Health Care Reform Passed!

Yellowstone · Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:58 am

Woohoo! 219-212 in favor in the House to approve the Senate HCR bill. Vote on reconciliation measures coming up later tonight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...alth.care.latest/index.html?hpt=T1

futurepilot16 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:02 am

. Great job to our gov't. every republican voted Nay? Didn't see that coming.

tz757300 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:03 am

My life has been unwillingly voted to the devil, on the flip side, maybe my pay towards benefits will be switched back to me since health care is "guaranteed."

OA412 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:07 am

It's about time this happened.

texan · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:08 am

While it is a step in the right direction, this bill does not cover enough people and doesn't seem to do anything to lower costs immediately. Maybe that is just my understanding. Good job on passing the bill, but I sure wish they would have tried to push through something stronger.

Texan

OA412 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 am

Quoting texan (Reply 4):
Good job on passing the bill, but I sure wish they would have tried to push through something stronger.

I agree. I definitely wish this went much farther than it does. Still it's nice to see some reform.

ltbewr · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:11 am

Despite the passage of the Senate bill, the related bill vote to require reconciliation is becoming a major battle point by Republicans, especially as to Abortion and any use of Federal monies to pay for them, even indirectly. Despite the bill being passed tonight, it still faces massive challanges, dirty politics and probably many millions in lobbying. Worse, it will delay doing the right thing - to make sure everyone has access to affordable health care.

Yellowstone · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:11 am

Quoting texan (Reply 4):
While it is a step in the right direction, this bill does not cover enough people and doesn't seem to do anything to lower costs immediately.

Re: lowering costs - yes, the bill as a whole doesn't, but that's because it balances one necessary but cost-increasing step (banning pre-existing condition discrimination) with a cost-mitigating step (the individual mandate). Together, they about cancel out. But yeah, cost control is the next big step.

Also - the solution that was worked out to the abortion question was that Obama will sign an executive order forbidding the use of federal funds for abortion. NOW and NARAL are pissed about it, but the Republicans are arguing that an executive order is easily changed later on and is therefore insufficient protection against federally funded abortions. Just goes to show that a good compromise is one where both sides are angry about it. Smile

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sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:11 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Thread starter):
Woohoo! 219-212 in favor in the House to approve the Senate HCR bill. Vote on reconciliation measures coming up later tonight.

Yeah wait until you get the bill in a few years. Passing off a bill as "Deficit reduction" by using sham accounting is something that will have to be reckoned with one day, sooner than later. Nothing like collecting revenues for the first 4 years to cover up the fact it will cost the taxpayers a fortune, and that's not even accounting the Medicare Doctor Fix cuts that they'll have to pass...

Klaus · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:12 am

Congratulations on this difficult, but ultimately successful birth!

UAL747 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:13 am

I'm wondering who yelled, "BABYKILLER!" - Joe Wilson Moment.

MSPNWA · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:14 am

Yippee. More of my freedom taken away. I can't wait to get to the hospital.

Hopefully the courts will do their part in the triangle of power and defeat the sickeningly unconstitutional bill.

sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:18 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 11):
Yippee. More of my freedom taken away. I can't wait to get to the hospital.

The funny part will be when 15 or so million people who are forced onto Medicaid because of this bill get a rude introduction to doctors who refuse the insurance and underfunded mandates from the States...That's the reason States are furious over this bill because they will be left with a huge tab.

Ken777 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:21 am

There has now been a vote for the Senate Bill in both houses and this bill will go to the President. Legally he could sign it in the next few minutes, but believe he will wait until some supporters are able to come to the White House.

The House will soon vote on the :Fix It" Bill, which will include reform of student loans as well as the House's changes for the Senate Bill. There has been a letter signed by 50+ Democrat Senators assuring the House of their support. Those against the Bill can delay the reconciliation, but they cannot beat it.

Essentially all this means is that there has been a start at changing health care in this country. There are a lot of different opinions on this, but I believe this step provides a more suitable foundation for changes that will come from both sides of the aisle in the future.

I would also note that this vote is a huge victory for the first woman to be the Speaker of the House. Like her or hate her she has achieve a historic victory, and will go down in history as such.

stasisLAX · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:22 am

Let the Tea Partyers begin with cries of socialism, and godless babykillers in ten, nine, eight......

The U.S, now joins other highly developed nations with a healthcare plan that will allow for coverage of ALL of it's citizens, despite their pre-existing conditions and makes coverage available based on their ability to pay - sounds alot like a 40 year old program called Medi-Care, doesn't it. Now the fools in Washington can focus on getting the US economy moving again.... oh wait, its an election year.... nevermind!

iwenttoYXEonce · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:23 am

Yeah, health care for the people with bankrupt America. The U.S. now will have less money to fight wars.

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gatorfan · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:23 am

Anyone want to bet that 10 years from today, we'll see that the estimates on the cost of this were wrong by a factor of more than 100%?

texan · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:25 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
We will also see increased medical tourism and a black market develop in this country.

I don't think we read the same bill . . .

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
And this doesn't even get into the unethical practices that the democrats used to ram this travesty to this point.

I wish the Democrats had not used that procedure. And I wish the Republicans hadn't used it dozens of times when they were in power either.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
The US goverment has effectively taken over 1/5th of the economy of this country.

How? There is not even a public option in this plan.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Obama is not my president, he is a socialist piece of scum and an parriah on the nation. I will hate him untill he dying day.

Feel free to leave anytime you want. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Obama is not a socialist. This bill is more conservative than Republicans like Romney, McCain, and Nixon proposed. This isn't even a moderate bill. Read up on history, then come back and talk. Don't like him? Fine. That is your right.

Texan

sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:25 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
The US goverment has effectively taken over 1/5th of the economy of this country. We can look forward to worse health care service, less invovation in medicines and techniques, much higher taxes and rationing of what services are better.

They already had a large role in it with Medicaid, Medicare, S-CHIP, so it's essentially more of the same. They're essentially shoving 15 million people on Medicaid and forcing the rest to buy insurance. It's a parrot of RomneyCare in Massachusetts that has MA residents paying the highest premiums in the US.

I'd be more concerned with the trend. First the Mortgage/Housing Markets, the Auto Industry, Healthcare, and next up is the Student Loan industry. There's nothing wrong with have social services/benefits, but in an era of multi-trillion dollar deficits, people have to be fools to believe the international community is going keep buying our Debt. The emperor has no clothes and people here don't want to face up to that fact yet...

With the deficits what they are, our day of reckoning is coming soon.

WarRI1 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:26 am

The party of no has been told no, you canot kill this bill. I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi, but she got the job done. The move to re-submit has failed also. On to the Senate and then the President.

PPVRA · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:26 am

Quoting iwenttoYXEonce (Reply 16):
The U.S. now will have less money to fight wars.

Now that may be a positive thing. Well, maybe not with Bernanke at the printing presses. . .

airtran737 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:27 am

It's a sad day for America. I can't even do describe my contempt for those who passed this bill.

UAL747 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:28 am

If I could just take a phrase from the conservatives during the Iraq war and Bush administration:

"IF you don't like it, than you can just GET OUT!"

Have a nice evening.

wolbo · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:29 am

Yes you can!!

Congratulations to President Obama for making the US a more civilised country and for standing firm against the despicable campaign of fear mongering and intimidation waged by the Republican right wing.

True Presidential leadership in action.

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Ken777 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:29 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
The US goverment has effectively taken over 1/5th of the economy of this country. We can look forward to worse health care service, less invovation in medicines and techniques, much higher taxes and rationing of what services are better.

The call of misery is 16%, not 20%. And the 16% conveniently ignores the federal dollars going to medical care for the people. What have we got?

- Medicare paymetns
- Medicaid paymetns
- VA Médical
- Children's Health
- Indian Health Clinics
- Government employee health insurance
- Military Health

We're paying out far more than we think.

ATTart · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:29 am

A great day in America!!

OA412 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:30 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
This is a very sad day for America.

Yes what a sad day indeed when people in this country don't have to worry about whether or not they will have health insurance.

Quoting texan (Reply 18):
Feel free to leave anytime you want. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Obama is not a socialist. This bill is more conservative than Republicans like Romney, McCain, and Nixon proposed. This isn't even a moderate bill. Read up on history, then come back and talk. Don't like him? Fine. That is your right.

STT757 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:30 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
I will hate him untill he dying day.

Next up, education reform.

Klaus · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:31 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Obama is not my president, he is a socialist piece of scum and an parriah on the nation. I will hate him untill he dying day.

If you cannot live with being the opposition every once in a while, your only choice will be a dictatorship of your liking. Is that what you're advocating?

sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:31 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):
The U.S, now joins other highly developed nations with a healthcare plan that will allow for coverage of ALL of it's citizens, despite their pre-existing conditions and makes coverage available based on their ability to pay - sounds alot like a 40 year old program called Medi-Care, doesn't it.

The same Medicare that is trending towards bankruptcy? And a bill that will result in higher premiums for most Americans?
http://themoderatevoice.com/66268/ap...ce-premiums-and-healthcare-reform/

Someone has to pay for it, that will be YOU that taxpayer. As long as you're okay with that, then you have cause to celebrate.

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 17):
Anyone want to bet that 10 years from today, we'll see that the estimates on the cost of this were wrong by a factor of more than 100%?

They were wrong in Massachusetts, and the cost has more than doubled, hence the Patrick Administration cutting off 30K legal immigrants from our version of Obamacare earlier this year.

Cadet57 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:35 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Thread starter):
Health Care Reform Passed!

A dark day for the US.

Quoting Yellowstone (Thread starter):
Woohoo!

And you're happy?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
It's about time this happened.

WarRI1 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:36 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
This is a very sad day for America.

I think it is a great day for the US.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Obama is not my president, he is a socialist piece of scum and an parriah on the nation. I will hate him untill he dying day.

Whether you like it or not, he is your President, elected by the people of the US. Now if you want to give up your citizenship, be my guest.

JakeOrion · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:36 am

Are any members in Congress going to be under this health care plan? If not, that should be a immediate

to all of you if this bill is "so great!"

StuckInCA · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:37 am

I really don't understand the resistance to this bill or other healthcare reform.

What, specifically, is scaring people?

Even if it's broken, we can hope for it to be fixed in coming years. In my opinion, anything that gets more people coverage and starts to turn things in the direction of most civilized countries is a good thing. Even if it costs me some money.

I get the idea that people just don't like to share. They like to feel superior. Sad.

pgh234 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:38 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 23):
If I could just take a phrase from the conservatives during the Iraq war and Bush administration:

I am a registered democrat...am I not allowed to hate this bill too? Party politics have obliterated common sense.

1) There is no such thing as a free lunch...does anyone agree with this anymore?

2) Name one thing, ever, that the government has taken over and made more efficient? Is there one thing that has not turned into some bureaucratic mess that wastes much more of MY tax dollars than originally estimated?

Tomorrow is Monday...I dont want to go to work, ugh. At least the government will take care of me when I decide to stop going.

MSPNWA · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:40 am

Quoting texan (Reply 18):
Obama is not a socialist.

Kinda of agree there. I'd say he's more of a communist.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
Yes what a sad day indeed when people in this country don't have to worry about whether or not they will have health insurance.

Yeah, instead they will worry about getting fined if they desire freedom.

sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:43 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
Yes what a sad day indeed when people in this country don't have to worry about whether or not they will have health insurance.

No, but they'll have to worry about rising premiums, Doctors that won't accept Medicaid, and of course the national debt rising to unsustainable levels.

Listen I was a huge supporter of Massachusetts Health Reform that Obamacare is based on. It was proposed by Mitt Romney and signed into law by a Democratic Legislature. We were promised the same exact things the American public was: Near Universal Coverage, lower costs, subsidized premiums for those who can't afford it, and smaller deficits because we would have more people covered.

To give them credit, we do have the lowest uninsured rate in the USA. Problem is, we're having a heck of a time paying for it. The cost has more than doubled and premiums are rising sharply every year. So MA has raised fees and the sales tax from 5% to 6.25%

I get my insurance from the State run Health Insurance Exchange. Before I turned 27 I paid $180 a month for HMO Blue Cross care, no caps, no prescription coverage (because I don't take any meds, but that was $20 more a month). So then I turned 27 and voila now I pay $308 a month for the SAME plan except with a mandatory prescription coverage that I'm forced to buy...

You can see the drift of where this is going. There's nothing wrong with making insurance affordable and more accessible. Just keep in mind we're going to have to pay for it somehow.

futurepilot16 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:44 am

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 34):
What, specifically, is scaring people?

They are scared that the gov't is getting too much power. They don't care that tens of millions of people who can't afford health care, can finally get coverage, instead of going to a friggin free clinic where they can't get adequate care. All they preach is "no free lunch" over and over again. They bow down to the insurance companies and their CEOs who make millions on top of millions of dollars, while they raise insurance premiums for someone who just got cancer.

L-188 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:44 am

Quoting texan (Reply 18):
Feel free to leave anytime you want

Completely ignoring the fact I vote AIP. Why the hell should I leave, Obama is the one that sucks.

He needs to go back to his native-born Kenya and stop trying to destroy this country with his left wing stagger.

Quoting texan (Reply 18):
Obama is not a socialist.

I kind of insult socialist when I compare Obama to them. He is an ultra left nut who is attempting to combine the most dispictable aspects of Communisim, Marxism and Leninism, while useing them to destroy the foundation of democracy and freedom in this country. All the well he is dening that he is trying to rule by decree, like a Chavez, Mao or Hitler.

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 17):
Anyone want to bet that 10 years from today, we'll see that the estimates on the cost of this were wrong by a factor of more than 100%?

You might be off...I would add an additional zero. Already there are finding items that where not included in the OMB's estimate proving it is false.

The party of "No" as you put it was the only party that was actually listening to the people. Hopefully the scum that voted for this bill will be thrown out in 6 months.

The democrats are the party of arrogance and there is no longer any redeeming quality about them. How far have they fallen from the party of Truman.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
The party of no has been told no, you canot kill this bill

2707200X · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:45 am

Not a bad day, it took long but this reform no matter how imperfect it is, it is better than no reform and dismissal of people from their insurance companies with pre-existing conditions.

MSPNWA · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:46 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 32):
Whether you like it or not, he is your President, elected by the people of the US. Now if you want to give up your citizenship, be my guest.

That's incorrect. He's not my president, as he is ineligible to be in that position. To be truthful everything he has signed is invalid. I don't have to give up my citizenship for that fact.

Cadet57 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:47 am

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 39):

BINGO. I too live in MA and the year this passed my copay for going to the doctor went from $10 to $25. Can't wait to see this on a national level

sv7887 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:48 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 40):
They don't care that tens of millions of people who can't afford health care, can finally get coverage, instead of going to a friggin free clinic where they can't get adequate care. All they preach is "no free lunch" over and over again. They bow down to the insurance companies and their CEOs who make millions on top of millions of dollars, while they raise insurance premiums for someone who just got cancer.

Tens of millions? The best number is 8-14 million from the Kaiser Family Institute which is hardly a conservative mouthpiece. And those "millions" you speak of will be put on Medicaid and THAT is why the States are pissed. Good luck with funding that.

You can blame insurance companies all you want, but they aren't making huge sums of money. (Do some research, their gross profit margin is a few percent). And CEO's of most large corporations make millions of dollars.

I pay my own premiums and I don't bow down to anyone. People have a right to be angry since 55% of Americans opposed this bill. People are worried how we as a nation are going to pay for this in an era of TRILLION dollar deficits.

AGM100 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:50 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 23):
"IF you don't like it, than you can just GET OUT!"

They will .... the ones who pay the bills will .

With a super majority .... what the hell took em so long ? Oh ya , the indivduals had to get the payoffs , and taken care of for when they are voted out of office in November...lots of tidying up needed to be done.

The senate reconciliation bill does not even need to be passed ....this thing is law by wedensday.

L-188 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:50 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
Obama is not my president, he is a socialist piece of scum and an parriah on the nation. I will hate him untill he dying day.

If you cannot live with being the opposition every once in a while,

Only works if the opposition has the power to stop up the works. Unfortunately so many stupid people voted democrat in the last election just to spite Bush we don't have that right now. With any luck with the increased number of Republican that will be voted in office because of this anti-american legislation that situation will change.

pgh234 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:51 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 37):
They are scared that the gov't is getting too much power. They don't care that tens of millions of people who can't afford health care, can finally get coverage, instead of going to a friggin free clinic where they can't get adequate care. All they preach is "no free lunch" over and over again. They bow down to the insurance companies and their CEOs who make millions on top of millions of dollars, while they raise insurance premiums for someone who just got cancer.

Conservatives eliminated all of the well paying manufacturing jobs in the US that these tens of millions of people used to have to get health care.

Liberals then further destroyed the country by imploding our tax system by handing out way much more money than they take in. I still fail to see how it is sustainable for the average person in the US to recieve MORE money from the government than they give to it in the first place. Perhaps we should create a government agency to look into that too.

JakeOrion · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:53 am

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 42):
People are worried how we as a nation are going to pay for this in an era of TRILLION dollar deficits.

We can't. There is absolutely no way to pay for this program. CA is ruined beyond belief, NY is quickly following and several other states are in very poor shape. Within 5 years, this program will make Social Security look cheap.

L-188 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:53 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 43):
The senate reconciliation bill does not even need to be passed ....this thing is law by wedensday.

And then the lawsuits starts.

Hopefully the courts will recognize the graft and bribery and unconstiutional processes that where used to pass this and rule it invalid based on that.

Look for injuctions shortly

National757 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:54 am

You know what's the best part of this whole HCR fiasco.. Liberals/Dems are just as f*cked as the GOP and Independents and they don't even realize it!

Can't change the rules of economics - This is going to be the 'straw that broke the camel's back'

Oh well.. at least Obama will have managed to finally create jobs - 16,000 IRS agents

Another Obama accomplishment - The inevitable loss of the AAA credit rating thanks in part to this POS

Libs and Dems...Celebrate tonight... it's all down hill from here.

WarRI1 · Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:55 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 32):
Whether you like it or not, he is your President, elected by the people of the US. Now if you want to give up your citizenship, be my guest.

That's incorrect. He's not my president, as he is ineligible to be in that position. To be truthful everything he has signed is invalid. I don't have to give up my citizenship for that fact.

And the proof, the documentation? He is the President, duly elected, live with it.

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