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F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:05 am

With the European Grand Prix free practice sessions already started at this hour, I am opening a new thread for this new race of the 2011 season.

European Grand Prix June 24-26 Valencia Spain

June 24: Free practice 1
On going

June 24: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT

June 25: Free practice 3
11:00 local | 09:00 GMT

June 25: Qualifying
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT

June 26: Race
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT

The European Grand Prix has been staged at five different circuits - Nurburgring, Brands Hatch, Jerez, Donington and Valencia

The average speed is the highest of any street circuit on the calendar at over 200km/h
The track has more corners than any other on the calendar with 25 in total, 14 right-handers and 11 left-handers
The official lap record is 1:38.683 set by Timo Glock in a Toyota in 2009
The cars are at full throttle for 69% of the lap

Circuit
On paper the Valencia street circuit looks like a cracker. It has long, wide straights punctuated by heavy braking zones and a flowing, high-speed final sector between concrete walls. But in reality, the straights aren't long enough, the braking zones aren't heavy enough and the final sector only serves to spread the field apart. If overtaking does occur, it's likely to be thanks to the DRS and it will take place into the chicane at turn 12 or the hairpin at turn 17.

Sebastian Vettel is given as top favourite for winning this European Grand Prix.

Let the F1 fun begin!


                 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:40 am

P1 results

Mark Webber tops the charts in his Red Bull with a 1:40.403

Free practice 1

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Webber AUS Red Bull 22 in pits
2 Petrov RUS Renault 20 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 22 in pits
4 Hamilton GBR McLaren 23 in pits
5 Heidfeld GER Renault 24 in pits
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 23 in pits
7 Button GBR McLaren 14 in pits
8 Sutil GER Force India 20 in pits
9 Rosberg GER Mercedes-Benz 22 in pits
10 Alguersuari ESP Toro Rosso 29 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes-Benz 26 in pits
12 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 27 in pits
13 Barrichello BRA Williams 23 in pits
14 Perez MEX Sauber 20 in pits
15 Maldonado VEN Williams 28 in pits
16 Vettel GER Red Bull 21 in pits
17 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 18 in pits
18 Hülkenberg GER Force India 7 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Lotus 17 in pits
20 d'Ambrosio BEL Virgin 17 in pits
21 Glock GER Virgin 19 in pits
22 Liuzzi ITA HRT 24 in pits
23 Karthikeyan IND HRT 27 in pits
24 Chandhok IND Lotus 2 in pits
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:20 pm

And what about FIA's new rule to block engine mapping to give the other teams a chance to catch RBR!!?? Is there any limit to the madness at all? Ah well, I should be used to it by now.

Looking at how the weather has been lately it can turn out to be an interesting Saturday and Sunday.
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:21 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 2):
Ah well, I should be used to it by now.

You should be! Christian Horner doesn't seem to like the changes, but since the rules state the car that finishes qualifying must start the race the same way, then he should just shut up and get on with it.
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:17 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 2):
And what about FIA's new rule to block engine mapping to give the other teams a chance to catch RBR!!?? Is there any limit to the madness at all?

Not sure I see it that way, there is a clear list of the things you CAN do in Parc ferme and as far as I can see re mapping the engine management system is not one of them.
Like the ban on open throttle difusser blowing this is just clarifying to the teams which rules they were breaking!
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:24 pm

Qualifying

Q1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Massa BRA Ferrari 8 in pits
2 Vettel GER Red Bull 7 in pits
3 Schumacher GER Mercedes-Benz 9 in pits
4 Hamilton GBR McLaren 5 in pits
5 Rosberg GER Mercedes-Benz 9 in pits
6 Sutil GER Force India 8 in pits
7 Button GBR McLaren 5 in pits
8 Perez MEX Sauber 4 in pits
9 Barrichello BRA Williams 8 in pits
10 Buemi SUI Toro Rosso 5 in pits
11 Maldonado VEN Williams 5 in pits
12 Petrov RUS Renault 8 in pits
13 Alonso ESP Ferrari 8 in pits
14 di Resta GBR Force India 8 in pits
15 Heidfeld GER Renault 7 in pits
16 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
17 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 8 in pits

18 Alguersuari ESP Toro Rosso 3 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
20 Trulli ITA Lotus 6 in pits
21 Glock GER Virgin 6 in pits
22 Liuzzi ITA HRT 6 in pits
23 d'Ambrosio BEL Virgin 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 6 in pits

  

Q2

Position Country Driver Team
1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
3 Great Britain J Button McLaren
4 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
5 Australia M Webber Red Bull
6 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
7 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
8 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
9 Germany N Heidfeld Renault
10 Germany A Sutil Force India

11 Russian Federation V Petrov Renault
12 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
13 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
14 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
15 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
16 Mexico S Perez Sauber
17 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
18 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
19 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
20 Italy J Trulli Lotus
21 Germany T Glock Virgin
22 Italy V Liuzzi Hispania
23 Belgium J d'Ambrosio Virgin
24 India N Karthikeyan Hispania

  


The Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Vettel GER Red Bull 15 in pits
2 Webber AUS Red Bull 19 in pits
3 Hamilton GBR McLaren 13 in pits
4 Alonso ESP Ferrari 20 in pits
5 Massa BRA Ferrari 20 in pits
6 Button GBR McLaren 14 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes-Benz 15 in pits
8 Schumacher GER Mercedes-Benz 18 in pits
9 Heidfeld GER Renault 17 in pits
10 Sutil GER Force India 14 in pits
11 Petrov RUS Renault 14 in pits
12 di Resta GBR Force India 16 in pits
13 Barrichello BRA Williams 19 in pits
14 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 17 in pits
15 Maldonado VEN Williams 10 in pits
16 Perez MEX Sauber 13 in pits
17 Buemi SUI Toro Rosso 8 in pits
18 Alguersuari ESP Toro Rosso 5 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Lotus 10 in pits
20 Trulli ITA Lotus 9 in pits
21 Glock GER Virgin 9 in pits
22 Liuzzi ITA HRT 10 in pits
23 d'Ambrosio BEL Virgin 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 9 in pits

[Edited 2011-06-25 06:08:10]
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:42 pm

Good to see Vettel on pole for ones.   

Joke aside, he's a talent that is able to master all sort of tracks you throw at him.
Looking at how Alonso has been managing his starts lately he can be in for a good run as Ferrari is looking pretty strong.
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 6):
Good to see Vettel on pole for ones.

Joke aside, he's a talent that is able to master all sort of tracks you throw at him.

He still has a lot to prove. Especially when the track ahead of him is not clear.

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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:55 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 7):
He still has a lot to prove. Especially when the track ahead of him is not clear.

He does. He's mighty good on those one lap flyers, but he's yet to prove he can win from further back having never won a race from any further back than third. He also claims he didn't crack under pressure in Canada, but just made a mistake. Well, you have to ask what caused him to make a mistake. A damp track, a Jenson Button who was substantially quicker. Sounds like pressure to me.
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:08 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 8):
but he's yet to prove he can win from further back having never won a race from any further back than third.

Agree on that, but on the other hand he never has to cause he quali ahead of the rest.
But yes, would be fun to see him do a Webber, Button, Raikkonen having to work his way through the pack to reach podium. Still think he would do pretty ok.
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:54 pm

Another Vettel win with Alonso second and Webber behind him.
Hammy does 4th something about the tyres?

Alguersuari did a great job on his Toro Rosso.
Schumi and Kamui far behind... Not a good day for them.

Congrats to Perez for a good come back after his Monaco accident.
All started the race, all finished. Rather unusual fact in F1.

Sebastian Vettel is a happy boy again finishing in First place!!
He looks really thrilled to have won this race.
i would be really interested to meet Sebastian Vettel's coach.

He will be 24 this week. Happy birthday Sebastian Vettel.

                                                                       

Race results

After 57 of 57 laps

Position Country Driver Team
1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
3 Australia M Webber Red Bull
4 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
5 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
6 Great Britain J Button McLaren
7 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
8 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
9 Germany A Sutil Force India
10 Germany N Heidfeld Renault
11 Mexico S Perez Sauber
12 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
13 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
14 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
15 Russian Federation V Petrov Renault
16 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
17 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
18 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
19 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
20 Italy J Trulli Lotus
21 Germany T Glock Virgin
22 Belgium J d'Ambrosio Virgin
23 Italy V Liuzzi Hispania
24 India N Karthikeyan Hispania

        
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:08 pm

Oh my god... Lewis Hamilton completed 57 laps without hitting anyone!  Wow!      
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:20 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 11):
Oh my god... Lewis Hamilton completed 57 laps without hitting anyone!

  
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:49 pm

Well done Fernando and Jaime. Schumi bad luck again. Apart from that boring boring and boring GP.

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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting codeshare (Reply 13):
Apart from that boring boring and boring GP.

I second that!!

Can´t believe I made it on time, this early morning with the hangover I had…………what a relief to go back to bed after Vettel gave Webber another driving lesson!


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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:09 am

The good:
1. Alonso beats at least one Red Bull on the track
2. Ferrari´s continously increasing form raises hope for a more interesting 2nd half of the season
3. Hamilton didnt play foul this time
4. the weather

The bad:
1. boring race
2. boring race
3. boring race
4. also boring: Vettel wins again (not that he didnt deserve it!)
5. Schumi´s bad luck
6. Mercedes´ car still a dog
7. cars are becoming too reliable, further minimising the chances of the backrow teams
8. the weather
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:11 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 13):
Schumi bad luck again
Quoting na (Reply 15):
5. Schumi´s bad luck

Where does luck come into it?

At best a rookie mistake and of all the things one might call Schumi, rookie is not one.

By some accounts he crossed the pit exit blend line and I recall hearing that was being investigated, if so that was a/ another rookie mistake or b/ a deliberate breach of the rules.
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:46 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 11):
Oh my god... Lewis Hamilton completed 57 laps without hitting anyone!

Must have been the cause of this Australian tribute to Ferrari
http://www.smh.com.au/executive-styl...errari-torched-20110627-1gnlu.html
The burnt-out wreckage of Nathan Tinkler's $500,000 car has been found about 25 kilometres from his Newcastle home.

Maybe that is as far a you can drive a Ferrari, other than the Alonso special?   

The pic suggests they burn well except for the wheels - not enough Mg??
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:32 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):

That certainly does give a different meaning to burning rubber.
 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:13 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 18):
That certainly does give a different meaning to burning rubber.

It's just a Ferrari California. The man must have a good insurance policy no doubt. I am sure he has already placed an order for another one, or maybe a better one even!


 
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RE: F1 2011: European Grand Prix

Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:33 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Quoting bill142 (Reply 18):
That certainly does give a different meaning to burning rubber.

It's just a Ferrari California. The man must have a good insurance policy no doubt. I am sure he has already placed an order for another one, or maybe a better one even!

Within a day a similar robbery had a new Bentley stolen, but this was not burned. Makes one ask do Bentleys attract a better class of robbers. Cannot help but mention one of my lecturers owned one of the pre-war Le Mans winning Bentleys and in the 50s used it for personal transport - “The fastest lorry in the world".

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