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Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:17 pm

You know..it's one thing to be wrong and not know American history (as Palin has proven over and over again) it's another thing to slip-up on something and not admit that you're wrong!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43285196/ns/politics/

She claimed Paul Revere wanted to warn the British as well:

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"Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have," she added. "He did warn the British."

Just reading this quote makes me shake my head in amazement that she was once a governor   , I wonder what that says about the people of Alaska.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:45 pm

This is where she falls down. Instead of hiring the right staff and learning what to say and how to say it she continues along the same path and just shoots herself in the foot. Very careless.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:05 pm

You know, she really has no hope, nor any intention (I think) of running and winning the nomination.

But, it is entertaining to watch the media and the Left twist themselves into knots trying to tear her down.

Carry on.

And yes, she is very careless. Pity. Though she does make good cannon fodder.

By the way...let's see how many people get this right: what did Paul Revere actually warn? No fair looking it up.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
nor any intention (I think) of running and winning the nomination.

Oh I think she wants elected office badly. It gives her a longer shelf life than being a kingmaker or media darling. Yet these contstant blunders just set her back. Again hire the right people. Very important in politics.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:20 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Oh I think she wants elected office badly. It gives her a longer shelf life than being a kingmaker or media darling. Yet these contstant blunders just set her back. Again hire the right people. Very important in politics.

You're right. However, Palin's problem is that she wants to be ELECTED President , she doesn't want to be President. She's a pathological attention seeker and in doing so, she screws herself over. She isn't dumb, she's just really bad at trying to appear smart.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:26 am

How original.

yawn

What candidate in history hasn't run on their version of hope and change? Nothin but blowharded talking points.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:20 am

Quoting cws818 (Reply 14):
Maverick623, unlike you

LOL, actually I live 5 months a year in Laughlin so I spend quite a bit of time in AZ and around Arizonians so nice try.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 14):
Way to try to split hairs on a bald head!

Oh so there isn't much difference between a US senator and state senator? Sorry excuse me.   

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:28 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!  

aka Sara Palin Is an Idiot Volume #15632.

But then again, if it keeps her out of office, I'm happy with it. I actually kinda like what she's doing now. She can keep us entertained with as many stupid comments as she wants but there's no chance that she can actually screw anything up like a real politician.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:49 am

Well this is a woman that is stumped by trick questions such as: "What newspapers do you read?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

So I can't say I am surprised about the quote the OP mentioned. History is a lot more complicated than reading a newspaper.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:53 am

That was a "gotcha" question from a lame-stream media.   
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:24 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pa...equest_from_Dajames.2C_5_June_2011

Apparently some Palinites are trying to re-write the Paul Revere page on wikipedia so that she doesn't sound quite so...uninformed.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:01 pm

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 11):
Apparently some Palinites are trying to re-write the Paul Revere page on wikipedia so that she doesn't sound quite so...uninformed.

Exactly what i would expect them to do. Unfortunately for them, there is a Paul Revere website with the true story, as well as historical documents in history libraries throughout the United States, so they can change wikipedia all they want, the truth is still there...morons   
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:50 pm

And she is still more experienced and intelligent than Obama or Bidden .... Obama is not far from incoherent without a teleprompter and a huge support staff keeping it color coded for him. He blunders into tsunamis of idiocy ,.,, smirks and counts on the press to polish it up for him...

My favorite Obamaism ..... We need to change .. " change to what we once were or what we once could be " " That's hope America " ! .

Oh ya and the Tomb of the unknown Soldier .... "We are here to honor the long line of fallen heroes " Many of them we see In the crowd today" ... classic.

Not to mention his 180 deg incorrect position on the economy ... but hey .

Uh and she was right anyway .. Revere did warn the British .

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:56 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 13):
And she is still more experienced and intelligent than Obama or Bidden ....

Wow.

It's quite clear what defines 'intelligence' for you. Whomever plays to your cards and you agree with more.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 13):
And she is still more experienced and intelligent than Obama or Bidden

You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that. I feel sorry for you if you really think so...I really do.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:25 pm

Yes, and Joe the plumber is more intelligent than Einstein too. This kind of thing is really partisanship and ideologues at their worst.

Tell us AGM, do you find 'intelligent' and 'stupid' a simple matter of 'conservative' and 'liberal'?  scratchchin 

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting jpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
Tell us AGM, do you find 'intelligent' and 'stupid' a simple matter of 'conservative' and 'liberal'



I don't think Palin is stupid ... that's all. I don't think Obama is stupid either ... he just gets a pass on gaffs and and is proving to be over his head. But as a general rule I guess I am guilty of your accusation ... I don't think liberals are as smart as they think they are. The enlightened class of professors and university babies ... are dead wrong when it comes ideas that build a secure free society. They , in the search for equality and harmony are in fact supporting a powerful central government ...capable of enforcing "fairness" and "justice " via the M-16 and they don't even see it.

They protest the power ...and in turn support politicians who are building their prison. They protest the "man" ! and yet gladly empower him with more taxes and control. I call it maggie's farm syndrome ..they protest the farm while slaving away building it up and strengthening the task masters hand. The liberals claim to be about openness and free expression ... but openly support communism and socialism ... it is purely bi polar rational .

But anyway ... have a nice day .
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 13):
And she is still more experienced and intelligent than Obama or Bidden ....

Hmm, that's just silly. It really is. Anyway, Bidden?? If we're to have a discussion about who of these is the most intelligent, we could perhaps start by spelling their names correctly.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
The liberals claim to be about openness and free expression ... but openly support communism and socialism ... it is purely bi polar rational .


Wow, once again we arrive at some of your favorite words. So thus, in general, liberals or American Democrats by affiliation, are just another bunch of pinkos, eh?

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm

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but openly support communism and socialism

You really should stop talking about this, because it is quite clear that you have not looked up these terms in the dictionary, let alone come to understand them in any deep sense.

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Hmm, that's just silly. It really is. Anyway, Bidden?? If we're to have a discussion about who of these is the most intelligent, we could perhaps start by spelling their names correctly.

A couple of weeks ago, he went on a rant about how school kids were being "indoctrinated" by Black History month and knew more about Rosa Parks than "Luis and Clark."

When asked for evidence about what kind of "programming" schools were doing, after first opening the door about it by mentioning that he had seen this directly in educational materials his kids received, he offered no evidence and refused to answer any questions about it.

I'm still waiting to see if "Luis and Clark" are the Bolivian Wonder Woman and her boyfriend.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
but there's no chance that she can actually screw anything up like a real politician.

Sure, Pelosi, Reid and Obama have been doing enough of that lately.   
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
By the way...let's see how many people get this right: what did Paul Revere actually warn? No fair looking it up.

"The regulars are coming! The regulars are coming!"

Anyway, here's an excerpt from an article that came through my news feed on facebook about this subject:

She was always kind of right. Look, from the point of view of strategic communications, Revere’s ride did indeed warn the British that fighting in the colonies was going to be tougher than they’d thought. That’s a sort of meta way of looking at it, we suppose, but that’s what they teach in the colleges these days. If we were her that’s the defense we’d use – it has the virtue of being both logical and vague enough to avoid further discussion.

She remains kind of wrong. The historical record says nothing about Revere talking to the British about guns, specifically. So for Palin to say he said “you won’t be taking our arms” is technically non-factual. The Second Amendment was not yet in existence – that was passed under the administration of President Charlton Heston. Plus, Revere didn’t shoot anything from his horse. Church bells might have been ringing, though.

She can't win on this subject. Here’s something Palin’s advisers should tell her: “When you get into an argument about details with a media that buys its pixels by the barrelful, you’re always going to lose. And prolonging this discussion isn’t going to win you any votes if you run for president or viewers if you make another reality show. All it does is emphasize one of your negatives – many voters aren’t sure of your grasp of details. You need to change the subject.”

How should she handle more questions? Just say “Paul Revere’s ride was a wake-up call for the British. Now, I’d rather talk about our national debt than what a silversmith said two centuries ago to soldiers of a country that’s our closest ally today.”
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:08 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 22):
How should she handle more questions? Just say “Paul Revere’s ride was a wake-up call for the British. Now, I’d rather talk about our national debt than what a silversmith said two centuries ago to soldiers of a country that’s our closest ally today.”

The problem that is the question that we all want answered is that you know discussion about that thing that is the national debt is far less interesting to the American people than those who would play gotcha politics and demand an end to socialism and our Constitution and our military, with whom Paul Revere was a hero to us all.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:59 pm

Why, is so hard for her just to say? " Yea, got my facts wrong, sorry. Not my best day."
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:13 pm

Quoting ATTart (Reply 24):
Why, is so hard for her just to say? " Yea, got my facts wrong, sorry. Not my best day."

Well she is cut from that cloth Clinton and Rangel are where they can't just say they screwed up. I got to give Weiner credit for what he did today. That took guts.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
Well she is cut from that cloth Clinton and Rangel are where they can't just say they screwed up.

Bulldoodoo. She's cut from the same cloth as anyone who is uneducated but insists he or she is the smartest person in the world.

I can't even compare her to another republican. She is one of a kind. She doesn't admit that she's wrong because by god, she believes that she is right. Don't retreat, reload. Anyone who tells her she's wrong is just another leftist lame-stream media hack from the elitist northeast. Like Paul Revere.




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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 26):
but insists he or she is the smartest person in the world.

I must have missed that, you got a link?

Quoting D L X (Reply 26):
I can't even compare her to another republican. She is one of a kind. She doesn't admit that she's wrong because by god, she believes that she is right. Don't retreat, reload. Anyone who tells her she's wrong is just another leftist lame-stream media hack from the elitist northeast. Like Paul Revere.

Though this really does sound a lot like Nancy Pelosi.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:44 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 27):

Though this really does sound a lot like Nancy Pelosi.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 27):
I must have missed that, you got a link?

How is it that you're always asking for links?
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:54 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 29):
How is it that you're always asking for links?

Actually I asked for a link that confirms this.

Quoting D L X (Reply 26):
but insists she is the smartest person in the world.

Sarah Palin has championed many things but to say she goes around propagating she is the smartest is totally baseless. This could be said for many others like Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow who constantly talk down to us mere minions but sorry Palin doesn't.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:20 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 27):
I must have missed that, you got a link?

You know exactly what I'm talking about. Chris Wallace asks Palin "you know you got that wrong, right?" And she says "no, I'm right." In other words, everyone else is wrong.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:31 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 31):
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Chris Wallace asks Palin "you know you got that wrong, right?" And she says "no, I'm right." In other words, everyone else is wrong.

Personally it's a bit of a stretch. She continues to put her foot in her mouth and that may be but to say by this she feels she is smarter than everyone is not very accurate. It is also borne out of the hatred from the media and jealousy they have for her by an elitist attitude of people like Chris Matthews who make less money by working much harder than just traveling the country and greasing palms and dodging every media outlet other than Fox.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:27 am

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Personally it's a bit of a stretch.

No it's not. She's plainly wrong on a knowable thing. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact, and she's got the facts completely wrong.

I love how educated people who understand something called "the historical record" are "elitists." I think people who didn't work hard in school should stop attempting to denigrate those who did.

If it's a choice between elitism and willful ignorance, I'll choose elitism every single time. But of course, an elite is inevitable.

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Though this really does sound a lot like Nancy Pelosi.

Which suggests that either you've never heard a word Nancy Pelosi has spoken or you are once again attempting to blame everything from the fall of Rome to the common cold on Nancy Pelosi.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:31 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 33):
No it's not. She's plainly wrong on a knowable thing. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact, and she's got the facts completely wrong.

That is not what we are talking about. We know this. Read my whole post.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 33):
If it's a choice between elitism and ignorance, I'll choose elitism every single time. But of course, an elite is inevitable.

One is not exclusive of the other. Sure being a historical scholar is great but it can lead to the arrogance as well when people feel others are not worthy of office if they don't have the same education. It cuts both ways.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:42 am

The question that was asked to

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 32):
Chris Matthews who make less money by working much harder than just traveling the country and greasing palms and dodging every media outlet other than Fox.

It was not Chris Mathews it was Chris Wallace she was on. She defended her comment and stated "She knows her American history?" She also state she was asked "She was asked a gotcha question". However the question was "What did you take from your visit?" She was not asked about Paul Revere's ride.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:48 am

Quoting ATTart (Reply 35):
It was not Chris Mathews it was Chris Wallace she was on. She defended her comment and stated "She knows her American history?" She also state she was asked "She was asked a gotcha question". However the question was "What did you take from your visit?" She was not asked about Paul Revere's ride.

I wasn't making a reference to Wallace at all. It was another topic and another example. We know what her MO is for any interview and that includes FOX as well.
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:48 am

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That is not what we are talking about.

Sure it is. By saying "I'm not wrong" when you are wrong, you are basically saying that it's not you that's wrong, it's the world. In Sarah Palin's world, 2+2=5, and when confronted with this mathematical wrongness, she'll tell you it's you that's wrong. You and everybody else.

To admit that she is wrong would be to fundamentally have to admit that her world view is flawed.

The thing of it is, everybody's world view has flaws. Nobody has a completely realistic picture of everything. Some issues arouse more passions than others, some issues you'll have opinions on that are unusual or maybe incorrect. But to not have any concept of this or to be totally unable to admit any mistake...

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being a historical scholar is great but it can lead to the arrogance

Except that to fans of Joe the Plumber, every educated person is an elitist. And all educated people are arrogant and for lack of a better word, "uppity."

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as well when people feel others are not worthy of office if they don't have the same education. It cuts both ways.

Let me inform you of one of the most basic parts of being a liberal - it's questioning everything. That's what Liberalism is. Including whether or not one has to have a seven degrees behind their name to justify their job or their position in the world. That includes people who you may really like. That's why Liberals in politics have a much harder time of enforcing party discipline.

The ideas of "All men are created equal" and "one man, one vote" are liberal values descended from philosophers like John Locke. Without scholars like this, our country and indeed, our world, would not exist. Know-nothing conservatives love to deride all remotely intellectual people as Marxists these days, but the scholars who led to our own founding were just as radical in their day as Marx was in his.

Palin et. al. love to wrap themselves in our nations founders - and crap all over the very ideas that they wanted to instill in our nation - equality for everyone, meritocracy (not inherited wealth and landed gentry), freedom from state religion, and the right to expression of opinions different from those in the mainstream. But when they talk about them, they often reveal a sort of kindergarten-level understanding of our nation's origins, which is what led to this very discussion.

I don't think it's arrogance or elitism that leads me to call out a person who is wrong on basic facts and yet wields enough influence to have followers ready to attack Wikipedia to attempt to rewrite historical record to match what their hapless icon has determined is reality.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 36):
I wasn't making a reference to Wallace at all. It was another topic and another example. We know what her MO is for any interview and that includes FOX as well.

Sorry, NICKV69!!
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:59 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 37):
To admit that she is wrong would be to fundamentally have to admit that her world view is flawed.

So if you screw up a history fact then your whole view of government is flawed? Sorry but this is just simply more partisan tom foolery. If you don't agree with her view of small government, less taxes and conservative social views fine but this like I said is total stretch.

There are plenty of conservatives out there that share the same views she does yet don't get history facts wrong. Does this render them equally unable to be an executive or lawmaker? Or is that they don't make millions upon millions going on photo ops and get people to the voting booth like Palin does?
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:07 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 32):
Personally it's a bit of a stretch.

I think you are taking things way too literally.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:08 am

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So if you screw up a history fact then your whole view of government is flawed?

No, that's not what I said.

To admit that she made a mistake would be to admit publicly that not everything she says is accurate or true. Which would likely open the door to the realization that nearly all of what she says is inaccurate at best, and often totally false.

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If you don't agree with her view of small government, less taxes and conservative social views fine but this like I said is total stretch.

No. What's "stretching" and "partisan tomfoolery" is your outrageous and continuous - one might even say omnipresent - libeling of Nancy Pelosi. Did she also kidnap the Lindbergh baby?

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Does this render them equally unable to be an executive or lawmaker?

Not at all.

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Or is that they don't make millions upon millions going on photo ops and get people to the voting booth like Palin does?

It could be that they are smarter than she is and more interested in being public servants rather than public shills. If Republicans wanted to get behind Olympia Snowe in the way they have Sarah Palin, I might be standing with them - although I'd have to hold my nose. But they've chosen Palin - an incompetent, embarrassing symbol for how low Americans can sink.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:18 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 41):
To admit that she made a mistake would be to admit publicly that not everything she says is accurate or true.

I agree 100% but you used the term "world view" and that was a little broad IMO.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 41):
No. What's "stretching" and "partisan tomfoolery" is your outrageous and continuous - one might even say omnipresent - libeling of Nancy Pelosi. Did she also kidnap the Lindbergh baby?

Libel means to slander someone. I doubt my words had to do with the 60 some odd seats she lost in addition to her gavel in addition to an approval rating under 30%. The woman is a horrid law maker, refuses to cross the aisle and was horrible at communication. That is why she is where she is at and why our economy is getting worse. Not me.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 41):
It could be that they are smarter than she is and more interested in being public servants rather than public shills. If Republicans wanted to get behind Olympia Snowe in the way they have Sarah Palin, I might be standing with them - although I'd have to hold my nose. But they've chosen Palin - an incompetent, embarrassing symbol for how low Americans can sink.

I haven't see many Republicans getting behind her in fact they want her to go away and run for a smaller office and get some seasoning. This way she can deal with the media better and improve her image with the middle. Then these constant media assaults will be a non-issue.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:02 am

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I agree 100% but you used the term "world view" and that was a little broad IMO.

I can agree with that, yes.

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Libel means to slander someone.

Yes it does.

See:

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refuses to cross the aisle


Simply not true. And...

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The woman is a horrid law maker,

Also not true. She was very effective at her job. But I still think she was a poor choice for speaker and did a poor job at organizing her caucus and negotiating with the other democratic leaders. And...

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That is why she is where she is at and why our economy is getting worse.

Nancy Pelosi is not why our economy is getting "worse" - which, by the way, it isn't. It isn't getting "better" fast enough, but it isn't getting "worse."

There's been an extremely effective demonization of Nancy Pelosi by the Right wing, and if people want to believe things like "Nancy Pelosi is who should be blamed for the Bush Administration's torture practices" then...okay. But don't ask me to respect people who believe such obvious claptrap.

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Then these constant media assaults will be a non-issue.

What is a "Media Assault"? Every time she has gotten in high profile trouble, it has been of her own making. "Oh, I read all of them. Every publication."

At some point, you have to stop making excuses for somebody who is always acting like a buffoon and then blaming her mistakes on others. If this was your co-worker, you'd want her fired. If this was your employee, you'd fire her.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:26 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 43):
Simply not true

"We Won"?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 43):
She was very effective at her job. But I still think she was a poor choice for speaker and did a poor job at organizing her caucus and negotiating with the other democratic leaders. And...

I think it was due to her far left leanings and refusal to work with the moderate part of her party till she had no choice. A la public option.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 43):
There's been an extremely effective demonization of Nancy Pelosi by the Right wing, and if people want to believe things like "Nancy Pelosi is who should be blamed for the Bush Administration's torture practices" then...okay. But don't ask me to respect people who believe such obvious claptrap.

You can't hang it all on the media. she passed a bill the majority of the country opposed and it followed her to 2010.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 43):
What is a "Media Assault"? Every time she has gotten in high profile trouble, it has been of her own making. "Oh, I read all of them. Every publication."

Was Barack Obama ever asked "what he reads?" Would any up and comer from the Democratic party be asked if they agree with Doctrines? I mean she was handled quite differently by the left media outlets. Is it her fault for not being prepared? Sure but a left candidate would never get that treatment.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 43):
At some point, you have to stop making excuses for somebody who is always acting like a buffoon and then blaming her mistakes on others. If this was your co-worker, you'd want her fired. If this was your employee, you'd fire her.

Probably but she is out making a living, She wouldn't be my first choice but she has proven to be a decent executive as long as she doesn't quit and at this point I would take her in the WH instead of what we have now.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:05 am

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"We Won"

After six years of things like Terry Schaivo, an appropriate comment, and a true one. One echoed recently by the GOP leadership, as I recall. Absolutely irrelevant, however, insofar as she often went out of her way as speaker to give Republicans the chance to contribute. In the last two congresses, they decided they wanted nothing to do with anything Democrats were doing, good for the country or not. Instead of working with Democrats on healthcare, they talked about "Death Panels" - an idea spawned by a Republican (Johnny Isaakson) who then ran away from it in terror. I'm tired of hearing how Nancy Pelosi never reaches across the aisle but Republicans always do. This is, if anything, the opposite of the real situation. Democrats are always offering Republicans chances at compromise - Republicans are never interested in anything but getting 100% of their way.

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I think it was due to her far left leanings

She's not far left. I mean, she just isn't. I'm sorry but she's not a Marxist or any of the other things she's been called. Her record is moderate, her views are moderate, and her statements are moderate. In fact, one of my main criticisms of her is that she was not liberal enough - and therefore a bad choice for progressives.

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she passed a bill the majority of the country opposed and it followed her to 2010.

Except that a majority of the country supported it, and in fact, many who opposed it did so not because they felt it went to far (as conservatives would have you believe) but because they wanted single payer healthcare, which the Democrats knew the Republicans would not agree to, and so they sacrificed it in a vain attempt at compromise. In fact, the Republicans aren't interested in any healthcare reform at all, so compromise was never their intention. Delay and eventual denial was.

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Was Barack Obama ever asked "what he reads?"

Yes.

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Would any up and comer from the Democratic party be asked if they agree with Doctrines?

Which doctrines? From where? Who's doctrines?

The fact that she utterly flubbed what was really a softball question is one of the things that has led to her being a joke to many people. She honestly had no idea what Charles Gibson was talking about. That is not acceptable in a Vice Presidential Candidate - just as it was not acceptable when Dan Quayle was in the same position and seriously unacceptable when it was Admiral Stockdale. I would argue, in fact, that like Sarah Palin did to the McCain candidacy in 2008, Admiral Stockdale's presence on the ticket seriously undermined H. Ross Perot.

She was a half term governor who was completely new to the national scene. It was not at all unreasonable to ask her the questions she was asked - questions which had already been put to Barack Obama during his rise to the national scene. Admiral Stockdale gave poor answers and poor performances too - and was roundly pilloried for it.

She didn't have any good answers - because she is incompetent. And now, if you ask the very Alaskans who elected her, many will tell you that they wish she'd just go away forever.

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I mean she was handled quite differently by the left media outlets.

What are the "left" media outlets? Anything but Fox News? You may not like what the media says, that doesn't give you license to shoot the messenger or, as right wing news sources do, muddy the waters until there is no qualitative standard in reporting for people who believe what the right wing says.

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Sure but a left candidate would never get that treatment.

If a left wing candidate gave such ridiculous answers and such a poor performance, they'd be laughed off the stage and would never get beyond that interview. But for some reason, it's okay when it's Sarah Palin or Jan Breuer. Perhaps you don't remember Michael Dukakis, but he flubbed alot of things - and the media repeated everything he said ad nauseum.

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She wouldn't be my first choice but she has proven to be a decent executive as long as she doesn't quit

You're obviously unfamiliar with her long trail of messes in Alaska - an astonishing number of scandals for just two and a half years in office, and a record of doing exactly the things she decries now - spending tons of cash and hitting up the feds for pet projects whenever possible.

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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:41 am

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
Democrats are always offering Republicans chances at compromise - Republicans are never interested in anything but getting 100% of their way.

Only when they need their votes. When they had the supermajority they do what they did with the health care bill. Ram it through quickly. Pass it so we can see what it contains.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
She's not far left. I mean, she just isn't. I'm sorry but she's not a Marxist or any of the other things she's been called. Her record is moderate, her views are moderate, and her statements are moderate. In fact, one of my main criticisms of her is that she was not liberal enough - and therefore a bad choice for progressives.

She supports late term abortion, increasing entitlements, was against the secure fence act, would go with single payer if she could get it passed. She may not be Bernie Sanders but she is far from Moderate. When I think of a moderate Democrat I think of Andrew Cuomo not her.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
Yes.

Link?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
Which doctrines? From where? Who's doctrines?

That is just it, it was a manufactured question designed for her. Obama got such softball treatment on his rise to President from a state senator. It was night and day.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
The fact that she utterly flubbed what was really a softball question is one of the things that has led to her being a joke to many people. She honestly had no idea what Charles Gibson was talking about. That is not acceptable in a Vice Presidential Candidate - just as it was not acceptable when Dan Quayle was in the same position and seriously unacceptable when it was Admiral Stockdale. I would argue, in fact, that like Sarah Palin did to the McCain candidacy in 2008, Admiral Stockdale's presence on the ticket seriously undermined H. Ross Perot.

Oh I agree but it doesn't change the fact that Obama didn't get near this treatment in fact the only tough line of questioning he got was from Joe the Plumber and we know how bad Obama flubbed that when he tought nobody was listening. "Spread the wealth" This was the sort of questioning he should have got from CNN or NBC. Yet he never did and ducked FOX. Much like Palin ducks CNN and NBC now.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
What are the "left" media outlets? Anything but Fox News? You may not like what the media says, that doesn't give you license to shoot the messenger or, as right wing news sources do, muddy the waters until there is no qualitative standard in reporting for people who believe what the right wing says.

I don't really think it's fair to say MSNBC is not far left, they are. CNN is a little better but they make no bones where their agenda lies. I am not shooting any messenger just stating the facts as they exist.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:39 pm

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Only when they need their votes. When they had the supermajority they do what they did with the health care bill. Ram it through quickly. Pass it so we can see what it contains.

Once again, incorrect. During the Healthcare bill debate, Republicans were given equal seats at the table in all negotiations, despite the fact that they were in a deep minority at the time - which means that their representation in committee and bill writing discussions was actually stronger than their real numbers in congress. Instead of focusing on something that they had derailed once before, to our detriment, they chose to derail again and muddy the waters so that we could have conversations like "They passed it with nobody reading it." I guarantee you they did not. That is why congressmen have staffs of aids and stacks of paper everywhere. They know what is in the bill.

Instead of real debate, we got one side focusing on making healthcare better and once side saying: "alot of people are gonna die" - Rep. Paul Broun. The democrats gave away miles in territory to the Republicans hoping to inspire them to do their jobs and actually govern and they decided not to - the result is a bill that nobody really loves.

The Democrats should have done exactly what you say - just rammed through what they wanted in the first place. We'd all be better off for it. But they didn't.

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She supports late term abortion,

Not as it is made out in the conservative media, she doesn't. But she does favor protecting the life of the mother.

Sometimes I think for conservatives life and healthcare we need to protect and provide begins at conception and ends at birth. Sarah Palin thinks raped women should be forced to have their rapists' babies. What Nancy Pelosi supports on this issue is providing necessary medical care.

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increasing entitlements,

Nope.

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was against the secure fence act,

Against wasting resources on something extremely unlikely to do anything about illegal immigration? I think she's right. "let's build a fence! Because people who are willing to be piled into a trailer by the hundred and sit in there for days without food or water will totally be deterred by a fence!"

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would go with single payer if she could get it passed.

And she'd be right to do it. Because other countries have demonstrated that it works far better than what we have.

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She may not be Bernie Sanders

Also not far left, although closer than Nancy Pelosi.

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Link?

Do you remember when conservative media went ballistic over Obama being in a photo with a copy of Fareed Zakaria's "The Post-American World" and how it "proved Obama was Muslim." Or how about the endless conservative diatribes about Obama's teenage reading of Frank Marshall and how it "proves" he's a communist? Or what about the fact that many Conservative media have reported that Obama has read the Communist Manifesto and how that "proves" he's a communist?

Most people who take an introductory politics class in college have to read the Communist Manifesto or at least the Marx-Engels reader. Simply reading these things doesn't make you one thing or another. In fact, I'm certain that most Republicans had to read these books too, including Yale-educated George W. Bush.

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That is just it, it was a manufactured question designed for her.

In a time when we're involved in two wars and your presidential running mate is over the age of 70, and your own party started both wars I don't think it's in any way wrong to question somebody on military doctrines.

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This was the sort of questioning he should have got from CNN or NBC. Yet he never did and ducked FOX. Much like Palin ducks CNN and NBC now.

And in fact, he got plenty of tough questions from them. He also had several opponents constantly digging up dirt on him and putting it on these media channels. In alot of ways, Hillary Clinton's campaign was doing to Obama what Charles Gibson was doing to Sarah Palin. And then CNN and MSNBC would cover it - often slanting coverage strongly against Obama, particularly CNN.

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I don't really think it's fair to say MSNBC is not far left, they are

No, they're not.

"Far Left" is The Socialist Worker. And it's as looney-tunes as Worldnet Daily. But it isn't taken seriously by anybody on the left. Worldnet Daily is a regular player in the Conservative media now.

This idea that the media is all "far left" and "liberal" - it's a cop out. If your ideas can't stand up to criticism, don't blame those doing the criticism. And don't mistake the kind of hair-on-fire stuff you hear on Fox as real news.
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:27 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 47):
Not as it is made out in the conservative media, she doesn't. But she does favor protecting the life of the mother.

She voted against the ban on late term abortions no? You either favor or don't late term abortion. I am not talking about if the mother's life is in immiment danger, that is a given.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 47):
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increasing entitlements,

Nope.
http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Nancy_Pelosi.htm

Actually her track record is quite clear, the only reason she is playing ball now when it comes to cutting SS and Medicare is she has no choice and knows it's broke in 20 years.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 47):
Hillary Clinton's campaign was doing

I didn't say an rival campaign I said the media.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 47):
No, they're not.

"Far Left" is The Socialist Worker. And it's as looney-tunes as Worldnet Daily. But it isn't taken seriously by anybody on the left. Worldnet Daily is a regular player in the Conservative media now.

Semantics is fine, Like I said you can spin it any number of ways but MSNBC is very Liberal. You want to say they aren't "far" left fine but their agenda includes single payer health care, little or no guns. 10-15% higher taxes and worse for big biusiness and open borders. Call it macaroni but on a relative scale in this country and not in a sense of Europe that is very far left.
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:59 am

How did this conversation turn from Sarah Palin and her Paul Revere blunder to health care and Pelosi?
 
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RE: Palin's Paul Revere Blunder!

Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:14 pm

Isn't it obvious that Nancy Pelosi forced Sarah Palin to say what she did about Paul Revere?  

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