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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1): I note with little surprise how the study omitted to mention the ever-increasing entitlement culture we have. Why should we care if the state takes responsibility for taking care of people? This is a natural consequence. Maybe not the only contributing factor, but a factor nonetheless. |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1): I note with little surprise how the study omitted to mention the ever-increasing entitlement culture we have. |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1): I note with little surprise how the study omitted to mention the ever-increasing entitlement culture we have. Why should we care if the state takes responsibility for taking care of people? This is a natural consequence. Maybe not the only contributing factor, but a factor nonetheless. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): I don't see why people should frame this as being a bad thing. Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting san747 (Reply 5): There's an entitlement culture, but it has nothing to do with "the state." It's the poor parenting. |
Quoting san747 (Reply 5): My generation has been taught that self-esteem is the source of doing well and being successful, not the other way around. |
Quoting san747 (Reply 5): Now we have a generation of people who think they're awesome and amazing and brilliant for really no reason, and who will get defensive (to say the least) if you call them out on that fact. |
Quoting af340 (Reply 6): Before rushing to judgements about my generation, |
Quoting af340 (Reply 6): I scored 37. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): I don't see why people should frame this as being a bad thing. Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting san747 (Reply 5): There's an entitlement culture, but it has nothing to do with "the state." It's the poor parenting. My generation has been taught that self-esteem is the source of doing well and being successful, not the other way around. Now we have a generation of people who think they're awesome and amazing and brilliant for really no reason, and who will get defensive (to say the least) if you call them out on that fact. This study goes into some detail on the subject- |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 12): I was going to post a thoughtful reply, but I just can't be bothered.... |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): I don't see why people should frame this as being a bad thing. Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 10): Self esteem starts at home. The kids who are told by their parents that they're awesome and amazing and brilliant take that attitude into life and it translates into better performance. OTOH, the kids who grow up in households where nothing they do is ever good enough for their parents stop giving a shit after a while because they figure why bother when nothing they do will make their parents happy, that attitude also translates into the outside the world in terms of poorer performance. It becomes a vicious cycle. |
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 10): I'm supposed to care by society's standard because they're my fellow human beings, but i really dont. Things like that don't really change. |
Quoting avent (Reply 14): You say let everyone take care of their own business. Should a mentally ill person be left to their own devices? Should we take care of orphans? When people lose their jobs, should we just ignore their needs? Don't have an insurance card - hey, feel free to die in the gutter... Should we just discard seniors because their savings got wiped out by criminal manipulation of the market or fraud? |
Quoting avent (Reply 14): I note from your profile you are young, and your lack of empathy is consistent with the study. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting Quokka (Reply 8): Overall maybe, but there comes a time when everybody needs a helping hand. |
Quoting af340 (Reply 6): I encourage you to take the test for yourself: |
Quoting avent (Reply 14): Should a mentally ill person be left to their own devices? Should we take care of orphans? |
Quoting avent (Reply 14): Don't have an insurance card - hey, feel free to die in the gutter... |
Quoting avent (Reply 14): Should we just discard seniors because their savings got wiped out by criminal manipulation of the market or fraud? |
Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 20): How else would it happen on a large scale? |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21): You know, the meaning of 'community'? |
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21): church |
Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 22): I'd prefer this instead: Take away churches tax exempt status and use that revenue to fund programs to help disadvantaged people. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19): Quoting Quokka (Reply 8): Overall maybe, but there comes a time when everybody needs a helping hand. It's different if it's one's friends or family. |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17): And that is all you need to know ! |
Quoting avent (Reply 25): So a kid you never met gets hit by a car, and you'll just walk on and ignore it since you're living by your "everyone for themselves" principle |
Quoting avent (Reply 25): I wonder if you'd feel the same way if your girlfriend or sister or parent was in a similar accident, and people just ignored the event, minding their own business, as it were... |
Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 22): And you don't need... Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21): church ... to have it. I think it's unacceptable to try to shrug off society's responsibilities (IMHO) because you want a Church to handle it. Churches can do things that secular people may not appreciate. Like not helping people who openly are atheist. Or trying to convert them while helping them. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): I don't see why people should frame this as being a bad thing. Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting avent (Reply 25): So a kid you never met gets hit by a car, and you'll just walk on and ignore it since you're living by your "everyone for themselves" principle. |
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 28): That would ultimately lead to an ignorant, selfish and in the long run probably even violent "society". |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2): I don't see why people should frame this as being a bad thing. Take care of your business, everyone else takes care of their business and everybody's happy. |
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9): Interesting study and survey. |
Quoting cpd (Reply 31): Except for the people who can't take care of their own business, for whatever reason. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29): I'm not advocating anarchy. Just that people rely on themselves to take care of their business and not rely on outside help. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 32): Mostly this just seems to be one of those studies where old farts complain about younger people. Put this in the same file as having music too loud, sleeping in too late, having too much technology, and having pants too low. |
Quoting avent (Reply 33): How about non-life-threatening situations? |
Quoting avent (Reply 33): Should orphans ever get more than bread and water? |
Quoting avent (Reply 34): then it was 'family and friends are different,' |
Quoting avent (Reply 34): now caring about your family and friends is about as profound as having pants too low. |
Quoting OA412 (Reply 26): Should we stop caring about that and let people in need of blood transfusions simply die? |
Quoting Quokka (Reply 8): Lack of empathy may mean that not only do some people cease to listen to what other people are saying, but that they may also look the other way as someone is being raped or shot. "Nothing to do with me." |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19): Everyone is born with a set of advantages and disadvantages, and the quest to put everyone on a level playing field and set up these sort of Robin Hood programs is not only ineffectual but not really fair to those who have resources. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19): because that was driven largely by stupidity. |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): People trusted financial advisors who told the people "trust me, I know what I am doing" and lost everything. We should just look down our noses at these people who lost everything because they know nothing of investing? |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): Some people just can not get a job with benefits (health care and retirement) because those jobs require training that some people could not afford. |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): Even more, now, those jobs are impossible to come by because companies are "cutting corners" so do not offer things like health care and retirement. |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): Some people entered the work force early on to help their parents (empathy) so do not go to school. |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): We should just look down our noses at these people who lost everything because they know nothing of investing? |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 41): Besides, how is it fair for people with resources to have to subsidize those who don't for no benefit to them? |
Quoting zrs70 (Reply 42): I'm not sure if you really believe what you are saying or if you are just being a blow hard! |
Quoting seb146 (Reply 38): Some people just can not get a job with benefits (health care and retirement) because those jobs require training that some people could not afford. |
Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 45): Fact is, not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer, somebody has to be poor. |
Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 45): but they darn sure have 500 channels of TV to watch (I also note the large number of cars in the parking lot). |
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 46): Quoting avent (Reply 44): Taxes is what stops the poor from murdering the rich. Right, because the poor, naturally, don't have any morals? Your statement is offensive, aside from completely false. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 47): What else are you going to do all day since getting a job might mean losing welfare? |