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Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:19 pm

Last week (6/26-7/3) I was on a cruise in Alaska's Inside Passage with my family (we took the NCL Pearl), and I was honestly surprised how many buses there were considering how small many of the towns were. We went to Juneau, Skagway, Ketchikan, Victoria (BC) and departed and arrived in Seattle. I took a lot of photos on the trip; this is only a small portion   

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Just off the gangway in Juneau. These buses are for shore excursions. Lots of MC-9s, 102s, and even a D4500.

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These buses do shuttle service into downtown Juneau. We took a D4500 into town and a 102...something back. How do you tell the difference between the A B and C?

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Cloud bus driving by city hall (yep, that's city hall on the right with the painted wall).

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MC-9 and 102D3 in Skagway.

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I think this one is Gray Line.

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Check out that bi-fold door.

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MCI crossing the tracks. Our scenic railway train was so long that when boarding they left gaps between cars for the road, and we had to back up and attach before heading out.

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I think a 102C3 (or an A or a B I guess...) on the Klondike Highway. This is in the Yukon Territory. At the end of the train we saw the usuals plus a J4500 and an H3-45!

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Our 1981 MC-9 pulling out after dropping us off at Jewell Gardens in Skagway. Had a real nice conversation with the driver; he really loves these buses.

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Lots of buses have these new LED fixtures on the back now.

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MC-9 crossing a bridge in Ketchikan. They also have a public bus system which uses Gilligs.

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A line of MC-9s and an H3-45 in Victoria, BC.

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Look at all the variety!

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I see an MC-9, an Alexander Dennis, a New Flyer (I think...), and a D4505.

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Old and new: MC-9, H3-45, MC-9.

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I was trying to take a photo of the hotel when this MC-9 got in the way   

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I wonder if this is older than their MC-9s...

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MCI D4505. I don't really like how they look in the back so much.

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This is one bus I wouldn't really want to be on.

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MC-9 presumably heading back to the pier.

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H3-45 and a 102A/B/C3 (one day I'll learn). Check out that pickup!

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At the Westlake Station in Seattle.

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This is also the station for the Link light rail to SeaTac. They share the same roadway and the tracks are embedded into the street.

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The buses just drive right over the tracks.

And saving the best for last: I didn't think these things actually existed. They look like they're from another planet. But I guess they do exist...

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The Prevost H5-60!

In Juneau and Skagway, buses were sold from Juneau and ferried up to Skagway by ship. However, Juneau isn't accessible by road, so they were ferried there from wherever the factory was.

Also, they must keep the buses very well-maintained, as some of them are over 30 years old! It must be expensive to ship new buses to some of these cities, so it's cheaper to run the old ones, sort of like Delta and the DC-9 for a while. Speaking of 9s, I think another reason they held onto MC-9s is that they're smaller than newer models and can therefore more easily navigate smaller roads. Also, I remember when I was in Toronto my Greyhound driver was telling me how the MC-9 is a tank and is the bus you want in snowy conditions.

In other news, I found this awesome spec sheet for the MC-9. Check it out!
http://www.bustropolis.com/files/download/MC-9%20Specs.pdf

-J.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:27 pm

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
The Prevost H5-60!

I've seen a couple of H5-60s in my life. There's one that you'll see rolling around Chicago on occasion. I had a chance to look inside when it was parked (unfortunately, couldn't take it for a ride).

Nice photos. I haven't been to Victoria in several years. Never been to Alaska.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:21 pm

Humm.... I've taken many, many pictures of transportation here in Madrid. Here, on a Madrid Metro/Bus fan forum, I've uploaded the better ones: '

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:33 pm

Braniff; no pics just an error message  
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Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:08 am

Quoting oldman55 (Reply 3):

Braniff; no pics just an error message

Damn.


Ok, here are the "last uploads". For now, all are mine, up to the last row on the fourth page.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:00 pm

Its not exactly bus photo(s) ... but here's a video I did last night of me driving.

The bus is an ex Utah Transit Authority Gillig Phantom 40102TBM11. Its packed with a Cummins M11-280 engine with an Allison B400R5 transmission

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:22 pm

Normally, my job as a retired teacher is driving school buses. However, this summer I drove youth groups from my church back and forth from Dallas to Lubbock. The bus is a former Greyhound, a 1994 MCI model of some kind. Can you tell me more about it? I got to know it really well since I put 1200+ miles on it this summer.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:18 pm

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 6):
Normally, my job as a retired teacher is driving school buses. However, this summer I drove youth groups from my church back and forth from Dallas to Lubbock. The bus is a former Greyhound, a 1994 MCI model of some kind. Can you tell me more about it? I got to know it really well since I put 1200+ miles on it this summer.

Judging from the picture, I'd guess it's an MC-9.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:11 am

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 6):
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 7):
I'd guess it's an MC-9.

You're close. It's a MC-12. You can tell because the headlights are square, not rounded. Also, I believe Greyhound was the sole operator of MC-12s. Other than the headlights, it's pretty close to a MC-9. According to Wikipedia, production of the MC-9 stopped in 1990 and the MC-12 started in 1991.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:33 am

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 6):
The bus is a former Greyhound, a 1994 MCI model of some kind. Can you tell me more about it?

The one and only MC12   . It stands 11ft tall, weights about 40,000lbs empty. Powertrain consists of a Detroit Diesel 6V92TA engine and a Allison HT740 transmission

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 8):
Also, I believe Greyhound was the sole operator of MC-12s.

The INS and the Orange County Sherrif Department purchased some 1997/1998 MC-12s. These have DD Series 50 engines with Allison trannies and Jake Brake. They sound so awesome.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:04 am

Ah, the H5-60....

I drove those a time or two. Horrendously underpowered. 8v92 with old-style mechanical tranny. The engine is located amdi-ships just forward of the articulation. Awful place to service an engine.

I only drove them on short spurts.

Gray Line of Victoria had a few and they were moved over to Gray Line of Vancouver. As a driving instructor, I had to learn them in the event I had to teach ops how to drive them. Luckily- and I mean that- I started to do the Rockies tours and the 5-60s were left to others.

They were notoriously unreliable.

Very cool to be in... to walk the length of them while barrelling down the road but they were not a good bus to send on the ferry to Victoria.

One example: the tide was low, the ramp onto the ferry was steep and as the bus climbed up onto the ramp the articulation came to its designed limit and detonated the parking brake.

The ferry was stuck there for a couple of hours until the mechanics arrived and wound off the brakes.

Other times, they'd break down on the way back into Vancouver from the ferry. It took two buses to come out to rescue the passengers- and they had to have those buses on standby just in case- and in most cases they did have to send them out on a rescue mission.

They were used for a couple of months and then abandoned- returned to Victoria... or else... sent up to Alaska! (They'd have been best burned to the ground though)

I think they were originally designed to run the intercity route for Voyageur between Montreal and Quebec City.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:14 am

there are at least 2 of them in the LA area. I know one person who owns one as a party bus here in L.A.
The second one i saw is owned by El Paso-Los Angeles Limousine, which is a discounted carrier between L.A. and El Paso TX
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:15 pm

glid4500 - Can you tell me why the wheels on the back axle are offset from the axle immediately in front of it on that MC - 12?
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:42 am

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 12):
Can you tell me why the wheels on the back axle are offset from the axle immediately in front of it on that MC - 12?

I'm not glid4500 but I think it's because there's only one tire on each side on that axle, and the wheels on that axle rotate so the bus can make a tighter turn. On VanHools and Prevosts you flip a switch and the back wheels actually lift up off the ground (much more noticeably on Prevost Cars than on VanHools) so the distance between the front wheels and the wheels upon which the bus rotates decreases.

Anyway, the wheels on the rearmost axle are inset a bit I guess to help with weight and balance; they're probably in line with the inner set of tires on the axle in front of it, or between the two.

Just my thoughts... I could be completely wrong! But I hope not  

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:28 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 10):
Ah, the H5-60....

I drove those a time or two. Horrendously underpowered. 8v92 with old-style mechanical tranny. The engine is located amdi-ships just forward of the articulation. Awful place to service an engine.

I only drove them on short spurts.

Gray Line of Victoria had a few and they were moved over to Gray Line of Vancouver. As a driving instructor, I had to learn them in the event I had to teach ops how to drive them. Luckily- and I mean that- I started to do the Rockies tours and the 5-60s were left to others.

They were notoriously unreliable.

Very cool to be in... to walk the length of them while barrelling down the road but they were not a good bus to send on the ferry to Victoria.

One example: the tide was low, the ramp onto the ferry was steep and as the bus climbed up onto the ramp the articulation came to its designed limit and detonated the parking brake.

The ferry was stuck there for a couple of hours until the mechanics arrived and wound off the brakes.

Other times, they'd break down on the way back into Vancouver from the ferry. It took two buses to come out to rescue the passengers- and they had to have those buses on standby just in case- and in most cases they did have to send them out on a rescue mission.

They were used for a couple of months and then abandoned- returned to Victoria... or else... sent up to Alaska! (They'd have been best burned to the ground though)

I think they were originally designed to run the intercity route for Voyageur between Montreal and Quebec City.

Hello

Do you know the GVW of a H 5-60? I think, it would be in the high 50Ks or low 60Ks lbs area.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
Also, they must keep the buses very well-maintained, as some of them are over 30 years old! It must be expensive to ship new buses to some of these cities, so it's cheaper to run the old ones, sort of like Delta and the DC-9 for a while. Speaking of 9s, I think another reason they held onto MC-9s is that they're smaller than newer models and can therefore more easily navigate smaller roads. Also, I remember when I was in Toronto my Greyhound driver was telling me how the MC-9 is a tank and is the bus you want in snowy conditions.

I read some where, that MC-9s are built almost as well as airplanes. My place of worship, still has an early 80's, MC-9 with and 8v71 or 8v92, and you look at the side of it, and you can see ton of rivets on the bus. One of the driver who happen buddy of mines, side that it is a well built bus. In 2005, when my old ship pulled into Seattle on her last underway, one of the buses the ship chartered for us, was a Gray Line MC-9 with what sounded like a 8V-92. This MC-9, actually had TVs and I think it had doors on it's over head rack, like on a newer bus.
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:47 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
One of the driver who happen buddy of mines, side that it is a well built bus.

I've been told by a Greyhound Canada driver that in really bad snow conditions, the MC-9 is the bus you want. He said (and I quote) "The MC-9 is like a tank!" (reminds me of what has been said about a similarly-designated aircraft  ).

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
This MC-9, actually had TVs and I think it had doors on it's over head rack, like on a newer bus.

That's pretty neat. The MC-9 I was on in Skagway didn't have overhead bin doors but I think it might have had TVs. When I was at summer camp in Pennsylvania way back when, we had two trips every summer to amusement parks. I think in 2003 I was on a MC-9 for one of the trips and that definitely had TVs (that was also the only bus I've ever been sick on). That one had a manual transmission too... in Alaska our bus was automatic.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:50 am

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 13):
I'm not glid4500 but I think it's because there's only one tire on each side on that axle, and the wheels on that axle rotate so the bus can make a tighter turn. On VanHools and Prevosts you flip a switch and the back wheels actually lift up off the ground (much more noticeably on Prevost Cars than on VanHools) so the distance between the front wheels and the wheels upon which the bus rotates decreases.

Neither am I but it has been a few days and Glid is probably off somewhere on some charter trip! lol... so the ol' transit driver can confirm that KingFriday is essentially right.

The drive axle has "duals" or two tires at each end of the axle, while the rear-most axle only has one tire on each end. The purpose of the second axle is to distribute the weight of the engine and transmission across two axles so the weight of the bus doesn't break any load restrictions on the roads. You can flip a switch on the MCIs to take the weight off the second axle but the tire doesn't lift off the ground like it does on the Prevosts. It helps with turning marginally but it doesn't help like it does with the Prevosts where the distance between the front axle and the pivot point at the rear of the bus is shortened by about 5 feet.

American Eagles also had a second axle with one tire at each end except their configuration had it ahead of the duals. This never made sense to me.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
Do you know the GVW of a H 5-60? I think, it would be in the high 50Ks or low 60Ks lbs area.

Way higher than that. An H-341 is in the 52K range.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
I read some where, that MC-9s are built almost as well as airplanes.

The construction techniques are different but I'd wager that MC-9s and DL-3s are tougher built than airplanes in that they are much more durable. They are not so well built as in everything perfectly aligned and matched- it is a rather hack job (I've been to the factory in Winnipeg)... more like framing a house than machining parts for a watch.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
This MC-9, actually had TVs and I think it had doors on it's over head rack, like on a newer bus.

Retro-fit kits are available for all that. Parcel racks are parcel racks. The door is an additional feature. We bought a used bus at Gray Line of Vancouver and retro-fitted parcel rack doors and TVs.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 15):
I've been told by a Greyhound Canada driver that in really bad snow conditions, the MC-9 is the bus you want. He said (and I quote) "The MC-9 is like a tank!"

The quote is definitely quotable. I'd go for a 102DL-3 as well. The construction is exactly the same only a little wider (102" as opposed to 96" wide and they come in 40' and 45' lengths.) And I'll take 'em with a manual transmission over an automatic in the snow.
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:57 am

Thanks for the info King Friday. On the subject of the MC-9, i remember being told by a Greyhound driver that an Eagle will kick an MC-9's ass on the flat, but going up hills the MC-9 wins by a mile. The driver went on to say the reason for the hill climbing problem is that Eagles are very tail heavy.
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Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:26 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 16):
The construction techniques are different but I'd wager that MC-9s and DL-3s are tougher built than airplanes in that they are much more durable. They are not so well built as in everything perfectly aligned and matched- it is a rather hack job (I've been to the factory in Winnipeg)... more like framing a house than machining parts for a watch.
Quoting czbbflier (Reply 16):
The quote is definitely quotable. I'd go for a 102DL-3 as well. The construction is exactly the same only a little wider (102" as opposed to 96" wide and they come in 40' and 45' lengths.) And I'll take 'em with a manual transmission over an automatic in the snow.

So you are telling me that DL-3s are just as storng as MC-9s? If so, that is good, because my place of worship also has a 1997 102 DL-3 SS and a 2006 D4505 in VA.
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 18):
So you are telling me that DL-3s are just as storng as MC-9s? If so, that is good, because my place of worship also has a 1997 102 DL-3 SS and a 2006 D4505 in VA.

The DL-3 was an enhanced modification of the MC-9. The construction techniques are the same. The framing is the same, the skin is either stainless steel or else sheet metal on both and they are built to LAST. They are heavy and simple machines. Nothing fancy- just a plain ol' durable B- U- S. (What does the "SS" stand for? Super Sport? Does it come with a rear spoiler? lol)

The D4505 is a different creature. While the under framing will probably be the same, I am not sure about the skin. Sadly, MCI had a few years of stewardship under DINA- a company in Mexico. It is not that DINA is a bad bus maker- it's just that their philosophy is different and traditional MCI construction methods and standards were undermined- and MCI still has still not yet recovered.

But I'd still count on the D4505 over some of the 'boutique' buses that are out there.

I am no fan of the MCI G-models, the Renaissances... except for the frame. The driver's seat literally sits on a battering ram to protect the driver in a head-on collision. The J-models are a little better- they don't have the fancy active rear steering but the one I drove still felt a little less tank-like than the 102s I drove for years.
 
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Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:19 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 19):
What does the "SS" stand for? Super Sport? Does it come with a rear spoiler? lol)



Stainless Steal, our 102 DL3s do not have the paint able sheet metal like or D4505s has.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:58 am

sorry folks for the long delay. Just been really busy, and also forgotten to renew my subscription. Ok Lets get down to BUSiness lol

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 12):
Can you tell me why the wheels on the back axle are offset from the axle immediately in front of it on that MC - 12?

They are actually insets...situated between the inner and outer duals for weight distribution. KingFriday and czbbflier provided great answers. I have nothing to dispute

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
read some where, that MC-9s are built almost as well as airplanes

I agree MC-8, 9s, 12s, and D series etc are solid built buses made for the highway and, in my opinion outlasts just about anything else. I love the VanHools and Prevosts for their turning radius.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:02 am

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 21):
I love the VanHools and Prevosts for their turning radius.

I was thinking of something today on my drive to ROC... I saw a few DINA and Marcopolo buses (really rare up here!) but have you ever driven any of those? I've always wondered what it's like to drive those. When I was in Costa Rica and Panama that's all they had for the most part (well those and minibuses -- the Toyota Coaster is very popular down there) and some of them were really interesting... I don't remember if I have any photos (Walgreens killed two of my three disposable cameras) but I'll take a look when I get home.

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:00 am

I have driven the DINA Marco Polos, branded as Viaggios. They are a real sports car of a bus- probably because of the engine configuration.

The DINAs I drove had the big displacement Detroit Series-60 diesels- along with the 'big' chip. That meant the engine had maximum horsepower and torque. Matched to the Alison World transmission and combined with the bus' low weight, they were like rockets and climbed any hill passing any other bus on the road as though the other bus was standing still.

These DINAs were leased to Gray Line of Vancouver and I did some in-city work with them but mostly out-of-town tours into the Rockies.

It's a few years back but here are a few observations:
They were not well appointed. They had a school bussy, transit bussy feel to the finish- hard plastics that were almost fibreglass.... really wide and rough rubber mouldings- no refinement. The passenger windows had a plastic film on them making it almost impossible to squeegee them clean. Turning radius was awful.

The drivers' compartment was sparse- designed to hold the gauges- that was about it.

But they were very unique for a number of reasons.

First, they had shocks and springs rather than air-bags for suspension. That made them ride really, really nicely. They rode more like a really big Lincoln Continental. I did like how they rode.

The steering was really light so there was no steering effort at all.

The secondary brake was an electric servo brake, rather than the more standard engine retarder (jake brake) or hydraulic transmission retarder.

Because they were so light and had so much power, they would have been disastrous in the snow. Luckily, we only had them over the summer as they were then used in Florida during the winter. We had them for two summer seasons, if I recall correctly.

There were base heaters for heat- no air circulation against the windows the way MCIs and Prevosts have air circulation arranged and the air conditioning unit was at the back of the bus... when it was turned on, it literally became a wind tunnel with frigid air blasting all the way to the front!

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One of the most fun drives in a bus I had was when I was deadheading from Prince George to Vancouver. When I got to Hat Creek (the very Northern end of Highway 99- the one that goes all the way to Tijuana, BTW), I decided on the spur of the moment to head through Lillooett and the Duffy Lake Road to Vancouver rather than the main highway. It is a narrow, twisty, sparsely populated route that takes you through some breathtaking scenery.

I drove that bus like it was a motorcycle. Hard on the throttle, hard on the wheel and hard on the brake. I didn't know I could blow a circuit with the servo brake however, and as the day progressed I noticed that my instrument lights were fading out. I pulled over and saw that my headlights were getting really dim. I killed the AC (it was really hot) and all other electrical accessories and babied it from Mount Currie to Squamish. I had to go to the bathroom and left it running on low idle (there was not enough juice to turn on hi-idle) so when I came back from the washroom, the low idle protector had cut in and killed the engine. There was no way to start it.

My trip was ended 45 miles earlier than I wanted, but it was memorable nonetheless.

It's not a passenger's bus by North American standards but it is fun to drive!

Here's a DINA Marco Polo Viaggio... very similar to the one I drove.
http://www.showbus.com/p2011/CoachUSA%20Dina%20Marcopolo%201837.JPG
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:28 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 23):

Thanks   I've always wondered about those.

I rarely see them here in NYC. When I was on the road upstate I saw a few of them; I'm surprised they're around here in the northeast.

-J.

EDIT: oops it's August...

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Will add later
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 22):
have you ever driven any of those?

Ive never driven a DINA MarcoPolo, although they are omnipresent netween LA and the Mexico border. After reading czbbflier's intresting feedback, now I kinda wanna drive one just for the heck of it.

oh btw, I notice 2 types of transit buses you will never find in Canada ... Gilligs and NABIs.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:34 am

Got Milk?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/kaigywer/IMG_1734.jpg

No idea what kind of bus it is...just took a picture because it ran over three trees and into a house  

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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:50 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 26):

That would be a Gillig...one of the newer low floors.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:01 pm

I've discontinued with Photography and have since moved to Videography, given that I much prefer to include the sound of an environment, rather than a static image.

I'm not particularly great at my videoing, though some days I have more luck than others.

I decided for something different, (given that today/now yesterday), for my Birthday, I might go out and take some video footage, considering that it was a glorious day, considering we're still in winter.

The one from August 03 is "Suburban Extravaganza"

I don't know how to embed on this site and there's no information about it in the help, so...

http://www.youtube.com/Brendan03
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:49 pm

I like the first video on yur youtube Brendan....and the swaying around 1:10

As time progresses, you will get better at it. Each capture and angle is unique
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:03 pm

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 29):
I like the first video on yur youtube Brendan....and the swaying around 1:10

Which one would that be? The first video I put on YouTube was me screwing around with FRAPS on my old PC with Flightsim/PMDG744.

All my train videos on there are done with a cheap, 15 year old hand-me-down Tripod, It's not very good but it does the job, sorta.

Any of my stuff before "Trains around Northcote" have been done by hand.
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:34 pm

Sorry for late posting. heres a group of photos taken within the course of the last few days

Panning shot wouldve came out great had I not inlude the brick wall lol
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00265.jpg


2010 NewFlyer C40LFR. This is by far the best paint scheme Ive seen on this bus type.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00281.jpg

heres an older 2003 NewFlyer C40LF repainted in the new Rapid scheme.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00285.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00286.jpg



Heres an older 1997 NewFlyer C40LF with a DD50G/Allison powertrain. The 1997 units will be replaced with -20 CNG Xcelsior models.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00278.jpg


This is a 2006 El Dorado XHF high floor...CNG of course. These El Dorados are truly the ultimate bouncers
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/bct109.jpg

Not sure on the year ... but this is a El Dorado Axcess low floor. Beach Cities Transit is the newest transit company in Southern California. This partiular route 109 travels from LAX Airport-City Bus Center to Redondo Bch Riviera Village. This route replaced a large portion of MTA Line 439, which once used to go from Downtown LA to Redondo Bch Riviera Village. The route has been cut back dramatially and only goes from Downtown LA to Culver City Transit Ctr


This would be a 2006 NewFlyer L40LF and runs on LNG Fuel...operated by Santa Monica Muniicpal Bus Lines ( aka Big Blue Bus )
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/samo4097.jpg


Heres is a 2002 NABI 40LFW which also runs on LNG Fuel. The 2 large fuel tanks are housed above the engine compartment ( hince the humpback ) and the HVAC mounted on roof

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/samo4028.jpg


Heres a Gillig ex FTS ( Fairfield-Suisun Transit ) # 645. Its run by a local shuttle/charter company
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00206.jpg

Last but not least ... some more Gilligs. The one on the left has a Detroit Diesel Series 50, and the one on the right has a Cummins M11
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/DSC00191.jpg
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:47 pm

Quoting brendan03 (Reply 30):
Which one would that be?

Newmarket to Asot Vale
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:25 pm

I wished Gillig did not discontinued the Phantom. It was a classic bus, that still was workable with today's new engines. Thankfully, HRT as a very young fleet of Gillig Phantom.
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 25):
I notice 2 types of transit buses you will never find in Canada ... Gilligs and NABIs.

Correct, sir. I don't know why, other than that governments tend to source within their borders and neither NABI or Gillig have plants here.

We have had the Orion IV on trial here in Vancouver but I have no idea how that bus did in its reviews locally. I saw it at the CUTA conference a while back and it was a nice looking machine.

Come to think about it, neither NABI nor Gillig were even represented at the Canadian Urban Transit Association showcase so I guess they won't be here in Canada anytime soon.
 
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RE: Motorcoach (and Bus) Photos And More! - July 2011

Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:32 am

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 32):
Quoting brendan03 (Reply 30):
Which one would that be?

Newmarket to Asot Vale

That'd be because the train is going over a Junction.   (To Flemington Racecourse, if you're looking at a Map)
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