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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:37 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 40):
If you want to go there, I worked for a consulting company that does a lot of MTO inspection work and they know that the 401 in that area mainly between Kitchener and Mississauga needs to be reconstructed and also widened. It was just resurfaced but that doesn't fix the problem that the highway needs to be rebuilt because the asphalt will crack in the same places again in a few years. The reality there that closing the 401 would not be possible because of how busy it is.

Well, let's not mix upgrades needed due to poor construction and lack of capacity with the parameters required to achieve higher speed (although there is a connection).
As far as the surface quality is concerned, well, I find it unbelievable that construction companies in Canada have done such poor work. However, there is a solution, it can be fixed. It's difficult, but it can be done. OTOH there is no solution for the 401's lack of capacity around the GTA. With everybody and his brother wanting to conduct business in Toronto, the road network will lack capacity forever. That said, the 401 has large turning radii, massive center dividers and long merging lanes. So higher speeds are entirely possible.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:21 am

Keep in mind that the national speed limit of 55 MPH in the USA was not set due to safety concerns, it was set to conserve natural resources - there was a war on and fuel was precious. It took a really long time for the national speed limit to be repealed, but most people (read: government people) couldn't really wrap their minds around truly setting "reasonable" speed limits. So many states stayed at 55 MPH, some went up to only 65 MPH...many states kept separate standards for surface streets and freeways, some set the same maximum on both...and notoriously, Montana set their speed limit to "Reasonable & Prudent" and instead focused on overall traffic safety.

As it was, Montana actually didn't see any ill effects to safety due to their unrestricted speeds. Instead of solely looking for drivers exceeding a pre-set speed, highway patrol focused on people driving poorly maintained vehicles at unsafe speeds or drivers who thought it was appropriate to tailgate at 90 MPH. However, this was eventually too hard to evaluate for the feds (and insurance companies), so the state was essentially threatened with the withholding of transportation funds if they didn't set an actual speed limit.

At any rate, in regard to the 85th percentile speed issue, the speed limit is intended to represent that because it is safest if the vast majority of traffic is traveling at or below the speed that the roadway was designed for (i.e., clear zones, curves, signage, etc.). In practice, almost all jurisdictions simply set speed limits based on what they WANT them to be. In theory, the speeds on a stretch of roadway are supposed to be sampled to determine the true 85th percentile speed, then set the speed limit accordingly.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:56 am

I've always found that honesty has always worked for me.

I've been pulled over a few times over the last few years, all over moments of inattention. I once accidentally found myself doing 80 in a 65 while I was thinking about the divorce i was going through at the time. Passed a cop and knew he'd have caught me speeding. Decided to pull over and wait for the ticket. Officer approached, I admitted that I had a lot on my mind and just hadn't checked my speedometer. Got scolded, but let off.

Another time an officer pulled me over for failure to provide enough signal time. I hadn't had my blinker on long enough before changing lanes, as I was trying to catch an exit and was in the wrong lane. Informed the officer I wasn't aware that I had to let it flash for 5 full seconds and apologized. Verbal warning.

The biggest and most important one though has to be the time I got out of a severe ticket that I would have had for rolling my truck and blocking the interstate for hours with its wreckage. I had fallen asleep at the wheel, woke up as I was heading off the road, overcorrected and rolled it twice before being ejected. Wound up in the hospital with severe injuries. Two cops came into the hospital room to ask me what happened. I told them the truth. It surprised them so much that instead of giving me an Inattentive Driving ticket, which would have meant a court date and steep fine, they gave me Failure to Maintain Lane and Failure to Wear Seatbelt. I paid $50 and I enjoy affordable insurance years later thanks to them. Honesty sometimes pays. They fully expected to hear me say a wild animal darted in front of me or that the road was wet, some lame "it wasn't my fault" excuse.

Cops seem to appreciate it when you buck up and own up to your own mistakes. BS just pisses them off.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:58 am

Two times.

First, I was busted for speeding was somewhere in East Texas during my move from Dallas to Washington. He saw that I had junk in the trunk (literally), my car was packed, and once I told him I was moving, he let me go with a warning. Nice guy.

Second, I had two interviews in New York City when I was living in Virginia. I got pulled over shortly after leaving the tunnel toll plaza on I-95 through Baltimore. The Baltimore City officers thought I looked nervous so they asked me out of the car and frisked me on the trunk. They said they'd let me go without a ticket if I let them search my car. Fine. Yeah, nothing is more suspicious than a white guy wearing a collared shirt and plaid pants. Dumb, PC assholes. Do all Americans a favor and patrol Baltimore mosques.

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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:10 am

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 53):
Second, I had two interviews in New York City when I was living in Virginia. I got pulled over shortly after leaving the tunnel toll plaza on I-95 through Baltimore. The Baltimore City officers thought I looked nervous so they asked me out of the car and frisked me on the trunk. They said they'd let me go without a ticket if I let them search my car. Fine. Yeah, nothing is more suspicious than a white guy wearing a collared shirt and plaid pants. Dumb, PC assholes.

That reminds me of an incident I went through back in 2005. I was moving to California and I just so happened to buy a car before making the move. I had a temporary tag in the back window and intended to register the car once I got to California rather than waste money registering it in my home state only to transfer the registration 5 days later.

This worked fine for the entire drive. I went through Utah and Nevada without any trouble, but upon arriving in California I was promptly pulled over by a pair of extremely rude cops. My car was packed with all the stuff I was moving and the cops asked me a lot of questions about why I had an unlicensed vehicle completely full of junk. I explained that I was moving to California and intended to register the car here as I'd just bought it. They weren't convinced. Asked me if I had any drugs in the car. I was like "what? I don't do drugs."

They asked me to step out of the car and escorted me to the trunk. Then one of the officers pinned my arms behind my back and held them tightly while the other cop interviewed my roommate who was passenger in the car. Then they made him get out and asked me if they could search the car. I was like "well, it might take you a couple of hours to search through everything but if that's what you want to do..."

Then they focused on my temp tag, asking me if it was real or if it was a fake. I'm like "I can give you the phone number of the bank that financed the car as well as the DMV in my hometown if you want to check"

Again they didn't follow up on that and eventually let me go with a very rude warning to get to my destination and get that car registered or I'd have a ticket in the very near future. Most humiliating moment of my driving history. Passersby on the highway would have seen what would have looked like someone being cuffed on the back of their car.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:25 am

My best excuse: not having one (and be polite). Works better than anything else I have ever tried.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
Don't know about Ontario, but BC has some incredibly ridiculous low speedlimits on our highways.

I remember driving through a national park in California (I want to say Death Valley but I could be wrong) with long stretches of straight, empty road with a few tight turns here and there due to terrain. The yellow signs for the Recommended Speed ahead of these turns were the same as the posted speed limit! Obviously the state knew no one actually followed the speed limit...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
We could learn.

No, we couldn't. Whichever politician actually condoned driver's ed the German way anywhere in the US would be recalled within 30 days!
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:02 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 55):
My best excuse: not having one (and be polite).

              

I've talked to many police and this is the general consensus... got me out of 3 tickets! The police don't want to hear it because everyone has an excuse (unless it is a true emergency)

One stop I almost didn't take that advice. I was quiet the whole time then I decided I'd say something. He immediately cut me off and I knew in an almost telepathic way he was happy I didn't give a BS excuse and to stop me before I did... warning  
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:50 pm

Bongodog
I've never been on a speeding awareness course, having never been caught speeding, doesn't mean I don't, but I'm probably better trained than most to do it. That said, I am way out of practice these days at the very fast in traffic stuff. I could kid myself like most of the population do, but I've seen the result, and there is nothing like doing the long walk up a garden path, knocking on the door, and when its answered doing the "Mrs Smith, can I come in please I've got some bad news" speech to deter you!
The problem with the UK is, no one thinks speed limits apply to them, but they lack the driving skill, equipment in the form of a perfectly serviceable car, and the roads to put the ambition to drive fast into driving fast safely.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 56):


I've talked to many police and this is the general consensus... got me out of 3 tickets! The police don't want to hear it because everyone has an excuse (unless it is a true emergency)

I haven't been stoppped for speeding in 14 years. Before that 3 times stopped. Only ever got 1 ticket due to the politeness rules.

...........

But this guy I heard of, he was going over 80 in a 55.....A police officer attempts to pull him over for speeding and the guy gradually increases his speed until he's topping 100 mph. The cop has no problem keeping up. This guy eventually realizes he can't escape and finally pulls over.
The cop approaches the car and says, "It's been a long day and my shift is almost over, so if you can give me a good excuse for your behavior, I'll let you go."
The guy thinks for a few seconds and then says, "My wife ran away with a cop about a week ago. I thought you might be that officer trying to give her back!"

ba dum dum..       
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:18 pm

Quoting bjcc (Reply 57):
Bongodog
I've never been on a speeding awareness course, having never been caught speeding, doesn't mean I don't, but I'm probably better trained than most to do it. That said, I am way out of practice these days at the very fast in traffic stuff. I could kid myself like most of the population do, but I've seen the result, and there is nothing like doing the long walk up a garden path, knocking on the door, and when its answered doing the "Mrs Smith, can I come in please I've got some bad news" speech to deter you!
The problem with the UK is, no one thinks speed limits apply to them, but they lack the driving skill, equipment in the form of a perfectly serviceable car, and the roads to put the ambition to drive fast into driving fast safely.

You must be either work in a speed ticket office, or be a person lecturing on the courses, as without exception everyone I know who has been on a speed awareness course declared it a total waste of time (apart from avoiding the points) Of course all the participants sit there looking attentive and make the right noises; if the course leaders believe that they are acheiving much they really are deluded. As to the "knocking on the door bit" thats difficult I will admit, but please dont lecture on the subject as my job means I then have to deal with the next week or two of pain and anguish that follows. I deal with road deaths, but can assure you that these speed awareness courses arent the answer.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:31 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 58):
The guy thinks for a few seconds and then says, "My wife ran away with a cop about a week ago. I thought you might be that officer trying to give her back!"

Nice story.

Had to be cautious in a country town in NSW when I worked there as my boss in Sydney had indeed run off with the wife of the local cop! Cannot be too careful.

An Aus friend of mine swore that when he worked in the UK, on a back road in the UK a vehicle came up behind him ringing a bell - as police cars in the UK did back around 1960 - and he thought it was an ice cream van. He also assumed he was in the way and thought the road too narrow for passing (as many back roads still are!). So he speeded up in his mini and only after some miles realised his error and stopped. I think there was a long "discussion" and an exchange of view about the colonies and their inhabitants.

I once overtook a line of cars going up a hill on the old A1 only to find they were queued behind a police Jaguar, seeing it only as I was level with it. I completed the passing "movement" and slowed down using handbrake to avoid the dreaded brake lights and was duly pulled over. I then got a long lecture about how many sins I had committed (many many) and I was expecting even more than the worst, but finally got a warning not to do it again. Nearest I have been to a booking in the UK.

In Aus, the radar gets you, but I have cruise control these days and USE it. But the limits go up and down like a toilet seat at a party. So with the best will, it is difficult to get from here to Syd airport without some transgression.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:09 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 42):
Some of you reading this post probably feel that you and your vehicle of choice can handle high speed driving. Well, that's fine so long as you're being honest with yourself. Personally, I'm good up to about 90. I'd rather save on gas though.

I started this thread and then stood back. My aim in opening the thread was to see what sort of amusing excuses have been given and I welcome all the responses.

It has been instructive to read how different people view safe driving and I have enjoyed some of the anecdotes about those unfortunate enough to be pulled over. I loved the one about the guy whose wife ran off with the police officer and he sped up because he thought the PC wanted to give her back.

But I agree with ShyFlyer about how at times we can all over-estimate our abilities and think that we are safe drivers. I suspect that every single driver who lost control of his/ her vehicle thought the same. Everyone is "safe" until they crash. This was brought home to me most dramatically when I was driving home from a funeral (my fathers) when somebody ran me off the road. The really sad part is not how safe a driver someone thought they were, but how many people who were driving responsibly they take out while demonstrating their belief. Kill yourself by all means. It is your democratic right. But it is every other driver's right to expect that you drive with "due care and attention and regard for other road users." It is even established in law!
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm

In Virginia, it's considered reckless driving if you're going over 80 mph. Basically, it's the equivalent of DUI. I think it's silly because the two are clearly not the same. On an uncongested freeway during the day in good conditions, 80 mph should be fine. I think it comes down to common sense. It's frustrating when most of the police officers in the area are traffic cops. People are going to do 80 mph on the freeway, raise revenue a different way.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting pdxtriple7 (Reply 62):
People are going to do 80 mph on the freeway, raise revenue a different way.

This is one of he views that I have least sympathy with. I suspect (although readily admit that I may be wrong) that most people are aware of what the speed limit is on roads that they regularly travel. Even if they don't, there are posted limits and if not that is an area to challenge a violation, unless the law provides that in the absense of a posted limit an overall limit applies. In short, the motorist is able to discern what the limit is and shopuld modify his/ her speed accordingly.

If motorists choose to igneore the spped limits they have made a choice and can live with that choice. If they do not wish to contibute to "revenue raising" there is a very simple solution. Ease the pressure on the accelerator. It isn't too difficulkt to understand, is it?

Don't get me wrong. I am not a goody two shoes, but it seems simple enough. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't get caught. Ease off.

In the meanime are you actively gaining support to get the limit changed through your elected representatives? There are two issues here: democracy and road safety.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting pdxtriple7 (Reply 62):

In Virginia, it's considered reckless driving if you're going over 80 mph. Basically, it's the equivalent of DUI.

That law is unbelievably stupid.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:30 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
Do you really think North Dakota needs speed limits? There is no reason why one couldn't cruise down much of I-55 at triple digit speeds or near it.

I-55 runs through ND? News to me  

However...I will tell you this. In the last month, I have taken countless calls regarding cows on the highway, goats on the highway, car vs deer accidents.... So although we don't have many hills, trees or curves, we do have dangers here
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Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:35 am

I thought this was an Aviation related website???

Your Honor, I wasn't speeding... Just flying too low!  
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:07 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 55):

My best excuse: not having one (and be polite). Works better than anything else I have ever tried.

Me too I got out of it by just owning it and saying the highway was empty and let my speed creep up, I wasn't driving recklessly and the consequences of the fine would have been far worse and the officer took pity on me.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 64):
Quoting pdxtriple7 (Reply 62):

In Virginia, it's considered reckless driving if you're going over 80 mph. Basically, it's the equivalent of DUI.

That law is unbelievably stupid.

I agree and disagree with your opinion here, and this goes for the racing laws in Canada where there is more punishment than just a fine.

I don't agree that the law is stupid but I often disagree with the enforcement of these laws.

Where I agree is that these speeding laws shouldn't be enforced on a black and white system if you are doing 80 on an empty road in good conditions and get caught then pay the fine and be done with it. If you are even doing the limit and driving in heavy rain or snow, or weaving in and out on the highway at peak hour then its cause for a "Reckless driving" charge.

Officers should be taken to task when they go out of their way to trap drivers when their is a drop in the limit.

Quoting pdxtriple7 (Reply 62):
In Virginia, it's considered reckless driving if you're going over 80 mph. Basically, it's the equivalent of DUI. I think it's silly because the two are clearly not the same. On an uncongested freeway during the day in good conditions, 80 mph should be fine. I think it comes down to common sense. It's frustrating when most of the police officers in the area are traffic cops. People are going to do 80 mph on the freeway, raise revenue a different way.

Unfortunately a lot of these laws are written to those without it and lets also remember one thing that doesn't lie here and that's simple physics. When you double the speed of the car the energy present is 4 times and with triple it the energy in 9 times the initial speed.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 55):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
We could learn.

No, we couldn't. Whichever politician actually condoned driver's ed the German way anywhere in the US would be recalled within 30 days!

Why do you say that because of costs or that in Germany they teach driving as a skill that is taken very seriously?
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:25 am

(True Story)
Every year, an acquaintance of mine here in Vancouver rented a car to drive with his wife to Santa Fe to visit with a friend there. This one year, the agency didn't have the car he ordered so they upgraded him to a Saab 9000 turbo convertible. He didn't refuse the offer.

They were headed south somewhere in the United States and under a great, wide open sky, he opened up the throttle and the car sailed along the Interstate. Some distance down the road a state trooper pulled him over.

The trooper, according to my ex-trucker acquaintance, was about ten months out of diapers, wearing shiny reflective State Trooper sunglasses. The image of him calling my acquaintance "boy" was a little incongruous but apparently that's what he said when he asked, "Do you have any idea how fast you were goin', boy?"

"No idea at all, Officer.," he replied back innocently. "I'm from Canada and my speedometer is measured in kilometres an hour only. I have no idea how fast 70 MPH is."

The officer leaned into the car and was stunned by what he saw.

So he offered to escort my acquaintance along the highway for a couple of miles. "When I get to 70 MPH, I'll flash my emergency lights so you know how fast that is, OK?"

They headed off down the Interstate and a few minutes later, the trooper flashed his lights (at 112 km/h- we all know that) and then, with a wave, dropped back. My acquaintance waved back, kept to the speed limit for about 5 miles and then pinned the throttle without further incident.

* * * * *

No excuse here- just a good story.

It is from the time when BC had photo radar. When images were taken of the car, the photo had the speed, location, date, and time of the offence. They were deliberately set so as not to identify the driver. The photo, along with the ticket was then mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle.

The photo radar was always set up in a (GMC Safari) van. The cameras did their thing, taking pictures of license plates of cars as they sped past from behind while the van sat parked at the side of the road and the police officer inside sat and read the paper or ate doughnuts or napped....

Anyway, a friend of mine parked his beat up old pick up on a side road behind the photo radar van. He snuck up to the back of the van undetected, unbolted the license plate of the photo radar van, took it back to his truck, and bolted it over his own license plate.

He then proceeded to drive around the block, speeding past the photo radar van fast enough to get a ticket several times. He then parked his truck out of sight, snuck up and replaced the license plate on the photo radar van and then drove away in the opposite direction. The cop inside the van never knew what had happened.

Imagine the reaction of the RCMP receiving those speeding tickets in the mail.

* * * * *

And then finally, no excuse here either...

There was a guy who got a photo radar picture in the mail, along with the ticket.

Since it was only a photo of him speeding, instead of putting an actual cheque in the return envelope, he put a picture of the cheque instead.

A couple of weeks later, he received a second letter from the photo radar enforcement branch. It contained a picture of a pair of handcuffs.

He put the real cheque into the return envelope.

Nice to see there are cops out there with a sense of humour! lol
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:55 am

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Niether, I used to have a big silly hat, and walk or drive the streets for money. Part of that was dealing with the mess that the UK's expert drivers create on a regular basis.
I didn't express an opinion about speed awareness courses, but from listening to people who've been on them, the over riding opinion is that they were a waste of time, not because they are, but simply because as we all know the average British driver has the skills of Jason Button, the reaction time of an ace fighter pilot and the foresight of a gypsy fortune teller. On the other hand, if they had to do that long walk down a garden path, they may well realise that speeding isn't such a good idea.
The sad facts are though, that the average British driver has very poor driving skills. Reacts far too late to developing hazards ahead of them, and often aren't looking any further than the end of their own bonnet.
In short, ambition doesn't match reality.
The evidence for that is provided by those who get caught by fixed Gatso cameras. They are now all in zones marked with signage and are in big yellow boxes. Now, if a driver can't or wont see those in plenty of time to slow down, they have no business driving at all let alone above a speed limit. Yet those very same people are the ones who claim they are perfectly safe driving at whatever speed they like.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:35 am

Quoting bjcc (Reply 69):
The sad facts are though, that the average British driver has very poor driving skills

Not talking about myself at all, there are many excellent drivers out there who undergo extra driver training through motorsport track days and rally/targa road driving lessons with professional drivers, advanced vehicle handling courses with professional instructors who also train police persuit drivers etc. Sure there ae many more crap drivers out there, but that is no reason why the good drivers should suffer by speed limits which cater for the lowest common denominator, rather than trying to raise everyone to their level. This is the major problem with modern society in general, not just for driving.

Like any skill it will improve with experience and exposure to it, rather than being nannyed and babysat and never having to confront their lack of skill until it is actually a life or death scenario.

Skilled drivers will teach more skilled drivers, and bad drivers will teach bad drivers,.Raise the speed limits and allow the rate of natural selection to take out the bad drivers over time and eventually you will be left with fewer and fewer bad drivers surviving because they'll kill themselves and their families off, or they will become used to and comfortable handling a vehicle at higher speeds from the increased exposure to it.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:25 am

Quoting bjcc (Reply 69):
The sad facts are though, that the average British driver has very poor driving skills. Reacts far too late to developing hazards ahead of them, and often aren't looking any further than the end of their own bonnet.
In short, ambition doesn't match reality.

May or may not be true, and while drivers in a very few other countries may be better (Germany comes to mind), there are a heck of a lot where UK drivers put them to shame. Including my own country.

I was just in the UK for 10 days and driving for part of it. Been back now for 4 days, so far no encounters with a crazy, but it will not be long! I was greeted off my flight by the biggest Random Breath Testing Fleet I have ever seen, but they seemed to have enough "clients" and did not wish to "entertain" me. And I had eschewed wine on the flight from SIN for just such an eventuality!!

Not much speeding on the F6 either, maybe the random breath test fleet had everyone else thinking (too!). And now we have run into the NSW double demerit and fines period for a long weekend. Quite a disincentive to speed. You can run out of your licence in about 300 metres!!
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:38 am

Quoting bjcc (Reply 69):
The sad facts are though, that the average British driver has very poor driving skills. Reacts far too late to developing hazards ahead of them, and often aren't looking any further than the end of their own bonnet.
In short, ambition doesn't match reality.
The evidence for that is provided by those who get caught by fixed Gatso cameras. They are now all in zones marked with signage and are in big yellow boxes. Now, if a driver can't or wont see those in plenty of time to slow down, they have no business driving at all let alone above a speed limit. Yet those very same people are the ones who claim they are perfectly safe driving at whatever speed they like.

You know my wife then !!!

Her last encounter, as with the previous one was all my fault, I wasnt in the car at the time, but it had to be my fault, as it couldnt possibly be hers. When I'm driving she constantly shouts out warnings to indicate hazards ahead etc indicating my bad driving. Seemingly if she doesnt mention the car ahead braking I'm going to run into it, yet I manage to avoid hitting things when I'm alone. Meanwhile she has a total inability to spot the big yellow boxes on the side of the road, or the big blue van parked on the verge; correct that, she can see them normally, but is distracted by "things on her mind" which appear to be down to my deficiencies.   

She then turns round and in regard to my pointless licence says "I don't know how you get away with it" To be honest I don't entirely know either, I think though my policy of keeping an eye out for Gatso cameras, people in reflective jackets and dark vans parked at the side of the road helps; plus not speeding on 30mph approaches into towns and villages.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:41 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 72):
She then turns round and in regard to my pointless licence says "I don't know how you get away with it" To be honest I don't entirely know either, I think though my policy of keeping an eye out for Gatso cameras, people in reflective jackets and dark vans parked at the side of the road helps; plus not speeding on 30mph approaches into towns and villages.

I just watch for brake lights across multiple lanes. The cars a few seconds ahead of me are a good indicator of cops - most cops are quite visible once you're right by them - so when I'm about 7 or 8 seconds behind those cars, that gives me about 3 seconds to hit the brakes  
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:02 pm

I got yelled at the other day when I pulled a driver over. he produced and insurance card from 2003. Really lit into me when I questioned him on the insurance.

So fine walk away and am not going to exercise any discretion. Return to his car with two tags. Had him one and he yells at me You cannot give me a ticket your not wearing your hat. These will be easy to beat..I look at him and say well you will really be disappointed in me for ticketing you with out a hat because here is a second one.

He tried to get out of his car and yell more. I just walked back to the cruiser and drove off.

Someone want a break from me the best way is to make me laugh or smile or be real creative. Once someone said to me she ran the stop sign because she sneezed. It worked.

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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:46 am

So my wife calls me up one day, says she got a ticket for going 87 in a 55 zone.

I asked her, "How did that happen?"

She said, "I guess I slowed down before he clocked me."

True story.

That's when I bought her this:

http://www.valentine1.com/

Miracle machine.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:05 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 75):
So my wife calls me up one day, says she got a ticket for going 87 in a 55 zone.

I asked her, "How did that happen?"

She said, "I guess I slowed down before he clocked me."

Haha your wife is awesome!
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:25 am

aerorobnz
In the UK there is only the Institute of Advanced Drivers training thats available to improve standards. But they don't teach fast driving just the principles of driving to a higher standard. The 2 things are not the same. The only people who train to drive fast are the emergency services. Track days? Behave! A race track in no way represents the conditions and variety of vehicles on a road, it's like comparing a private pilot with a airline pilot!
So the highest common denominator, is still far below the standard required. Even if the driver standard was higher again, that assumes the road and car match the drivers ambition, and mostly they don't.
I am a police trained advanced driver, so I fall into the category of those that in your words shouldn't be held back by the lowest common denominator. But I don't want to be able to drive at high speed so your theory falls on it's face.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:18 am

Quoting bjcc (Reply 69):
The sad facts are though, that the average British driver has very poor driving skills.

If that is so then you can only imagine what it is like here, I love driving in the UK, the drivers are so courteous and disciplined!

Cop stops a young guy for speeding
cop: "I've been waiting for you all day"
driver: "well I got here as fast as I could!"
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:05 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 67):
Why do you say that because of costs or that in Germany they teach driving as a skill that is taken very seriously?

Both. Driving is a birth right in the US and parents generally can't wait for their kids to drive so they can stop shuttling them back and forth between school, after-school programs, student jobs and parties. You do not mess with a birth right.

My nephew and his friends will probably have spent a little over $200.00 by the time they get their license, with driver's ed supervised by mom in the comfort of home. Try telling them it'll cost closer to €1,000.00, and will require professional driver's ed, and you'll have a fight to the death on your hands.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 73):
I just watch for brake lights across multiple lanes. The cars a few seconds ahead of me are a good indicator of cops - most cops are quite visible once you're right by them - so when I'm about 7 or 8 seconds behind those cars, that gives me about 3 seconds to hit the brakes

Best hope you are not behind a car with me driving. Provided I don't have a useless US umbrella-type handbrake, in such circumstances, I slow with the handbrake, no braking lights. Old habit from where the main risk was from a following police vehicle.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting Quokka (Thread starter):
A Tasmanian motorist caught driving 45kph over the speed limit told police he had just washed his car and wanted to dry it.

An uncle of mine actually did that when he had a Jaguar, 20 years ago. Eventually, it killed the engine :d

I don't know if he ever got stopped however, in fact it's a great mystery to me how he still has his license considering he's always speeding (currently with a Porsche Cayenne S). I think he uses his French license when in Italy, and his Italian one when in France, or something like that. BTW, speeding around here is more along the lines of 110mph than 80 !

The lamest excuse would probably be something like "I didn't see you" !

Haven't tried yet, in fact all the times I was stopped for speeding, the cops actually hadn't measured my speed as they weren't traffic cops but either riot cops or undercover anti-criminality cops, so they were angling for a reckless driving fine, but each time I only got good yells !
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting bjcc (Reply 77):
In the UK there is only the Institute of Advanced Drivers training thats available to improve standards

Well they as all driver training institutions should increase their standards to teach practical fast driving and advanced car handling skills... and they should be mandatory for all drivers as part of their training and recurrency.

Quoting bjcc (Reply 77):
I am a police trained advanced driver, so I fall into the category of those that in your words shouldn't be held back by the lowest common denominator. But I don't want to be able to drive at high speed so your theory falls on it's face.

No it doesn't, I'm sure there are many who would in exactly the same position as yourself who would. In a circumstance you require to drive at speed, you should be entitled to do so without fear of being fined for exceeding the posted limits even by a few miles per hour.

Let people make their own decisions, right or wrong and let them pay for the consequences. You might argue that is exactly the point of a fine but I'm suggesting that they should only be penalised (very harshly) if they f**k up and have an accident - potential risk is not the same as actual risk..If they have an motor vehicle accident they should be charged for any costs incurred by the state for saving them and others over and above any insurance policy, culpable manslaughter if they kill someone etc. That way only those causing the accidents will be penalised - not everyone else.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 80):
Best hope you are not behind a car with me driving. Provided I don't have a useless US umbrella-type handbrake, in such circumstances, I slow with the handbrake, no braking lights. Old habit from where the main risk was from a following police vehicle.

People around here wouldn't know to do that - at least not 7 or 8 of them all at once  
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 83):
People around here wouldn't know to do that - at least not 7 or 8 of them all at once

You might be surprised how many know to use the handbrake to avoid that tell tale sign. Thinking about it, must have been learned a while after I got a licence as the car on which I learned did not have brake lights!! So some time from 1953 when my father bought an Austin Somerset, which IIRC did have them. Rented a Ford Focus diesel in the UK week before last, and I would have thought twice about using its handbrake, it was so strong. It was best with the old rear drum brakes as, with a bit of luck, they did not even make the car pitch which is another giveaway for the alert constabulary!
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:15 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 84):
You might be surprised how many know to use the handbrake to avoid that tell tale sign.

I prefer to simply downshift ... works just as well IMHO.
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:07 am

My excuse... 'Cause I wanted to. Now spare me the lecture and write the damn ticket. You're going to anyhow.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:52 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 85):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 84):
You might be surprised how many know to use the handbrake to avoid that tell tale sign.

I prefer to simply downshift ... works just as well IMHO.

Probably, but back when I learned to use it, changing down gave a characteristic puff of oil smoke - would not want that would we?
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:50 pm

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 86):
My excuse... 'Cause I wanted to. Now spare me the lecture and write the damn ticket. You're going to anyhow.

So true LOL! Obviously I'm in a hurry so lets just get down to business and let me be on my way  
Quoting Baroque (Reply 87):
Probably, but back when I learned to use it, changing down gave a characteristic puff of oil smoke - would not want that would we?

I keep forgetting your an     
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:24 pm

Honesty seems to be the best policy. "What I don't understand is why you have your insurance and license up to date and paid but not your registration."
"Honestly, officer, I've just been lazy. The form is filled out and sitting on my desk at home, I just haven't sent it to the county office yet."
"Oh. Well, you should probably send it in so I don't have to pull you over again. Have a good day."

Texan

* The same basic thing has worked for me for speeding.

[Edited 2011-10-05 13:25:36]
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:14 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 88):
I keep forgetting your an

Yes, learning to drive on a 1935 Morris 8 gives you a different perspective on modern cars and the ways of the road.

My first brush with the constabulary was just after I got my licence (while still at school) and I tried to do a tricky R turn in Newcastle at an intersection that had police manual control - as they often did in those high and far off times. I evidently did not follow the complex hand signals from the policeman and he waved me over for a stiff talking too. When I got to him, he looked in through the window and said "Oh you". It was the clarinettist I sat next to in the Police band on Sundays. He waved me off and said not to get it wrong again! So that excuse must have been "I play the oboe".

So memo to young drivers, "take up a musical instrument that your local police band is short of!"!

The life of the Morris 8 engine between major overhauls was about 30,000 miles if you were lucky, and before then you might well need new rings if not the inevitable rebore. So oil smoke was the order of the day for most of the time. A bit like badly adjusted diesels these days. The Morris would show 60 mph plus - mostly downhill - but it was rather an uncomfortable feeling above about 50. 3 gears, no synchro on first gear and the synchro on second did not really work, so double de-clutching was an absolute must. No rev counter either! So a musical ear was a help.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:02 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 90):
No rev counter either!

I like cars that are like this, though these days modern vehicles like this are few and far between.... There is no reason a driver cannot still drive to the sound of his engine today. Driving without dials is so liberating and viceral...
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:53 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 91):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 90):
No rev counter either!

I like cars that are like this, though these days modern vehicles like this are few and far between.... There is no reason a driver cannot still drive to the sound of his engine today. Driving without dials is so liberating and visceral...

The thing that really hacks off this particular scrooge is auto chokes (and auto transmission come to that). I let the battery go flat the other night, which meant when I restored matters, the fuel consumption indication had reset. And so I made a cold start from zero. By 2 kms, I was running at 25 l/100 kms. I wonder what I could have done with a manual choke. Much, much better I suspect.
 
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:07 pm

Some states allow for the reasonable and prudent argument, even with a posted limit. California's Basic Speed Law says that, but various changes to the law have codified various speed limits, so fat chance of that working..

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
My dad got pulled over on the way to the hospital when my mom was in labor with me. Luckily it was a female cop who let him off.

Cops are generally known to be ok with that - they even give escorts.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):

Don't know about Ontario, but BC has some incredibly ridiculous low speedlimits on our highways.

Ontario's '100 km/h limit on the 400 series highways is a big fat joke. Of course, 120 km/h is the de facto speed limit.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 32):
100km/h on the 400 series divided highways is standard and 80 or 90 is standard for rural roads. There has been debate about raising them to 120 or 130 but it hasn't been done because the government feels that people will just drive 20 or 30 over that.

That is their rationale. Basically, the police are instructed not to write tickets until the person is over 120. That said, the 401 east of about Oshawa is fully of people doing 150/160.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 34):
Some portions of Interstates in Texas, well outside congested areas, have 80 MPH speed limits.

Yes, that was a really nice change. Of course, those limits should be removed altogether. The increase in the limit was actually justified also on safety concerns, to decrease the number of people falling asleep.

What Texas really needs to do is dump that night limit of 65.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 36):
Also most of the population of Canada is along the US border so its far more urban than people think.

Most of the 401 has no business being limited - certainly at 100 km/h.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 38):
What the heck you're talking about? Better condition than what? Did you ever drive on the 401 between Toronto and London? What improvements would you want on this one? It's better than most European highways with 130 km/h limit and I dare to say that it's better than many of the limitless stretches of the Autobahn.

Exactly. I've driven substantially higher than the limit with my California plates between Cambridge and Windsor, as well as between Oshawa and the Thousand Islands.

Quoting steex (Reply 51):
and notoriously, Montana set their speed limit to "Reasonable & Prudent" and instead focused on overall traffic safety.
Quoting steex (Reply 51):
However, this was eventually too hard to evaluate for the feds (and insurance companies), so the state was essentially threatened with the withholding of transportation funds if they didn't set an actual speed limit.

The reason Montana had no limit is because they rejected the 55 limit federal funds. They accepted funds more recently and were forced to set a limit.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 52):
Another time an officer pulled me over for failure to provide enough signal time. I hadn't had my blinker on long enough before changing lanes, as I was trying to catch an exit and was in the wrong lane. Informed the officer I wasn't aware that I had to let it flash for 5 full seconds and apologized. Verbal warning.

That cop was fishing for drunks.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 68):
There was a guy who got a photo radar picture in the mail, along with the ticket.

Since it was only a photo of him speeding, instead of putting an actual cheque in the return envelope, he put a picture of the cheque instead.

A couple of weeks later, he received a second letter from the photo radar enforcement branch. It contained a picture of a pair of handcuffs.

He put the real cheque into the return envelope.

Nice to see there are cops out there with a sense of humour! lol

I've heard that story before. Funny stuff.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 75):
So my wife calls me up one day, says she got a ticket for going 87 in a 55 zone.

I asked her, "How did that happen?"

She said, "I guess I slowed down before he clocked me."

Hilarious.

Reminds me of my aunt who used to have an little Volvo 240 named "Bessie." When asked how fast she drove on the freeway, she would say "80." When asked why, she said "because anything over that and Bessie starts shaking and rattling."
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RE: A Good Excuse For Speeding?

Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 93):
That is their rationale. Basically, the police are instructed not to write tickets until the person is over 120. That said, the 401 east of about Oshawa is fully of people doing 150/160.

Not even close to being true. Police enforce the speed. Individual officers decide what they think is an appropriate speed to stop some one at. I know some who start tagging people at 15 over and some wait until 30 on the 400 series highway.

There are so many tickets written in a day that supervisors do not know what tickets are written. We do not turn them into our bosses for scrutiny. They go into a bin and are sent to courts for processing.

It is called officer's discretion for a reason.

Personally mine changes with the road and traffic and location. Mostly it is 20 over for a stop on a city street(not through residential streets) and 30 over on the highway. But I have written for less depending on the circumstances.

Plus if I decide to give a ticket I do not reduce it. I have been to court for to many tickets that I have given people a break on. If they want a reduced ticket I let them go to court and ask for it. If I am giving a break I do it by not writing a tag or writing for some other administrative document issue such as failing to produce and insurance card.

Note: In Ontario if a police officer reduces a ticket on the side of the road and you chose to fight it it now in most cases reverts back to the original stop speed. There is case law supporting that now.

I usually do not give breaks to people with recent long criminal history either.

Now having said all that I do not write a lot of speeding tags.

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