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The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:54 am

Let's discuss our agenda, gays.

I love hearing about the gay agenda. Fox News tells me about it, Focus on the Family tells me about it, the Republican party is actively out to destroy it. Sadly, they clearly haven't read it, since what they're talking about is barely on the minds of any gays I know. (I mean, I know what it is, but I doubt they do)

What do YOU think the agenda is?

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:03 am

To be able to love the person they love and not have a bunch of up tight people make a big deal out of nothing.
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:11 am

 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:55 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):

What do YOU think the agenda is?

The pussification of America.

Oh, wait, the radical feminists have already taken care of that.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:08 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):
radical feminists

Yeah, the radical feminists and the gays have the same sort of agenda - to be treated as equally respected and valuable members of society and to have the same rights and opportunities as everyone else.

Is that what you mean by

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):
The pussification of America.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:13 am

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 4):

He was being facetious I'm pretty sure.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:15 am

6:45 AM: Alarm goes off
6:45:02 AM: Snooze button gets hit
7:00 AM Alarm goes off again
7:00:02 AM: Alarm is shut off
7:01 AM: Cuddle with husband and little white poodle, bemoan the fact that we have to wake up, prepare for...
7:01:02 AM: Thorough face licking from labradoodle puppy
7:10 AM: Actually haul butt out of bed, shower, shave, brush teeth, get dressed
7:45 AM: Breakfast, comment on latest airliners news
8:00 AM: Leave the house, four flights down to car
8:03 AM: Return to house, four flights up from car, to retrieve lunch
8:05 AM: Depart for work, fight through traffic
9:00 AM: Arrive at work, deal with an in-box piled with various to-do items
9:10 AM: First patient roomed, start morning clinic
Noon: Technically lunch hour. If I'm lucky enough to get out of the office by this time, go swim for a bit. Quite often, work straight through the two hours technically allotted to "lunch."
2:00 PM: Afternoon clinic starts
5:20 PM (or so): Finish last patient
6:00 PM: Finish answering phone messages, depart for swim practice
6:40 PM: Arrive at pool, change
7:00 PM: Swim practice
8:15 PM: Finish swimming. Shower, dress.
8:30 PM: Drive home
9:15 PM: Arrive home
9:15:23 PM: Get jumped on by a labradoodle puppy and a little white poodle. Try to get them to settle the hell down.
9:16 PM: Greet husband. Talk about day.
9:25 PM: Dinner, followed by posting on A.net wile husband flies Flight Sim TG A350
10:30 PM: Start heading upstairs for bed
11:00 PM: Go to bed
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:49 am

Now, keep this quiet. If this release goes out, Elton John and the gay mafia might take away my pink tutu and cruising privileges.

8:00 a.m.- Wake up. Wonder where you are.
8:01 a.m.- Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don't panic; you're not slumming.
8:02 a.m.- Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won't be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter "sorry" as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you "loan" him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.
8:05 a.m.- Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, "Here's a subway token. Don't steal anything on the way out," as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.
8:06 a.m.- Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.
8:07 a.m.- Make a high protein breakfast while watching CNN. Wonder if the stories you've heard about Cooper are true. Decide they must be.
8:30 a.m.- Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.
8:45 a.m.- Climb into red Miata and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.
9:35 a.m.- Stroll into office.
9:36 a.m.- Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add, "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."
10:15 a.m.- Leave office, telling your secretary you are "meeting with a client." Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying "lolCats" printout she has tacked to her cubicle wall).
10:30 a.m.- Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.
11:30 a.m.- Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your iPhone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which parties everyone is going to and which are so over.
12:00pm- Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.
12:30 p.m.- Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend's boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.
1:00 p.m.- Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from manhunt.com chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d' recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.
2:30 p.m.- "Dessert at your place." Find out, once again, people lie on the internet.
3:33 p.m.- Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.
4:10 p.m.- Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.
4:30 p.m.- Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.
6:00 p.m.- Open a fabulous new bottle of Pinot Noir.
6:47 p.m.- Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.
7:00 p.m.- Go to Brooks Brothers.
7:40 p.m.- Stop cruising the cute new (and definitely confused) associate in underwear at Brooks Brothers and actually begin shopping.
8:30 p.m.- Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be "over" by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.
10:30 p.m.- Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can't navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how "trashy" people who still think smoking is acceptable are.
12:00 a.m.- "Nightcap at your place." Find out that people lie in bars, too.

This was actually e mailed to me by a friend in the mid-90's, so I had to change a few dated references (like AOL) to update it. I'm not sure who actually wrote it.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:51 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
6:45 AM: Alarm goes off
6:45:02 AM: Snooze button gets hit
7:00 AM Alarm goes off again
7:00:02 AM: Alarm is shut off
7:01 AM: Cuddle with husband and little white poodle, bemoan the fact that we have to wake up, prepare for...
7:01:02 AM: Thorough face licking from labradoodle puppy
7:10 AM: Actually haul butt out of bed, shower, shave, brush teeth, get dressed
7:45 AM: Breakfast, comment on latest airliners news
8:00 AM: Leave the house, four flights down to car
8:03 AM: Return to house, four flights up from car, to retrieve lunch
8:05 AM: Depart for work, fight through traffic
9:00 AM: Arrive at work, deal with an in-box piled with various to-do items
9:10 AM: First patient roomed, start morning clinic
Noon: Technically lunch hour. If I'm lucky enough to get out of the office by this time, go swim for a bit. Quite often, work straight through the two hours technically allotted to "lunch."
2:00 PM: Afternoon clinic starts
5:20 PM (or so): Finish last patient
6:00 PM: Finish answering phone messages, depart for swim practice
6:40 PM: Arrive at pool, change
7:00 PM: Swim practice
8:15 PM: Finish swimming. Shower, dress.
8:30 PM: Drive home
9:15 PM: Arrive home
9:15:23 PM: Get jumped on by a labradoodle puppy and a little white poodle. Try to get them to settle the hell down.
9:16 PM: Greet husband. Talk about day.
9:25 PM: Dinner, followed by posting on A.net wile husband flies Flight Sim TG A350
10:30 PM: Start heading upstairs for bed
11:00 PM: Go to bed

Thats disgusting.   (Daily Show, anyone?)
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:55 am

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 1):
To be able to love the person they love and not have a bunch of up tight people make a big deal out of nothing.

  

I would add to that, make the up tight people realize that who we choose to love and have sexual relations with isn't going to really effect them.

Other than that I would add that we should make sure that all people have great shoes, and ban those big clunky things that some of heterosexual males I know insist on wearing. Also to ban pleated pants. But I maybe wishing for too much all at once.  


According to some lovely people this is the gay agenda:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda

One of my favorite parts would be this line:

"Among all the liberal belief systems, the homosexual ideology is the most self-centered or selfish. Liberals generally give much less than conservatives to charity, but gay charity work in particular is virtually non-existent."

[Edited 2011-06-15 23:02:01]

[Edited 2011-06-15 23:04:35]
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:51 am

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 9):
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda



Holy crap. that's scary stuff!

The only gay agenda I regularly get in touch with is my barber. His agenda is quite clearly to convince me that gay sex is great. Now I'm straight myself, but according to him "you should try it at least once", haha no thank you!  
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:17 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
fight through traffic

What do you want in California!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
husband flies Flight Sim TG A350

Fail, fly the 787!
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:03 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
but according to him "you should try it at least once", haha no thank you!

But... He's right...  

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:24 am

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 9):
According to some lovely people this is the gay agenda:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosex...genda

Please tell me this site is set up as an ironic joke. Scary, scary stuff. Some of the rhetoric is stomach churning.

When it comes to the gay agenda for us girls, I think I'm missing something. I've not got a mullet of Buzzcut haircut, My armpits are shaved along with legs and any other 'Area' that requires it. Hell I even wear dresses. I'm sorry, but just because I'm a lesbian doesn't mean I have to get a check shirt out. Besides, I'm fed up of the boys looking better than us!

BTW as far as I can understand, the Gay agenda only exist to promote the wonder of Judy Garland   
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 12):

But... He's right...

Haha well this is one of the few things I can say I wouldn't enjoy, even without trying   Nothing against gay sex or anything, but the female body parts get me a lot more excited than a scruffy moustache breathing down my neck.

[Edited 2011-06-16 03:41:46]
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:35 pm

Will someone PLEASE think of the children??

Sorry... just had to interject some childish humor 

The gay agenda? What's that? Oh! The "agenda" that gays and lesbians have to live in harmony and peace and to live their own lives free of persecution, hate or fear.

Sounds pretty scary to me. But then again I really don't think some conservatives like the idea of peace, love and understanding. How dare we subscribe to any of that hippy-type stuff.

Simply put I could care less who you $%^ in the privacy of your own home. Your a man who loves another man? Good! Your a woman who loves another woman? Nice! Are you contributing to the fabric and culture of American society in a beneficial way? Yes? Then carry on!

People really need to stop worrying about other peoples lives and worry about their own.
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:48 pm

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 9):
According to some lovely people this is the gay agenda:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosex...genda

Wow, I'm speechless! I cannot believe that we are such a threat that folks would spend all this time and energy trying to maintain status quo. My favorite quote is that we apparently "Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible." I must be a very, very bad gay man because I spend 90% of my time talking about planes, cars, and Formula 1...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
7:45 AM: Breakfast, comment on latest airliners news

It's cool that the two of you share the same passion...my hubby usually avoids talking about planes, but then he works for an airline! (although he has had to admit getting excited when his station started A380 ops or when a B77W subs the regular B77E)
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:00 pm

Quoting charles79 (Reply 16):
although he has had to admit getting excited when his station started A380 ops or when a B77W subs the regular B77E

Well there you have it, he's a closet-aviation-nut! He still has to come out!  
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:27 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
9:10 AM: First patient roomed

And that's a euphemism for...?  
Quoting charles79 (Reply 16):
It's cool that the two of you share the same passion...

Definitely. Lucky guys.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:49 pm

I wish I had the attention span to adhere to an agenda. I do whatever my assistant and or phone tells me to do. Its actually an easily exploitable weakness of mine, so please don't exploit me.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:13 pm

Quoting jessbp (Reply 13):
...but just because I'm a lesbian doesn't mean I have to get a check shirt out.

Okay, but you haven't addressed the most important lesbian stereotype of all: do you drive a Subaru?

 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:13 pm

I'd also like to award DeltaMD90 some kind of gay gold star for his chart.

Oh and....

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):
The pussification of America.

You've obviously never met me, or a lot of gays I know.   Its the straight boys that are always the whiny bitches!

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 21):
Its the straight boys that are always the whiny bitches!

Like Boehner. Now, there's a freudian slip of a name if I ever heard one...

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):

OMG...I was thinking when you said you were going to open your own thread about the "gay agenda", it was tongue-in-cheek, joking. I never thought you would actually do it!!! ROFLMFAO!!!! Awesome   

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:26 pm

Lol but you're thinking about it wrong, Mats. Its actually pronounced like the Germans would.

I call him Boner all the time, however.  

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:52 pm

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 20):
Okay, but you haven't addressed the most important lesbian stereotype of all: do you drive a Subaru?

Really!!! Hell no. I drive an old Saab 900! They use to do planes to you know!!!  

Subaru's over here are the preserve of baseball capped 20 year olds.
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:05 pm

You know, reading through that article, you could almost nearly replace every single instance of "Gay" or "Homosexual" with "Black" or "African American," and it would pretty much read the same way if this were the 60's.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting jessbp (Reply 13):
Please tell me this site is set up as an ironic joke. Scary, scary stuff. Some of the rhetoric is stomach churning.
Quoting charles79 (Reply 16):
Wow, I'm speechless! I cannot believe that we are such a threat that folks would spend all this time and energy trying to maintain status quo.

Unfortunately the website is not set up as a joke, these people are quite serious and its been online for quite a while. I first came across it looking up information for a paper I was writing. Here is a quote from there about section:

"Conservapedia is a clean and concise resource for those seeking the truth. We do not allow liberal bias to deceive and distort here. Founded initially in November 2006 as a way to educate advanced, college-bound homeschoolers, this resource has grown into a marvelous source of information for students, adults and teachers alike. Our courses are ongoing and open to all here: Conservapedia:Index. We have received over 200 million page views!"
Link: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:About


As for the gay agenda I of course don't think there really is one other than we want to be treated just like everyone else and have the same rights as I mentioned before in the other forum where this topic stemmed from. Personally in the city where I live just this Monday there was a violent attack during which a well known local drag performer was attacked by two men in her home, during the attack a gun went off and she was shoot in the arm, and had to undergo surgery. It is events like this that really make me think about not only how far we have come in our struggle for equality but how some people still just can't stand the thought of us even living. Quite sad.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
Its actually an easily exploitable weakness of mine, so please don't exploit me.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:07 pm

It is, clearly, nuclear war.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:51 pm

I'll bite for serious:

I would like to see a country, and ultimately a world, in which people who preach bigotry and prejudice against another group of people merely for existing are ostracized and isolated from society. I would like to see the day in which homophobes find themselves in the same company as the Neo-Nazis and other such hate groups. I would like to see the day in which the basic dignity of human beings is respected by society in general and by our government.

I would like to see an end to religion being used as a justification for that which is otherwise unjustifiable. I would like to see a day when institutions of religions preach more about what people should do to help others, rather than what people shouldn't be doing.

It isn't just about gay marriage. It's about the right of the people to be secure in their homes, their property, and their persons without government intrusions into their lives. It's about the fact that my being gay or married to another man in no way affects the straight couple next door, or in another state.

There is a choice to engage in various behaviors. Homophobes argue that even if homosexuality is not a choice, homosexual activity is. But whether it is a choice is not the issue. The issue is whether that behavior directly affects uninvolved bystanders and it is quite clear that it does not. On the other hand, the preaching of bigotry of any form, including homophobia, clearly does affect uninvolved bystanders (namely, the targets of the bigotry) and that behavior is most certainly a choice.

Although the right to engage in such speech is a protected right, government should not take action based on that speech. Yet with Prop 8 and other such ballot measures, that is exactly what has happened. Religion has been used as a weapon against us.

If the "Gay Agenda" is to fight back, then you're damned tooting there's a "Gay Agenda."
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:56 pm

Quote:

Unfortunately the website is not set up as a joke, these people are quite serious and its been online for quite a while


In fact, I have seen somebody in this very forum within the last three weeks site Conservapedia as a "reliable source."
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 35):
Although the right to engage in such speech is a protected right, government should not take action based on that speech. Yet with Prop 8 and other such ballot measures, that is exactly what has happened. Religion has been used as a weapon against us



Doc most of your words were spot on and well written but to constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate. As is to accuse half the population of CA of caving into something sinister as a way to disqualify their view or opinion.

You are right Government should not take action on hate speech but they should listen to all the people that have voted them into office which they have done.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):
constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate.

But it is. Unless you are a bigot, a homophobe, or just a very bad person then you would be pro gay marriage.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 38):
Unless you are a bigot, a homophobe, or just a very bad person then you would be pro gay marriage.

Like I said be the first to call Obama a bigot then. This statement in itself makes little if any sense.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:34 pm

Quote:
constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate.

Sure it is.

It is no longer socially acceptable to want to beat up gay people or murder them in deserted fields, although some Republicans would tell you that Matthew Shepard was not, in fact, murdered but was just "robbed" and that all of the evidence to the contrary, including two people in jail for life and one dead kid, is just a "hoax" perpetrated by the "liberal media" and their "gay agenda." You can't say the kinds of things that Jesse Helms and Gary Bauer used to say. Back then, it was obvious that all Republicans would just as soon as see Gay people dead. After all, it was Helms who called AIDS "God's punishment for homosexuality." Helms even went so far as to attempt to kill the Ryan White Care Act and was directly rude to White's mother, despite the fact that Ryan White was not gay.

You can't do that anymore. Because it's obvious to the vast majority of Americans that it's straight up bigotry of the "no blacks here" variety.

So instead of saying that you hate gays, you now say "I don't think gays should get married because it sullies the institution of marriage." As if a divorce rate of 50%+ didn't do that already?

After thirty plus years of listening to people like Jesse Helms and Michelle Bachmann, there is absolutely no question in my mind that conservatives do not want Gay people to have civil rights, and they'd be much happier if Gay people just went away altogether.

It was you who linked to Conservapedia as a "reliable source" as I recall. Would you care to hear (again) what that says about Gay Marriage?
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:40 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 40):
It is no longer socially acceptable to want to beat up gay people or murder them in deserted fields, although some Republicans would tell you that Matthew Shepard was not, in fact, murdered but was just "robbed" and that all of the evidence to the contrary,

Care to show which with sources? I mean this is a bit of a stretch.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 40):
You can't say the kinds of things that Jesse Helms and Gary Bauer used to say. Back then, it was obvious that all Republicans would just as soon as see Gay people dead

Como what? No, a few homophobes doesn't render their whole party the same. Remember how you could sit in Rev Wrights church and not support all the things he said?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 40):
After thirty plus years of listening to people like Jesse Helms and Michelle Bachmann, there is absolutely no question in my mind that conservatives do not want Gay people to have civil rights, and they'd be much happier if Gay people just went away altogether.

Obama shares the same stance on gay marriage as Bachmann. Does he want you to go away?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 40):
It was you who linked to Conservapedia as a "reliable source" as I recall. Would you care to hear (again) what that says about Gay Marriage?

I also linked FOX, whats the point?
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 41):
Care to show which with sources? I mean this is a bit of a stretch.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Matthew_Shepard

"Matthew Shepard (1976-1998) was an American college student from Wyoming. On October 7th, 1998, he was savagely beaten and robbed by two men, and died on October 12th. The killers were heavily involved in drugs and had met Shepard in a bar, giving him a ride afterwards. "
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):

Doc most of your words were spot on and well written but to constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate.

Yes it is. In fact, it has been proven in a court of law that the only arguments against gay marriage are based on bigotry and homophobia.

Lawyers smarter than you or I were unable to come up with one good reason why gay marriage should be illegal.

So unless you know something that they don't (and if you did, I'd thought you'd have shared it by now), the only arguments against gay marriage are grounded in a belief that gay people are inherently inferior to straight people.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:50 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):
to constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate.

The problem is: Those who scream and shout the most about voting down Prop 8 and similar measures are grouping everyone together. People like Focus on the Family and Newt "Sanctity of marriage (but I've been married and divorced 3 times)" Gingrich.

Another problem is: Main stream media does not do the whole "gay agenda" angle anymore, save the loud-mouths against consenting adults entering into a contract (read: marriage).
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:59 pm

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Care to show which with sources? I mean this is a bit of a stretch.

Except of course, that it actually happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZckDoKz7Dk

After this came out, many bloggers at places like Free Republic came out and defended Foxx, and said that yes, indeed, Matthew Shepard was killed during a robbery, not because he was gay. Fortunately, unlike Paul Revere's ride, there are plenty of people alive today who remember what actually happened.

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Como what? No, a few homophobes doesn't render their whole party the same.

Yeah, actually it does.

Because Republicans vote in a block. Which is how you can stop all senate business for a year despite only having 40 seats.

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Remember how you could sit in Rev Wrights church and not support all the things he said?

Yes I do. But Reverend Wright is not an elected official. Michelle Bachmann is. And since we're on the subject of church....

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Lord God, we feel you here. And we invite you, Lord, to be here in our midst this afternoon at You Can Run But You Cannot Hide ... Lord, I thank you for what you have done with this ministry. I thank you for how you are going to expand this radio program, how you are going to expand their video program, their publications, how you are going to advance them from 260 schools a year, Lord, to 2,600 schools a year.

Lord, we ask by faith that you would expand this ministry beyond anything that the originators of this ministry could being to think or imagine ... Lord, the day is at hand. We are in the last days. ... The day is at hand Lord when your return will come neigh ... This ministry, You Can Run But You Cannot Hide, they are not sidetracked, they are on course, they're way on course because they get it that that's what this is all about, to reach out and bring your people, the people you love, in the kingdom.

So God I just ask that you would add your might hand of blessing now on every person in this room, Would you bless every person in this room and this ministry. Would you bless them in deed greatly. Would you put your hand on them. Would you expand their ministry and their boundaries.

This is Michelle Bachmann praying for this ministry:

http://youcanruninternational.com/

They believe that Gays can be changed, among other rather upsetting things.

Bachmann is now a Presidential Candidate, though she will not win the nomination. Of course, now that she's on that stage, every criticism of her will be viewed as "liberal propaganda" the same way it is of Sarah Palin.

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Obama shares the same stance on gay marriage as Bachmann.

No he does not. Though I know what quote you will trot out next.

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I also linked FOX, whats the point?

If you are Jewish person and somebody comes up to you and says "How about those awesome nazis, huh? Weren't they great?" do you think you will respect that person or view them with suspicion? Do you want to go down the rabbit hole of homophobic rants on conservapedia and Fox news? Because we could. When you cite these places as sources for your beliefs, it means you believe the things they say.
 
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 37):
Doc most of your words were spot on and well written but to constantly group the people who don't share your views on gay marriage as bigots and homophobes is just not accurate.

Listen, I know this is hard for you. Everything you've ever felt about gay marriage is now revealed to be based in bigotry and homophobia, even if you never consciously hated a gay person.

But now that the cat is out of the bag, with what we know today, to continue to support measures like Prop 8 is either bigotry or just plain sticking your head in the sand.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 42):
"Matthew Shepard (1976-1998) was an American college student from Wyoming. On October 7th, 1998, he was savagely beaten and robbed by two men, and died on October 12th. The killers were heavily involved in drugs and had met Shepard in a bar, giving him a ride afterwards. "

Oh so now they speak for all Republicans, thanks for clarifying.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 43):
Yes it is. In fact, it has been proven in a court of law that the only arguments against gay marriage are based on bigotry and homophobia

A court of law said OJ didn't kill his wife. Yea good point.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
Yeah, actually it does.

Because Republicans vote in a block. Which is how you can stop all senate business for a year despite only having 40 seats.

Yep I know Dems have never voted along party lines.   

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 45):
Michelle Bachmann

I also asked about Obama opposing gay marriage why is this being ignored? Why isn't he a bigot?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 46):
Listen, I know this is hard for you. Everything you've ever felt about gay marriage is now revealed to be based in bigotry and homophobia, even if you never consciously hated a gay person.

Yawn, I didn't support Prop 8 and I don't oppose gay marriage. I just would like it to be legalized the way all laws are and not demagoguging and hurling insults with no basis in reality. I don't pretend that marriage is a right that can be demanded because quite simply it isn't but I will keep wearing the bigot hat with President Obama so you can feel good about it.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:52 pm

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Oh so now they speak for all Republicans, thanks for clarifying.

You said that it was a stretch that anybody had argued that the Matthew Shepard murder was a hoax. You were answered. You may not like that answer, but nobody said that the people who murdered Shepard represented all Republicans. They are, however, there to prove people wrong when they make up crazy stories about the incident.

To be clear, Virginia Foxx is now chair of the house education committee.

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A court of law said OJ didn't kill his wife.

Here you go, doing exactly what you just accused MT99 of doing.

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Yep I know Dems have never voted along party lines.

There's a reason why Democrats have a hard time with party unity. They exist in a world of nuanced points of view, and they want different things. All Republicans want is to make sure Democrats don't get to do anything.

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I also asked about Obama opposing gay marriage why is this being ignored?

You compared Obama's point of view to somebody elses and pretended they were equivalent, but they are not. Yes, President Obama is not in favor of Gay Marriage. But he is in favor of legal unions.

Obama is far from ideal from a Gay Rights point of view. I'll grant you that. However, if we had Michelle Bachmann, gay people might have to go to re-education camps, so it's not much of a choice for most Gay people as to whom they will support in that particular popularity contest.

After decades of Republicans picking on gays, it is without any sadness or regret that most Gay people can write off the Republican party forever and never ever vote for one of their candidates. They've proven beyond any doubt that they are the worse choice, indeed, no choice at all for Gay people.

You can rail against Obama's stance on this one issue, but he's helped Gay people on other issues, and isn't "praying for a cure" to gayness.

Gay poeple look at the Obama Vs. Anybody Republican question as a matter of a choice between eating very stale cake (Obama) and a big cup full of drano (any Republican who might become President.) Stale cake only looks good, it doesn't taste very good. But it won't kill you.

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Yawn, I didn't support Prop 8 and I don't oppose gay marriage.

You just support people and causes who do.

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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:06 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 48):
To be clear, Virginia Foxx is now chair of the house education committee.

The woman is evil, it's not much of an argument.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 48):
Here you go, doing exactly what you just accused MT99 of doing.

So court of laws are only right on certain occasions?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 48):
There's a reason why Democrats have a hard time with party unity. They exist in a world of nuanced points of view, and they want different things. All Republicans want is to make sure Democrats don't get to do anything.

One could say the reverse is true.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 48):
You compared Obama's point of view to somebody elses and pretended they were equivalent, but they are not. Yes, President Obama is not in favor of Gay Marriage. But he is in favor of legal unions

?? So let me get this straight. Obama doesn't want gays to marry but likes civil unions and he is a patriot. I like civil unions with all benefits of marriage but really don't care if the legislature in any state vote gay marriage legal and I am a bigot. You see how insane this is?

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 48):
You just support people and causes who do.

No just their right to have that opinion without being called a bigot. Huge difference.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:06 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):

A court of law said OJ didn't kill his wife.

        

Way to get it wrong, yet again.

A jury said that the State of California couldn't prove that OJ killed his wife. They screwed up that case so badly that not even you could convict him given how tainted the evidence was.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):

I also asked about Obama opposing gay marriage why is this being ignored? Why isn't he a bigot?

Because, for the millionth time, OBAMA DOESN'T OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):
I just would like it to be legalized the way all laws are and not demagoguging and hurling insults with no basis in reality.

Would you say the same thing about blacks getting equal rights in the 60s?

The only insult is that it's not legalized. Every single argument against gay marriage is an insult to the very institution of marriage.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):
I don't pretend that marriage is a right that can be demanded because quite simply it isn't

Quite simply it is. You should look up Loving v. Virginia
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:12 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):
A court of law said OJ didn't kill his wife. Yea good point.

No, a different court of law operating under rules of civil and not criminal law. So yeah, good point.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 50):
They screwed up that case so badly

  

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 50):
Because, for the millionth time, OBAMA DOESN'T OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06...f_new_york_legalizes_marriage.html

Yea Yea we know, he just says that.   
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 49):
No just their right to have that opinion without being called a bigot.

Except that it IS bigotry.

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A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot

(There's also a link there to a dictionary definition).

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 52):
Yea Yea we know, he just says that.

It boggles the mind that you can't get your head around that. Hell, normally you'd be the first person to call Obama out for lying for political points.
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RE: The Gay Agenda

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:29 pm

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The woman is evil, it's not much of an argument.

I think we can agree there. But how does somebody like that end up in a position of power? And why are there so many like her in the Republican caucus in the house? Louis Gohmert, Paul Broun, Alan West, Steve King...

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So court of laws are only right on certain occasions?

You accused MT99 of making a blanket statement that somehow Matthew Shepard's murderers spoke for all Republicans. Then you said that a court of law acquitted O.J. Simpson - which is a blanket statement meant to suggest that all, or many, court verdicts are invalid or worthless.

Courts are right on certain occasions, and wrong on others. There is no "always" in there. Which is why a blanket statement criticizing courts of law based on one verdict, in this case the O.J. Trial, is a bad argument.

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One could say the reverse is true.

What kinds of new things would the Republicans like to do that the Democrats stop them from doing? Further injecting Religion into matters of state? Forcing raped women to have the babies of their rapists? I thought Republicans wanted to chip away at government, not force it into people's bodies.

And given their track record of the last ten years, it might be better if the Democrats could stick together in uniform opposition to things like the Iraq war, Faith Based Initiatives, wasteful Tax cuts, or warrantless wiretaps.

Imagine the financial position we'd be in today if we hadn't gotten involved in Iraq? Too bad the Dems didn't uniformly oppose that the way the Republicans uniformly oppose unemployment benefits and medicare.

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You see how insane this is?

You know, it's your ballot. In New York, you voted for Andrew Cuomo, who's vehemently in favor of Gay marriage. Good for you. But all of your arguments and political choices other than that support a party that has worked tirelessly to keep gay people down since they discovered they could fire up their base by throwing the gays to the lions.

More fundamental than that, you don't view marriage as a civil right, even though it clearly is - not only constitutionally, but upheld by the supreme court as well in extremely contentious cases.

I don't want to think ill of you - I genuinely mean that - but it's hard to wrap my head around the idea that you'd believe anything in a place like Conservapedia while simultaneously saying you're in favor of something they clearly label to be as dangerous and bad as a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. Of course you don't subscribe to their entire ideology, but it's odd that their very extreme stance on some things doesn't make you question their stance on others. Or maybe it does and I'm just missing it. I'm open to being wrong.

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No just their right to have that opinion without being called a bigot.

You know, if you're sitting at home with your partner watching the news and a politician like Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney comes on and says that gay marriage will degrade the sanctity of marriage and our societal values, it's hard not to look at that as an insult. You can dismiss it, because it may not actually matter to you what they think personally - but they've said something, made a judgement, about you and how you live. A judgement that, if they were elected, they might actually be able to do something about and directly influence your life.

And you could be a good person who abides by the law and serves your community, and you've just been told you're not as good simply because you are who you are. And as you watch your relatives and friends get married, you wonder, why won't these people leave us alone and just let us be like everybody else? And a few months later another election cycle starts, and you hear the same things, always from the same party and the same people. And because of this, you sit and realize that for you, you essentially live in a one party system, because one party is neutral to you while the other routinely abuses you.

That's the real insult.

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