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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:58 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 97):
I think the German goalkeeper is partly to blame. He saw it was in, it bounced back by chance, and he played on and ignored it. Total bad sportsmanship if you ask me, that sums up all that is wrong with the game - it's no better if not much worse than diving.

Well pointed out...He could have stopped playing...but then again...the ball did come...right to him.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:01 pm

They are cheating the British by one goal. Shame. Shame. Shame.  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:04 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 97):
I think the German goalkeeper is partly to blame. He saw it was in, it bounced back by chance, and he played on and ignored it. Total bad sportsmanship if you ask me, that sums up all that is wrong with the game - it's no better if not much worse than diving.

I don´t get what you are saying. Should he have gone to the referee and told him the ball had come in?
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:09 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 103):

I don´t get what you are saying. Should he have gone to the referee and told him the ball had come in?

That would be very good sportmanship indeed   , but not in a million years that would happen .
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:09 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 93):
Perhaps the clowns at FIFA may look at goal-line technology once again.

And give up on that completely bogus argument that the technology has to be available at all matches or none. The indisputable evidence that the ball was well over the line was right there already. It's utterly farcical that the referee can ignore it as millions world-wide see that there's no doubt it was definitely in. How many top level matches these days don't have TV cameras present?
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:23 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 103):
I don´t get what you are saying. Should he have gone to the referee and told him the ball had come in?

Essentually, and not just throw it back out. I know it's only my opinion, but when I play sport and something like that happens, I call on it. Sport needs sportsmanship put back in the game, much like golfer Brian Davis' call at the US PGA Tour back in April.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:25 pm

Gemany scored another goal. Looks like the England team is on their way back to Heathrow.
What a shame that they did not give them that second goal.... This is a bitter bitter match....
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:26 pm

4-1 4-1 4-1 4-1
England on its knees! 
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:27 pm

YEEEEEESYA

Now those last few mins rocked! A bit unexpected after the rather slow start in the second half... Not complaining though 
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:27 pm

Bye England!   

Patrick
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:27 pm

Yep... Germany scored again....
I am not happy over all....
I will stop watching I cannot do anymore....

 
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:27 pm

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 108):
4-1 4-1 4-1 4-1
England on its knees!

Oh Dear.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:27 pm

I´m glad about the third goal for Germany. At the end there has to be at least a difference of two goals for Germany, so that nobody can say that Germany won just due to the reeree´s bad decision.
Even on German TV they stated that England should have scored the second goal.

Jan
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:28 pm

Superb counter-offensive leading to the 4-1.

England have to go all out now, which could lead so some interesting final 20 minutes.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:28 pm

What will be the final result? Your thoughts?
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 115):
What will be the final result? Your thoughts?

I hope for a 5:2, then we will see two more goals!

Patrick
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:29 pm

What a shame. I think the German coach should have instructed the team to make an own goal right after the break.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:30 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 116):
I hope for a 5:2, then we will see two more goals!

I'm waiting for 5-1; Munich revenge.  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:30 pm

Thank you FIFA, for robbing us from a great game at half because of your antisocial, recluse, dictatorial, retrograde ways.

I hope Blatter gets bitten by a lion.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:31 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 105):

I do not think it has been the only decision that was in error for the tournament, however it is a inconvenience that every team has. I have actually enjoyed this game, much better than Brazil/Portugal.

I do not think it would have changed the outcome of the match.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:38 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 120):

I do not think it would have changed the outcome of the match.

Going into the half time break equal is very different from being behind. Regardless really, if Rugby can do it, FIFA should be able to do it.

Germany are playing very well as are England, whilst England have been sloppy at times and Germany have been quick to punish. It's just unfortunate that a great game is yet again going to be remembered for controversy against FIFA instead of the play.


Dan  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:39 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 121):
I do not think it has been the only decision that was in error for the tournament, however it is a inconvenience that every team has. I have actually enjoyed this game, much better than Brazil/Portugal.

I do not think it would have changed the outcome of the match.

Maybe, but England woudn't have needed to go all out and opening massive spaces in an already horrible defense for the Germans to counter.

England were robbed, plain and simple.

[Edited 2010-06-27 08:42:18]
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:39 pm

Wonderful to see Germany play football today!

Bye bye England!
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:41 pm

Only bitter feelings as far as I am concerned. This not awarding the second goal to England changed the face of the match, but not for the better.  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:42 pm

Let the rioting begin   
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:44 pm

Is Germany that much better or is England that bad? This is a sorry situation for England - losing 4-1 (at 85 Mins.) is a virtual rout at this level of the WC. The sports and general press back in England will be brutal on them. One has to wonder how they Qualified for entry into the WC.
For Germany I bet their will be a big party into the night with a more than a few late to work tomorrow .   
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:48 pm

So long, Capello.  

Good luck, Deutschland.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:51 pm

A cheated final result. Like it or not England was cheated of one goal.

I wouldn't be proud to have won this one. It certainly wasn't fair and square.  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:52 pm

As much as the disallowed goal is a major issue on the technical side , Germany have simply been a better side on the day and through the tournament. England were poor in their first three games and have been shown up for what they are in this game. Rooney has failed to do a single thing in this tournament and he's not the only one.

Poor doesn't sum England up in this tournament.

Best of luck to Germany who gave a masterclass in how to counterattack today. Argentina (probably) in the next round will probably give you a proper game, unlike today.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:53 pm

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 126):
Is Germany that much better or is England that bad? This is a sorry situation for England - losing 4-1 (at 85 Mins.) is a virtual rout at this level of the WC. The sports and general press back in England will be brutal on them.

The score is misleading for the match, simply England had to press the way they did in the 2nd half and paid the price for doing that. Had they played conservative and lost 2-1 it would have been far more embarrassment IMO than playing how they did.

At least they lost to a team that wasn't diving and goading their club teammates to get a red card (aka Renaldo's BS in 2006, although Rooney should have sucked it up). I'm no where as bitter as when that happened after this loss but I'm still pissed.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 113):
Even on German TV they stated that England should have scored the second goal.

Of course they did. Only a blind man from Uruguay can possibly miss that. Anyway, three goals difference, and payback for Wembley '66. 
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:01 pm

Ach du Sch*isse! What a game! As a Bundesliga fan I'm more than overjoyed at this result! Congrats to Deutschland! Ihr habt es verdient!

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 126):
Is Germany that much better or is England that bad?

Both. Germany has a highly talented young squad which may lack a bit on the experience side, but has players which manage to form one amazing team despite their individual qualities. England on the other hand has the players, but no team at all.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:05 pm

Perhaps England might next time pick one or two of the more "ordinary" players rather than go for the whole of the alleged best players. Rooney had little service and so went into ball-seeking mode. More shocking is that defending. They looked like a bunch of people thrown together for the first time.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:06 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 122):
Maybe, but England woudn't have needed to go all out and opening massive spaces in an already horrible defense for the Germans to counter.

   At 2:2 England could have afforded to be a bit more cautious. Overall, there's no doubt Germany deserved the win but the biggest difference for me between the two sides was the clinical counter-attacking against a defence caught out of position. After an obviously slow start, I thought England were playing well enough to have a great chance until Germany's third.

Ah, well. As ever, I can't lose when England play Germany but I do feel a bit cheated this time.  

I've just heard Sepp Blatter's comments on goal-line technology quoted. What a load of twaddle!
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:07 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 113):
I´m glad about the third goal for Germany. At the end there has to be at least a difference of two goals for Germany, so that nobody can say that Germany won just due to the reeree´s bad decision.

England was cheated twice, Klose's goal was consecutive to a clear double offside.
That's probably why they made the difference 3, no contest.

Blatter and Platini should be thrown to the lions.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:14 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 120):
I do not think it has been the only decision that was in error for the tournament, however it is a inconvenience that every team has.

In general, yes. However, whether or not the ball clearly crossed the line into the goal is such a fundamental issue and the "technology" is already there at all top level matches. It's such a simple issue to resolve.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:18 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 135):

Can't be offsides on a goal kick.

England's disallowed goal should put more pressure on FIFA to add more offiators or video technology. This is becoming ridiculous.

[Edited 2010-06-27 09:20:14]
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:19 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 135):
England was cheated twice, Klose's goal was consecutive to a clear double offside.

It wasn't offside, the ball was kicked by the goalkeeper and by that it never can be offside.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:24 pm

England were awful and made a decent Germany side look really good. Congrats to Germany. England were so bad I'm not even disappointed about the result.

Septic Bladder has some difficult questions to answer. I wonder if he'll be man enogh to face them? Of course, nothing can interrupt the money-making machine that is World football. Fair Play doesn't just apply to the players, it should also apply to the officials and FIFA. Joke.   
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:25 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 133):
Perhaps England might next time pick one or two of the more "ordinary" players rather than go for the whole of the alleged best players. Rooney had little service and so went into ball-seeking mode. More shocking is that defending. They looked like a bunch of people thrown together for the first time.

The BBC stated that England´s defense was playing like a pub team on sunday morning. And the English had plenty of opportunties to score (except for the non-awarded goal) and missed all of them.

Jan
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:26 pm

Quoting BR076 (Reply 137):
It wasn't offside, the ball was kicked by the goalkeeper and by that it never can be offside.

Correct. You cannot be offside from a goal-kick. However, schoolboy defending will let the other team score time and again.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:28 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 139):
The BBC stated that England´s defense was playing like a pub team on sunday morning. And the English had plenty of opportunties to score (except for the non-awarded goal) and missed all of them

Reffs still gave Germany a quite unfair emotional advantage by taking away that goal near halftime.

It was a cheat against the English.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:31 pm

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 137):
England's disallowed goal should put more pressure on FIFA to add more offiators or video technology.

Because the boundaries of a soccer field are so clearly defined, they could easily adapt the same replay technology used by the NFL to watch for goals, and possibly even offside calls. I know that Adidas has been studying the idea of using geolocation to track players and the ball itself by putting small RFID transmitters in the shoe and building a special ball with a big RFID transmitter in the middle of the ball, and with such tracking technology it'll be really hard to miss determining whether a goal was scored and we could easily track players to determine offside calls.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:35 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 141):
Reffs still gave Germany a quite unfair emotional advantage by taking away that goal near halftime.

Didn't look like they gained from their "emotional advantage"  
Guess an awful lot of Germans were pretty close to a hard attack in the beginning of the second half, and If it wouldn't have been for that lucky 3-1 the game might have ended ver very different, not like the english didn't have any chances after that goal the ref took them.

For me this is a victory without glory, and it's a 4-1 1/2, not a 4-1. Doesn't change an awful lot for england though.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:35 pm

I did not watch the match. However, checking out the score of Germany 4 vs England 1 with some officiating controversy (surprise, surprise   ), I must congratulate Germany team and her fans. I will admit I was wrong, completely wrong in my earlier prediction of an easy win for England. I will gladly eat humble crows from now on. It seems everyone agrees it's a good, exciting match.
Btw Did Badstuber play for German defence? Who was the best player of the match for Germany? Lahm?
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:44 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 142):
Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 137):
England's disallowed goal should put more pressure on FIFA to add more offiators or video technology.

Because the boundaries of a soccer field are so clearly defined, they could easily adapt the same replay technology used by the NFL to watch for goals, and possibly even offside calls. I know that Adidas has been studying the idea of using geolocation to track players and the ball itself by putting small RFID transmitters in the shoe and building a special ball with a big RFID transmitter in the middle of the ball, and with such tracking technology it'll be really hard to miss determining whether a goal was scored and we could easily track players to determine offside calls.

Actually last season the Euroleague tried out a new system, which includes two additional officials, who´s only job is to watch the goal line. If successfull, this system might be introduced by FIFA.

Jan
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:46 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 141):
Reffs still gave Germany a quite unfair emotional advantage by taking away that goal near halftime.

It was a cheat against the English.

True. If the 1st half had ended 2-2, nobody knows what would have happened in the 2nd half. England didn't deserve to win, but the football-watching public didn't deserve to be cheated of the potential of a dynamite 2nd half either.

Quoting dba4U (Reply 143):
For me this is a victory without glory

Yes, you can't even say you beat a good England team.    However, in the World Cup, any win is good.  
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:51 pm

Quoting Beta (Reply 144):
Btw Did Badstuber play for German defence? Who was the best player of the match for Germany? Lahm?

Badstuber didn't play. Man of the match in Germany's team? Hard to say, the whole team except for the defence (except Lahm) was on fire today. But I'd have to say that Müller, Schweinsteiger, Özil and Lahm were particularly huge today.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:03 pm

Schweinsteiger played? I thought he was injured? Or was that a smoke screen? I really like Lahm. He seems to have that "quiet professional" attitude in his game play, nothing spectacular but consistently rock-solid.
 
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RE: Official 2010 Fifa World Cup Thread #5

Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:04 pm

This cheating England of a goal gives me much less respect for the FIA and the competition itself.

Other than watching Japan's Blue Samurai team I will boycott the World Cup from today on.

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