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Important Reform...college Football?

Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:06 pm



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Calling the Bowl Championship Series "deeply flawed," the chairman of a congressional committee has called a hearing on the controversial system used to determine college football's national champion.

A House Energy and Commerce subcommittee, charged with regulating America's sports industry, announced Friday it will conduct a hearing on the BCS next week, after this season's bowl matchups are determined.

"College football is not just an exhilarating sport, but a billion-dollar business that Congress cannot ignore," said committee Chairman Joe Barton, a Texas Republican. Barton's panel is separate from the House Government Reform panel that tackled steroids in baseball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2245440

Now, why is a GOP Congressman from Texas championing this? Isn't the GOP supposed to be against big government?

I'm glad to know that everything else in the U.S. is going so swimmingly that we can use our highest legislative chambers to regulate the way that college sports are played. Surely, it's free to have a hearing and it doesn't take very long. It's not like you have to fly a bunch of people to DC and spend hours in meetings...  Yeah sure

Would someone please explain to me why healthcare reform is "socialism" and yet regulating college sports is OK?

As for me, I'm of the opinion that college sports should never have become a for-profit venture. College is about education. But that's just my opinion.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:19 pm

I'm not surprised one bit. Embarrassed that it's a Republican, but not surprised.

People, this is what happens when you let Government get it's greedy little hands into things, like, oh, I don't know, health care? TARP? Buying car companies?

You see, that's why those of us who stand against government run/supported/whatever you call it health care. We, as a people, have let our laziness, greed, and whatever ask our government to do/provide things they never should have. Now, after we ask for all this stuff, these elites, who come from both sides, think they have the power to regulate everything.

We asked for it as a people, so please, don't complain when we are just reaping what we sowed.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
As for me, I'm of the opinion that college sports should never have become a for-profit venture. College is about education. But that's just my opinion.

Well, while a lot of donations go to the Athletic Departments, these colleges make a lot of money for their education departments because of Athletics. There is no denying that. And, to make you happy as a lib, look at all the revenue that the TV Networks make by selling ads, look how much money the coaches and staff make, look at all the college gear sold in stores. That's a huge amount of taxes to all forms of government. How can you be against that??
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:22 pm

Well of course it is flawed that is about the only thing that the entire country agrees on..................... well except Will Forte

http://www.hulu.com/watch/52186/saturday-night-live-update-bcs-song
Will Forte singing why he loves the BCS on Weekend Update on SNL last year (it starts at 1:06)

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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:40 am

I agree that the BCS system just outright sucks, and that College Football needs to be reformed, e.g. by introducing playoffs in the FBS. That being said, I do agree that politicians have no place dictating how a sport should run. If this was asociation football (aka soccer for you in the US), FIFA would already be fuming about this and suspend the country in question from all competitions for political meddling. So, if the US Congress would start dictating the MLS on what to do, then the US national team would have to "thank" Washington because they got them suspended from the upcoming World Cup.

My point is: Politics should only get involved for safety issues (e.g. for combatting hooligans during football matches), but not interfere with the game and how it's played.

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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:43 am

The Govermennt has no business in sports this is riduculous...the college bowl system is money driven whats wrong with that? The schools and the sponsors benefit this is ridiculous....

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 1):

People, this is what happens when you let Government get it's greedy little hands into things, like, oh, I don't know, health care? TARP? Buying car companies?

It's crazy
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:56 am



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 1):
People, this is what happens when you let Government get it's greedy little hands into things, like, oh, I don't know, health care? TARP? Buying car companies?

Orin Hatch has been hellbent on this ever since Utah went undefeated in 2004 an sent to the Fiesta Bowl.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 am

Am I the only one who likes the bowl system? It makes the regular season so important. When Alabama and Florida clinched their berth to the SEC title game, would there be a point to them keeping their starters in for more than the first half? Who cares if they lose along the way? They'll prevail in the playoffs. As it was, neither of them could let up.

If there is to be a playoff, I like the Plus One best. It keeps the best of both worlds.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:05 am



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I'm glad to know that everything else in the U.S. is going so swimmingly that we can use our highest legislative chambers to regulate the way that college sports are played. Surely, it's free to have a hearing and it doesn't take very long. It's not like you have to fly a bunch of people to DC and spend hours in meetings

- Spend time for Congressional hearings on college sports officiating? Don't these people know that we have this "Tiger Woods' Scandal" to watch unfold right now?  sarcastic 
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:38 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
As for me, I'm of the opinion that college sports should never have become a for-profit venture. College is about education. But that's just my opinion

From what I understand, legally speaking, college sports isn't a for-profit venture. The NCAA and all these university athletic programs are technically classified as non-profits. Feel free to commence puking.

In cases like these, political affiliations don't matter one single bit--it's all about geography and an attempt to get the populist vote. Joe Barton's congressional district, for example, encompasses part of Tarrant County, which is where Fort Worth is located, and is home to...you guessed it...TCU and a significant portion of their alumni base.

I think this is complete BS and I think that our congressional representatives should be ashamed for wasting the taxpayers' dime on something so trivial as the BCS (and steiroids in baseball for that matter, as well). We've clearly solved poverty, eliminated all national security threats etc.
 
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:48 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

As for me, I'm of the opinion that college sports should never have become a for-profit venture. College is about education. But that's just my opinion.

While I agree with you, athletic departments tend to be a major source of revenue for universities. Yes they're "separate" from the university (public schools anyway), but they often come through when the university needs some cash.

A couple years ago when our governor was more interesting in flying to Argentina to visit his mistress than funding higher education the athletic department "donated" quite a large sum back to the university.

I'm a bit confused as to why this issue was brought up by a Republican though, especially one from Texas considering that Texas is going to the championship.
 
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:58 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Now, why is a GOP Congressman from Texas championing this? Isn't the GOP supposed to be against big government?

I agree (note that I've seen Dems get involved in sports as well.)

Congress has much more important fish to fry than to spend more than 10 seconds on sports.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:16 pm



Quoting Clemsonaj (Reply 9):

I'm a bit confused as to why this issue was brought up by a Republican though, especially one from Texas considering that Texas is going to the championship.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):

Congress has much more important fish to fry than to spend more than 10 seconds on sports.

I agree. I mean, if it's something to do with the safety of the athletes or an important issue like that, then that's one thing. But determining how the championship is organized? Someone needs to have a little chat with this guy about priorities.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:55 pm

Maybe it's just me, but did anyone else notice that the date on this story is from 2005? The tip off that something wasn't quite right was the sentence:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
said committee Chairman Joe Barton, a Texas Republican.

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How could he be a committee Chairman as a Republican minority member?


Let's update shall we?

The Congressman's current standing.

http://www.joebarton.com/Bio.aspx

"Congressman Joe Barton has served the constituents of the Sixth Congressional District of Texas since 1984. He currently as the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and serves on the House Republican Steering Committee, which coordinates strategic planning for House Republicans."

The House Energy and Commerce Committee's current standing.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/inde...egory&layout=blog&id=160&Itemid=61

Henry A. Waxman, CA, Chair Joe Barton, TX, Ranking Member

John D. Dingell, MI, Chair Emeritus


In case you weren't aware, Waxman and Dingell are both Democratic party members.

As to the legislation.

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/ke...ton.Seeks.To.Change.Ranking.System

Congressman Joe Barton is sponsor of House Resolution 390.

Barton's bill has now passed out of a House subcommittee. The next step is to go before the full committee. A similar bill is working its way through the Senate.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...=ap-bcs-congress&prov=ap&type=lgns

WASHINGTON (AP)—Dismissing complaints from some members that Congress had more pressing matters, a House subcommittee approved legislation Wednesday aimed at forcing college football to switch to a playoff system to determine its national champion.

“We can walk across the street and chew gum at the same time,” said the subcommittee chairman, Illinois Democrat Bobby Rush, one of the bill’s co-sponsors. “We can do a number of things at the same time.”


Shortly after his election last year, Barack Obama said there should be a playoff system.


So I guess my question is, is there a reason you decided to pick on the minority GOP member, misidentify his Congressional status using a 4 year old story, and ignore the fact that one of Congresses most liberal members, and Chair of the subcommittee is cosponsor of the bill? That Rep. Barton would have no way to schedule a vote as a minority member? Or am I correct in thinking it was just all a big oversight?  devil 
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:07 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Would someone please explain to me why healthcare reform is "socialism" and yet regulating college sports is OK?

I've never heard of anyone complaining about Title IX.

IX/T/Title%20IX%20Q%20%20A.aspx" target=_blank>http://www.womenssportsfoundation.or...%20IX/T/Title%20IX%20Q%20%20A.aspx

That surely is regulating college sports but since it was passed by a Democratic Congress I guess it's ok then? Before you start I've always been a supporter of Title IX's legislation.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
As for me, I'm of the opinion that college sports should never have become a for-profit venture. College is about education. But that's just my opinion.

Agreed. I've always thought the college players should either be paid or in some way compensated, beyond a full ride scholarship, for the amount of money they bring to a University.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:08 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):

Actually, I'm not picking on Republicans. That was just the article I found.

I'm opposed to the whole damned thing. If Democrats are involved, then shame on them, too!
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:11 am



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Now, why is a GOP Congressman from Texas championing this? Isn't the GOP supposed to be against big government?

Joe Barton's district is just south of the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

One of the biggest news stories/ controversies in Dallas/Fort Worth right now is how the BSC "messed over" undefeated Texas Christian University by placing them in the Fiesta Bowl against undefeated Boise State.

These were the same two teams which played each other in the Poinsetta Bowl last year. The perception is that the BCS does not want either if these teams to play a BCS conference team - and show the BCS to be a bigger farce than it already is.

TCU was ranked #4 by the BCS process - but will not play undefeated #3 Cincinnati - which gets to play #5 Florida.

By the BCS process - it should be Cincinnati vs TCU in the Orange Bowl and Florida vs Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.

Also because of the way the BCS structures conference payouts - and both TCU and Boise State are members of non-BCS conferences - both TCU and Boise State will get less of a payout than schools like Oklahoma State or even Baylor which did not qualify for a bowl game this year.

Joe Barton is many things - including a fairly honest and consistent congressman. But he is also very aware of issues impacting his district.

He is from Texas - football beats the war in Iraq/ Afghanistan or the economy 40+ weeks per year as an issue.
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RE: Important Reform...college Football?

Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:23 am

College football is a very emotional issue for it's fans and may affect the finances of a given College or University. Big money is involved but for most of the players. The BCS is a complicated system that seems to please no one except those that get to be the ones in the BCS title game. Perhaps some Federal legal oversight may be due to make sure there is a fair system since I don't trust the NCAA or the BCS organiztion.

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