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A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:37 am

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Sep09/1...he_2010_Mercedes_Benz_E_Class.html

Whoever said you can't have practical and fun to drive cars? They obviously didn't think of this machine out of Germany.  Smile If you can look past the frankly vulgar exterior - the rest is quite nice.

Especially the 1047lb/ft torque output, at 2100rpm. Add 800hp and you have one serious E-Class.

The price is equally astonishing.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:42 pm



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To help the E V12 cope with its newfound power, a heavily modified aerodynamic package has been fitted, ranging from new front and rear aprons and fenders to special cowlings in the rear BRABUS calls "Speed Spads," with the ultimate goal of course to streamline airflow while providing additional cooling to the various components.

Is this really necessary? I understand the necessity on a Jag XJR9 or 12 at Le Mans, but for a road car, what's the point? Do you really reach 230 mph daily?

And then it looks damn ugly!!

Otherwise, it looks like a fine piece of engineering. As usual with Brabus!
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:01 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
then it looks damn ugly!!



Quoting Cpd (Thread starter):
If you can look past the frankly vulgar exterior - the rest is quite nice.

Maybe that is why it can go by you at 230 MPH??? So you cannot get a good look at it, just a black streak flashing by all those VW bugs on the Autobaun.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:32 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Maybe that is why it can go by you at 230 MPH???

I have no doubt about it. But I'd rather have a max speed of 200 mph and have these "speed spads" off the car.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:51 pm

The rear of the car with those speed spads look like something taken from a Mad Max movie. Beyond ugly I might add.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
Is this really necessary? I understand the necessity on a Jag XJR9 or 12 at Le Mans, but for a road car, what's the point? Do you really reach 230 mph daily?

I agree fully here. This is a street car, built for the street, and if those speed spads are to make other drivers "scared", I bet most other drivers wouldn't even know the purpose of these covers.
The car is damn nice until you reach the rear, where I just went  vomit 

My last car was a -07 RS4. And I would take that one back any second over this Brabus, cause it's just too much.

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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:46 pm

OMG, what a vulgar, tacky pimpmobile (successful pimp though)....
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:15 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
I have no doubt about it. But I'd rather have a max speed of 200 mph and have these "speed spads" off the car.

There is a version without those aerodynamic fittings over the rear wheels, which is called the Brabus E V12 with "only" 740 bhp and 217mph topspeed.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:24 pm



Quoting Marquis (Reply 6):
There is a version without those aerodynamic fittings over the rear wheels, which is called the Brabus E V12 with "only" 740 bhp and 217mph topspeed.

Deal! Where do I sign? Big grin
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:46 pm

I dunno; at first blush, it's kind of a pig. A whole 3.7 seconds to 62 mph? For that money?

Done better than that over two decades ago with stove-bolt Detroit Iron. The deal is, there was only one person in my car (me) and I'll bet my last beer that this "fast family sedan" only had one person (the test driver) in that car for these tests. Stuff in three more average peoples-type people for an additional 480 lbs or so and you'd probably get to 62 mph only a bit quicker than a load of rednecks in the old Dukes of Hazard Dodge.

No doubt this machine stops and handles better than some current worldwide offerings, but by the same token, I think it's sort of a "ho-hum" deal. I'm not badmouthing the vehicle or the purchasers per se, I just think it's sort of ...well...goofy.

BTW; I agree with those of you above that thinks the car "sucks" appearance-wise. Off my rant, best regards...jack
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:52 am



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 8):
A whole 3.7 seconds to 62 mph? For that money?

The limiting factor here is probably traction.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:16 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
The limiting factor here is probably traction.

I remember the last time TopGear tested a hot Brabus, and that was indeed the major problem, and also the traction control simply could not handle the power.

The power is needed for top speed, not for acceleration.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:30 am



Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 5):
OMG, what a vulgar, tacky pimpmobile (successful pimp though)....

No.
Pimps prefer 2-door coupes instead.

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 8):
I dunno; at first blush, it's kind of a pig. A whole 3.7 seconds to 62 mph? For that money?

Done better than that over two decades ago with stove-bolt Detroit Iron.

I was thinking the same. The 1969 Dodge Polara comes to mind and that was a family car too.
You can get a Chrysler 300C SRT8 for a lot less with stats that come pretty close to this thing.
That is also a family car.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:55 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
You can get a Chrysler 300C SRT8 for a lot less with stats that come pretty close to this thing.
That is also a family car.

Close?

425bhp, 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, 420lb/ft of torque. Yes, that's fairly brisk for a family car but not even remotely close to the Brabus machine or any performance vehicle that doesn't require massive body adjustments. A Mercedes E63 has a 4.0 sec 0-60, 460lb/ft torque (a little puny, I'll agree) and 520bhp. That's a bit more serious, and before you step up to MB's V12TT monsters like the S65 or CL65 that also qualify as family runabouts.

These high end performance vehicles have always been a case of diminishing returns. You spend several times the price to shave a second or so off the 0-60 or buy yourself another 100lb/ft of torque.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:12 am



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 12):
These high end performance vehicles have always been a case of diminishing returns. You spend several times the price to shave a second or so off the 0-60 or buy yourself another 100lb/ft of torque.

Good point.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:18 pm



Quoting Cpd (Thread starter):

Whoever said you can't have practical and fun to drive cars?

Exciting...fun...family car... sure. But practical? That is a stretch, even for those who can afford it!
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:18 pm

I wonder how much miles or Km does one full tank 80L+9L reserve in this E-Class covers?
I can do about 710 miles or 1100km im my car with 55-58L which is slightly over 10x times less power than this Brabus. I reckon the max range for this E-Class is around 100 miles or 160km.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:56 am

You should buy it now! Before it's too late.

It is only approved to the old "EURO IV emission standard". When will it be mandotory for new cars to fulfill the EURO V standard, is it 1st Jan 2011 or 2012 ?

As being only a EURO IV car there are already many cities in which this car is forbidden because it is too smokey. But then it has the power to pull a trailer, on which you can put a VW Golf or some other good EURO V car, in which you can drive to town.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:14 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
The limiting factor here is probably traction.

Exactly right.

Brabus can make the Gelandewagen do 0-62mph in 4.3sec - so traction, or lack of it is the obvious culprit. Once above 100mph, these Brabus V12 cars are rockets.

Even the standard AMG 65 series cars suffer from lack of traction - let alone Brabus unleashing even more power and torque from the engines.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 12):

425bhp, 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, 420lb/ft of torque.

Just a little bit more than half the horsepower, but less than half the torque output. The Brabus probably has 420lb/ft of torque at idle!  I'd say the 300C comparison is a bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight!

[Edited 2010-01-24 18:15:45 by cpd]

[Edited 2010-01-24 18:16:51 by cpd]
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:39 am

Here in America, this stuff is so pointless. I have a 200hp car that's way, way too fast for me, and I drive faster than most people.

So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do? In America, nothing. It just wastes gas.

It's like an airline buying a jet with too much power. Operationally, it never gets used.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:53 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Here in America, this stuff is so pointless. I have a 200hp car that's way, way too fast for me, and I drive faster than most people.

So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do? In America, nothing. It just wastes gas.

It's like an airline buying a jet with too much power. Operationally, it never gets used.

If you're ever in my neck of the woods I'll take you out for a spin in my car. Just shy of 500bhp, 590lb/ft torque, then you'll see why people buy quick cars  biggrin 

Also there are some benefits to bigger engines. My car has a V12 engine which is incredibly smooth when you drive it normally. It reminds me of a Jeremy Clarkson quote, 'it is like smearing honey into Keira Knightley'  bigthumbsup 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:53 am

No, we'll all never have one, but it sure is nice to dream!!!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):

Done better than that over two decades ago with stove-bolt Detroit Iron.

I was thinking the same. The 1969 Dodge Polara comes to mind and that was a family car too.

When I was in high school in the late 70's, a popular thing to do was get the old police cars, Dodge Polara's with 440 Six Packs and others, can't remember which ones, help me out here Superfly! There was one Ford model with a 429 CID that was also pretty popular.

Anyway, guys would get these cars at auctions or from private individuals and take out the motor and the tranny, junk the rest and then rebuild or soup them up and put them in Mustangs, Chargers or hot rods for the Quarter Mile etc. Cheap hi performance!
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:56 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do?

Flighty, who needs a 200 hp car? I used to drive an 85 hp Suzuki Baleno in the old country at speeds that would make me a public enemy here in Ontario...
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:10 am



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 21):
Flighty, who needs a 200 hp car? I used to drive an 85 hp Suzuki Baleno in the old country at speeds that would make me a public enemy here in Ontario...

You're right. 85hp is plenty for most driving. It is fun driving a small Toyota or something with 100 horsepower or less. You really get to use the machine then!
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:32 am

Should have gave it 3000 horsepower and a top speed of 400 mph, wouldn't make a difference, it's no use. No one will drive one of these at a race track and no one will drive 200 mph on the street.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:08 am



Quoting T prop (Reply 23):
Should have gave it 3000 horsepower and a top speed of 400 mph, wouldn't make a difference, it's no use. No one will drive one of these at a race track and no one will drive 200 mph on the street.

Doesn't that go for pretty much every other supercar, yet a lot of people still lust for them.

I'd say something like this or a slightly toned down Brabus is more practical than pretty much any Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani or whatever. Having a car where a lot of power can be brought out whilst at 50-70mph is very useful in real day driving; the ability to pass a slow car in front, sneak into a gap is more practical than straight line 0-60 speed.

Ignoring that hasn't humanity thrived off pushing the boundaries; the conception of Concorde when everyone was nipping about in propellor driven aircraft, Columbus finding the new world, building the Burj Khalifa...
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:35 am

If you want a fast family car get a 03 RS6.  Smile

They are cheap (relative to what they were). You can find them for less than 30 grand.

I used to drive them often. FANTASTIC vehicle.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:35 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Here in America, this stuff is so pointless. I have a 200hp car that's way, way too fast for me, and I drive faster than most people.

So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do? In America, nothing. It just wastes gas.

It's like an airline buying a jet with too much power. Operationally, it never gets used.

I have (only) a 180bhp car, and I have used both max power/torque band on my way to Work this morning ([email protected] [email protected]) and I use it regularly - it's a dose of sanity in a world that is trying to take the fun/pleasurable stuff out of life. There's such a thing as too much weight in a car, but I certainly don't have a problem with having a powerful engine.. If I had 400bhp I'd use that too, I don't care about fuel bills - Going for an early morning blast on my way to work is my entertainment as well, the only concern is dodging over-judicious cops intent on meeting their monthly quota.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:42 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do? In America, nothing. It just wastes gas.

Its a CHOICE. People have the freedom (for how long i dont know) to buy what they want. If you have the money to own one then buy a Veyron or a LP640. Has nothing to do with practicality. Its just a life choice.

And on the other hand, If i buy a car with 450HP then I am buying it to have fun. I could care less about the gas. Its coming out of my own pocket.
 
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:48 am

Although many of us sees it as a pointless car to drive, let alone own, this thing is a collectors item that the owners most likely will drive very occasional. And those who will buy them can afford to have them standing in their garage among their other cars.
Would not surprise me if Leno is one of the buyers.

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RE: A Fast Family Car

Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:01 pm



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 16):
You should buy it now! Before it's too late.

It is only approved to the old "EURO IV emission standard". When will it be mandotory for new cars to fulfill the EURO V standard, is it 1st Jan 2011 or 2012 ?

IIRC it has already been in force for new cars for some months now. Existing cars to follow this or next year.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Here in America, this stuff is so pointless. I have a 200hp car that's way, way too fast for me, and I drive faster than most people.

So who needs a 400hp car? What can it do? In America, nothing. It just wastes gas.

That's how the luyury car makers generate their profits: Build cars that nobody needs, but which many people WANT anyway.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:54 am



Quoting T prop (Reply 23):
Should have gave it 3000 horsepower and a top speed of 400 mph...

That car exists - MB T80 - but that was 70 years ago. I have seen it at the Mercedes-Benz Museum in Stutgart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_T80

But since neither the BRABUS E V12, nor the MB T80 have been offered as station wagons, then none of them ever cought my interest.
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RE: A Fast Family Car

Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:38 am



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 20):
Dodge Polara's with 440 Six Packs and others, can't remember which ones, help me out here Superfly! There was one Ford model with a 429 CID that was also pretty popular.

That would be the Ford Galaxie 500, Custom 500 or LTD.
All are the same car but different trim.
The Mercury Marauder and Marquis was the Mercury variant.
My Lincoln Town Car has the 460cu" which is the same block as the 429cu".
It'll have all the performance specs of those early 1970 squad cars when I am done with my restoration project.  yes 

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 20):
Anyway, guys would get these cars at auctions or from private individuals and take out the motor and the tranny, junk the rest and then rebuild or soup them up and put them in Mustangs, Chargers or hot rods for the Quarter Mile etc. Cheap hi performance!

Smart move.
That can still be done today with the current generation Ford Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor which has had the same 4.6 liter V8 engine & transmission since 1992.
That bolts in perfectly to the Ford Mustang models from 1995 and newer.
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