|Quoting Revelation (Reply 54):|
Here's some data:
According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles. Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.
Just looking at this data, and comparing it to my own experience, I'd guess that it's just about right; but then, it's pretty obvious that riding a MC is going to have much more "potential" for getting one killed or injured than riding in a nice big closed in automobile is going to have; anyone with common sense would realize this; but you just keep on repeating the obvious..........we're not arguing here what's "dangerous" and what isn't; we're arguing that it really isn't necessary to have a law that forces ADULTS to do things that "enhance" their relative safety; there's a BIG difference !
And then, below......................
[quote=Revelation,reply=54]Quoting dxing (Reply 51):
We insist on child safety seats yet guess what leads toddler deaths even though their use is mandatory? Drowning is right behind it at number 2. So again, should we outlaw pools or baths for children? If child seats have done such a wonderful job of lowering the death rate think of what outlawing baths and pools would do.
Here we finally have a law requiring something that make sense ! mainly because little children are too young to realize the potential risks involved in riding in cars, so as adults, we make a sensible law that has obviously saved a lot of children's lives; I'm all for car seats, ( even though all my grandchildren are now almost adults. )
I hadn't thought about drowning yet; thank you for reminding me of that "hazard" ! I can think of nothing that claims the lives of more children, needlessly, than drownings. Fortunately for me, I learned to swim when I was about 2 yrs old. I spent much of my early childhood playing in the Great Miami River and swimming at Germantown Dam in Preble County, Ohio. I can't count the number of people who became drowning victims at both places. Had I not been a very strong swimmer from my earliest years, I would surely have never lived long enough to enlist in the Navy, and at one point, become a life guard at Rock Lake on the U.S. Naval Sub Base in New London, Ct. Being a good swimmer has saved my life more times than I can count.
Now...........having said that, and recognizing that drowning does in fact claim many lives, how about we all ( republicans and democrats, liberals and conservatives alike ) put our differences aside for just a short time, and all work together ( for a change ) to get a law passed to require ALL
children to learn to swim when they are still quite young, say 5 or 6 yrs old ? If anyone ever succeeds in accomplishing this, I can guarantee you a great many children will live to become adults, instead of drowning as children. Swimming is as easy and as "natural" as learning to ride a tricycle, yet many, many children never seem to learn. I'm fully aware that some people have a bit more problem learning to swim than others have, but any good swimming course teaches a lot more about water safety than just how to swim.
When I was a life guard, we taught a course to "dependents" about water safety, that incorporated some of the things the Navy teaches recruits in boot camp, ( many of whom have no idea of how to swim )
Just one example is..........if you find yourself in water unexpectedly, and even if you can't swim, there is a lot you can do to avoid drowning; the very first, is to REMAIN CALM; don't "thrash about", using up all your energy, because it can and will save your life, IF
, and only IF
you do the right things. The very first of which is......stay afloat; don't try to keep your head a foot out of the water; you can't ! No one can; instead, you lean your head back slightly, move your legs back and forth in a "scissors" like motion, and gently "paddle" up and down with your hands; you are now "treading water"; I neglected to note, the very FIRST THING to do in the water is to get out of your shoes ! This is an absolute must ! I have personally seen dozens of people ( of all ages ), who couldn't swim an inch, discover that they can "tread water" for hours on end if necessary !
The thing that causes so many people to drown, oddly enough, is fear; if you can't swim, ( or you THINK you can't swim ), it's a normal psychological "thing" that causes you to do all of the wrong things, and to avoid doing the right things; ( try to remember all this next time you fall out of a boat in the ocean while not wearing a "life vest"; ( which is something else you DO
NOT EVER want to do ! ) Just remember...........if you panic, you die ! It's just that simple; panic, you die; stay calm, tread water, you'll live. Almost every time. Panic is merely the result of fear, ( which is the result result of thinking you can't swim, and so on. So the teaching of water safety begins way before you ever get wet !
In boot camp, I was amazed at how many big, strong, healthy looking guys thought they couldn't swim ! In just a few minutes, I saw big strong guys who never swam a lick in their life, learn what I'm talking about in less than 15 minutes.
When most "non-swimmers" hear about "swimming", they tend to think about watching the Olympics, and seeing Michael Phelps set another record; I'm not interested in setting records here; I'm only interested in teaching anyone who thinks they can't swim, how very easy it is to save yourself from drowning. Think about this................
When you place ANYTHING in the water, here's what you'll see; if it's lighter than water, it will float; if it's heavier than water, it will sink; how "high" something floats is a matter of something called "buoyancy"; an object's "buoyancy" is determined by it's "specific gravity", which is just a "ratio" between what the object weighs, as compared to an equal amount of water. people, (most of whom can be considered to be "human bodies" ) have a "specific gravity" of just slightly LESS than an equal amount of water; ( largely due to the fact that we ARE mostly water, plus a few more things )
Also, no two people have exactly the same S.G.; we all "vary" slightly; a few individuals are almost like "corks" ! For them, floating requires very little effort; these folks can float all day long, but other people must expend a bit of effort just to keep their nose out of the water far enough to breath. If you are the latter category, the trick is, don't try to "fight it"; just get some air, and tread water and you'll stay right at the surface; it's not even necessary to have your nose out all the time; what is necessary, is to conserve your energy, because if you have to wait long for help, your life will depend on how well you do it. Staying afloat requires a very minimum of energy if you stay calm and do it right. A lot of people swimming near the beach in salt water find themselves in trouble, and waste all their energy trying to swim back to shore; a lot of things are involved here, but in most cases, because of the tide, wave action, etc. you can't get back, so it's best to stay afloat and wait for someone to rescue you.
BTW...........................maybe we need a LAW
to prevent people from swimming in the ocean to begin with ?
Just one more thing, I should have mentioned earlier; if you happen to be fishing in, say, Lake Erie, and you fall out of the boat sans life vest, do this; ( this is taught to all Navy recruits in boot camp ) !. kick off your shoes 2. remove your pants / dungarees ( in the Navy, all sailors wear dungarees ) 3. tie a simple "overhand" knot at the very end of each pants leg; 4. holding the pants by the waist band on both sides, behind your head, pull them "quickly up and over your head and back into the water, and you will have trapped a considerable amount of air in both legs; 5. holding the waist band together, get the pants with the air in them under your chest / stomach, and you will have enough "buoyancy" to float for a considerable length of time; ( having a life vest on BEFORE you fall overboard is even better! Try to remember all of this; it could save your life some day.
Stay safe and try not to drown !
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein