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Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:42 am

Bayern Munich vs M.U.
2 vs 3 (4-4)

What a match! An exciting 1st half with MU playing lights out. Two teams gave us fans a real treat. I appreciate Rooney's gutsy performance on a bad ankle. M.U. ran out of steam midway in the 2nd half and was unable to hold on and advance. Bayern's defence is attrocious, especially #28, who practically gift-wrapped 2 goals (the 2nd and 3rd) to M.U. How in the world is he a start on a semifinalist team for the Champion League?? The keeper is also suspect. But give Bayern its due credit for absorbing the early blows from M.U. and fought back in typical workman German fashion.

I can't wait for the final Barca vs Bayern. I think Messi and company will crush Bayern handily given its weak defence.

Arsenal was just hopelessly outclassed by the individual brilliance of Messi and the overwhelming form of Barcelona.

Post away gentlemen! Give your thoughts and prediction.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:09 am

I personally like Barcelona and Chelsea in the UEFA league this yr. I think Lionel Messi is FIFA player of the year, without a doubt.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:34 am

I agree with your assessment that the final will be Barcelona-Bayern. I think it's the most likely encounter...

While Barca overcame Arsenal by the efforts of just one player in full shape, Inter somewhat struggled with CSKA, so I don't give the Italian team much of a shot in the semis. Lyon, to me, never seemed strong enough to pull off such an upset, and I don't believe they will. Plus, French football is not in the best shape ever; it'd be weird for them to beat Bayern at the moment.

I wonder if Barca has what it takes to win the final in Madrid... I'd say that they will only win with Messi in form.

I predict:
Barca-Inter 3-1 and 1-1
Lyon-Bayern 2-1 and 1-3

Final: Barca-Bayern 3-2.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:27 am

Not to discredit Messi what so ever, but the Arsenal defense really helped him out. I mean, most of the time they were caught sleeping. But still, Messi is just out of this world.

As for the Bayern - United game, I'm so happy that Bayern went through. Luckily Badstuber (#28) will next match because of a second booking this game. It's weird, because he has been relatively solid in the league, but in Europe, he has been outclassed. Robben's goal was just sublime. This man is amongst the best in Europe now. Schweinsteiger is showing signs of brilliance. Some people even said he is Xavi like. Hopefully (but doubtfully) Bayern will win the CL.

I didnt watch the Lyon/Bordeaux game, but two attacking teams facing off, it should have been a nice game to watch. Any thoughts on that?

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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:55 am

Great comeback by Bayern yesterday. Very enjoyable to watch.

Inter vs Barca will be intereseting. If anyone can outsmart Barca Mourinho can.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:04 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 4):
If anyone can outsmart Barca Mourinho can.

The recipe for shutting down barça is simple. Press their midfielders hard, choke Xavi and Iniesta and Messi, Ibra, etc. won't be fed.

Sounds easy, but it takes a lot of physique and concentration (a Xavi-Messi combination can set up a goal in seconds).

Also, barça's defence is not their strongest point, they've shown to be weak at defending set pieces and not specially good or fast against quick counters.

Still best in the world, but they can be beaten. Have an air-tight defence, choke their midfield and hope that they'll let you one in.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:55 am

Quoting Beta (Thread starter):
I can't wait for the final Barca vs Bayern
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
the final will be Barcelona-Bayern. I think it's the most likely encounter...

Wait, they still have to play Inter! They have shown a lot of quality against Chelsea and were solid agasint CSKA. Sneijder is an amazing player and is really the brain of this team. So let's see first how the semis will go  
Quoting okees (Reply 3):
Not to discredit Messi what so ever, but the Arsenal defense really helped him out

Indeed. And no Fabregas, no Arshavin, no Van Persie, no Gallas, no Song...

On the other hand, Barcelona were missing some key players as well (Piqué, Puyol, Iniesta, Zlatan....)

Quoting okees (Reply 3):
But still, Messi is just out of this world.

  

Quoting okees (Reply 3):
I didnt watch the Lyon/Bordeaux game, but two attacking teams facing off, it should have been a nice game to watch. Any thoughts on that?

Not the best match I've seen. I think Bordeaux deserved to go through, but their lack of experience at this level cost them dearly. Lyon was super solid in defence.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
Press their midfielders hard, choke Xavi and Iniesta and Messi, Ibra, etc. won't be fed.

I agree 100% to that comment.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
Sounds easy, but it takes a lot of physique and concentration (a Xavi-Messi combination can set up a goal in seconds).

Same as above.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
Also, barça's defence is not their strongest point, they've shown to be weak at defending set pieces and not specially good or fast against quick counters.

Well, a defence Milito-Marquez is not the best. But when you have Abidal-Piqué-Puyol-Alves, it's quite hard to go through.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
Still best in the world, but they can be beaten. Have an air-tight defence, choke their midfield and hope that they'll let you one in.

Yes they can. Rubin Kazan did! But it's still quite a challenge to do!
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:36 am

Never count out the Germans until the final whistle. Even if you're up by five goals, they will fight back and eventually pull off a miracle. Hats of to Bayern FC.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:09 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
I personally like Barcelona and Chelsea in the UEFA league this yr.
Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
The recipe for shutting down barça is simple. Press their midfielders hard, choke Xavi and Iniesta and Messi, Ibra, etc. won't be fed.

Sounds easy, but it takes a lot of physique and concentration (a Xavi-Messi combination can set up a goal in seconds).

Pretty accurate on this point, but Barca has in the past kept Messi as an attacking midfield who helped feed, Pedro, Bojan, Ibra, Henry....They just have too many options which makes then so strong at this point.

Their defense is lacking the last few days but as Graham said above,

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
But when you have Abidal-Piqué-Puyol-Alves, it's quite hard to go through.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:42 pm

Is it just me or is this thing even worth watching now that Man U is out lol, we can say barca wins this easily. Bayerns defense reminded me of the la liga sides that allow many goals. As a Chels supporter, I am pretty upset but I still think we have the best squad when nobody is injured. Drogba, Essien, Lampard, Terry, Malouda. Pure Quality. Heck, Barca had Pedro up front who barely did anything. Its amazing how we cant pull it off for years and years.... Im pretty sure carlo will do it for us.

Ill say Bayern-Barca final. Barca wins 5-1.

When youre playing a CL match and 4 of your starters are missing(Carvalho, Essien, A.Cole, Bosingwa), its hard to win, I was quite surprised by Inter more or less it was just Sneijder running the midfield. He is amazing, the best buy last summer I'd say even over Ronaldos purchase and same goes with Bayern purchasing Robben, a jewel on the right wing.

Chelsea=Barca>Every other team. PERIOD
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:35 pm

Now England sucks even at club football.   

Quoting Beta (Thread starter):
I can't wait for the final Barca vs Bayern. I think Messi and company will crush Bayern handily given its weak defence.

It will be a pleasure to watch.  

Bayern used to start Alaba on the leftback position, but then they were crushed by the glorious Eintracht Frankfurt (which makes us way better than Man United) and Alaba apparently hasn't recovered from our beating. 

I wouldn't count out Lyon just yet though, they're pretty decent and Bayern is crap at the end of the day, they were just lucky that Rafael was stupid enough to collect two pointless bookings.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:36 pm

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...25&sec=uefachampionsleague&cc=5901
Alex Ferguson blames 'Typical Germans' for Red Card

"He got a knock which was similar to last week,'' Ferguson said. "It is a burst blood vessel below the ankle. He won't be out for too long.''

"Unfortunately he went over on the ankle again. There were a couple of challenges on him and I don't think he got any protection from the referee but it is not too serious."

A. Rooney hurt his OWN foot by falling on it awkwardly.
B. Why should the Refs 'protect' a player because he's playing injured.

I am a Chelsea fan, but everytime he speaks these days...he sounds more cocky and arrogant....He ALWAYS finds a reason to complain.

Just admit you lost to a good side and shut up.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:50 pm

Typical Germans? Who, Van Bommel, Robben, Ribery? Time for your pills, old man.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:43 pm

I would say Robbens goal last night was amongst the best, if not the best goal this Champions League season.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:01 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...25&sec=uefachampionsleague&cc=5901
Alex Ferguson blames 'Typical Germans' for Red Card

"He got a knock which was similar to last week,'' Ferguson said. "It is a burst blood vessel below the ankle. He won't be out for too long.''

"Unfortunately he went over on the ankle again. There were a couple of challenges on him and I don't think he got any protection from the referee but it is not too serious."

Makes you wonder what products his chewing gum is actually made out of...

The "Germans" demanding a card against a ManU player? Yeah right, it's not as if Valencia was waving his arms around like mad man demanding a card for Schweinsteiger in the last quarter or anything. Oh wait, yes he did.

And attacking Rooney? Well, poor bästärd, football is a contact sport and you are bound to get tackled, that's part of the damn game. And it's not like he really has to worry though, when ManU has "miracle workers" that can turn a "6 weeks at least" injury into a 6-day injury, surely the can heel a burst blood vessel in 2 hours   .
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:25 pm

Robben's goal was a beauty, but it does make you yawn when watching the semi highlights and seeing Messi's 1..2..3..4 goals to tie the record. That guy is so good the Yankees should sign him.

I'll go out on a limb and say Barca-Inter in the final. And everyone talking down the Barca defense??? Compared to whom?? They have only one loss on the season in the Liga and just 19 goals against! Does any other team in Europe have anywhere near that type of record? Phoah!

As much as it pains me to say (as a lifelong Galacticos fan) Messi is quite possibly the best player to ever play the game and may just be at the very peak of his powers. Gear up for El Clasico this Saturday lads. The game of the season for the Liga awaits at the Bernabeu and gives Real its only shot at a tiny piece of redemption for 2010.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:28 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 15):
I'll go out on a limb and say Barca-Inter in the final.

Too bad that that match is already happening on April 20th and 28th in the semi-finals   .
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:30 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 15):
Barca-Inter in the final

Impossible, they meet in the semis  
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:48 pm

Yeah, I just realized that. I guess that would be a neat trick. Too much soccer on the brain..
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:16 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Typical Germans? Who, Van Bommel, Robben, Ribery? Time for your pills, old man.

Maybe he was talking about the coach!!?......oh wait, that doesn't work either...  

Sir Alex, suck it up.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:16 pm

The final will be Bayern vs Barcelona. And this time, if Bayern can get the match at least into Extra Time, even if then Barça wins, they will have made up for last year's humiliation.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:20 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
The final will be Bayern vs Barcelona. And this time, if Bayern can get the match at least into Extra Time, even if then Barça wins, they will have made up for last year's humiliation.

Indeed the final will be Bayern vs Barcelona. No, it won't go to extra time. Messi and company will make short works of that terrible defense Bayern has. The score will be 3-1, Barca. All Barca's goals will be in 1st half, and they'll cruise-control 2nd half, with consolation goal to Bayern in the last 10 min.

And no I don't count out the Lyons and Inter, it's just that the French and Italians don't count  

[Edited 2010-04-08 11:23:02]
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:32 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 15):
And everyone talking down the Barca defense??? Compared to whom?? They have only one loss on the season in the Liga and just 19 goals against! Does any other team in Europe have anywhere near that type of record? Phoah!

But only part of that is because of their actual defence. Partly it's because they keep the ball most of the time, and mostly it's because the strikers are the very first defence line.

Barça has poached many goals with a clever steal or rebound by Messi or Henry. Eto'o was a specialist.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting Beta (Reply 21):
Indeed the final will be Bayern vs Barcelona. No, it won't go to extra time. Messi and company will make short works of that terrible defense Bayern has.

Emphasis on If. Of course that if they play against God (aka Messi) and Barça, it will be very difficult for them.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:16 am

Bayern are going to win it all, bet on it.  

GO MUNCHEN!!!!
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:54 am

Quoting iliribdl (Reply 24):
Bayern are going to win it all, bet on it.

I think Messi will have something to say about that  
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:02 am

Quoting okees (Reply 13):
I would say Robbens goal last night was amongst the best, if not the best goal this Champions League season.

   And it reminded me of a certain goal netted by 'The Maestro' in '02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-fJq0wH4w
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:04 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23):
Emphasis on If. Of course that if they play against God (aka Messi) and Barça, it will be very difficult for them.

No if and or but. The gap in quality of plays between Barcelona and the rest of the semifinalists is simply too great. Let's examine closely the probable match-up Barcelona vs Bayern in the final.

Barcelona offense vs Bayern defence: It is not a matter of if, but how soon and how many goals Barca will score against that leaky defense. I'd say no less than 3 goals.

Bayern offense vs Barcelona defense: Sure with Robben and Ribery Bayern could score 1 or 2 against a not great, but adequate Barcelona defense.

I would not put Messi quite in the pantheon of football Gods ala Pele, Maradona just yet. Will see how he does in the World Cup. Pele is a 3-time World Cup champion; Diego Maradona single-handedly won 1 World Cup for Argentina and brought the team to the final the next Cup. Personally I think Messi will be hampered by his dunderhead coach Maradona in the World Cup.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:43 am

Best goal last year in Champions league and probably of all time, not because he is chelsea but think about what he did, a defender flying at him to block it, off of a deflection hits the post and in it goes, sickest volley of all time. Doesn't receive as much attention just because it didnt come from a messi, zidane or Ronaldo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdU9o_w4dY&feature=related
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:09 pm

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 28):
probably of all time

Not even close. No doubt it was a great shot, but because it came out of nowhere rather than through a thought-out action, it doesn't qualify as the greatest CL goal of all time. There was a large component of luck as well, including the deflection off a defender for the "pass"... In my opinion the best goal can only contain skill, not luck... Any good footballer can (with luck) score from Essien's position. The deflection off the post means it could've easily not gone in... Not close to being the best goal, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMIILBHTsfc

See Gerrard's goal at #3 or Bressan's goal at #2... Not many can do that properly. Incidentally, there's a goal very similar to Essien's in that top, and I find it the weakest one. Personally, I like Eto'o's goal the best out of those 15.
 
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RE: Uefa Champions League 2010 Semifinal And Final

Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:36 pm

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 28):
Doesn't receive as much attention just because it didnt come from a messi, zidane or Ronaldo.

Essien's goal was overshadowed somewhat by Iniesta's late equalizer and (even moreso) by the controversial refereeing. Though it was a shocking goal to say the least; I fell out of my chair when I saw that (not even a Chelsea fan)

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