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Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:55 pm

What are the most stupid aviation mistakes you have seen on TV? I know there are loads but the most recent one which was pretty terrible was someone flying from Boston to London on a DL MD-88.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:18 am

Showing different airplane on different shots of the (supposed to be) airplane.
And not just 737/767 or something that can be easily confused.
At times they would show a 747 where a 767/737/airbus is suppose to show up.
I'll look for some examples...
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:45 am

The short-lived NBC drama "Trauma" (A show about paramedics in San Francisco) once featured what had to have been one of the worst plane crash sequences I've seen. It's like they were trying to include every possible bad Hollywood plane crash cliche they could think of. From what I remember it went something like this:

A 737 flying over Northern California hits some moderately severe turbulance. This somehow causes them to lose an engine. The captain decides to divert to OAK. For some reason the oxygen masks deploy, even though they haven't lost cabin pressure. Then the captain realizes they can't make OAK (even though they still have one good engine? huh?) and they'll have to try to land at Alemeda, where they end up crash landing with a big dramatic fireball.

Seriously, all that because of some turbulance and the loss of one engine!
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:26 am

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 1):
Showing different airplane on different shots of the (supposed to be) airplane.
And not just 737/767 or something that can be easily confused.
At times they would show a 747 where a 767/737/airbus is suppose to show up.

Ahh yes I have seen so many programmes which do that. In space of 10 seconds it turns from a 747 to an a340 and then into 707. Just an example but I guess people would assume it is the same as all have 4 engines.

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 1):
I'll look for some examples...

Okie dokie, i'll be interested in what you find.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 2):
Seriously, all that because of some turbulance and the loss of one engine!

I can't believe people get paid in making crap like that, they should have researches or just pay an aviation enthusiast (one from A.net of course) to help get it right.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:31 am

Mostly, we have seen lots of Boeing 747's doors but outside the aircraft that look like either airbus, single-aisle boeing aircraft, DC10/L1011s or whatever they are.

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:33 am

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 2):
For some reason the oxygen masks deploy, even though they haven't lost cabin pressure.

Technically if you lose an engine you lose bleed air from that engine and cabin pressure goes down...
...but not fast. Only if the crew are looking at the laptop and ignored cabin altitude warning.

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 3):
I can't believe people get paid in making crap like that, they should have researches or just pay an aviation enthusiast (one from A.net of course) to help get it right.

Never let facts get in the way of a good drama!
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:34 am

How 'bout one caused by the aviation industry itself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo5dEi5gOvE
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:46 am

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 5):
If any aviation reality is applied there wouldn't be a Die Hard 2!!!

Haha yes true, and that was a great film. So was the other 3 films.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:09 am

Any local news report about an airliner incident...
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:25 am

For me I'd have to say it was 'Red Eye' with Rachel McAdams. The 'red eye' flight that was taken in the film was from Dallas to Miami (is it even possible to have a before-midnight-departure and morning-arrival on that route?), the aircraft was a 727 or 737 at the gate, an A319 on taxi and take-off, and a 767 in-flight, I don't think I've ever seen that much 'variety' in a movie. Then there was 'Sleepless in Seattle' where people are deplaning from a jetbridge that isn't connected to anything, that always made me laugh.
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:30 am

The ones I can think of are errors in a few movies that regularly show on TV. The first being "Airport 1975". The 747 is flying westbound from Dulles to Los Angeles...after departing from the east coast in the evening for a red eye flight west, the plane is seen taking off at night and flying across country...with the sun rising as they approach Salt Lake City. Impossible.

The next one is also a movie..Disney's "The Last Flight of Noah's Ark". Elliot Gould single handedly flies a B-29 Superfortress loaded with farm animals across the Pacific....without the aid of a co-pilot, navigator, and flight engineer. Again, the plane takes off in daylight from Nevada, flies west over the ocean into the night when a few hours later when the plane is lost and running out of fuel, it is again daylight. Either a very fast B-29, or a very slow Earth!
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 5):
Technically if you lose an engine you lose bleed air from that engine and cabin pressure goes down...

The air from the other engine (or engines) is enough to keep the cabin pressurized.

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:55 pm

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 6):
How 'bout one caused by the aviation industry itself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo5dE...5gOvE

Not only does the video show the bags being dropped on the apron but the spelled "background" wrong (bacground) in the introduction.
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:37 pm

Catch Me If You Can when Frank tells Carl that they're flying over LGA's runway 44  

Not really a mistake per se, but more of a pet peeve. In The Terminal, the airport is supposed to be a New York airport and there is a TS L1011 in the background ... just kind of irks me seeing a plane/airline that you'll pretty well never see at a particular airport in real life.

Another good one is Die Hard 2 when the Windsor Air DC8 is "drier than a martini" in regards to fuel, then crashes into a ball of flames that has still yet to be topped with movie explosions  Silly

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:42 pm

If I remember rightly Home Alone (1?) the aircraft changed multiple times during the course of the 'flight' to Paris. The only thing they had in common were that they were all AA aircraft.
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:49 pm

On local news about a FA who helped an AA pilot land because the FO got sick they said. "she helped in the cockpit of a 767 aircraft like this one" while they had a video of a MD-80.

There was this one very low budget movie I saw on TV years ago. Something Moon might be the title not sure. Anyway it was a widebody plane in the cabin, the cockpit I had no idea but I remember for landing the flight attendant now pilot put the throttles foward to slow down? Also when the movie was done the last scene was a 737-200 with one fire truck and an air stairs at some very small terminal. I am pretty sure it was a Canadian movie.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:55 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
767 aircraft like this one" while they had a video of a MD-80.

Ahh this makes me cringe lol.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:37 pm

Interesting to reflect on real life aviation events that would have us all rolling eyes if they had appeared on TV:

A 747 flies into a volcanic ash cloud, with red sparks coming out of the engines, the all engines die, and our heroic captain manages to relight the engines just in time at a lower altitude - c'mom, who thinks of these things?

A 737 is flying over Hawaii, and the whole top of the fuselage is peeled off like a sardine can. And yet the plane manages to land safely! Only in TV land!

A 777 lands at LHR after an ultra long flight, and at the last minute, the engines lose power. Unbelievable enough, but the crew still lands the plane safely and walks away unhurt. Those wacky TV scriptwriters!
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:06 pm

Not really a mistake, but I'm sure it's more than welcome in this thread
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:10 pm

The movie 'Flight Plan' was a mistake. same for 'Soul Plane'.
The FAA should have stepped in a halted production because they were so bad and embarrassment to aviation.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
same for 'Soul Plane'.

Say what you like about 'Soul Plane', but I will admit that the presentation of the cockpit displays was remarkably accurate (unlike everything else in the movie - go figure).

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:38 pm

When the Aviation reporter reports that the Pilot averted a disaster by using the "Emergency brakes".......wonder where these are located  
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:47 pm

Most ridiculous airplane movie.... How about "Snakes on a Plane".

Or how about Kurt Russel in "Executive Decision" where the commandos crawl around in the "attic" above the passenger cabin. Anybody know an aircaft design with that much space overhead? LOL!!!!
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:08 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
When the Aviation reporter reports that the Pilot averted a disaster by using the "Emergency brakes".......wonder where these are located

In a Citation, they're on a small red handle under the instrument panel. Pull gently.  

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:19 pm

I am still wondering where that door is that allowed "Passenger 57" to leave the cabin by way of the main gear wheel well?
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:42 am

There has been a couple threads about this one. The Nissan commercial where the nosegear lands in the bed of a pickup truck.
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:59 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 22):

Kurt Russel should know better being a pilot and all...

My contribution:
The movie Goodfellas shows a KLM 747 flying in 1963
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:08 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Catch Me If You Can when Frank tells Carl that they're flying over LGA's runway 44

I thought that was an intentional plot point of the movie to drive home that Frank isn't really a pilot and slips up even after being caught. He doesn't actually know that there is no such thing as a runway 44.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 27):
I thought that was an intentional plot point of the movie to drive home that Frank isn't really a pilot and slips up even after being caught. He doesn't actually know that there is no such thing as a runway 44.

Decent point. Only us on Anet would know this is a mistake. But given all the flying he did he probably knew he stuff very well.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:07 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 27):
I thought that was an intentional plot point of the movie to drive home that Frank isn't really a pilot and slips up even after being caught. He doesn't actually know that there is no such thing as a runway 44.

I was going to write that in my original post, it is something that has crossed my mind many times but still the movie has other aviation related goofs as well so if it was intentional ... we may never know  
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:34 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 22):
Or how about Kurt Russel in "Executive Decision" where the commandos crawl around in the "attic" above the passenger cabin. Anybody know an aircaft design with that much space overhead? LOL!!!!

Or how about the F-117 that gets Kurt Russel and crew to the 747. Or the type of airplane used in the hijacking is a Boeing 747-200. The digital cockpit shots and absence of a Flight Engineer would make it a 747-400.
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:45 am

I'm really bothered with the sensationalized crash of Patsy Cline in the movie Sweet Dreams. The real crash occurred on flat terrain and not in the mountains. Also was the real flight performed by a PA-24 and not by this C172 kind of plane.

What bothers me the most is the extreme double explosion. Watch the crash starting at 2:40.

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Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:52 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
Not really a mistake, but I'm sure it's more than welcome in this thread

I like saw even with Mega shark, the 747 somehow turns into a 767 when it's in the water.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
I am still wondering where that door is that allowed "Passenger 57" to leave the cabin by way of the main gear wheel well?

There is access from the cabin into the bay below in the front of the cabin, and you can get access to the gear there I believe
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:51 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
In a Citation, they're on a small red handle under the instrument panel. Pull gently.

Possible on some types...But def not on a A320/B737/B747.....Thats reported on  
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 34):
Possible on some types...But def not on a A320/B737/B747.....Thats reported on

Well, there are alternate brake systems on those types. Is using a backup system to power the brakes considered "emergency brakes"? I guess not from a technical standpoint, but I can think of far more egregious errors to make in reporting than that.

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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:58 pm

Just last night:
The Nanny: Fran and Maxwell flew to LA from NYC. On their westbound flight they flew in a 747-100 (the stock footage was actually the original 747). Their return flight was the original 737.

The Golden Girls:
Aside from making MIA look like a dentist's waiting room...
Champagne being served on a flight to the Bahamas, which I saw just this morning.
An untitled DC-8, though with United Colors landing in an airport that was supposed to be LAX. However, this might be plausible as that episode aired in 1988. -- Episode was Grab that Dough
Portraying a 747 in Cathay Pacific tail colors flying from Miami to Europe. -- the episode where Sofia returns to Sicily to apologize for leaving her fiance at the altar.
...perhaps I've seen too many episodes of The Golden Girls.

Designing Women:
An episode showed Suzanne and Julia landing at Tokyo International Airport, aka Haneda, off a flight from Atlanta. Given that DW was cancelled in 1993...we all know that's not possible.

Reba:
The entire family allowed behind security to make sure Van and Cheyenne solve a serious problem. The series premiered in October 2001. This episode aired 12 November 2004. Obviously we all know that wouldn't "fly" post 9/11.

Dexter:
When Lyla was deported from the United States (Season 2), the gate announcement called for passengers to Paris. The aircraft at the gate was a Maddog.
 
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:05 pm

Quoting U2380 (Reply 14):
If I remember rightly Home Alone (1?) the aircraft changed multiple times during the course of the 'flight' to Paris. The only thing they had in common were that they were all AA aircraft.

If my memory servers me correctly, upon takeoff the aircraft shown was a 757. The aircraft shown upon landing in Paris was a DC-10-10, which were mostly domestic aircraft, and would probably come up a bit short on range on a route such as ORD-ORY. I also recall reading in one thread on this site that the First Class cabin configuration shown in the movie was that found on the 747sp.

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Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:11 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
The air from the other engine (or engines) is enough to keep the cabin pressurized.

Maybe on some types. On CRJs single pack is limited to FL250. I know on a good day a 767 can at most do FL310 with one out.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
I am still wondering where that door is that allowed "Passenger 57" to leave the cabin by way of the main gear wheel well?

On 747s there is a small floor panel forward of L1 door. Remove the panel will give you access to the forward avionics bay, big enough for 1 adult. On the bottom of the bay is a plug-type hatch. It opens inward to just behind the nost gear. You can get out that way but nose gear is 6-7 feet high and on a slippery day it's easy to slip and fall. There's also a ladder attached to the hatch.
I was told once the cabin is pressurized it's impossible to open. Just like any plug-type doors.
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:19 pm

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 38):
Maybe on some types. On CRJs single pack is limited to FL250. I know on a good day a 767 can at most do FL310 with one out.

But then we're getting into performance limitations as well - if you lose an engine, you're going to have to descend anyway. No need to make one engine capable of holding cabin pressure at FL390 if you can't maintain that altitude on one engine.

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Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:45 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
I am still wondering where that door is that allowed "Passenger 57" to leave the cabin by way of the main gear wheel well?

That movie still has one of my all time favourite lines ... when the L1011 is on approach over the carnival and the Sherriff looks up and says "That's the biggest damn Cessna I ever seen"  
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 33):
There is access from the cabin into the bay below in the front of the cabin, and you can get access to the gear there I believe

There is a hatch in the flight station floor that leads to the forward electronics bay but no access to the the nose or main wheel wells from inside aircraft.

If you read about EA 401 they mention that the FE had entered the bay and was looking through the sight tube, trying to determine if the nose gear was down and locked.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:03 pm

In the first ever episode of The West Wing, an F/A tells Toby Ziegler to turn off his cell phone; radio interference and all that. Insisting that his three-penny Radio Shack cell phone can't possibly possess the technical oomph to disturb the navigation systems of a modern jetliner, he says a line about "we're on board an L1011 that just rolled off the line 10 months ago" or something like that.

(The show took place in the late 90's....    )
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:22 pm

In the movie View from the Top, there are a couple of instances where mistakes are made. For instance, when the main character gets her chance to serve "Paris, first class, international", she is seen departing on an A320. Now, normally I would say "well, you know what? We have an A318 serving LCY-JFK, so maybe they milked it a bit..." except the airplane was a wide-body (two aisles).

The other mistake is that when they show silhouettes of airplanes landing, they confuse two types. First it's an LH A300 seen from the underside (approaching the airport), while during the landing sequence it's either a 767 or a 777 (going with the former).
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RE: Worst Aviation Mistakes You Have Seen On TV?

Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:27 pm

How about the ultra low budged movie "Air Marshal" Forget the fact they use every cliché you can think of, they were able to take a CRJ and give it the interior of a 747 with two floors and a massive cargo hold! And then there were the graphics which must have come from Microsoft's oldest version of Flight Simulator.

That movie was so bad it was actually fun to watch!!
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:48 pm

Quoting gyreaux130J (Reply 26):
My contribution:
The movie Goodfellas shows a KLM 747 flying in 1963


Just after that the two main characters are seen sitting on a 1965 Chevrolet, also in 1963.

There is an episode of the A-Team where they foil a hijack attempt. All of the ground shots are a TWA L1011 and all of the Air shots are a TWA 747.
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:34 pm

Yesterday I was watching the The Wedding Singer, and the scene where they flying to Vegas, the inside of the a/c was a 747 with tacky Vegas Air trimming, but the out side was a 757.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:00 pm

Quoting bluewhale18210 (Reply 38):
If my memory servers me correctly, upon takeoff the aircraft shown was a 757. The aircraft shown upon landing in Paris was a DC-10-10, which were mostly domestic aircraft, and would probably come up a bit short on range on a route such as ORD-ORY. I also recall reading in one thread on this site that the First Class cabin configuration shown in the movie was that found on the 747sp.

I believe they show a DC-10 leaving ORD and landing in ORY. Later in the movie the mom flies back home to get to her son but she has to fly indirectly to get there and they show a 757 and an MD-80.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:27 pm

On the new show Pan Am it looked like when they were in Berlin they taxied past a QR Airbus! Of course QR did not exist then.
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:22 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Catch Me If You Can when Frank tells Carl that they're flying over LGA's runway 44

Some exterior terminal shots show TWA planes in the 1974 red tail/twin stripes scheme; the film takes place during the 60s.
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