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Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): What is opinion of unions? Do you have any personal experiences that show the strength or weaknesses of organized labour? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): What is opinion of unions? Do you have any personal experiences that show the strength or weaknesses of organized labour? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting Airstud (Reply 4): When a $35,000 skill set scores an $80,000 salary, you have to wonder how many other jobs out there are prevented from existing. It makes you ask whether the unions are in favor of "the working man" as they claim to be. |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6): The problem is that unions themselves have evolved into businesses themselves, concerned with their own bottom line. Revenues are Union dues. |
Quoting Airstud (Reply 4): It's tough to take any unions seriously when you see grocery clerks and transit "station agents" making $60,000 (let alone the six-figure salaries some of them have scored) |
Quoting Flighty (Reply 5): Michigan and California are very liberal with unions |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? Yes, without a doubt. Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? Some do, a great majority will fire you in a blink. Think Walmart. Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6): Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? No, and there should be strong devices in place to ensure that well-delineated lines are not crossed. |
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 7): There are two sets of signatures on an agreement; the company and the union. You can knock those high salaries if you like, but the company agreed to them. When the company made money they didn't mind paying, but when times get bad they complain about the union. No wonder times are bad everything is made in China. Wealth is created by manufacturing. The Chinese and Indians have learned that at our expense. |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10): On CNN tonight, the average wage in the US for private industry was either 40 or 45 thousand dollars a year. Federal Gov, now seventy one thousand per year, what does that tell us? It tells me that private industry has not changed nor will they, until forced. |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15): http://www.projo.com/opinion/contrib..._12-26-09_2JEJM22_v20.3f8d9c0.html Instead of starting a new thread, I thought this fit into this existing one. One can see the disparity between public unions and trying to organize in the private sector. Not exactly an even playing field for labor in the private and public sectors. |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting Krisyyz (Reply 16): This article made me think of what happened to the Walmart stores in Quebec. There too, the workers tried to organize and bring in a union. Walmart claimed that the stores were unprofitable and closed them down very quickly. Of course it would be next to impossible to unionize the most profitable company in the world but there quick and sever actions highlight the treat that organized labour is considered to be among many major corporations. |
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 17): There is nothing inherently wrong with organized labor. The problem is people legitimizing certain actions by them by passing laws legalizing it. And this doesn't only apply to organized labor, either, but companies too. |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19): I could not agree more, a two way street. According to the writer, just a little slanted towards corporations and businesses. Intimidation and fear, alive and well in this day and age, some will say on both sides, you have to fight injustice with whatever tools you have, both sides. |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): there are some big corporations that treat their employees like worker ants or peasants. What is opinion of unions? Do you have any personal experiences that show the strength or weaknesses of organized labour? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6): The problem is that unions themselves have evolved into businesses themselves, concerned with their own bottom line. Revenues are Union dues. |
Quoting Apodino (Reply 23): To an extent I agree with this, but at the same time, I take a look at unions such as APA and USAPA that seem more worried about getting pay increases for their pilots rather than help all the furloughed pilots get back to work. Think about it, if all the furloughed pilots were back to work, thats a heck of a lot more money they would get in union dues. |
Quoting Varigb707 (Reply 21): You said it. And the above quoted text is the main reason i help organise the union at work. We are now part of the Teamsters (Local 745). We are now on the first year of our contract. Finally, the oppression from the employer is OVER! Management was always quick to take the customer's side and punish the employee with prejudice. It ain't happening no more. Go Unions! |
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22): The rise of unions to help workers get a fair wage, safe working conditions, and outlawing child labor led directly to the rise of the middle class in the U.S, and, I suspect other nations as well. |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): and a poor relationship with the hard working management. |
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22): Unions still are a force for safe work rules and work environments. |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): Unions are usually run by the most militant of the employee base, resulting in unnecessary cost, inefficient work rules, poor job flexibility and a poor relationship with the hard working management |
Quoting OA412 (Reply 27): Oh man that's too funny considering I know management in unionized industries that haven't done anything approaching hard work since their promotion |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): Unions have outlived their uselfulness in the Western world, where non-union labour laws and human rights cover all workplace needs now. Unions are usually run by the most militant of the employee base, resulting in unnecessary cost, inefficient work rules, poor job flexibility and a poor relationship with the hard working management. |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): decline. Numerous Canadian economists attribute the lower standard of living in Canada to our higher union participation and resulting lower productivity growth, in part. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): As was pointed out earlier, safe work rules and work environments are now mandated by State and Federal Laws, |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): In my department, the employees gripe about how the union shop stewards are constantly trying to create "union business" to discuss in order to get out of doing their job side-by-side with their counterparts. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): Sorry, but when you're in management, you're ALWAYS at work. 24/7. You're salaried, and as such you're expected to be a team player and help out whenever you're called upon. Unlike when you're part of the union, you don't get to just leave your job at work when you leave for the day - you take it with you. I've been on both sides of the equation and I can tell you with absolute certainty that you'll do FAR more work when you're in management than if you're union. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): Sorry, but when you're in management, you're ALWAYS at work. 24/7. You're salaried, and as such you're expected to be a team player and help out whenever you're called upon. Unlike when you're part of the union, you don't get to just leave your job at work when you leave for the day - you take it with you. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): I've been on both sides of the equation and I can tell you with absolute certainty that you'll do FAR more work when you're in management than if you're union. |
Quoting OA412 (Reply 31): I know plenty of managers who "punch out" at 5 and are done for the day. |
Quoting OA412 (Reply 31): Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): I've been on both sides of the equation and I can tell you with absolute certainty that you'll do FAR more work when you're in management than if you're union. Again patently false. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): As was pointed out earlier, safe work rules and work environments are now mandated by State and Federal Laws, so it's not Unions that are keeping workers safe - it's the government |
Quoting Cpd (Reply 33): Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): As was pointed out earlier, safe work rules and work environments are now mandated by State and Federal Laws, so it's not Unions that are keeping workers safe - it's the government But when you work for the government, who is going to stand up for your rights? |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 32): No, absolutely true! I'm living proof - today's my scheduled day off, yet I'm on-call and have been taking business calls throughout the day, assisting agents on my team from home via e-mail and have already sat in on one conference-call from home as well. And every other manager in my department is the same way - we're EXPECTED to be available if necessary at a moment's notice. |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quote: Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quote: Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 35): You wanted the job, deal with it. Unions protect people from just what you seem to want a pat on the back for. People want to enjoy life and not be a slave to the company, that is what a union is for. People who want to be the corporate slave, just as you seem to be. deal with it. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): Sorry, but when you're in management, you're ALWAYS at work. 24/7. You're salaried, and as such you're expected to be a team player and help out whenever you're called upon. Unlike when you're part of the union, you don't get to just leave your job at work when you leave for the day - you take it with you. |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Are Unions responsible for the creation of the middle class? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Can Corporations and Businesses be trusted to treat employees fairly? |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 35): Unions protect people from just what you seem to want a pat on the back for. |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 35): People want to enjoy life and not be a slave to the company, that is what a union is for. |
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 35): People who want to be the corporate slave, just as you seem to be. |
Quoting NWAESC (Reply 36): Quote: Is Organized labour a part of the problem or the solution? Both, unfortunately. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 32): No, absolutely true! I'm living proof - today's my scheduled day off, yet I'm on-call and have been taking business calls throughout the day, assisting agents on my team from home via e-mail and have already sat in on one conference-call from home as well. And every other manager in my department is the same way - we're EXPECTED to be available if necessary at a moment's notice. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 39): Who said anything about a pat on the back? I'm ultimately compensated based on my performance, and the motivation to go above and beyond - something that union payscales kill - is to ensure my performance merits a nice increase each year. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 39): So workers are somehow incapable of enjoying life unless they're part of a union? Wow, march onward, Tovarich! |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 39): Corporate slave? Hysterical! I choose to work the amount I do based on my desire to improve my skills and experience level, but also to ensure my work is compensated with increases far greater than a stepped "lowest common denominator" payscale set during collective bargaining. |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): Unions have outlived their uselfulness in the Western world, where non-union labour laws and human rights cover all workplace needs now |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): True, but that was 100 years ago. The middle class is safe and entrenched now. Unions have outlived their usefulness. |
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 26): Numerous Canadian economists attribute the lower standard of living in Canada to our higher union participation and resulting lower productivity growth, in part. |
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 30): Unions where often the ones pushing governments to enact those regulations. |
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 28): Sorry, but when you're in management, you're ALWAYS at work. 24/7. You're salaried, and as such you're expected to be a team player and help out whenever you're called upon. Unlike when you're part of the union, you don't get to just leave your job at work when you leave for the day - you take it with you. |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 41): I have seen some hard-working managers in my day, but I have seen some serious slackers. In short, management gets the union it deserves. |