Air America Off The Air, To Liquidate Under BK

LAXintl · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:12 am

Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Quote:
Air America Radio closing, filing for bankruptcy

LOS ANGELES - Air America Radio, a radio network that was launched in 2004 as a liberal alternative to Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators, on Thursday shut down abruptly due to financial woes.

The network once boasted hosts such as Al Franken and Rachel Maddow, but struggled from the outset, including multiple management shake-ups, a bankruptcy in 2006 and sale for $4.25 million the following year.

Air America ceased airing new programs Thursday afternoon and said it will soon file to be liquidated under Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It began broadcasting reruns of programs and would end those as well Monday night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34983018/ns/entertainment-arts_books_more/

EMBQA · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:21 am

....and I'm pretty sure this was the second attempt at Liberal radio Air America. In a free market society if you make, sell or offer something the people want it will sell... if not you run out of money and shut down.

Yellowstone · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:30 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Not quite. Liberals have the internet, so we don't need talk radio. And MSNBC is doing just fine.

LAXintl · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:43 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
And MSNBC is doing just fine.

MSNBC trails both CNN and FOX in cable news.
Overall MSNBC is even worse, coming in at the bottom, 30 out of 30 for 2009 Cable networks for viewer draw. The Animal channels draws more viewers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1...ews-2009-ratings-rec_n_406325.html

Fox on the other hand rocks, sweeping all 10 top news show spots in 2009.

dxing · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:48 am

I'm sure there is at least one member who will advocate that if only radio stations had been forced to carry their programming they would have been a success.

If you don't offer what people want, you go out of business, pure and simple.

san747 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:54 am

Quoting DXing (Reply 4):

If you don't offer what people want, you go out of business, pure and simple.

That's fine. That's what the free market is all about. I'm as liberal as they come, you know that, but if Air America couldn't get a big enough audience to become profitable, then this is what's supposed to happen.

EMBQA · Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:02 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
And MSNBC is doing just fine.

I wonder how MSNBC would do if it was a stand alone network and not drawing off NBC and GE...?

ArmitageShanks · Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:09 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
NBC and GE...?

Comcast bought NBC last year.

ltbewr · Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:29 am

I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule. With the collaspe of Air America, it will be more difficult to offer alternative views that will make people think rather than follow.

Superfly · Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:44 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule.

National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

L-188 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
coverage of a given topic without any bias

Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing.

But back to Air America.

If you spend your days preaching against the same industries that you need advertising dollars from, this is going to happen.

This should be a lesson in business school. There was a reason they model was going to fail.

sccutler · Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:59 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

While it's silly to suggest that NPR lacks bias, the fact is, they produce by far the best news programming in the USA. Reportage is crisp, thorough and calmly-delivered.

Superfly · Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:52 am

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 11):
While it's silly to suggest that NPR lacks bias,

I think they spend too much time talking about global warming/climate change. Other than that, they are a great source for news.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 11):
they produce by far the best news programming in the USA. Reportage is crisp, thorough and calmly-delivered.

Well said!

OA412 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:22 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Nah it's just that we can make up our own minds on issues rather than having somone do it for us. Big grin

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

I think that this is a big part of why "liberal" talk radio doesn't work. A lot of left-wingers already listen to NPR so why switch?

seb146 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:39 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing.

Why? Because they don't tow the Republican party line to the letter?

The parent company for Rush Limbaugh filed for bankrupcy, too, but that was NEVER announced ANYWHERE. So much for "liberal" bias in the media!

And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the right side over and over and over and over while being told that any other positions on an issue are communist, socialist, nazi, libearl, and terrorists......

usair320 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:37 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

Uhhhhh. C'mon now superfly.....that's like saying Fox (and I'm a conservative saying this) is actually fair and balanced.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
If you spend your days preaching against the same industries that you need advertising dollars from, this is going to happen.

I agree. And back to reality who wants to listen to a latte sipping, tree hugging liberal like Richard Greene or Thom Hartman whine and cry when they can listen to Dr. Savage scream into his mic about his bad lunch at a chinese place.
I will admit the one liberal show I like is the Stephanie Miller show. Not for the show's political slant, but it is pretty entertaining.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):

Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing

Any station that has Amy Goodman on it's lineup is pretty damn left wing.

seb146 · Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:12 pm

Another thing I find interesting is the right-wing is saying that the SCOTUS ruling on campaign contributions should contribute to an informed electorate because we the people should not believe the campaign hype or take just one side at their word. Yet, they are positivly giddy as little school girls that the opposition voice is, effectively, gone. So, what they are really saying is: the electorate should be informed as long as they listen to only the right wing. Could someone please explain this to me?

BA · Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:26 pm

I listen to NPR to get my news.

No other radio or television station in this country is worth paying any real attention to when it comes to news, although I do like Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN which I think does a good job discussing international issues.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
I think that this is a big part of why "liberal" talk radio doesn't work. A lot of left-wingers already listen to NPR so why switch?

Superfly · Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:18 pm

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):
Stephanie Miller

Amy Goodman

I don't know anything about them

I listen to Fresh Air, All Things Considered, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer and California Report.
I don't bother listening to their 'entertainment' shows.
I do like Car Talk but it comes on waaaaaay too early for me to ever catch it. 10:00AM on the weekends? I sleep to noon on days off.

NWAESC · Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:06 pm

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):
Thom Hartman

I like Hartman because his show tends to make you think, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you're on. Miller is, well, hilarious.

The rest of talk radio seems top be nothing more than a wall of (vapid) noise.

LAXintl · Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:01 am

Just read a piece(in print, sorry cant/copy paste) with a business take on why Air America never prospered.

1) I'll defined market placement. Was to be a liberal answer to conservative talk radio, but its program content and delivery poorly defined lacking focus.
2) Market demographics. Democrats reside in greater numbers in large urban centers with noisy media markets. Had very hard time building listeners against all other media forms. Republican tend to be in rural areas more where radio is a much more central form of news and information.
3) Poor business office management.
4) Marginal on-air talent, and several like Montel Williams and Rachel Maddow into self-promotion and not focused on Air America.
5) Failed to learn the basic lessons behind initial 2006 BK

So combined, lack of listeners = lack of advertising = lack of revenue = no Air America.

N328KF · Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:07 am

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 7):
Comcast bought NBC last year.

No, that's not true. Comcast signed an agreement with NBC to merge its broadcasting assets with NBC Universal, and Comcast and GE will jointly own the resulting firm (to also be called "NBC Universal.") However, regulatory approval is still pending and there is a little bit of doubt surrounding that (though not a huge amount.)

Until that approval is granted, the agreement states that GE will continue to exercise full control.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:53 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule.

I don't find it "disturbing" at all. I see it as the free market taking its course. San747 hits the nail on the head here.

Quoting San747 (Reply 5):

That's fine. That's what the free market is all about. I'm as liberal as they come, you know that, but if Air America couldn't get a big enough audience to become profitable, then this is what's supposed to happen.

LTBEWR, if you want these radio stations, its up to you to do a better job of supporting them when they are in business.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
Could someone please explain this to me?

Could someone explain why you're discussing the SCOTUS decision on campaign contributions when there is currently an entire thread dedicated to it right now?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
So, what they are really saying is: the electorate should be informed as long as they listen to only the right wing.

We're saying that if your (liberal) radio stations aren't good enough to stay in business, well, they shouldn't stay in business. If your message doesn't attract an audience (or the people delivering your message can't attract an audience), that's your problem, not the successful conservative talk stations.

flanker · Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:09 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the

Very sad.

[Edited 2010-01-24 01:12:28 by flanker]

seb146 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:32 pm

Quoting Flanker (Reply 23):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the

Very sad

It is very sad that any other opinion from what the right-wing is throwing out there is simply dismissed as propoganda and anti-American. Anyone speaking out against the right wing gets this kind of treatment. The whole "no opinion is not worthy unless it is a right-wing opinion."

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 22):
If your message doesn't attract an audience (or the people delivering your message can't attract an audience), that's your problem, not the successful conservative talk stations.

One of the problems I have seen, from growing up in a rural/conservative area of the country is: they have no where else to get other sides of the story from. My brother, his neigbors, co-workers, and in-laws are all die-hard conservatives. Not a big deal. However, the way they make their point is the exact way points are made by the righties anywhere else in the country: Keep pushing and pushing louder and louder the points the right-wing talkers have been repeating. Any other facts or angles are simply propoganda and not worthy of considering.

I noticed, looking back, the whole right-wing talk radio think really took off under the Clinton witch hunt. Doing everythign they could to discredit the then-president. They were doing everything in their power to remove him from office no matter what. "Conservative" radio hosts like Limbaugh just happened to be there. Everyone kept hammering away until Clinton was brought up on impeachment charges. Any time anyone pointed out "is what he lied about really a good reason to remove him from office" the response from every rightie is "He lied!" because, IMO, that is how they are conditioned to respond to that whole era. And, it continues to this day.

National757 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:06 pm

What a bad week for Liberals Big grin

I agree about NPR though.. by far the best news reporting on the radio in the US. No one else comes close IMO

FlyDeltaJets87 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:08 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
It is very sad that any other opinion from what the right-wing is throwing out there is simply dismissed as propoganda and anti-American. Anyone speaking out against the right wing gets this kind of treatment. The whole "no opinion is not worthy unless it is a right-wing opinion"

What's sad is that you think people should be forced to hear your opinion and that you think people being forced to hear your opinion will change their mind (Here's a hint: forcing people to do stuff usually only pisses them off and turns them more against it). How about you just get a better message or do a better job of presenting your message and then maybe more people will start to listen to your opinion. Nah, never mind. That can't be right.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
Doing everythign they could to discredit the then-president.

But liberals never even once tried to discredit George Bush or called for his impeachment. *sarcasm*

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
Any time anyone pointed out "is what he lied about really a good reason to remove him from office" the response from every rightie is "He lied!" because, IMO, that is how they are conditioned to respond to that whole era. And, it continues to this day.

He lied under oath. In case you're unaware of legal terms, that's called "perjury" and it's against the law to do that. sarcastic

Quoting Flanker (Reply 23):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the

Very sad.

Based on the way Seb146 thinks and posts on here, I think Seb146 really means "They should be forced to hear both sides if the side they hear first is the conservative side. But if they only hear the liberal side, that's okay."

OA412 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:41 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
He lied under oath. In case you're unaware of legal terms, that's called "perjury" and it's against the law to do that.

He absolutely did, but are we really going to argue that the reason behind the "witch hunt" was the fact that he lied under oath? Perhaps it was for some people, but the majority were more concerned about his personal life and the fact that he had an affair than that he had lied under oath.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:54 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
He absolutely did, but are we really going to argue that the reason behind the "witch hunt" was the fact that he lied under oath? Perhaps it was for some people, but the majority were more concerned about his personal life and the fact that he had an affair than that he had lied under oath.

Well I guess it's up to you to prove if you want to make that point. But since we in the military can be subject to court-martial for adultery (Article 134 of the UCMJ), I don't see why the Commander-in-Chief should be exempt. Leadership starts at the top of the chain of command. But we're probably getting off topic as far as this thread is concerned, so I'll offer you the last word on the subject for this thread and then we can continue the discussion in another thread where it's more relevant some other time. Smile

OA412 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:05 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 28):
so I'll offer you the last word

You're too kind! Smile

My sense from what was going on at the time is that more people were interested in the sex part of the equation than in the perjury part. Honestly, I don't know that anyone could ever conclusively prove either point. I agree about the top/down situation you mention and that no one should be exempt from punishment. I just think that in the grand scheme of things, lying about an affair isn't really all that earth shattering when you consider how many people cheat and then lie about it. And I did find it ironic that some of the people who were most rabidly against him at the time turned out to have had affairs themselves. He certainly shouldn't have lied to a court of law, but then who wouldn't lie about having had an affair with Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? sly

FlyDeltaJets87 · Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:10 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 29):
He certainly shouldn't have lied to a court of law, but then who wouldn't lie about having had an affair with Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky?

Touche.

seb146 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:57 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
He lied under oath. In case you're unaware of legal terms, that's called "perjury" and it's against the law to do that.

Perfectly played into my hands. Listen very closely: We all know he lied. We all accept that. However, did the punishment fit the crime? Should a cashier at Mc Donalds be arrested for being 10 cents short on a till? Should a UA pilot be stripped of his flying certificate for life if his flight is 5 minutes late arriving? Should a soldier be dishonorably discharged if there is a wrinkle in his/her bed? That was/is the problem everyone else had with that witch hunt.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
(Here's a hint: forcing people to do stuff usually only pisses them off and turns them more against it). How about you just get a better message or do a better job of presenting your message and then maybe more people will start to listen to your opinion. Nah, never mind. That can't be right.

It was good enough for us up until Reagan.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
"They should be forced to hear both sides if the side they hear first is the conservative side. But if they only hear the liberal side, that's okay."

Uh.... when, exactly did I say that? I take what the righties on the radio say and some of the righties on this board with a HUGE grain of salt. When I hear something there or FOX, I do balance it out instead of just sitting back and saying "Yep. That is why we real Americans hate them Dems!" like the righties love to do.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:06 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Should a cashier at Mc Donalds be arrested for being 10 cents short on a till? Should a UA pilot be stripped of his flying certificate for life if his flight is 5 minutes late arriving? Should a soldier be dishonorably discharged if there is a wrinkle in his/her bed?

OA412 and I have moved on from this topic since it's not on topic with the OP. Besides, with that logic you're using, it's not even worth a thought-out response. In fact, it's not even worth responding to or reading the rest of your post, so I'm not going to. I mean really? A wrinkle in the bed is comparable to perjury? Seriously?!?!? Perhaps you could take notes from OA412 on forming a logical argument, especially on this subject.

sasd209 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:44 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 5):
That's fine. That's what the free market is all about. I'm as liberal as they come, you know that, but if Air America couldn't get a big enough audience to become profitable, then this is what's supposed to happen.

I agree with this statement; the audience ultimately decides what is a viable business venture.

flanker · Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:18 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
It is very sad that any other opinion from what the right-wing is throwing out there is simply dismissed as propoganda and anti-American. Anyone speaking out against the right wing gets this kind of treatment. The whole "no opinion is not worthy unless it is a right-wing opinion."

Okay Chavez take it easy. Your ideology can never succeed without lies,deceit and what you call "force". No wonder liberal radio fails. Whether its liberal or conservative ideology, people should be able to freely choose what they listen to. This idea of yours that people should be forced is simply ridiculous ad shows the nature of the left. If you want to win over people then go out there and do it in a coherent manner and articulate your point..Thats the only way.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 26):
Based on the way Seb146 thinks and posts on here, I think Seb146 really means "They should be forced to hear both sides if the side they hear first is the conservative side. But if they only hear the liberal side, that's okay.

Yep.

cirrusdriver · Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:49 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Air America Radio closing, filing for bankruptcy

Its Bush's fault.....(sarcasm)

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Perfectly played into my hands. Listen very closely: We all know he lied. We all accept that. However, did the punishment fit the crime? Should a cashier at Mc Donalds be arrested for being 10 cents short on a till? Should a UA pilot be stripped of his flying certificate for life if his flight is 5 minutes late arriving? Should a soldier be dishonorably discharged if there is a wrinkle in his/her bed? That was/is the problem everyone else had with that witch hunt.

Whaa?? That is it? Come on man, you have to pull out bigger guns than that if we are going to win this argument! Big grin

texan · Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:04 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Or that some people prefer not to get their news from fear-mongering talking heads. I tried listening to it a couple of times, but all I ever heard were people sounding like left wing Limbaughs. And I stop paying attention to idiots like that, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.

Talking with many of the "liberals" I know, they have all agreed that they don't ant to hear people yelling and they don't want to be told what to think. They want to hear about what is going on in a reasonable manner and hear a debate on the issue, and only the issue. That is not what the overwhelming majority of talk radio does.

Plus, if you complain about how Limbaugh et al do their shticks, why would you listen to someone who did the same thing just with different views? It would be highly hypocritical.

We need more reasoned debate in the country, and these talking heads are just getting in the way and trying to scare people and yell. It is annoying. Goodbye Air America and I wish you would take the rest of the fear mongers with you.

Texan

seb146 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:30 pm

Quoting Flanker (Reply 34):
Okay Chavez take it easy.

That's it. Stoop to charicter assasination when you want to feel superior.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 34):
Your ideology can never succeed without lies,deceit and what you call "force". No wonder liberal radio fails.

Substitute the word "liberal" for "conservative" and we can talk honestly.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 34):
If you want to win over people then go out there and do it in a coherent manner and articulate your point..Thats the only way.

Listen to "conservative" radio ever? But, when people are used to being told what to think, I guess I could not expect any less....

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 32):
A wrinkle in the bed is comparable to perjury? Seriously?!?!?

Did you even read where I wrote "We all know he lied. We all accept that."? I don't think you did. My whole point is: Is removing someone from office over something that had absolutly nothing to do with national security or money laundering or murder or wire tapping or starting a war under false pretenses. All we were trying to say (that the sheeple on the right will never understand) is let the punishment fit the crime. Especially when it involves our (taxpayer) dollars being spent so long on a witch hunt. The right is so conserned with frivolous spending, but trying to remove Clinton for any reason and at any cost was acceptable?

JBirdAV8r · Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:58 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Perfectly played into my hands. Listen very closely: We all know he lied. We all accept that. However, did the punishment fit the crime? Should a cashier at Mc Donalds be arrested for being 10 cents short on a till? Should a UA pilot be stripped of his flying certificate for life if his flight is 5 minutes late arriving? Should a soldier be dishonorably discharged if there is a wrinkle in his/her bed? That was/is the problem everyone else had with that witch hunt.

All straw men.

The correct comparison:

What would happen to me, in court, if I perjured my testimony?

FlyDeltaJets87 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:25 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 37):
That's it. Stoop to charicter assasination when you want to feel superior.

Says the guy who's comparing perjury to leaving a wrinkle in the bed or parking the airplane 5 minutes late at the gate. sarcastic

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 37):
My whole point is

A point you failed in making because it was such a ridiculous comparison, that about the only thing it was good for was a laugh and for nothing else. It certainly wasn't useful for making an argument. And God knows if Rush Limbaugh or any other conservative radio host had made such a comparison, you'd probably be one of the first ones on here making a fuss about what a ridiculous comparison Limbaugh made, and how this demonstrates how conservatives will reach and grasp at anything to make their point. But what we've just discovered here is that you're no better (in fact, probably worse) than the conservative media outlets you preach against. Thanks for continuing to give us reason not to take your posts seriously and to treat them as the laugh-providers that they are. wave

CALTECH · Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:40 pm

Quoting Flanker (Reply 34):
No wonder liberal radio fails.

Nobody listens to it. What is so ironic, is that no one wants to listen to it, but when liberals talk and move to the center to get elected, some people fall for this hope and change. Then reality bites, and it's throw the bums out. Too bad the media can't be voted out every few years. It is the same tired liberal arguments and meddling in others' lives that we have to listen to over and over.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 34):
Whether its liberal or conservative ideology, people should be able to freely choose what they listen to. This idea of yours that people should be forced is simply ridiculous ad shows the nature of the left.

Freely choose, that is the way it should be. Don't like it, don't listen. Isn't that what many liberals say about T.V., don't watch if you do not like the program or are offended by it. Liberals will still try to muzzle conservative radio hosts. These new 'progressives' or socialists sound so much like communists of the last century .

OA412 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:56 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 40):
What is so ironic, is that no one wants to listen to it

Yeah absolutely no one does. Yeah sure

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 40):
It is the same tired liberal arguments and meddling in others' lives that we have to listen to over and over.

Last I checked, it's not liberals voting against gay marriage in droves. Would you not consider banning gay marriage to be "meddling in others' lives"?

luckyone · Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:20 pm

I am waiting for the "too smart for the market" or "they just didn't get it" or "victim of bad marketing" blah blah blah excuses instead of just admitting that they laid a large osterich-sized egg.

Maverick623 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:40 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):

It is very sad that any other opinion from what the right-wing is throwing out there is simply dismissed as propoganda and anti-American.

And it's very sad that you think people should be forced to carry another viewpoint, namely yours.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
One of the problems I have seen, from growing up in a rural/conservative area of the country is: they have no where else to get other sides of the story from.

Bull honky. Ever hear of the internet? Guess what.... you can get it in every single town in the US.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
My brother, his neigbors, co-workers, and in-laws are all die-hard conservatives. Not a big deal. However, the way they make their point is the exact way points are made by the righties anywhere else in the country: Keep pushing and pushing louder and louder the points the right-wing talkers have been repeating. Any other facts or angles are simply propoganda and not worthy of considering.

Flip "conservatives" with "liberals" and "righties" with "lefties", and you have the same exact thing happening.

For the record, before you dismiss me as having some agenda, my political views fall somewhere between independent and libertarian.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
Any time anyone pointed out "is what he lied about really a good reason to remove him from office" the response from every rightie is "He lied!" because, IMO, that is how they are conditioned to respond to that whole era. And, it continues to this day.

Yes, he lied. Under oath. In a court of law. I don't care whether people think adultery is right or wrong. By itself, certainly not an impeachable offense.

But IIRC, he was brought before the court to explain sexual harrasment charges, of which the affairs were relevant information.

So, basically, you're willing to ignore a serious workplace issue because of party lines. Nicely done.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Should a cashier at Mc Donalds be arrested for being 10 cents short on a till?

No, but they should be fired for lying about having sex with a co-worker on the prep table.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Should a UA pilot be stripped of his flying certificate for life if his flight is 5 minutes late arriving?

No, but he should be fired if he lies about having sex with a flight attendant in the cockpit.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Should a soldier be dishonorably discharged if there is a wrinkle in his/her bed?

No, but he should be discharged if he lies during a Court Martial.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 37):
Is removing someone from office over something that had absolutly nothing to do with national security or money laundering or murder or wire tapping or starting a war under false pretenses.

It had everything to do with public trust, which is a basic expectation of public officials. In fact, directly breaching the public trust is a crime in most jurisdictions.

Whether you like it or not, perjury is a crime.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 37):
sheeple

Thank you for that meaningless word. Yeah sure

BAKJet · Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:02 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
MSNBC trails both CNN and FOX in cable news.

But, the Rachel Maddow Show and Countdown with Keith Olberman were the only 2 cable news show to exceed expectations in 2008 (at least thats what Keith Olberman said on one of his shows). In Addition, Countdown with Keith Olberman is the 10th most watched cable news show with 1,327,000 viewers. Also, the Rachel Maddow Show was the 16th most watched cable news show.

[Edited 2010-01-25 14:04:37]

flanker · Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:20 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 37):
That's it. Stoop to charicter assasination when you want to feel superior.

Don't get your balls all twisted up. It was a joke. I was poking fun at the fact that you want to force your views on someone else.

seb146 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:53 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 43):
And it's very sad that you think people should be forced to carry another viewpoint, namely yours.

Well, when anyone even thinks about saying FOX news is even slightly biased, the howls from the right of all the knickers getting in a twist is deafaning. How dare anyone even begin to think that FOX news is "conservative" and we should all just bow down before the all-knowing FOX news. That is the same BS we are fed on any political story.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 43):
But IIRC, he was brought before the court to explain sexual harrasment charges, of which the affairs were relevant information.

So, basically, you're willing to ignore a serious workplace issue because of party lines. Nicely done.

And, how many times has everyone said "yes, he lied and should have been punished but impeachement was not fitting of the crime?" We all agree he lied. We all agree he should have been punished. We all acknowledge that. We never had a problem with that. But, what we did have a problem with was the huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars spend on something so idiotic to get a popular president removed from office just because of...... what? Why were they trying to remove him from office?

seb146 · Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:58 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 43):
Flip "conservatives" with "liberals" and "righties" with "lefties", and you have the same exact thing happening.

For the record, before you dismiss me as having some agenda, my political views fall somewhere between independent and libertarian.

I think that is simply what you see or hear. I assume you have only heard Mike Malloy. He does that way too often. He is very irritating. I have heard Randi Rhodes scream because the caller is repeating the same thing over and over and not listening to anything she has to say. Maddow? Never heard her do it. Olbermann does it out of passion much like Beck "cried" over this country. I have heard Hannity do it. I have heard Coulter do it. I have heard Rush do it. I have heard O'Reilly do it.

I actually like Maddow and Rhodes because they pull the old "Rush/Hannity/Coulter said XYZ, but when we dug deeper, we found that was only half-true/outright lie." Yes, the other side does it too. But, what the righties fail to acknowledge is: THEIR SIDE DOES IT TOO!!!!!!

JBirdAV8r · Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:59 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 47):
Olbermann does it out of passion much like Beck "cried" over this country. I have heard Hannity do it. I have heard Coulter do it. I have heard Rush do it. I have heard O'Reilly do it.

I've never heard a right-wing host launch into a massive stream of ad hominems like Keith Olbermann the other day, calling Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees."

Such extremism smacks of a deeper underlying problem with KO than just "passion."

dxing · Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:06 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 24):
Any other facts or angles are simply propoganda and not worthy of considering.

Gosh, if they had only picked up a couple of corporate sponsorships, duh what am I thinking, you have to have listners for that to happen!

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