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GrahamHill
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 4:53 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 49):
to us Irish

Is that so? I thought you were calling football "football" and the Irish football "Gaelic game" or "Gaelic football"?
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 5:01 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 47):
And, as the US soccer federation president Contiguglia said: "It's better than having things thrown at you".

That's true when what's being thrown at your supporters is bags of urine and feces.

Quoting Doona (Reply 47):
Chants and whistling during your national anthem is nothing compared to what could happen, so stop whining.

I'm not whining, just doing this.............  
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 5:48 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 35):
In CONCACAF, the top 3 teams automatically qualify (this year, USA, Mexico, Honduras). In CONMEBOL, the top 4 teams automatically qualify (this year, Brazil, Chile Argentina, Paraguay)

The CONCACAF process to get to the stage, where the top 3 qualify, is much more complicated than the CONMEBOL process. In CONMEBOL, all ten teams play against each other in a league mode, which makes a total of 18 matches for each team. The top 4 qualify, the number 5 goes to the playoffs (which used to be against the representative of Oceania, but was now against the CONCACAF rep).

In CONCACAF, there are a total of four rounds. In the first round, some teams (e.g. the United States, Mexico, Costa Rica, depending on whether they are eligible or not) get a bye, and the rest play against each other (which are mostly the smallest teams). The teams that got a bye, play against the winners of the first round in the second round. Those who qualify then, go to the third round, which is a group stage (rounds 1 and 2 are played in a 2-match knockout system, round 3 has four groups, each with four teams IIRC). The best two teams of each group from round 3 go to the fourth round (in Latin America, known as the "hexagonal final"), where the best three qualify for the World Cup, and the fourth place team plays in the playoffs (previously against an Asian team, now against a CONMEBOL team).

Quoting Marcus (Reply 43):
1.- Mexico is eliminated on the 4th match from the WC.

Don't forget all the talk in the media and in the FMF regarding the hype of this time being the first time they get to that fifth match, particularly when said comments come from Faitelson and José Ramón (are they still doing "Cronómetro", the Spanish language version of PTI, on ESPN Deportes)?

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 46):
That should be zero automatic, possibly one (playoff vs. AFC)

Officially, according to FIFA, it's 0.5. This World Cup had the following spots to fill for each confederation:

UEFA (Europe, Some former Soviet Nations, and Israel): 13 (Playoffs are played against the best 8 second place teams, the playoff winners join the 9 group winners in the World Cup)
CAF (Africa): 5+1 (Playoffs are only played when there's a tie in a group; South Africa is also automatically qualified as host)
AFC (Asia): 5.5 (Playoff against OFC)
OFC (Oceania): 0.5 (Playoff against AFC)
CONCACAF (Carribean, North and Central America): 3.5 (Playoff against CONMEBOL)
CONMEBOL (South America): 4.5 (Playoff against CONCACAF)

Notice that since the qualifiers for the 2006 World Cup, the World Cup winner HAS to play the qualifiers as well (which means that since then, Italy and Brazil had to play the qualifiers after having won the World Cup). Only the host(s) is (are) automatically qualified. This rule previously existed (and still exists) for the Euro, where the Euro winner always played the qualifiersl.
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 6:04 pm

And than you have the Dutchies.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=8Y2qNjl47s0&gl=NL


The scary thing is that we really are that crazy when it comes to our beloved Dutch team.

PSPfan
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 6:05 pm

With this new rule, the French team wouldn't have made it to the 2002 cup 
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 6:08 pm

In Brazil, it's like this:
1-We own all you fools.
2-Repeat step 1.
Note: This step-by-step program does not apply if we have to play France.

 

[Edited 2010-05-19 11:09:23]
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 6:28 pm

In Italy it's like this:

1. play the final every 12 years
2. the rest of the world hates it when step 1 happens
3. Italy could not care less about step 2.

 
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 7:25 pm

Quoting pspfan (Reply 53):
The scary thing is that we really are that crazy when it comes to our beloved Dutch team.

And so do the commentators http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1H2hOHu_s
Granted, for a winning goal socred in the 90th minute, if you aren't screaming/cheering then something is wrong with you  
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 9:42 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
when did Spain win?
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 42):

Yet despite us failing to qualify, we STILL have a better chance of winning the wold cup than england  


*Small caps intentional  
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Wed May 19, 2010 10:48 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 58):
better chance of winning the wold cup

This wold cup, is it some kind of sheep-based competition?
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 3:50 am

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 57):
And so do the commentators http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1H2hOHu_s
Granted, for a winning goal socred in the 90th minute, if you aren't screaming/cheering then something is wrong with you

Absolutely no offense to our dutch friends intended, but did anyone else watch that video and think of the Swedish Chef from the muppets having a heart attack?

P.S. If we're talking about awesome commentators.

May I introduce...Mr Ray Hudson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6Np-g_h5w

[Edited 2010-05-19 20:55:41]
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 8:37 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 59):
Quoting gkirk (Reply 58):
better chance of winning the wold cup

This wold cup, is it some kind of sheep-based competition?

Hobbits or Orcs maybe.

http://www.tuckborough.net/plains.html
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 12:17 pm

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 36):
Once USA drops out of the competition Im going with Ingerrland as always, Englands not hype at least this year, with the likes of Lampard, Rooney, and Terry they should be able make it far. Brazil is all hype this year. Brazil isnt going anywhere, same with Germany and Italy. Old teams. Semifinalists should be England, Spain and 2 other teams which Im not sure of. HEAR ME ON THIS ONE PEOPLE.

Start looking for a new team, beacuse England isn't going to get any further than the Quarterfinals.   Age isn't a factor when you're trying to win the World Cup - experience on the other hand is. In Germany 2006, the two oldest teams in the tournament reached the final. France, Brazil, Spain, Germany and Italy are all teams that have reached at least a final in a big tournament (Copa America/Euro/World Cup) of the past decade.

Brazil: World Cup 2002 (won), Copa America 2004 (won), Copa America 2007 (won)
Spain: Euro 2008 (won)
Italy: Euro 2000 (finalist, lost), World Cup 2006 (won)
Germany: World Cup 2002 (finalist, lost), World Cup 2006 (3rd), Euro 2008 (finalist, lost)
France: Euro 2000 (won), World Cup 2006 (finalist, lost)

When was the last time you could say something like this about an England squad?

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 36):
The media in England should just let the team play and not put pressure on them.

If England cannot handle the pressure, then they shouldn't be participating in the first place anyways. Brazil, Spain, German and Italy are some of the few teams that have their fans back at home expecting them to win the Cup.
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 1:34 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 50):
Is that so? I thought you were calling football "football" and the Irish football "Gaelic game" or "Gaelic football"?

Outside of Dublin, yes "Football" is known as soccer to distinguish it from Gaelic Football. In and around Dublin they have a tendancy to act like the Brits and call it football. Gaelic Football is known as simply Gaelic. If you asked a Dubliner to play soccer they'd still know what you meant though.

[Edited 2010-05-20 06:36:02]
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 1:42 pm

england will be knocked out of the world cup the weekend of the MAN meet, like they were 4 years ago, leaving me with a big smile, and the rest of the pub in tears 
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 1:51 pm

Fact of the day: The Italian national football team is also the official Olympic diving team of Italy as well as members of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Unfortunately they often fail to realize what sport they are playing at the time and mix them so you can either see them diving in the middle of the field or physically assaulting other players.   
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 2:30 pm

Quoting pspfan (Reply 53):
The scary thing is that we really are that crazy when it comes to our beloved Dutch team.

PSPfan

A Dutch friend, who used to be a sergeant in the Dutch Army told me once how in the 1990s his unit was deployed on a NATO exercise in Germany during a Eurocup tournament. On the day a match between the Netherlands and germany was on, he went with his infantry platoon into a village pub in the exercise area to watch the match. At the tables up front there were all Germans sitting and watching, while in the back were the Dutch soldiers in full battle gear, armed to the teeth (though with blank rounds only).
At first the German team scored, upon which all the Germans in the pub cheered... until the Dutch soldiers started to cock their submachine guns and rifles. It suddenly became very quiet in the pub. The next goal was awarded to the Dutch and now the Germans were cheering the Dutch team instead... 

Jan
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 3:04 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 18):
Another thing is the importance of the coach, he's the one who chooses the players so the hopes of the country are on his shoulders. The life of the current French coach might be in danger

I wonder why Domenech wasn't let go after France's disappointing run in Euro 2008. BBC is now reporting that Laurent Blanc will be named head of the national team AFTER the WC. Looks like help came a bit too late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8685345.stm
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 67):
I wonder why Domenech wasn't let go after France's disappointing run in Euro 2008. BBC is now reporting that Laurent Blanc will be named head of the national team AFTER the WC. Looks like help came a bit too late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...5.stm

I don't follow football enough to know, besides, nobody seems to know. Everybody knew that this was his last chance however, but I think announcing the next coach before the cup is pretty stupid.

Maybe the French football authorities think it's already lost, so the failure will be on Domenech and not Blanc.
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 3:34 pm

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 62):
Start looking for a new team, beacuse England isn't going to get any further than the Quarterfinals.

normally I would agree, but this time they have a good coach, who has won everything. I'm sure he can help the players handle the presure.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 62):
When was the last time you could say something like this about an England squad?

True, but until 2008, Spain was in the same situation as England, and eventually - as proof we have Spain precisely - things change.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 65):
The Italian national football team is also the official Olympic diving team of Italy as well as members of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Unfortunately they often fail to realize what sport they are playing at the time and mix them so you can either see them diving in the middle of the field or physically assaulting other players.

In Spanish, what Acheron wrote is called "envidia".  
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 4:07 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 69):
In Spanish, what Acheron wrote is called "envidia".

And why would I be envious of football-playing mafiosi?  
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 5:18 pm

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 67):
I wonder why Domenech wasn't let go after France's disappointing run in Euro 2008

Oh there is a reason. It's called "Jean-Pierre Escalettes", head of the French Football Federation.

1) After the World Cup 2006, and probably motivated after France unexpectledy reached the final, he named Domenech until the World Cup 2010! The problem is that he did not realize that we reached the final thanks to the players and not to Domenech. When Zidane and Co left, things started to go from bad to worse (despite a 3-1 victory over Italy in the Euro qualifier, few months after the 2006 final). And then you don't name a manager for 4 years, it's way too much. The deadline is every two years (Euro and WC).

2) After the failure of 2008, he did not want to break Domenech's contract because he would have had to pay him fees. And he was too cheap to do that. He was also tricked by Domenech who promised he would change, that he would organize things differently, that he would make an effort on his communication, and blah blah blah. The moron believed him.

3) Of course, Domenech (who is the most stubborn dude in the world) did not change sh*t.

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 67):
BBC is now reporting that Laurent Blanc will be named head of the national team AFTER the WC. Looks like help came a bit too late.

Well, do you want to change the manager before the event? It would not have changed anything as Blanc wouldn't have had enough time to build something. Best would have been to name him after the Euro 2008, but it would have been too soon since as he had only 1 year of experience as a coach back then.
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 6:11 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 56):

1. play the final every 12 years
2. the rest of the world hates it when step 1 happens
3. Italy could not care less about step 2.

At least that means some Italians get off their butts for a change     

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 62):
beacuse England isn't going to get any further than the Quarterfinals

Agreed! Not that great of a team...
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 6:55 pm

Quoting Acheron (Reply 70):
And why would I be envious of football-playing mafiosi?

because theu usually beat Spain in every single sport
  

 
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 7:30 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 71):
Well, do you want to change the manager before the event?

Oh no no no, the point I was getting to was that a replacement could have been a decent alternative after the Euro.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 71):
but it would have been too soon since as he had only 1 year of experience as a coach back then.

Of course, but there are also some coaching veterans FFF could have pursued (Hiddink, Wenger, et al).

Hopefully they'll return to the form they had in 98-00 and 06.  

[Edited 2010-05-20 12:31:14]

[Edited 2010-05-20 12:32:13]

[Edited 2010-05-20 12:32:59]
 
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RE: The World Cup: How Does It Work?

Thu May 20, 2010 9:35 pm

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 74):
Oh no no no, the point I was getting to was that a replacement could have been a decent alternative after the Euro.

Ah ok, I did not understand correctly  
Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 74):
Of course, but there are also some coaching veterans FFF could have pursued (Hiddink, Wenger, et al).

I'm not sure France would like to have a foreigner at the head of the team (even if it happened in the past).

As for Wenger, he's got a good position in Arsenal and does not seem to be willing to leave now. But if for whatever reason he leaves the club, then I think he will seek the position.

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 74):
Hopefully they'll return to the form they had in 98-00 and 06.

Hopefully for us, yes. At the end, it's working in cycles like pretty much everything else.

Already with Blanc, I'm positive we'll do better.

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