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Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:41 am

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/category/keeping-them-honest/?hpt=ac_ac1


A poll, who is being honest about job creation? Anderson Cooper compares in Keeping them Honest tonight. The figures do tell a story. Perry does not look too good.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:21 am

Hmmmm..from the Clip as reported by US News & World Report from 2008 to end of 2010.

Federal Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 7%

State Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 8.4%

Local gov't jobs created in Texas = 6.1%

Private Sector jobs created in Texas = -.05% .. yes that's a negative .05%

..and that's amid all those favorable less taxed industries (vs Calif) that Texans like to brag about. Soooo..Mr Perry is now the Job Creator who believes the private sector is the way to go... oh and it gets better!

Spending discipline, Texas/Perry had Budget short fall of 6.6 Billion in 2009. Perry and the GOP legislature stepped past the states 'rainy day' fund and TOOK 6.4 Billion in FEDERAL stimulus funds. The very same day he requested the money, he turned and posted on his blog and article titled 'Help us Turn the Tide in Washington and Stop These Irresponsible Bailouts'...

Sounds like he stole a page right out Bachmann's and Palin's best seller..How to be a Major Hypocrite and Get Away with it!


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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:24 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
Perry does not look too good.

Compared to Obama and 9% unemployment? Good ol Anderson Cooper the reason people are flocking to Texas is the business friendly climate which is a result of Executive policies. Anderson Cooper is great at "keeping them honest" with his own read on things.

When the voters go into that booth they won't be reading into Anderson Cooper's voodoo economics. They are going to look at the president's record. Bad. Then the Texas economy. Good.

Obama better get unemployment down below 8%. If he doesn't he is toast and will most likely lose pretty badly.

Keep up the good work Anderson.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:41 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Compared to Obama and 9% unemployment? Good ol Anderson Cooper the reason people are flocking to Texas is the business friendly climate which is a result of Executive policies. Anderson Cooper is great at "keeping them honest" with his own read on things.

When the voters go into that booth they won't be reading into Anderson Cooper's voodoo economics. They are going to look at the president's record. Bad. Then the Texas economy. Good.

Obama better get unemployment down below 8%. If he doesn't he is toast and will most likely lose pretty badly.

Keep up the good work Anderson.

The old Leftist slant huh? Could you admit to, just a teeny weeny bit of a slant by Perry? I wonder where Anderson got those figures? Are they lies? Texas sucked up 6 billion in Federal money, most of the jobs were in healthcare, if I remember it correctly. Healthcare? Is that not a dirty word in Texas. Minimum wage jobs? Now I know that is good in Texas and to Republicans. My goodness, fess up, the man is a bulshitter. Denial, will not help on this one.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:46 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
The old Leftist slant huh? Could you admit to, just a teeny weeny bit of a slant by Perry? I wonder where Anderson got those figures? Are they lies? Texas sucked up 6 billion in Federal money, most of the jobs were in healthcare, if I remember it correctly. Healthcare? Is that not a dirty word in Texas. Minimum wage jobs? Now I know that is good in Texas and to Republicans. My goodness, fess up, the man is a bulshitter. Denial, will not help on this one.

Sucked up? What did the other states do with federal money? So you are telling me TX is the only state with lobbyists?

Whatever you want to say the voters are not going to use Anderson Cooper on election day. They will ask where the jobs are. If Obama can't provide them he is out. 3/4s of the country feel Obama's vision on the economy is the wrong one. So keep railing on the man from Texas. It will serve you well on TV but no at the ballot box.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:47 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 1):
Hmmmm..from the Clip as reported by US News & World Report from 2008 to end of 2010.

Federal Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 7%

State Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 8.4%

Local gov't jobs created in Texas = 6.1%

Private Sector jobs created in Texas = -.05% .. yes that's a negative .05%

..and that's amid all those favorable less taxed industries (vs Calif) that Texans like to brag about. Soooo..Mr Perry is now the Job Creator who believes the private sector is the way to go... oh and it gets better!

Spending discipline, Texas/Perry had Budget short fall of 6.6 Billion in 2009. Perry and the GOP legislature stepped past the states 'rainy day' fund and TOOK 6.4 Billion in FEDERAL stimulus funds. The very same day he requested the money, he turned and posted on his blog and article titled 'Help us Turn the Tide in Washington and Stop These Irresponsible Bailouts'...

Sounds like he stole a page right out Bachmann's and Palin's best seller..How to be a Major Hypocrite and Get Away with it!

Exactly. I notice a lack of response from the right on this. I know NIKV is a Perry supporter, so I can forgive him. The facts do not lie though, just a bit of right wing hypocrisy from Perry. I expect such.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:55 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5):
I know NIKV is a Perry supporter,

I am actually more of a Christie, Rudy guy. Actually hoping Scott Brown may shock us even would pray Cuomo would step up if the Dems primary Obama but in abscence of this I will vote for anyone opposite Obama on the ticket. Cosmo Kramer could do a better job in the WH.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:55 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Sucked up? What did the other states do with federal money? So you are telling me TX is the only state with lobbyists?



But we expect more from the great state of Texas, not the same old thing that the Democrats do. I mean, if you suck up Federal funds like a drowning man, do not turn around and bite the hand that threw the life preserver. They took the money, now you and Perry will have to live with it. 6 billion to balance the budget, that puts Texas and Perry right down in the muck and mire with rest.




Whatever you want to say the voters are not going to use Anderson Cooper on election day. They will ask where the jobs are. If Obama can't provide them he is out. 3/4s of the country feel Obama's vision on the economy is the wrong one. So keep railing on the man from Texas. It will serve you well on TV but no at the ballot box.

I guess they will listen to Fox though. Funny that.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
I am actually more of a Christie, Rudy guy. Actually hoping Scott Brown may shock us even would pray Cuomo would step up if the Dems primary Obama but in abscence of this I will vote for anyone opposite Obama on the ticket. Cosmo Kramer could do a better job in the WH.

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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
I will vote for anyone opposite Obama on the ticket. Cosmo Kramer could do a better job in the WH.

That is exactly why, I said you are a Perry supporter. If the person is a Rpublican, you will support them. Not exactly a fair and balanced outlook on politics. I think no matter who runs for the Democrats, it would make no difference for some on here. I sure hope the Almighty does come down and run as a Democrat to save us, what a quandry for the Christian Right.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:17 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):
That is exactly why, I said you are a Perry supporter. If the person is a Rpublican, you will support them. Not exactly a fair and balanced outlook on politics

Once again you make a charge you know little about. I voted for Cuomo in the last election. Does he have a R next to his name? I swore it was a D.

Remember just because you oppose Obama it doesn't make you a TP member, racist or someone who always votes party lines. Even though you are going to run with that propaganda all the way to a landslide loss in 2012.

Fact is if Cuomo won a primary over Obama I would vote for him over Perry. In a heartbeat.

So can we dispense with the 24 hour newscycle propaganda? The radical thing blew up in Carter's face 30 years ago you would think that mistake would not be made twice.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:36 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Once again you make a charge you know little about. I voted for Cuomo in the last election. Does he have a R next to his name? I swore it was a D.

I am glad to hear it, it does not show very often in the replies.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Remember just because you oppose Obama it doesn't make you a TP member, racist or someone who always votes party lines. Even though you are going to run with that propaganda all the way to a landslide loss in 2012

I never mentioned race, or TP. One has to admit, you are always there to defend anything said against Republicans. It is always the Democrats fault. My opinion only, of course. I try to never use a third party.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Fact is if Cuomo won a primary over Obama I would vote for him over Perry. In a heartbeat.

Sounds reasonable, but sometimes your statements sound very one sided. I do give you credit, you are always there defending your views, as I do


Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
So can we dispense with the 24 hour newscycle propaganda? The radical thing blew up in Carter's face 30 years ago you would think that mistake would not be made twice.

24 hour newscycle propaganda? Would you please direct me to another source to provide links with a more honest, unbiased, more bi-partisian news outlook. I wonder, is Fox News such? I do know they trumpet the slogan "Fair and Balanced" I just love that one. It sounds just like Anderson Cooper and "keeping them honest" What is the difference?
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:01 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 1):
Spending discipline, Texas/Perry had Budget short fall of 6.6 Billion in 2009. Perry and the GOP legislature stepped past the states 'rainy day' fund and TOOK 6.4 Billion in FEDERAL stimulus funds. The very same day he requested the money, he turned and posted on his blog and article titled 'Help us Turn the Tide in Washington and Stop These Irresponsible Bailouts'...



The legislature meets every two years in Texas. That explains a lot of the budget short fall as the last time they met the recession, and the BP oil spill had not happened. The stimulus bill was passed, the money was going to to be spent. It would have been irresponsible for the Governor not to try and recoup at least what Texans had sent to Washington.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
I wonder where Anderson got those figures?


I do too as I live in Houston and I see help wanted signs all the time for machinists and other trade jobs. I also see companies of all different varieties setting up shop here and putting out help wanted signs. Obviously my overview is but a small section of the State but if it's happening here I find it hard to believe that Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and many other communities are not experiencing the same thing. The only really big losses have come from oil industry supply services being hit with an unexpected down turn thanks to President Obama's administration as well as the plant over in Sealy that produced Army vehicles that suddenly lost their contract to a company in Wisconsin of all places..go figure. Wonder who they voted for up there? Then of course there are all the cuts at NASA down in Clear Lake, but who would think that anyone is punishing the State? Nah, they don't do that.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:48 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 12):
The legislature meets every two years in Texas. That explains a lot of the budget short fall as the last time they met the recession, and the BP oil spill had not happened. The stimulus bill was passed, the money was going to to be spent. It would have been irresponsible for the Governor not to try and recoup at least what Texans had sent to Washington.

Okay, you've 'justified' his reasons from taking federal bail out money (as if the other 49 states don't contribute as well) now have a go at the other half of the equation - his turning around and railing against 'bail out' money.

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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:56 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
I am glad to hear it, it does not show very often in the replies

Especially when you cherry pick which ones to read. Try all.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
you are always there to defend anything said against Republicans

Do a quick search you will see I didn't agree with DADT and think it should have been repealed and didn't agree with Ryan's stupid voucher program. There is just a couple that don't defend something a Rep says. See, it's easy.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Sounds reasonable, but sometimes your statements sound very one sided

We're getting there!

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
24 hour newscycle propaganda? Would you please direct me to another source to provide links with a more honest, unbiased, more bi-partisian news outlook. I wonder, is Fox News such? I do know they trumpet the slogan "Fair and Balanced" I just love that one. It sounds just like Anderson Cooper and "keeping them honest" What is the difference?

None, I have also said the 24 hour news cycle and WH press corps have all degenerated into political arms of the parties. Then again it's been mostly this way forever we just didn't have then on TV all the time to see it.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:59 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 13):
Okay, you've 'justified' his reasons from taking federal bail out money (as if the other 49 states don't contribute as well) now have a go at the other half of the equation - his turning around and railing against 'bail out' money

As a citizen he had every right to protest the bail out monies, TARP, Auto, and stimulus. But just as in the health care debate, once the votes were counted it was incumbent upon him as Governor of the State to make sure that the State got its fair share of what was being distributed whether we liked it or not. It's not his place as Governor to stand on principle, it's his job to look out for the citizens of the State.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 15):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 13):
Okay, you've 'justified' his reasons from taking federal bail out money (as if the other 49 states don't contribute as well) now have a go at the other half of the equation - his turning around and railing against 'bail out' money

As a citizen he had every right to protest the bail out monies, TARP, Auto, and stimulus. But just as in the health care debate, once the votes were counted it was incumbent upon him as Governor of the State to make sure that the State got its fair share of what was being distributed whether we liked it or not. It's not his place as Governor to stand on principle, it's his job to look out for the citizens of the State.

As a 'private citizen' he can visit a local whorehouse too. But since he is the Gov.. he dare not. So your sterling endorsement of the greatest of hypocrisy explains to me clearly the types who vote for people like Bachmann & Perry.
The perfect example of where 'so as I say' (but don't do as I do) ... originates.

Nice try, actually great try... at attempting to validate a case of two-faced hypocrisy of the absolute worse kind..

Here's some more your guy being Gov't one minute and citizen the enxt..oh wait this is Gove being on both sides of the issue...just like above.

Rick Perry's K Street Project Sought Earmarks, Federal Funds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...perrys-k-street-proj_n_929584.html

WASHINGTON -- In his 2010 book "Fed Up!" Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry explained his displeasure with what he called the spending culture in Washington over the previous decade, including the period of unified Republican control from 2003 through 2006.

"They see no problem with spending other people's money for the next feel-good program that a lobbyist brings to them," Perry wrote.

Perry also railed at earmarks, the practice of a member of Congress directing spending to be used on specific programs.

"Earmarks represent the wasteful spending that has most caught public interest of late and for good reason, he wrote. "Earmarks corrupt the process and divert attention from the real task of governing and oversight."


After bitching about lobbyist..Perry jumps in on the very same act with his own Lobbyist.

From the same article
But during the same time period covered in the book, Perry himself entered Texas into controversial contracts with Washington lobbyists who helped bring billions of dollars in federal money to Perry's home state, some of it via earmarks. Some of those lobbyists would wind up pleading guilty in a separate major bribery scandal.


Although we all know the answer, but must wonder have ever allowed this same double standard to apply to anyone other than your favorite Repub pollys?

Perfect example of a Hypocrite - "Cars suck, the pollute the world"..then same guy jumps into his Ford Escort and spudders off.... in case anyone is confused as to what hypocrisy really is.


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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):
I sure hope the Almighty does come down and run as a Democrat to save us, what a quandry for the Christian Right.

That's blasphemy. Every one knows Almighty would run as a Tea Party candidate and undo "the restrictions that hamper economic development like the EPA" and institute religion back into daily life. Drill baby drill, cut down the Amazon, let the polar ice caps melt: these are things that were created for man and for man alone. Who cares if a couple of animals go extinct?
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Especially when you cherry pick which ones to read. Try all.

I do try, but let us face it, you are not exactly a Liberal, espousing liberal causes, just as I do not agree with most Republican issues, some, but not too many.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Do a quick search you will see I didn't agree with DADT and think it should have been repealed and didn't agree with Ryan's stupid voucher program. There is just a couple that don't defend something a Rep says. See, it's easy.


I will take your word for it, on DADT. We must remember on other issues, there are two sides to every story. There is the art of compromise, Obama did not start this road to ruin, he was not in office. This goes back decades, and hit its peak during Jr's years.



[quote=NIKV69,reply=14]None, I have also said the 24 hour news cycle and WH press corps have all degenerated into political arms of the parties. Then again it's been mostly this way forever we just didn't have then on TV all the time to see it.

Bingo, I could not agree more. Some clear unbiased thought to that one. That is rare on here.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:45 am

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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):I sure hope the Almighty does come down and run as a Democrat to save us, what a quandry for the Christian Right.


That's blasphemy. Every one knows Almighty would run as a Tea Party candidate and undo "the restrictions that hamper economic development like the EPA" and institute religion back into daily life. Drill baby drill, cut down the Amazon, let the polar ice caps melt: these are things that were created for man and for man alone. Who cares if a couple of animals go extinct?

A very good answer, I must say, it has thought, and humor. We need that in these days of constant political bickering. I must agree, there is no question, the Tea Party would demand that the Almighty run on their ticket.    

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Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:26 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Compared to Obama and 9% unemployment?

Depends where you are. We are about 6.6%, but we have a LOT of infrastructure spending going on

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Then the Texas economy. Good.

One assumes it will be good on election night. The days of the $^ Billion stimulus for Texas are over so it is cutting spending and raising taxes time.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
What did the other states do with federal money? So you are telling me TX is the only state with lobbyists?

Put it on infrastructure, teachers, police & fire, etc.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
So keep railing on the man from Texas.

We won't have to. There will be enough people from Texas who will maintain a continual flow of issues that Gov Hair doesn't want well known. The bit about the public jobs BS he is sprouting is just one issue put on the table.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Once again you make a charge you know little about. I voted for Cuomo in the last election. Does he have a R next to his name? I swore it was a D.

Sorry Nick, but people won't believe you. Just like they won't believe that I voted for W (only!) the first time around.

There have been some reasonable articles/opinions on Perry and his job creation recently. One i caught (off of Google News) was from the Christian Science Monitor. Key for me:

Quote:

Except when it comes to job creation. Over the last few years, government jobs have been awfully consequential in Texas: 47% of all government jobs added in the US between 2007 and 2010 were added in Texas.

The chart shows that Texas employment wasn%u2019t down much at all in these years, as the state lost only 53,000 jobs. But looming behind that number are large losses in the private sector (down 178,000) and large gains (up 125,000) in government jobs.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Obama better get unemployment down below 8%.

We are about 6.6% as the last release. But we have a lot of infrastructure spending, which is the real "trickle down economic boost" for the economy.

Not only does that investment get jobs moving, it increases tax revenues as opposed to more government payments for the unemployed.

And it leaves a structure in place that we, the tax payers, can use for decades.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:34 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Sorry Nick, but people won't believe you. Just like they won't believe that I voted for W (only!) the first time around.

It falls into the fact you can't accept that people that don't support Obama can be something other than TP. It's ok. I actually pity the people that have made the decision two years ago that any opposition to Obama was rooted in KKK style hatred for the black man and refused to budge while hoping if they recite enough it will become true. It's ok. I am sure Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews will lead the day after Obama loses the election with how racism and hatred is the reason he lost.

I can't wait.

I put the question to you. Will you support Cuomo if he decides to run for President and says he will govern as he has in NY? By what you say you can't because you can't support a smaller government, cap taxes, balance budget sort of guy. I can because his policies mirror my beliefs.
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:43 am

May I step into the fray?

To me, the Perry v. Obama can be solved fairly quickly. In fact, it requires answering just one question.

How's the country doing under Obama?

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Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:00 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
As a 'private citizen' he can visit a local whorehouse too.


Not in Texas he can't.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
The perfect example of where 'so as I say' (but don't do as I do) ... originates.


No, this is a perfect example of how the Governor is not King. It is also an example of he is not in a position to stop the spending from starting but due his position has to look out for the citizens of the State he is elected to represent. His statements reflect what he would do if President. In other words, no stimulus. But nice try at painting something that isn't there. President Obama ran on, in part, repealing the tax cuts from 2003, closing Gitmo, winding up Iraq quickly, and passing a cap and tax bill on energy production. None of those happened. In fact he agreed to extend the tax cuts, keep Gitmo open, stayed with the Bush administration negotiated withdrawal from Iraq, and didn't even send legislation to the Congress for cap and tax. Does that make him a hypocrite? No, it speaks to the realities of politics.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Put it on infrastructure, teachers, police & fire, etc


Less than 10% to infrastructure but you hit the nail on the head as the public service unions made out like bandits.
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:24 am

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 22):
How's the country doing under Obama?

You're absolutely positive it would have been better under McCain? And you're absolutely positive it would be better under Perry?

Not quite so simple.

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Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:14 am

Obama did nothing in his Chicago precinct and district, which makes his election even more unbelievable. I can't believe that Msr. Carney had the gall to challenge Texas' graduation rates. That's hilarious because Chicago has one of the lowest literacy and graduation rates in the country. Yes, please Msr. Carney, tell us how Texas can make their education system right. It's Chicago Politics. Ignore your own failures and attack.
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:51 pm

Under McCain-Palin the Repubs would've rolled back TARP, ceased unemployment assistance and let American automobile manufacturing disappear. Maybe that would've been a good thing in the long run but the failure of Wall Street, Big Banking and the Big Three could not surely have led to higher employment than we're seeing under Obama. Are there people in this country that believe that? I don't like this debt load one bit but I'd rather climb out of this whole than be part of a country with 17% unemployment and 100M people on food stamps instead of 46M. Maybe the numbers are inflated but to come in here and say they'd be in the opposite direction is just pure fantasy. The right held on to their cherished tax cust for the wealthy and yet I still don't see people handing out employment offers from their Benzes and Bugattis.
 
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:21 am

1) Perry's job creation platform is based on a myth, but it is a good sounding myth so will never be looked at in depth by most voters.

2) Perry's job creation emphasis is moving jobs from other states to Texas. I have no idea how that could work on a national scale, but if he could move jobs from other countries to the US - it would be great. Tremendously unlikely since it would require reversing 30+ years of emphasis by Republicans on 'free trade' and tax breaks for companies that move jobs outside the US.

3) Perry will very likely be the next president, because the only vital factor in 2012 will be how many people are out of work. If that number is high enough - President Obama will lose. No matter who gets the Republican nomination.
 
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:29 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 27):
1) Perry's job creation platform is based on a myth, but it is a good sounding myth so will never be looked at in depth by most voters.


Which is the biggest problem we have in this country, uniformed voters.




2) Perry's job creation emphasis is moving jobs from other states to Texas. I have no idea how that could work on a national scale, but if he could move jobs from other countries to the US - it would be great. Tremendously unlikely since it would require reversing 30+ years of emphasis by Republicans on 'free trade' and tax breaks for companies that move jobs outside the US.




I am glad you brought that point up. Texas is sucking jobs from other states. My daughter's best friend, working at Fidelity, was just informed her job is heading to Texas.




3) Perry will very likely be the next president, because the only vital factor in 2012 will be how many people are out of work. If that number is high enough - President Obama will lose. No matter who gets the Republican nomination.

My goodness, can people be that stupid, to elect this phoney?
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:40 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 28):
My goodness, can people be that stupid, to elect this phoney?

Sadly, the 2008 elections proved: Yes, they surely can!

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Again, no comment one way or the other about Gov. Perry, but a couple of logical breakdowns in this thread need to be addressed.

First of all, it is not "hypocrisy" for a Governor to be philosophically opposed to federal government (insert name of federally-administered transfer payments), and still allow the state which he or she governs to accept them. In a system in which the federal government is confiscating money from the citizens of the various states (which, of course, it is), to refuse to accept the state's respective share of the funds would be irresponsible, and harmful to the state in relation to the other states. Most states would be better-off if that money was never snatched from the purses of productive citizens.

Secondly, speaking to the issue of what the Texas Governor can and cannot do (whether it be Ann Richards, God keep her corrupt but irresistibly-interesting soul, or Rick Perry), again, the Texas Governor wields very little authority - is not a king or queen. Perhaps best for one who chooses to comment on the Texas Governor, to actually understand that which such Governors can and cannot do.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:07 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 29):
Sadly, the 2008 elections proved: Yes, they surely can!

I will agree, we have an uninformed electorate, both sides, get taken in. People are gullible, we have seen that many times as power switched from one party to another.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 29):
First of all, it is not "hypocrisy" for a Governor to be philosophically opposed to federal government (insert name of federally-administered transfer payments), and still allow the state which he or she governs to accept them. In a system in which the federal government is confiscating money from the citizens of the various states (which, of course, it is), to refuse to accept the state's respective share of the funds would be irresponsible, and harmful to the state in relation to the other states. Most states would be better-off if that money was never snatched from the purses of productive citizens.

When one takes from the hand of government, it is in my opinion hypocrisy to grab the money and then preach against that very policy which handed them the money.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 29):
Secondly, speaking to the issue of what the Texas Governor can and cannot do (whether it be Ann Richards, God keep her corrupt but irresistibly-interesting soul, or Rick Perry), again, the Texas Governor wields very little authority - is not a king or queen. Perhaps best for one who chooses to comment on the Texas Governor, to actually understand that which such Governors can and cannot do.

We are all aware of the duties of the Governor. We are all aware of who is the leader of Texas and his party. We are all aware of who leads and recommends to the legislature, especially when the control of the state legislature and governorship is held by the same party as is the case in Texas. Perry made the decisions, Perry is now claiming credit for all that has been accomplished in Texas, what ever that is? He is where the buck stops. To paint it any other way, with one party holding power is naive.

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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:51 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 29):
to refuse to accept the state's respective share of the funds would be irresponsible,

Yet Perry went hat in hand begging to the Obama administration for hundreds of millions of federal dollars to keep from Texas having to cut school funding while he was running for re-election as govenor.

After winning that election with a promise to serve a full term, Perry now refuses to accept the same money under the same conditions for this budget year just before his presidential campaign.

His refusal will put over 100,000 people out of work from the various school systems - most of them teachers.
 
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:00 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 28):
My goodness, can people be that stupid, to elect this phoney?

"This phoney" is not running against President Obama.

He is trying to stand out and beat the other people who seek the Republican Party nomination. In that, his statements and proposals are aimed at winning the most Republican delegates - at being the most 'conservative' of all the candidates.

Perry has almost all the key political gurus and fund raisers who put George W. Bush into the White House. It is my opinion that no one on the Republican side can raise as much money, or conduct as dirty a campaign as Perry's supporters. They don't stand a chance against that machine. (Rick Perry is a perfect choice for the Republican 'royalty' machine that ran the country from 1981-93 & 2001-2009. Photogenic, good speaker, great smile - and relatively dumb, not interested in the details of government - leaving the important decisions to his advisory team.)

As far as the Presidential election - it does not matter who wins the Republican nomination.

President Obama determines his own fate. He must get people back to work, build a belief in the people of the United States that they have hope and an economy which can make those hopes come true. If the people believe in Nov 2012 - he will be unbeatable.

If he does not - he will not be re-elected - no matter who is the Republican candidate.
 
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
President Obama determines his own fate. He must get people back to work, build a belief in the people of the United States that they have hope and an economy which can make those hopes come true. If the people believe in Nov 2012 - he will be unbeatable.

I do agree, but, I cannnot help but wonder, is the lack of job creation while socking away a trillion dollars by US Corporations, part of the Grand Program of the GOP to defeat Obama? No jobs, no Obama, no health plan, no tax increases for the wealthy, no SS, no Medicare. That is a Republican Utopia, until the next election when the people realize the change in their way of life, and what they have done to themselves. Even a dumb electorate will wake up at some time.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
the man is a bulshitter. Denial, will not help on this one.

WarRI1.........I believe there are two "l's" in "bull"; ( plus that's not "nice" in public....)

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 7):
I guess they will listen to Fox though. Funny that.

Looks like the ratings totally support your "guess" !

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):
That is exactly why, I said you are a Perry supporter. If the person is a Rpublican, you will support them. Not exactly a fair and balanced outlook on politics. I think no matter who runs for the Democrats, it would make no difference for some on here. I sure hope the Almighty does come down and run as a Democrat to save us, what a quandry for the Christian Right.

A lot of things wrong with that reply; A. referring to "the Almighty" is automatically putting you at "odds" with 99% of your fellow "liberals"; ( they mostly don't believe there IS an "Almighty"; B. the part about "who runs" for the Dems........that's pretty easy.............the last time I can remember a Democrat doing ANYTHING that "made sense", was when .........................( former Governor of Georgia ) "jumped ship" and supported George W. Bush at the Republican convention prior to his first term. Zell Miller ? ( had it on tip of my big toe )

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
"Fair and Balanced" I just love that one. It sounds just like Anderson Cooper and "keeping them honest" What is the difference?

All this talk about Anderson Cooper; if he's your "hero".............you need a new "hero" ! ( YUCK !!!! )

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
As a 'private citizen' he can visit a local whorehouse too.

Funny you should mention that..........just like that other Democrat "paragon of virtue", the great JERRY SPRINGER actually got caught doing while he was the mayor of Cincinnati, ( and driving a city owned car, no less )
Your "credibility" pretty much went "out the window" awhile back when you admitted, ( on a public forum ), that you "supported" Sheila Jackson Lee ! ( You'll have to do 6 back flips off of a 1 meter board to "atone" for that one ! )


[quote=jcs17,reply=25]Obama did nothing in his Chicago precinct and district, which makes his election even more unbelievable. I can't believe that Msr. Carney had the gall to challenge Texas' graduation rates. That's hilarious because Chicago has one of the lowest literacy and graduation rates in the country. Yes, please Msr. Carney, tell us how Texas can make their education system right. It's Chicago Politics. Ignore your own failures and attack.

A very true and thoughtful reply, with which I completely agree, JCS17 !

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 22):
To me, the Perry v. Obama can be solved fairly quickly. In fact, it requires answering just one question.
How's the country doing under Obama?

And once again, Sleekjet wins the Grand Prize for best reply with fewest words on the thread ! Congratulations, Sleekjet !!!!!!

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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 1):
Federal Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 7%

State Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 8.4%

Local gov't jobs created in Texas = 6.1%



That's not creating jobs, that's printing money and adding "costs" to the economy , not creating value in any way shape or form. Liberals are not financial creators ...they are distributors , all they know how to do is take and give not create and grow.

I warned the republican governors back 2-3 years ago on this sight. Do not accept stimulus money ... the Dems would use it against you next election . Axelrod took about 3.3 seconds to pull it out , "Perry accepted stimulus money" he is doomed. And he deserves to be .

We deserve another 4 years of Obama ... then Americans will happy to take any job they can get.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 35):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 1):Federal Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 7%

State Gov't Jobs created in Texas = 8.4%

Local gov't jobs created in Texas = 6.1%

You miss the point, he was pointing out the hypocricy, more government jobs were created in Texas, than civilian. funny that. Texas sucking on the Teat of government, imagine that.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 35):
I warned the republican governors back 2-3 years ago on this sight. Do not accept stimulus money ... the Dems would use it against you next election . Axelrod took about 3.3 seconds to pull it out , "Perry accepted stimulus money" he is doomed. And he deserves to be .

Axelrod was correct.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 35):
We deserve another 4 years of Obama ... then Americans will happy to take any job they can get.

Your cannidate please, this miracle worker who will make this mess created by our crooked congress go away. I might vote for him. I cannot say her, even when joking.
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:31 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 36):
Your cannidate please



Herman Cain , that man is just crazy enough to do what has to be done.

Are you referring to the 2006-2010 congress? , yes it is a mess indeed but it can be unraveled. Or the mess created by Obama's 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling? saying " it shows a lack of leadership". Leadership to cut 50% from the federal budget .. I guess that's what he was talking about .

The government is not going to get us out of this mess (except by cutting) , the American businessman and women is . The creators of jobs , the creators of products the risk takers and the employers of the American people. Herman Cain understands buisness people , boardrooms and strategies . Right now its the Hermenator for me !
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 22):
How's the country doing under Obama?

Considering the Great Recession and downward spiral this country was in when he took over, AND the battles that the GOP and TPers choose to fight on the political side (especially recently) Obama has done a pretty good job.

Anyone watching the Debt Ceiling FUBAR has to wonder how much better a condition this country would have been in if the GOP could have worked with Obama instead of trying to beat him in 2012.

Quoting dxing (Reply 23):
Less than 10% to infrastructure but you hit the nail on the head as the public service unions made out like bandits.

Your preference is that workers on the infrastructure only get minimum wages & no benefits? Great way to further destroy the Middle Class in this country.

Quoting wingman (Reply 26):

Under McCain-Palin the Repubs would've rolled back TARP, ceased unemployment assistance and let American automobile manufacturing disappear. Maybe that would've been a good thing in the long run but the failure of Wall Street, Big Banking and the Big Three could not surely have led to higher employment than we're seeing under Obama.

Toss that into the Great Recession (now considered a contraction) and you have the makings for a genuine Depression.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 27):

1) Perry's job creation platform is based on a myth, but it is a good sounding myth so will never be looked at in depth by most voters.

And government jobs.  Wow!
Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
You're absolutely positive it would have been better under McCain? And you're absolutely positive it would be better under Perry?

I believe that McCain would have taken a somewhat conservative position for a brief time. As things continued to get worse McCain would have had a very fast conversion to pragmatic. The last thing that McCain would have wanted is a Depression.

That would have put McCain into about the same position as Obama when it comes to economic management.

That brings up an interesting question - would Palin have supported her "boss"? Or would she have looked to 2012 and stabbed him in the back?

Perry? I think it is clear that the Red Meat Man can deliver Money Bombs, but is lacking in intellectual capacity needed to be President. The guy makes W look like a scholar.
 
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RE: Perry Versus Obama, In Job Creation.

Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:17 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 38):
Anyone watching the Debt Ceiling FUBAR has to wonder how much better a condition this country would have been in if the GOP could have worked with Obama instead of trying to beat him in 2012.



Anyone who is serious does not ... your pepe's had command and control of three branches for 4 /2 years . They could have raised it ... or better yet just eliminated the debt ceiling . And what the heck are you talking about ?... Obama got exactly what he wanted out of the debt ceiling "debacle". S&P did not ... so they downgraded because they know we cant pay the liberals bills . Obama and the Dems really are like spoiled little American kids and about as brain dead .

Any rating agency who does not downgrade us is being dishonest ... its fundamental . Debts out pace Income ... not that hard to figure out. And we are not even showing Obama care unfunded $40 trillion dollar swamp still yet to hit the books for our kids and grand kids.

But hey ... they got some cheap shots in on the TEA's . That is as far ahead as they think anyway, how can they blame someone else , that's all these losers think about. He leads from behind so he can blame who ever is in front ... nice.

Perry and Herman Cain now that sounds like a dream ticket to me ...

But first , I hope States strengthen their riot control and national Gaurd elements .. these spoiled kids are going to be burning shit down . Bring the troops home ...were going to need them in our streets.
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