Fifa 2018 And 2022 Decisions Soon

bookishaviator · Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:06 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 49):
Hence why Australia will never, ever host a world-cup.

'Never' is debatable. There have been many cries of 'never' in relation to football/soccer in Australia in the past: never again will Australia reach the World Cup finals, never will Australia be able to sustain an even moderately professional soccer league, etc. But I do however share your pessimism - right now the economics are not working in Australia's favour.

I just hope that A-League management has a contingency plan for maintaining long-term interest in the league when the World Cup bid fails.

pacificjourney · Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:10 am

You guys have the time zone issue all wrong.

FIFA has no need to pander to european audiences, they're already going to watch. If it's a business case we're talking about then an Asia friendly time zone is the key.

The real issue for Australia is wether the other Asian votes can stomach 'their' turn at hosting being in a place many didn't want in the Asian Fed. in the first place.

The more I think about it the surer I am it will be the USA in 2022.

srbmod · Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:37 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
2) The league has two franchises specifically because of the market's strength. Ever wonder why New Jersey doesn't have 2 teams?

That's going to be rectified in the near future, as MLS is seriously considering a second NYC/NJ area team, more than likely a rebirth of the Cosmos.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
The new Cowboys Stadium would almost certainly be included, and is climate controlled but still has a little sun (so God can watch, after all :-P). I'm sure they can swap out their junk artificial pitch for a grass one.

Back in 1994, they played at the Pontiac Silverdome and used real grass that was placed on wooden pallets on top of the artificial turf.

When the Georgia Dome hosted friendlies the last few years, they've laid grass over the FieldTurf. They would do the same in Dallas at the New Cowboys Stadium. One of the other domed venues that would host matches, University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ, has a field that is rolled in and out of the stadium, so no issues there.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:43 pm

Russia 2018...still waiting for 2022 because Sepp Blatter is a moron

wolbo · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:44 pm

FIFA picks Russia for the 2018 WC. Always expected this would happen as it's a perfect fit: dictatorial organization/corruption/money selects dictatorial country/corruption/money. No critical press being nosy and asking awkward questions. Blatter must be in heaven.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:44 pm

Annnndddd....Qatar 2022

wolbo · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:45 pm

And Qatar as well.....

You could not pick a worse bid if you tried but again it's money, money and money.

senliture · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:47 pm

haha a country that doesn't even know how to play football and now a hosting nation. At least they changed the rules a few years back so that they still need to do the qualifying

wolbo · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:50 pm

Quoting Senliture (Reply 57):
haha a country that doesn't even know how to play football and now a hosting nation. At least they changed the rules a few years back so that they still need to do the qualifying

A host nation is still automatically qualified which I think is a good thing. It used to be the case that the World Champions were also automatically qualified but that has been changed.

fxramper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:51 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 56):
You could not pick a worse bid if you tried but again it's money, money and money.

For either year. What a rip off.

signol · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:52 pm

Quoting Senliture (Reply 57):
haha a country that doesn't even know how to play football and now a hosting nation

The Russians know how to play football

Quoting signol (Reply 16):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Qatar only wants the World Cup for reasons of commerce (just like the UAE and the Club World Cup), they don't really give a damn about the sport

Have you ever been there, spoken to locals? They are football mad! Love the game, and avid followers of the major European leagues.

Anyway, Fifa rejecting England showing how much they didn't like being exposed as corrupt. Bring on Panorama!

signol

bill142 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:56 pm

2018 Roman Abramovich World Cup - I guess he deserves naming rights since he bought it.

Quoting signol (Reply 60):
Anyway, Fifa rejecting England showing how much they didn't like being exposed as corrupt. Bring on Panorama!

Same with why they didn't choose Australia

senliture · Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:59 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 58):
A host nation is still automatically qualified which I think is a good thing. It used to be the case that the World Champions were also automatically qualified but that has been changed.

Yes you are right, my bad.

Quoting signol (Reply 60):
The Russians know how to play football

Russians are not of a concern, it's more like the other one. Are they allowed to have champagne for celebrations over there?

DanTaylor2006 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:00 pm

I'll get to see England host a World Cup before I die, LOL jk not if FIFA have anything to do with it.

Desperately disappointing day. I firmly believe Englands was one of, if not, the best bids for 2018. However, of course FIFA don't like people exposing them for what they are and if that's had a detrimental effect on our bid so be it. Let's just hope Russia can build all those hotels and Stadia before the event...

As to Qatar, what a joke. I'd have been happy with Australia. There'll be hell to pay if their 'Solar powered cooling' systems fail... but of course they have plenty of money to throw at it if it fails!

Right, let's focus on the next bid... oh wait, what's the point. Although maybe Sepp Blatter will have disappeared from FIFA by then and we'll have a better shot.

senliture · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:02 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 61):
Same with why they didn't choose Australia

We could, until the video came out yesterday. At least FIFA shows us how to vote, not how to back-stab and lost the election then say "I've won".

TheSonntag · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:03 pm

F***K Blatter! What a rediculous decision! I will boycott those games, thats for sure.

Sabena332 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:03 pm

What an utter joke! FIFA = corrupt scum!

Patrick

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:07 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 56):
You could not pick a worse bid if you tried but again it's money, money and money.

Oh you could...Somalia 2022. Iraq 2022. Worst of all, Ireland 2022!

But, yeah, it's pretty bad...at least we know FIFA is bankrolled until at least 2022 now. I enjoyed the jokes about the decision being "delayed until the Qatari check clears"

Quoting Senliture (Reply 57):
haha a country that doesn't even know how to play football and now a hosting nation.

Think about it this way - just hope and pray your country ends up in that Group! However, it wouldn't surprise me, with all the money Qatar has, that they buy some really good players and give them citizenship and eligibility for the team, so Qatar's 2022 squad might not be that bad.

fxramper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:08 pm

Qatar, the smallest nation to host the World Cup, used its 30-minute presentation to underline how the tournament could unify a region ravaged by conflict. Presenters also promised to overcome summer heat of up to 130 degrees by air conditioning outdoor stadiums it will build, then dismantle and give to needy nations.

Really? Like South Africa is? What a joke.

Quoting signol (Reply 60):

The Russians know how to play football

They failed to qualify the last three of five World Cups.

Severnaya · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:09 pm

A great result for the 2018!!!!!

Quoting wolbo (Reply 54):
Always expected this would happen as it's a perfect fit: dictatorial organization/corruption/money selects dictatorial country/corruption/money.

How easy to say this. What about Russia's (and Soviet Union) history of football, the many times (10 times) the WC has been in Western Europe. It's about time it's going to Eastern Europe. Why should it go once again to Western Europe? (maybe in 2026?)
You think South Africa, Germany, Japan & S-Korea, France, the USA etc are all corrupt/dictatorial/money according to your above quote? Interesting, interesting.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 54):
No critical press being nosy and asking awkward questions.

Oh don't show yourself in such a bad way as being on the loosing side. There is a sizable critical (mainly printed) press in Russia, don't be mistaken.

Now, for 2022, I can't stop laughing!!!

Qatar, ranked 113th on the FIFA ranking! Temperatures in summer ranging from 40 to 45 degrees Celcius!

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:10 pm

I'm not bought on Qatar actually holding it. We've seen how unstable oil based economies can be. Add to the small size of the country making it even more suceptible. I fear for this decision. It could happen that the UAE joins in the future with Qatar... to help.
UAE has actually qualified for the WC.

Russia, well, I can't say I am dissapointed. They are one of the biggest countries not to have yet hosted. I have to take a positive outlook on this one and hope they do a good job. I would help integrate Russia more to the world. So now with this, and again I still think 2022 could be moved... 2026 is surely to be either in China, Spain, England or the United States, with Australia an outside shot.

In 2030, if all goes well to plans underway by Argentina and Uruguay authorities, the World Cup would come back home... to the shores of the River Plate where it was conceived, 100 years later (a la Athens 2004).

Stabilator · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:11 pm

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 35):
I would prefer if my hometown Minneapolis was one of the venues for the World Cup if the U.S. got it in 2022, but oh well.

Same! I'd love to go to a World Cup game in Minneapolis. Unfortunately I don't think the Vikings will get an outdoor stadium and I doubt they could play at Target field.

TheSonntag · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:12 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 68):
They failed to qualify the last three of five World Cups.

To be fair, Russian football teams (with foreign players, but thats no difference to other European Leagues) scored pretty good results in european club football the last years, and Russia, or Soviet Union, played an important role in european football the last decades (at least around 30 or so years ago).

Still this decision smells of corruption. It is not that I do not think Russia never deserves a world cup, but given the current political climate, I would have preferred England.

Although, as a german fan I am not sure England is a safer place to visit

I have heard that England lost vs Germany during the last world cup

TheSonntag · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:15 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 70):
UAE has actually qualified for the WC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP6M0CDiSCY

Thorben · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:17 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 70):
UAE has actually qualified for the WC.

Yes, and 5:1 we played them in 1990. One of the greatest German WC games ever.

Quoting Derico (Reply 70):
In 2030, if all goes well to plans underway by Argentina and Uruguay authorities, the World Cup would come back home... to the shores of the River Plate where it was conceived, 100 years later (a la Athens 2004).

I'd love to see that, Argentina and Uruguay as common hosts.

signol · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:18 pm

Quoting Senliture (Reply 62):
it's more like the other one.

That is my point. Middle easterners *are* football mad, if you ever meet them, see kids playing on patches of dirt, people in cafes watching European leagues...

signol

fxramper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:23 pm

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 69):
Qatar, ranked 113th on the FIFA ranking! Temperatures in summer ranging from 40 to 45 degrees Celcius!

First time the host nation will go 0 - 3 in open matches.

Quoting Senliture (Reply 62):
Are they allowed to have champagne for celebrations over there?

Not when I was there. The only licensed shop you can buy alcohol at is the Qatar Distribution Company. To do so you need an alcohol permit. Unfortunately, you can’t enter the shop without an alcohol permit, and you can only get an alcohol permit in the shop. You can also buy alcohol from hotels, which are (wait for it) supplied by the Qatar Distribution Company.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:24 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 68):

They failed to qualify the last three of five World Cups.

They've got to stop that pre-qualification vodka tradition!

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 69):
A great result for the 2018!!!!!

Agreed - I think Russia is a great choice for 2018. Huge domestic market, but also a huge market to capture from...Moscow/St. Petersburg are only a few hours from the major hubs of Europe - UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain; also only a quick overnight from Japan and China. Domestic transport is pretty good by airline (and, to a lesser extent, train), security will be an issue but it usually is when a huge event is held anywhere.

fxramper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:27 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 78):
Domestic transport is pretty good by airline (and, to a lesser extent, train), security will be an issue but it usually is when a huge event is held anywhere.

Last time I paid $200 for a cab fare was in Moscow. Love those $500/night Best Western rooms too. I'll watch 2018 from home. Whining aside, Russia is better suited to host than Qatar.

wolbo · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:32 pm

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:44 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 74):

Thank you for that video. Not for the match part though. I'm in the process of becoming a German speaker, so I watch and read as much as a I can in the language.

Vielen dank. Ich brauche sehr oft üben, um Deutsch schnell zu lernen. Ich hoffe, daß Sie sich über die FIFA Entscheidungen beruhigt hat. Keine Boykott! Genießen Sie den Fußball. Vor acht Jahren habe ich diese Wahl gemacht, weil meine Mannschaft ganz schlimm geworden ist. Also bis bald.

Quoting signol (Reply 76):

I'd love to see that, Argentina and Uruguay as common hosts.

For sure ARG would bare 90% if not more of the costs and the cities hosting of the venues, but the symbolism of going back to Uruguay (and they got it in 1930 instead of us because they had Gold medals in the olympics), would be excellent. To play again in Montevideo 100 years later.

And supposedly by then, according to the Human Development we should be first world countries.... (again)

CamiloA380 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:46 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 70):
In 2030, if all goes well to plans underway by Argentina and Uruguay authorities, the World Cup would come back home... to the shores of the River Plate where it was conceived, 100 years later (a la Athens 2004)

Yeah, man that would be awesome! There are already some projects to build new stadiums in Uruguay. The thing is that there are still talks about if it will be Uruguay only or with Argentina. I would personally like the later one.

This is how the logo would look like.

Russia 2018 and Qatar 2022....i smell interesting soccer ahead.

Camilo

PWMRamper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:53 pm

So assuming the rules stay the same, no Europe or Asia for 2026, no Asia for 2030.

USA in 2026, Uruguay in 2030?

What happens if Qatar cannot meet demands? Does FIFA pull the rug out and move it elsewhere? USA is one of a few countries that could easily host a World Cup with zero advanced notice. We have the stadiums and infrastructure. Does FIFA delegate "backups"?

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:53 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 83):
The thing is that there are still talks about if it will be Uruguay only or with Argentina.

I woudn't mind that really, I just don't think it's possible. I don't think Qatar doing it is possible and they are awash in Peak Oil and real state bubble cash.

It's billions of dollars and Uruguay's bugdet is only so much. Also, it would involve building significant stadiums, 50.000 seaters, all over Uruguay in cities of not even 100.000. I mean anything is possible, but to me it would be like the boa trying to swallow the elephant.

And Uruguay is a very pragmatic nation, so I really doubt they would do it alone unless they really really could.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:06 pm

So, FIFA just gave the World Cup to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQLylizGmDs

Quoting FXramper (Reply 79):
Last time I paid $200 for a cab fare was in Moscow. Love those $500/night Best Western rooms too. I'll watch 2018 from home. Whining aside, Russia is better suited to host than Qatar.

There is more to Russia than Moscow. Plenty of other cities in Russia where games will be held.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 84):
USA in 2026, Uruguay in 2030?

Namibia 2030. We can hold the games in such megalopolises as:

Windhoek
Walvis Bay
Luderitz
Swakopmund

...uh...

Opuwo...

Hoachanas...

...uh...

Keetmanshoop?

[Edited 2010-12-02 09:08:50]

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:13 pm

Namibia-Uruguay 2030.

Alias1024 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:14 pm

Qatar???

Baking in the 115 F heat is exactly how I want to spend my summer vacation.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 88):
Namibia-Uruguay 2030

I mean, without that ocean, they border...

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:16 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 90):

There will be the Punta del Este-Walvis Bay AtlantoTunnel by then. No problem.

[Edited 2010-12-02 09:17:25]

Aeroflot777 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:36 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 79):
Last time I paid $200 for a cab fare was in Moscow.

I'm sorry you were ripped off

Why would you pay $200 for a cab ride is my question... My cab driver in Sydney last month wanted to rip me off by making me pay an extra 20$ AUD when he took me to the airport. Did I pay it? No. Gotta' be street smart, man - and be aware of your surroundings.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 79):
Love those $500/night Best Western rooms too.

Supply and demand. Hotel rooms in Moscow are expensive, everyone knows that. But on the other hand, this city of 12,000,000+ inhabitants draws a lot of tourists. So there ya go.

In all honesty, we all know FIFA (along with all other sport organizations lately) is a corrupt bunch and their decisions are often swayed. But you guys sit here and whine all day about this country and that country. Do you seriously think that nations such as the USA, Germany, England don't participate in corrupt practices these days? Give me a break... 'Nuff said.

JJJ · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:39 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 79):
Last time I paid $200 for a cab fare was in Moscow.

200$? Come on, 40/50€ gets you from Sheremetyevo or Domodedovo to any point in Moscow proper, and intra-city fares are cheaper than that.

Unless you got on one of those Cayenne taxis, of course.

ojas · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:40 pm

Qatar has wont he bid for 2022!!

For those of who you who are seriously ill informed about the weather conditions in Doha - Qatar need to "google" it out soon. Yes the summers are unforgiving, but that is only during the months of June - September. It gets pretty cold in winters and is very very pleasant during the months of Oct- Nov and Mar - April.

Secondly for those of you who think Qataris are not interested in football .... you need to know more. The qatari kids are virtually born with talent to play this sport. Yes they never made it to big tournaments, but still that doesn't stop them fr being crazy football fans!

AM744 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:47 pm

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 84):
What happens if Qatar cannot meet demands? Does FIFA pull the rug out and move it elsewhere? USA is one of a few countries that could easily host a World Cup with zero advanced notice. We have the stadiums and infrastructure. Does FIFA delegate "backups"?

I don't think there are designated bakcups, but it has happened in the past, Mexico took over from Colombia three years before kickoff for the 1986 FIFA World Cup.

PPVRA · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:01 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 88):
Namibia-Uruguay 2030.

Argentina-Chile-Uruguay would be a good one.

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:18 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 94):
Yes the summers are unforgiving, but that is only during the months of June - September

And what month(s) are the World Cup played? Not usually December...

Quoting ojas (Reply 94):
Secondly for those of you who think Qataris are not interested in football

They may be interested, but that doesn't mean they're good

sw733 · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting AM744 (Reply 95):
I don't think there are designated bakcups

Though I don't think it was ever official, weren't there rumors of a backup for South Africa, just in case they failed in the end? For some reason, my memory says someplace in Europe, like Germany (who had just hosted 2006 and have the facilities)

Derico · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:25 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 96):
Argentina-Chile-Uruguay would be a good one.

Too many countries. Realisticially Argentina-Uruguay, or Argentina-Chile.

Argentina would save much more if done with Chile, but of all those three countries the linchpin is Argentina. There won't be a WC in Uruguay or Chile otherwise, unless Chile really is rolling in cash at some point. Uruguay is just too small, I don't doubt their capabities, let it be clear.

fxramper · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:30 pm

USA can blame their (lost) bid on Morgan Freeman.

planesarecool · Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:51 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 94):
For those of who you who are seriously ill informed about the weather conditions in Doha - Qatar need to "google" it out soon. Yes the summers are unforgiving, but that is only during the months of June - September. It gets pretty cold in winters and is very very pleasant during the months of Oct- Nov and Mar - April.

And for those of you who are seriously ill informed about the time that the world cup is played need to "google" it out soon. Its played in June and July, during the 'unforgiving' summer.

The world cup should be about the players and the fans that come to watch the games. Having it in Qatar is nothing short of a joke.

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