Microsoft Word (or something similar, but the point being, the technology used didn't exist yet) to try to disprove Bush's National Guard record. Bye-bye Dan Rather.  wave 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:17 am

In the one instance, what the hell was Michelle Bachmann talking about when Hannity was mentioning the big crowds? Bachmann was there, and she KNEW the actualy crowds were very small.

Is she just dellusional, or a liar?
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:46 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
There's a difference between showing file footage of a rally when you're talking about it, and showing file footage of a entirely different rally and using it to describe the rally that you're talking about.

Several days ago when a UA pilot was stopped in London for possibly being intoxicated just before a flight, ABC showed a Continental MD-80 landing while they discussed the story. Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's. Should we demand an apology?

You're telling me that you don't understand the difference between using stock footage of the wrong airline without the intent to mislead vs using stock footage of a larger crowd in order to deceive viewers into believing that there were larger crowds in attendance at Palin's book signing than was actually the case? Something tells me that you do know the difference.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:03 am

Let's not forget that tea-party story where they said that the people showing up with guns to the rallies are racist white men. When in fact the man with the AR-15 and pistol strapped to his belt was a black man. They just conveniently didn't show his skin color. Was this CNN or CNBC? Maybe it was ABC? It is hard to keep up with the spin-doctors anymore.

I'd say this happens every day on CNN, ABC, CNBC, Fox, etc. it is stock footage....big deal.

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Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:13 pm



Quoting OA412 (Reply 18):
You're telling me that you don't understand the difference between using stock footage of the wrong airline without the intent to mislead vs using stock footage of a larger crowd in order to deceive viewers into believing that there were larger crowds in attendance at Palin's book signing than was actually the case?

It's essentially the same thing. It's certainly not the first time for either. Other news orginizations have used footage of tight shots and then intoned that far larger numbers showed up for protests against the Iraq war. Similary they used shots of sparse crowds to play down the tea parties and such. Both sides make errors. Newspapers make errors, maganizines make errors, and they all issue corrections on the inside of the publication or at the very end of a broadcast. Once again, since it's Fox it must be a conspiracy.  sarcastic 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:23 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
Please post a source for this.

Okay:

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
I'd say this happens every day on CNN, ABC, CNBC, Fox, etc. it is stock footage....big deal.



Quoting DXing (Reply 20):
Both sides make errors. Newspapers make errors, maganizines make errors, and they all issue corrections on the inside of the publication or at the very end of a broadcast.



Quoting DXing (Reply 11):
Every network is guilty of this. If you look inside of your local paper I'll bet not a week goes by that they don't issue a correction to a story.



Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
News broadcasts routinely attach archived (file) footage to live broadcasts. This is not a big deal.

And this is just from this thread. Go back to any thread about FOX and you will see the same right-wing cheerleaders saying the same thing. Compare that to any thread about any other media outlet where the outlet is put down and riduculed. If you let one side slide, you gotta let both sides slide.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:27 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
If you let one side slide, you gotta let both sides slide.

That's what we've been saying but not what you said. You said:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
But, when MSNBC, CNN, or NYT gets even one letter out of place, they are left-wing socialists who want nothing short of the silence of the GOP and every single right-leaning news outlet ever.

And I repeat:

Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
Please post a source for this. If it is your opinion say so. If it is then you're welcome to it but it doesn't make it any more correct.

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Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
That's what we've been saying but not what you said.

Every time a thread comes out pointing out some kind of "lapse" or "flaw" in reporting from CNN, NYT, MSNBC or some other outlet that does not tow the right-wing line, they are all evil. When anyone tries to defend those outlets, there is hell to pay. But, when FOX or any of the right-wing talking heads do the exact same thing, anyone who points out the "lapse" or "flaw" is just bitter and angry and a socialist and mean.

This is like banging my head against a wall expecting the pain to stop. I point things out but you don't see what I am typing. I feel bad for you. I really do. At least NIK and Dreadnought can see my point of view, even though they do not agree with it. You just seem to push your opinion as the be all and end all and all else who do not share you opinion matters.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:32 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Several days ago when a UA pilot was stopped in London for possibly being intoxicated just before a flight, ABC showed a Continental MD-80 landing while they discussed the story. Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's. Should we demand an apology?

Setting a background scene depicting air travel whilst discussing the story is not the same as if they had said "this is the scene at London Heathrow Airport showing the very aircraft the drunken pilot was supposed to be flying" or something similar. The images used in the Palin piece combined with the description clearly implied that the pictures shown were what actually just happened. I know I often disagree with you, but you're obviously an intelligent man and you must realise the difference between the two uses of footage there.

Quoting DXing (Reply 20):
It's essentially the same thing.

Seriously, it isn't. This isn't about which network is best or supports who, I couldn't give a rat's butt about left vs. right or any such nonsense as far as this goes, but there's no way that's anything other than shoddy and misleading. I guess that is why, in all fairness, they apologised and said themselves it was a mistake.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:06 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):

What are the chances that you will start a similar thread when MSNBC or CNN shows something misleading?
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:48 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 20):
It's essentially the same thing.

No it is not. Again, the intent was entirely different and given Fox's decision to apologize, it's fairly clear that FOX was attempting to deceive. Like others have said, had they used the CO footage and explicitly implied that it was a CO pilot rather than a UA pilot who showed up drunk you'd have something but that is not what happened.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:41 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Only an idiot would not very quickly figure out that was raw stock footage from the campain last year and not at a book signing. Hate to bust your bubble... but the nearly 1500 people that showed up nearly 12 hours early..

Maybe I am an idiot, but I won't stoop as low as childish name calling like you do. If they meant for that to look like file footage, they would have written the word FILE FOOTAGE on the screen. And this isn't a once in a blue moon thing, it happens on a weekly basis with fox. Are we suppose to believe that it's a mistake everytime they do it? Yeah and i'm the idiot  sarcastic 

Here is more of of fox's hypocrisy, or as they put it "A Mistake". You gotta love Jon Stewart
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Quoting DXing (Reply 20):
Once again, since it's Fox it must be a conspiracy. sarcastic

I love the excuses man, I just love it. It's like you can't see stupidity of the situation. They show footage of rallies, then show footage of larger rallies and make it seem like it's the same thing. I'll bet you a million dollars that if they were covering a liberal protest, they wouldn't do that. Think about it man 1 million dollars.  dollarsign   dollarsign   dollarsign   dollarsign 
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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 28):
Maybe I am an idiot, but I won't stoop as low as childish name calling like you do.

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Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 30):
If I had some more time I could probably find about a dozen more times.

And that proves what? That I'm a left winger who try to expose the silly antics of right wingers, And that I frequently make posts on this board that attack conservative radicalism and lies especially by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Fox News? BRAVO sir. Do you want your medal now or later?
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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 31):
And that proves what? That I'm a left winger who try to expose the silly antics of right wingers, And that I frequently make posts on this board that attack conservative radicalism and lies especially by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Fox News? BRAVO sir. Do you want your medal now or later?

The point was you said that you don't resort to name calling, yet I can probably find over a dozen times where you have called conservatives some pretty disgusting names. Your outright hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with you is obvious from your past posts. Some of which are probably deleted now.

Also, let us hear some more of these lies and radicalism? We want lower government spending, a truly free market, individual freedom, a strong national defense, lower (preferably zero) corruption, and lower (preferably zero) state and national debt. What is so radical about that?

I think the radicalism lies within the Democrat party with individuals who are self proclaimed Marxists and Communists advising the President, being his czars, and who are advising and helping to write new legislature. The federal government now owns banks, car companies, and pretty soon the health care industry. A year and a half ago I never would have believed we were talking about owning car companies, banks, and government run medicine.

And, no one forces you to watch FOX. No one forces me to watch CNBC or ABC - I think both are spreading the Obama Kool-Aid, but I don't have to watch it, so I don't really need to complain about it. Do you think I would watch FOX if they spread lies and I knew about it? The thing is, everything (mostly) they point out (opinion shows) I can agree with to some extent. I'm sure you say the same about your liberal stations - and that is your right. Just as it is my right to watch FOX.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:17 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 23):
Every time a thread comes out pointing out some kind of "lapse" or "flaw" in reporting from CNN, NYT, MSNBC or some other outlet that does not tow the right-wing line, they are all evil.

Incorrect. When the above mentioned outlets come out with a completely and obviously biased piece they get criticized. If I, or anyone else for that matter, were to correct every single factoid or disconnect between what the announcer was saying versus what was on the screen we'd do nothing else.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 24):
Setting a background scene depicting air travel whilst discussing the story is not the same as if they had said "this is the scene at London Heathrow Airport showing the very aircraft the drunken pilot was supposed to be flying" or something similar. The images used in the Palin piece combined with the description clearly implied that the pictures shown were what actually just happened. I know I often disagree with you, but you're obviously an intelligent man and you must realise the difference between the two uses of footage there.



Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
No it is not. Again, the intent was entirely different and given Fox's decision to apologize, it's fairly clear that FOX was attempting to deceive.

Anyone with half an IQ point who watches the video and cannot see the disconnect between what the announcer is saying, "lines are forming for Palins book tour" versus what is an obvious political rally complete with teleprompters in the foreground isn't being decieved, they're just to stupid to be able to tell the difference. Why did they apologize? I have no clue since that sort of thing, the wrong video up against the wrong script happens every day all across the country. Usually they catch it right away and make mention, in this case they didn't. To say it was an obvious deception is seeing a conspiracy where there is none. If it were deception they would have kept it up, not just hit it once in a tease to an upcoming piece.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:30 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
Anyone with half an IQ point who watches the video and cannot see the disconnect between what the announcer is saying, "lines are forming for Palins book tour" versus what is an obvious political rally complete with teleprompters in the foreground isn't being decieved, they're just to stupid to be able to tell the difference.

But, for the announcer himself and the producer and the director and the co-anchor and the people at the controls who *could* show the live shot but all chose to show the rallies and continue to read the script that says "these are live shots" is what the issue is.

Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
Usually they catch it right away and make mention, in this case they didn't.

I wonder why that is. Both ancors had more than enough time to see what was being shown and to stand up and say "Oh, that is the wrong footage. But, we will go to Michigan blahblahblah...." But, they didn't.
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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 29):
That I'm a left winger who try to expose the silly antics of right wingers, And that I frequently make posts on this board that attack conservative radicalism and lies especially by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Fox News?

So, out of curiosity, what would be your response to MSNBC being biased and doing something similar? Is it

A) MSNBC would never do anything like that.
B) If MSNBC does it, they must be right and everyone else is misleading you.
C) It's okay because MSNBC is liberal and are only making a valiant attempt to lead all Americans to the shining glory of the Dmocratic Party.
D) Call them on it and say that no "news outlet" should mislead audiences like that.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:12 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
But, for the announcer himself and the producer and the director and the co-anchor and the people at the controls who *could* show the live shot but all chose to show the rallies and continue to read the script that says "these are live shots" is what the issue is.

Were you in the control room? It appears as if the shot was done as they were going to break? How do you know the live feed was up and running? You've never seen a live feed blot out on the air?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
I wonder why that is. Both ancors had more than enough time to see what was being shown and to stand up and say "Oh, that is the wrong footage. But, we will go to Michigan blahblahblah...." But, they didn't.

And you know they were looking at the remote feed how? How do you know they weren't looking down at that script? That's never happened before has it? Or that Skinner hadn't already gotten up and walked away?

Nahhh..to easy to say conspiracy rather than assign it to anyone of a hundred things that could have and do go wrong on live TV every day. I guess what you're really saying is that Fox is normally perfect so this inconsistency if rather odd. Glad you feel that way, they probably do too.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:08 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
Were you in the control room? It appears as if the shot was done as they were going to break? How do you know the live feed was up and running? You've never seen a live feed blot out on the air?



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
And you know they were looking at the remote feed how? How do you know they weren't looking down at that script? That's never happened before has it? Or that Skinner hadn't already gotten up and walked away?



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
easy to say conspiracy rather than assign it to anyone of a hundred things that could have and do go wrong on live TV every day.

And there is the "Oh, well.... this stuff happens..."

I have worked in radio. Not much of a streach to TV, actually. And, to show a live feed is pretty standard. It is really easy to know, especially with all those monitors, if the live feed is up or not and, at the same time, let the anchor know if it is up or not. It also takes just a bit of common sense to see if it is the actual live feed or if it is stock footage from a year earlier.

The little things, like showing anchor 2 when they should be showing anchor 1 or not bringing up the weather person's mic are routine. Mispronunciation is common and is apologized for on the spot. I know, I have done that. But this? This is a big thing that never should have happened.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:34 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
And there is the "Oh, well.... this stuff happens..."

And that's what this is, not a consipiracy of any sort.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
I have worked in radio

Good for you, I spent 18 years in radio and TV, in a couple of big markets and I've seen this kind of thing happen countless times.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
But this? This is a big thing that never should have happened.

Agreed but it is also not some sort of conspiracy. If it were they would have carried it on for longer than just one tease to break.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:51 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
A) MSNBC would never do anything like that.
B) If MSNBC does it, they must be right and everyone else is misleading you.
C) It's okay because MSNBC is liberal and are only making a valiant attempt to lead all Americans to the shining glory of the Dmocratic Party.
D) Call them on it and say that no "news outlet" should mislead audiences like that.

In case you haven't noticed, i'm only attacking fox news. You guys all seem to think i'm here to right all wrongs done by all news stations. I'm just attacking fox news because I hate how they proclaim themselves a real news network and claim they have no agenda, when 3 yr old can see that they clearly have a conservative agenda. This has nothing to do with MSNBC or CNN or CBS or any other news stations. Even if other news stations constantly do this, you guys arguing with me have provided no proof of any other news networks doing this same thing over and over again.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:24 am

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 37):
In case you haven't noticed, i'm only attacking fox news. You guys all seem to think i'm here to right all wrongs done by all news stations. I'm just attacking fox news because I hate how they proclaim themselves a real news network and claim they have no agenda, when 3 yr old can see that they clearly have a conservative agenda. This has nothing to do with MSNBC or CNN or CBS or any other news stations. Even if other news stations constantly do this, you guys arguing with me have provided no proof of any other news networks doing this same thing over and over again.

What proof do you have that FOX does this on a regular basis. This is the first, maybe second time, out of the 5 years I have been watching FOX that I can think of a 'situation' like this, even though I think it's not a very big deal. Every station has screwed up - part of life, humans make mistakes. I guess liberals don't though.

They made a mistake. They apologized for it. You should say, "Well, looks like FOX did mess up this time, they did take responsibility for the mistake and apologized for it. Oh well, hopefully they will learn from this and not mess up next time."

If it is too hard for you to say that, I will then think you have a heavy prejudice and hatred toward conservatives, FOX, and people who watch FOX.

I will say it:
Well, looks like FOX did mess up this time, they did take responsibility for the mistake and apologized for it. Oh well, hopefully they will learn from this and not mess up next time.

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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:30 am

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 37):
In case you haven't noticed, I'm only attacking fox news. You guys all seem to think I'm here to right all wrongs done by all news stations. I'm just attacking fox news because I hate how they proclaim themselves a real news network and claim they have no agenda, when 3 yr old can see that they clearly have a conservative agenda.

So that statement alone shows you have a negative bias towards FoxNews and your views are slanted. So what they have a conservative slat.. GOOD it's about time someone tries to balance out the left wing news majority. I can blow as many if not MORE holes in the reporting of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC. They claim to be news but clearly slat towards the liberal.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 37):
you guys arguing with me have provided no proof of any other news networks doing this same thing over and over again.

One word .....ACORN and SEIU. Where is the reporting from the others on the crap these groups are up too

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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:11 am



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 39):
One word .....ACORN and SEIU. Where is the reporting from the others on the crap these groups are up too

ACORN this and ACORN that. Is there nothing bad that happens in this country that conservatives don't blame ACORN for? To counter your point, where is the reporting from Fox "News" whenever one of these conservative politicians get caught in a car with his pants down, or where is the reporting from fox whenever there is a liberal protest? Do you ever wonder why fox ONLY covers and glorify right wing protests? Because they know they can show their misleading footage that makes the crowd seem bigger. But with a liberal protest for gay rights or something like that, they have no way of show misleading footage of the crowd being smaller.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 38):

What proof do you have that FOX does this on a regular basis

Dude. Look through all my posts on Fox "News" look at these videos that I have posted not only in this thread, but others that I have started, and you will see my proof. If you want me to post all of the videos again, just request it and I will gladly do so, again and again, until you see the proof you require.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:20 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 40):
Dude. Look through all my posts on Fox "News" look at these videos that I have posted not only in this thread, but others that I have started, and you will see my proof. If you want me to post all of the videos again, just request it and I will gladly do so, again and again, until you see the proof you require.

Sure thing. I am requesting it. And, I request you present some facts with citations to reputable sources to disprove FOX. If you don't, how am I to believe you are not pulling facts out of mid-air and putting them with your hatred of conservatism to skew the truth? Citations please.
 
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:37 pm

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 40):
Is there nothing bad that happens in this country that conservatives don't blame ACORN for?

I am talking about the non reporting of the events by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC

......and where is the coverage on SEIU.. our do you even know what they are and what they are up to...?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 40):
To counter your point, where is the reporting from Fox "News" whenever one of these conservative politicians get caught in a car with his pants down, or where is the reporting from fox whenever there is a liberal protest?

OK...provide us with links to the facts you just quoted......

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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:58 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 37):
In case you haven't noticed, i'm only attacking fox news.

And it isn't because of their shoddy journalism, it's because of their conservative stance. You wouldn't even care if MSNBC did the same. Stop pretending to be some great muckraker saving us from misleading information. You nothing more than a liberal cheerleader and we all know it.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:27 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 36):
not a consipiracy of any sort



Quoting DXing (Reply 36):
not some sort of conspiracy.

Who said it was a conspiracy? They showed archived footage of a rally and passed it off as a live feed. There was plenty of time to correct the mistake as it was happening.

Quoting DXing (Reply 36):
I've seen this kind of thing happen countless times.

We all have. And, we have all see this kind of thing owned up to AS it was happening. Not a big deal, if it goes down like that.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 39):
it's about time someone tries to balance out the left wing news majority

But, when people talk about balancing out the right-wing radio talk show hosts, there is hell to pay.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 39):
Where is the reporting from the others on the crap these groups are up too

I have seen it with my own two eyes on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS......
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Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:37 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
But, when people talk about balancing out the right-wing radio talk show hosts, there is hell to pay.

But see.. here is the thing about radio over TV. The radio listenership drive the demand. They've tried liberal radio and no one was listening
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:54 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 45):
They've tried liberal radio and no one was listening

"No one" listens to classical, either. "No one" listenes to bright and beautiful, either. Yet, both of those formats are still on. "Liberal" radio actually does well in the big cities. If not, why carry it at all? Not only that, the right-wing talk radio is on bigger and more powerful stations. Imagine if "liberal" radio were on bigger and more powerful stations.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:05 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 46):
Imagine if "liberal" radio were on bigger and more powerful stations.

They did... and it failed....
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:06 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
Who said it was a conspiracy?



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 7):
I just wonder: if FOX did this for these two items, I just wonder how many other items they did this for?



Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
You're telling me that you don't understand the difference between using stock footage of the wrong airline without the intent to mislead vs using stock footage of a larger crowd in order to deceive viewers into believing that there were larger crowds in attendance at Palin's book signing than was actually the case?

I'll take conspiracy for 1000 Alex.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
There was plenty of time to correct the mistake as it was happening.

Again, you're making assumptions based on facts you don't have. You don't know that the newscaster knew what was actually being shown.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 44):
We all have. And, we have all see this kind of thing owned up to AS it was happening.

And we've all seen it corrected the next day, or the next week in some TV news magazine caes.
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RE: Fox News Caught Using Misleading Footage, Again!

Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:50 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 5):
Several days ago when a UA pilot was stopped in London for possibly being intoxicated just before a flight, ABC showed a Continental MD-80 landing while they discussed the story. Not only did they get the wrong airline, but its been several years since CO flew MD-80's. Should we demand an apology?

If they had been saying "these are some pictures of the airline in question", then yes, I think an apology would have been appropriate.

And whenever new stations show something like that, there is usually a little title on the photo or video that says "file footage". Didn't see that on this occasion.

Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
Anyone with half an IQ point who watches the video and cannot see the disconnect between what the announcer is saying, "lines are forming for Palins book tour" versus what is an obvious political rally complete with teleprompters in the foreground isn't being decieved, they're just to stupid to be able to tell the difference.

The announcer also says "these are some pictures just coming in to us", and "that's a crowd of folks". So I guess he's lacking even a half of an IQ point. Or is it just that it's now perfectly fine for television journalists to disregard accuracy entirely, because it's a "let the buyer beware" market?

I'm not saying that any firings are in order, because mistakes do happen, but at least it does warrant an apology and correction.

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