|Quoting sv7887 (Reply 8):|
Passing off a bill as "Deficit reduction" by using sham accounting
The CBO is a non-partisan entity. There is no agenda there. They see ~200B deficit reduction.
|Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 52):|
It's interesting that Democrats put the creation of a massive new spending program ahead of the recovery of our economic vitality and job markets.
I believe the ARRA was passed well before this bill. Or perhaps I was in a time warp.
Because from your vitriol, I believe you would very much like to live in Myanmar. Better weather, no government-mandated healthcare, and a very conservative government. Bit authoritarian, but I think you'd enjoy that.
|Quoting pgh234 (Reply 34):|
1) There is no such thing as a free lunch...does anyone agree with this anymore?
In healthcare there is such a thing. It costs a lot less to keep someone on a bunch of rather inexpensive drugs (hydrochlorothiazide, atorvastatin, benazepril, aspirin) than to have him on none of these medications and then present to the ED
, uninsured, having a myocardial infarction (or worse, a stroke) and either 1) require a very expensive procedure for which he cannot pay or 2) need nursing home care for the rest of his life, for which he also cannot pay.
Much like in other things, paying a little now saves you a lot later.
|Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 77):|
Question; with no economy to pay for it, wouldn't it mean more eventual deaths due to the lack of funding?
Economy is doing better. People are getting jobs, companies are hiring. Unemployment is now starting to inch downwards. Obama said that it would take a long time for the recovery to hit and this is true. Everyone wanted it all better in six months. Well, with the GOP completely ignoring the situation for a DECADE, it's not going to go away in 12 or even 18 months, is it?
|Quoting sv7887 (Reply 87):|
That is patently not true. If that were the case, only the "wealthy" would be able to go to top Hospitals like Mass General or Johns Hopkins in the United States. Spend a day at one of those institutions and you'll see that's not the case.
No, but the poor people there without insurance will never be able to pay their bills. You are paying their bills. Either in tax subsidies to MGH/JH
or through your health insurance. And, as I explained above, you will wind up paying less now that this bill has passed.
|Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):|
That's incorrect. He's not my president, as he is ineligible to be in that position.
Except your opinion doesn't matter. The Supreme Court already decided that. So did the Judge Advocate General when a serviceman decided that he did not need to take orders from an "illegitimate" President. Barak Obama is
the President of the United States. And if you are a citizen, then he is YOUR President, whether you like it or not. If you do not like that, then you are free to proceed to any Federal office and renounce your citizenship. Um... I'd recommend that you secure a foreign citizenship first.
|Quoting sv7887 (Reply 96):|
I would have liked to have seen Tort Reform, more competition across state lines, and increased investigation of existing Medicare fraud to have been included in the bill.
We desperately need Tort Reform. Basically, malpractice suits need to be evidence-based.
I keep hearing about this, but I have yet to hear of a single case of *needed* surgery being delayed. Now, I've heard about people with psychosomatic complaints not being able to receive adequate and timely care, this is true. But I've never heard of someone in, say, Canada, waiting years for a needed CABG.
I have, however, heard of patients in the "Greatest Healthcare System In The World" dying in the emergency room from neglect.