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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:34 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 54):
No, most join a public health insurance.

I was referring to your specific case.

May I ask you what happens if a person hasn't a private health insurance and doesn't join a public insurance? Is there a general coverage by the state in Germany? For example, if this person needs a cure for a serious disease (for example cancer), who pays? In Italy it's paid by the state, you don't need to pay anything for hospital treatments (there's just the exception of not-serious medications if you go to the E.R., in this case you have to pay a ticket, for example 20-50 euro) and you don't need a private health insurance.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:35 pm

Quoting MasterBean (Reply 41):
Actually, Swindon does have one big famous feature, a roundabout.


And a Honda plant!
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:37 pm

Quoting janmnastami (Reply 55):
May I ask you what happens if a person hasn't a private health insurance and doesn't join a public insurance?

Back then when I was self-employed (and PWM2TXLHopper was in Berlin), this was indeed possible. Any self-employed did not fall within mandatory social insurance. I think(!) nowadays things have changed somewhat, and you need a certain minimum income, otherwise you have to have health insurance.
If I haven't had health insurance and was diagnosed with cancer - tough luck. I would have to pay the treatment out of my own pocket. If I couldn't, which is likely, I would have to pay as much as I could, allow the state marshal to seize goods I don't really need and declare private bankruptcy. Then the state would cover the rest of the expenses. The hospital *has* to provide the services I need, even if it's unclear who is going to pay for it. After seven years of private bankruptcy during which I would have to live on minimum income (the rest will be seized), my remaining depth would be waived.

But that's exactly state does not want to happen. Some call it nanny state, and while there is some truth to it, a generous wellfare state, wanted by the majority of the population, has to protect itself from fraudulent or egoistic behavior like this: "I'm not going to pay in and save some money, and *IF* anything serious is going to happen, I'll rely on somewhat generous welfare which is only then barely affordable if everyone pays in."
The reason why state forces you to buy health insurance is not that politicians say: " I know better than you what is good for you" but "otherwise we cannot afford what you want us to provide".

The reason "only" 30 percent of all jobs fall within mandatory social insurance is that many are low paid part-time jobs where a mother (or father) works 2x4 hours a week while the kids are in school. The partner then works fulltime and covers the family with the (mandatory) social insurance. Or take students who get insurance via their university. Then there are self-employed people wealthy enough to escape mandatory health care.

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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:58 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 57):
The reason "only" 30 percent of all jobs fall within mandatory social insurance is that ...

Oh, and then there are civil servants. State will cover half of their health expenses. Whether or not they get an insurance that covers the other half of their bill is up to them, so they do not under mandatory social insurance either.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:34 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 53):
Thanks for the clarifications! I must admit, my knowledge relating to life in the U.K. is limited only to what I've read, and from things people have told me who are either from there, or spent time there. I've traveled in 23 European countries, but for some reason the U.K. has just never interested me very much, and I've never visited. Perhaps this has to do with my opinion that the U.K. is the most similar part of Europe to the United States culture wise? Especially the New England region of the country where I'm from, and where the majority of the population is of English background. Heck, even the architecture of the buildings here is similar if you go to small country towns, or the old parts of cities like Boston. Where I live, I could even name three dozen towns that are named after those in England. We've got York, Manchester, Exeter, Hampton, Portsmouth, Yarmouth, etc.

Anyone who feels that the UK is very similar to the US, has never visited the UK. We may shae some city names, but thats about all. Culture, architecture, cuisine, education etc are all different.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 53):
Also, in Europe, is it not true that you often have to travel long distances from your home town to a hospital in a large city, for a lot of specialty procedures/surgeries? Especially if you don't live close to a major metropolitan area? Not every small and medium size town has a state of the art, world class hospital/medical facility with all the latest advances in technology just a quick drive away, like in the USA. Here, if you need major heart surgery, brain surgery, or some other major, highly specialized procedure, there's usually the facilities and specialist doctors close by that can do it, without transiting hours away to a major city.

You would never travel large distances in the UK for medical treatment, for the simple reason that by US standards we don't have any long distances. England is only 400 or so miles from North to South.
Specifically with regard to specialised medical procedures, it came to the attention of the relevant authoroties here years back, that in order to be competent at such procedures, a doctor or surgeon needed to carry them out regularly. It is no good having the equipment if you don't use it on a regular enough basis to be safe. Thus for an example paedatric cariology is concentrated on a handful of regional centres, as it was found that surgeons doing this work just a few times a year were killing more patients than they cured.
I live close to one of our major regional hospitals, to my knowledge the only specialisations it doesnt cover are cardiology and burns. The regional cardiology unit being only 10 miles away. The maximum disatnce any one would travel to this hospital is 80 miles.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 59):
Anyone who feels that the UK is very similar to the US, has never visited the UK. We may share some city names, but that's about all. Culture, architecture, cuisine, education etc are all different.

As somebody who has visited the US 6 times, I agree wholeheartedly with this.

We share the same language (well... almost  ) but that's about as far as it goes. The rest of it is completely different in every way - even down to general day to day customs.

Honestly PWM2TXLHopper, come to the UK. You'll be (hopefully pleasantly) surprised.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:44 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 44):
If you ever got the chance to become a citizen over there, you're required to forfeit your American citizenship, so it might be a good idea to become an naturalized legal resident, but retain American citizenship?

At least in the UK this is not true, dual citizenship is perfectly accepted (I am a dual British - Colombian citizen myself) and they don't ask you to forfeit your other citizenship. Problems with this would arise more from the other country, rather than the UK.
I've no info about other European countries though.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:06 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 59):

Anyone who feels that the UK is very similar to the US, has never visited the UK. We may shae some city names, but thats about all. Culture, architecture, cuisine, education etc are all different.

I wouldn't say it is the same, but I would say it's the "most similar'. More similar to the USA than say Italy, or France, or Spain, or Eastern Europe.

There, people actually listen to rock music more than other places in Europe where I find electronic and house music to be most popular. As somebody pointed out, in the U.K. a lot of people, even the young, drive cars. The language is the same. A lot of people are out of shape and getting fat, as was also pointed out. Lots of common last names, names of towns and cities. Pubs close early (I thinks it's between 12-2 in England, right) Heck, at least concerning London, it seems London is the most violent out of the big European cities. I hear about more shootings and gun crime, gangs, and inner city violence in London than other big European cities. To me, that's kind of similar to urban American cities, too.

Also, in my experience in bars in Europe, it seems the British are the most likely to want to brawl, which is common to American drinking culture. When I go out here drinking in the USA, it seems like no matter where I go, dive bar or more upscale, around closing time a fight always breaks out, or you run into people looking for one. Yet, in my experiences in most of Europe, fights in drinking establishments aren't anywhere near as common. When I bar tended in Berlin, the entire two years I was there, the only fights or rowdy young drinkers we ever had were British guests. Literally! Especially during football games.

So, of course it's not a carbon copy of the USA, but more similar than most other countries in Europe? I'd say yes.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 61):

At least in the UK this is not true, dual citizenship is perfectly accepted (I am a dual British - Colombian citizen myself) and they don't ask you to forfeit your other citizenship. Problems with this would arise more from the other country, rather than the UK.

Yeah, the problem lies within the USA. In every U.S. Passport, there's section that clearly states that if you become a legal citizen (not legal resident) of another country, you are required to relinquish your American citizenship under the the threat of commiting treason.


Mine states...."Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with intention to relinquish U.S> citizenship, any of the following acts. 1. Being Naturalized in a foreign state 2. Taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state 3. Serving in the armed forces of a foreign state. Accepting employment with a foreign government. 5. Formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer overseas. Warning: A person who holds dual citizenship of more than one country at the same time is considered a dual citizen. A dual citizen may be subject to the laws of the other country that considers that person a citizen while in that country's jurisdiction, including conscription for military service. Dual citizenship may hamper efforts to provide U.S. consular protection to dual citizens in the foreign country of their other nationality.







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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:37 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
Heck, at least concerning London, it seems London is the most violent out of the big European cities.

How big are we talking about? And honestly do you think London is less safe than Moscow?

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
Also, in my experience in bars in Europe, it seems the British are the most likely to want to brawl, which is common to American drinking culture.

Disagree again, Americans dont usually fight in bars at closing...they just get drunk (and dont ask me how it is even possible) on some really terrible flat beer like Budweiser or drink hard liquor like they are 13 and then take some random swings at people. This isnt fighting by some European classic definition but just a rowdy idiot...which in America usually also means he (or she) cant fight because they just dont know how to. Ive seen and been in neighborhood fights that would probably have the National Guard brought it in if it happened in the US. Its all relative. Americans really dont know how to fight because they are either never taught how to or dont really fight as its really discouraged in America. Just look at high school, you have this BS of a thing called "Peer mediation" and "counselors" and "detention"...imagine such a thing in your average high school in most European countries. Laughable....at best, if not one of the most unnerving ideas along with a hall pass to come from the US schooling system. Ive yet to understand why some American wants to get in my business and understand why I have a problem with some idiot hitting on my girlfriend. Not to mention in most American schools you also tend to get in trouble when you defend yourself by fighting and are also punished...this is really f'ed in the head thinking.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
I wouldn't say it is the same, but I would say it's the "most similar'. More similar to the USA than say Italy, or France, or Spain, or Eastern Europe.

Disagree also, UK doesnt share all that much with the US except language. Size of everything is European, Cars are European, Sport is European, Entertainment is European, Food is...garbage but not American, Stores are more European, Transport is more European, Architecture is European etc. Just as well you could say Spain is similar to Southwest US more than Poland in some aspects...but is it in the grand scheme of things? No.

I also have no idea what youre talking about with dual citizenships...youre just pulling things out of thin air.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:05 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
I hear about more shootings and gun crime, gangs, and inner city violence in London than other big European cities.

You obviously have not been following the news regarding Paris the last few years. Stroll through one of the outer Parisian neighborhoods sometime. You might reevaluate your opinion. Also, I would much rather walk around London in the wee hours alone than in say, Moscow or a nice chunk of the old East Berlin... walk down some of those street flanked by endless rows of Plattenbaus sometime...if you pick the wrong one it can be rather unsettling.

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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:13 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
To me, that's kind of similar to urban American cities, too.

No it's not. You are completely and utterly wrong. The homicide rate in London is 2.0 that same rate in, say, Chicago is over 15. London is far more safe than any big US city. I feel far more comfortable walking down the street at 3am here in London than I do in almost any other major city. London has it's problems (Anti-Social Behaviour incidents and muggings) but compared to major US cities it's negligible.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:37 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):

I don't mean to sound rude, but you could not be further from the truth. There's too much to go into to correct but I think you'd be honestly surprised if you spent just a week here. It's nothing like you described.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:50 pm

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Quoting luckyone (Reply 64):
You obviously have not been following the news regarding Paris the last few years. Stroll through one of the outer Parisian neighborhoods sometime. You might reevaluate your opinion. Also, I would much rather walk around London in the wee hours alone than in say, Moscow or a nice chunk of the old East Berlin... walk down some of those street flanked by endless rows of Platenbaus sometime...if you pick the wrong one it can be rather unsettling.

I have been in the outer areas of Paris. Multiple times.I didn't say there was no violent crime in other big cities, but as far as thug street gangs gunning down and stabbing people for being on the wrong street," I hear more about that in London than any other big European city. Every big city is going to have problems. And London, being among the largest in Europe, is undoubtedly going to have more. Especially with loads of first and second generations of poor Muslim immigrants arriving who are having difficulties assimilating into the English culture. Loads of youth from another culture and religion + poverty, spells trouble in any city, in any country.

As far as East Berlin goes, I lived there for two years and have spent the better part of ten years going there regularly. I've lived in parts of Prenzlauerberg,Litchtenberg, and Wedding, which a lot of Berliner's considered the rougher parts. Pretty much the worse that happens there (usually) is if you're wearing a nice leather jacket or something, and you might get beaten up and robbed. Maybe have somebody pull a knife on you if you're really unlucky? But no, It's not like the big cities here in the USA , like L.A., or even Memphis or New Orleans, where you can easily get shot or car jacked just for being in the wrong neighborhood, or wearing rival gang colors. Not a lot of handguns and fully automatic weapons being carried around by the Turkish street thugs that have no problems blowing your head off in Berlin. I've been robbed at Kotbuser Tor U-bahn in Berlin by five thugs late at night. They didn't even have a knife! What a joke! gangsters without weapons! But time and time again, concerning crime in London, I see way more news stories about gun crime, and people being murdered, assaulted, and robbed there, than most other cities in Europe. Especially parts of South London . So once again, I didn't say England was a carbon copy of America, I just said it was "THE MOST" similar to the USA out of the countries in Europe. If there's another country in Europe that's more similar, than let me know, because I haven't heard of it. And no, similar doesn't mean the same, just means has more in common.

Moscow isn't Europe. Russia is part of Asia.

Regarding London, as somebody else who's lived there stated earlier in this thread

Quoting lewis (Reply 6):
Also, most foreigners think of London and get scenes of nice neighbourhoods and Mary Poppins. In reality, I found London to be a very rough city, even at the central and touristy areas. So if you will be that young, alone and looking for somewhere "safe", there are better options. I would rather live in other cities, I liked Brighton (also a bit pricey) and the areas around Kent and Surrey which are not that far from London.
Quoting AF340 (Reply 65):
No it's not. You are completely and utterly wrong. The homicide rate in London is 2.0 that same rate in, say, Chicago is over 15. London is far more safe than any big US city. I feel far more comfortable walking down the street at 3am here in London than I do in almost any other major city.

Once again, no, it's not the same exactly, and probably is safer. But compare that 2.0 rate in London to other cities in Europe. I'll bet that's high compared to some where like Oslo, Berlin, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Munich, Zurich, Madrid, etc?
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:59 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 67):
I'll bet that's high compared to some where like Oslo, Berlin, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Munich, Zurich, Madrid, etc?

Wow. You just continue to be wrong. This is a list of European capitals of murders and violent deaths per 1000 population. The number is not the same as I quoted above -- two different ways to quantify.

Rank City Score

1 Athina (GR) 0.43
2 Luxembourg (LU) 0.30
3 Bruxelles / Brussel (BE) 0.15
4 Riga (LV) 0.10
5 Vilnius (LT) 0.09
6 Tallinn (EE) 0.09
7 Berlin (DE) 0.05
8 Lisboa (PT) 0.05
9 Helsinki (FI) 0.04
10 Bratislava (SK) 0.04


Hmm, London isn't on there! What a surprise! But I see Helsinki, Berlin, Brussels, and even Luxembourg up there.

http://www.urbanaudit.org/rank.aspx

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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting AF340 (Reply 68):
Wow. You just continue to be wrong. This is a list of European capitals of murders and violent deaths per 1000 population. The number is not the same as I quoted above -- two different ways to quantify.

Rank City Score

1 Athina (GR) 0.43
2 Luxembourg (LU) 0.30
3 Bruxelles / Brussel (BE) 0.15
4 Riga (LV) 0.10
5 Vilnius (LT) 0.09
6 Tallinn (EE) 0.09
7 Berlin (DE) 0.05
8 Lisboa (PT) 0.05
9 Helsinki (FI) 0.04
10 Bratislava (SK) 0.04

To play devils advocate I dont believe these statistics are so low. American police are usually much more effective in solving crime and catching crime than the average CEE Police (and probably Western Europe too). If American police patrolled a city like Warsaw I bet the crime rates would double or triple because they are probably 2-3x more effective.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:10 pm

Quoting AF340 (Reply 68):
Brussels

Most of Brussels is a pit! Sorry to my Belgian friends, but most of Brussels has got to be the low-point of your country!
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:13 pm

Quoting AF340 (Reply 68):

I am really surprised that London or Paris are not on that list.

I actually searched around a bit. I keep finding articles that state the UK and London is the "Violent Crime Capital of the EU" (exagerated, I know), then about Latvia, but still no other material that puts the likes of Lisbon, Athens, Brussels and Luxembourg at the same league! I have found that Brussels and Athens are hotspots for muggings and pickpocketing but not murders and violent crime.

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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:33 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 67):
I've been robbed at Kotbuser Tor U-bahn in Berlin by five thugs late at night.

Welcome to the club. That was the only place I got beaten up in Berlin (in 12 years) - by four Arabs if I might say so, perhaps the same who robbed you.

Quoting AF340 (Reply 68):
Rank City Score

Oh great a city ranking - for which year is it?
You know it won't need long to find one claiming that London ranks first, followed by Belfast and Copenhagen, do you?

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Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:46 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):

The E.U. is not doing too good right now and the U.K. is going through a lot of financial cuts so maybe this is not the right time to go there unless just as a tourist. This is why I am thinking of "newer" countries such as Australia and New Zealand..This is just my own thought.

I agree, if I spent time as an American expat I'd want to be in New Zealand. I'd love to get a job in operations with Air New Zealand and live in Auckland.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:33 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 11):
Did you just use the words "Glasgow" and 'culture" in one sentence?

  

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 20):
Terrible, next to impossible and very expensive. Trust me, I'm 18 and I can't get a job at all. Nowhere will take me on, and I'm from the UK. An immigrant I would assume would have no chance at a young age.

No, different employment laws apply to immigrants on a short term basis so depending on what area we are talking about working in, he'd probably find it easier than you.
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 77):
Well it is just like people arguing whether Turkey is in Europe or not. Part of it is and part of it isn't. Moscow would be considered a European city though.

By the way, the map you provided is weird. So, Russia as a whole and Turkey are in Asia, but the countries between them (Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan) are not?

Definetly more European feeling than Asian, for sure, but still part of Asia. The map and quote was from WorldAtlas.com
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:04 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 73):
I have found that Brussels and Athens are hotspots for muggings and pickpocketing but not murders and violent crime.

All these polls are always telling this and that. Personally I have never been attacked anywhere Ive been. London/New York/ Athens/Paris/Brussels/ Downtown Miami etc... My Sister has been mugged in Catford- London though but thats not the best part of London anyway and I even feel unsafe there.
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:31 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 78):
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 20):
Terrible, next to impossible and very expensive. Trust me, I'm 18 and I can't get a job at all. Nowhere will take me on, and I'm from the UK. An immigrant I would assume would have no chance at a young age.

No, different employment laws apply to immigrants on a short term basis so depending on what area we are talking about working in, he'd probably find it easier than you.

When I worked in the UK my sponsor (the RAF) had to sign a letter stating that there were no UK citizens that could do the same job. At the time I had over thirty years experience!

I would think a 18 year old immigrant would have a hard time proving there are no UK nationals that could not do the same job.
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:40 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 83):

The closest I have ever come to being "attacked" was in Colchester, Essex (no surprises there) and London, not East where I used to live but Piccadilly Circus in the early afternoon! In Greece I have been "approached" many times but it is not that hard to avoid, most of them are junkies that can barely move.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:34 am

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I'm kinda just getting tired of the United States, everything is slowly going down the drains here.

Live and follow your dream. But Think very hard about why you don't like your current country. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Like many have already said, an exchange program would be best...since a simple visit or vacation won't give even an inkling of the experience/culture whereas a 2-3 month semester would give you a best look at things.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:55 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
In every U.S. Passport, there's section that clearly states that if you become a legal citizen (not legal resident) of another country, you are required to relinquish your American citizenship under the the threat of commiting treason.

Whereas my British passport states the following regarding dual citizenship:

"DUAL NATIONALITY

British nationals who are also nationals of another country cannot be protected by Her Majesty's Representatives against the authorities of that country. If, under the law of that country, they are liable for any obligation (such as military service), the fact that they are British nationals does not exempt them from it. A person having some connection with a Commonwealth of foreign country (eg by birth, by descent through either parent, by marriage or by residence) may be a national of that country, in addition to being a British national.
Acquisition of British nationality or citizenship by a foreigner does not necessarily cause the loss of nationality of origin."

Which is to say "We don't care as long as you fulfill our criteria and are not Anna Chapman, but tough luck if your other country has issues".
As a Colombian indeed I had to settle my military service here (still mandatory), but Colombia accepts dual citizenship now (wasn't the case before the 1991 constitution), they only ask me to use my Colombian passport and ids whenever I am dealing with Colombian authorities (such as when departing or arriving on an international flight).
 
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:43 am

Please may I remind you all to keep on topic. If you're not sure whether or not your post is on topic, please refer to the first post and ask yourself "Is my post relevant to the first post in this thread?" If not, don't submit it! Also, if you see an off topic post, please report it instead of replying to it.

Thank you for your understanding!

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Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:56 am

What I can say in short, don't give up on your country. It's not always better in other places.

The easiest way to experience other countries might be as an exchange student. That way, you'll get to experience real life in another country, and you keep your education happening too - which is by all means the most important thing for you.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:00 pm

Quoting AF340 (Reply 63):
and even Luxembourg up there

Luxembourg always seems to surprise people. While it's a lovely place with great people, it has a seedy underside, especially in Luxembourg City. I remember the first time I went there in my teens, I had heard that it could be questionable in some parts, especially after dark.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 65):
Most of Brussels is a pit!

Thank god someone finally agrees with me! I never was a big fan of Brussels, but people always called me crazy.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:56 pm

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I have alot of questions, Im just looking for answers at the moment..

Save the money, buy a ticket and go, simply have a look. If your first impression isn't negative return a few times, also for longer periods, other periods of the year and so on.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 62):
Moscow isn't Europe. Russia is part of Asia.

Haha, you'd better go back to your Geography class 1.1   Moscow IS in Europe. You can deny that fact, but everyone will laugh at you.
 
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RE: How Would I Travel To Europe?

Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:32 am

I can't believe noone has said this, but:

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
How Would I Travel To Europe?

Your options are plane or boat  

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