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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:43 am

I have one, Bachelor of Legal Studies, and by this time next year I should have a Bachelor of Laws degree to go with that as well (and will be working towards a Graduate Diploma of Legal Practice). I'm aiming to practice in Intellectual Property law, because that's an area of law that I feel very passionate about.

I'm still considering the possibilty of doing an Honours thesis after my degree, but I have a feeling that it's going to be unnecessary if I'm only using my degree to get into practice. If I get bored of practising law, I'll probably do my Honours or Masters then, and head into academia  

I've always wanted to be a lawyer, but getting into the legal industry here in Perth is extremely difficult, especially for a specialised field such as Intellectual Property. If I can't get into practice, though, I've considered academia as a 'fall-back' position. But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:06 pm

Got my BEng in Business Logistics (not much engineering in there though...) with a minor in Aviation Management, working on my MSc in Air Transport Management in Cranfield as we speak!
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 91):
I'd be interested in your take. You teach VoTech, I think we put way to much emphasis now on a college degree. Someone can make just as much or more in the trades right now. I know people with masters degrees in environmental fields making half of what welders, fabricators, and crane operators make now. If you're skilled and know how to make new tools for an assembly line, you'll always have a job in my opinion.



I always tell my students that they will have to continue their education after high school because I only have the time to teach them some what they will need to know to become a successful automotive technician. Some of my students go to tech schools, some go to community colleges and others go to Universities. When the war in Iraq was at it peak I had a lot of students joining the Army and Marines. All of those can give a student a great deal of skills that they can use in the workplace. I have former students who are very successful mechanics in dealerships, independent garages and a few who own their own shops. Most of them are doing better, as far as money goes, than the students I have known who went for a liberal arts degree. I find it odd that my former students who went to community college and studied auto tech or welding are working in their fields, making a good living, while many who got a liberal arts degree at some big name schools are working for peanuts in fields unrelated to their degree.

I have many students who want to go to a traditional university (or their parents want them too) and they have no idea that there are universities with a lot of technical degree programs. At CMSU and at SIU I ran into fellow students all the time that had no idea we offered degrees in Automotive Technology and other "trade jobs". Many of us also worked in the field while we were students too. I remember a girl in my dorm at CMSU was a theater major, but never wanted to leave the area. She would say to me all the time that Auto Tech was easy and I needed to expand my mind. A university education should be about arts, literature, sociology, etc. I would tell her it was about getting a job. In 2002 I was in Warrensburg and stopped in Walmart to buy some blank VHS tapes (when was the last time you did that?) and she was the cashier. She had graduated and was working as a cashier and I had two years of teaching auto shop under my belt! Being a theater major and staying in mid Missouri isn't the kind of degree that is going to take you places.

I always tell my students that if you know how to fix stuff and build things you will stay employed.

Auto Tech was a great degree to get. We had fun all the time. The amount of homework was small, but the amount of hours spent in the shop working on cars with the teachers was long. Everybody was a gear head, including the teachers. I think we were the tightest program on campus because everybody had the same hobby.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 91):
We'd camp out east of the airport in a field then eat breakfast and dinner at the dorm cafeterias



Very cool.

A lot of CMSU Auto and Aviation guys knew each other because many of our classes were in the same building. There was also a lot of cross interest there. A lot of car guys like airplanes and a lot of airplane guys like cars.

I remember one year the Auto Tech and Aviation department had their floats back to back in the homecoming parade. The aviation guys got in trouble for being drunk and throwing beer cans at us. What a hoot. We were drunk too, but just didn't get caught.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:18 am

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 84):
3. Master's in Criminal Justice


From the advice people in Law Enforcement have given me, dont waste your time and money with a CJ degree or masters in it.

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 84):
1. Earn my BS in Computer Science
2. Minor in Political Science and Criminology
3. Master's in Criminal Justice and Computer Science


The rest sounds great. Maybe instead of the CJ stuff focus on a language, cyber security etc.. Every time someone mentions a CJ people say the same thing: Everything you need to know about Criminal Justice will be taught in the academy.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:26 am

BS in Business Communications.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:40 am

I'll be earning my BA in Political Science (with a minor in Chinese Studies and possibly another minor in Hispanic Studies) in about 2.5 years. It was supposed to be 1.5, but because I'm currently in Poland I'm taking a year off from normal studies back home.

I intend to earn a master's degree though after I graduate: most probably it will be in International Relations. Plus I intend to earn language proficiency certificates to boost my qualifications into entering the Foreign Service. 
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:42 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 37):

No. Don't have one, don't need one for my job 

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Myself also. Left school at 18 and went straight into flight training and then the airlines. A degree is pretty much useless at the pointy end of a 777.
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:10 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 106):
Myself also. Left school at 18 and went straight into flight training and then the airlines. A degree is pretty much useless at the pointy end of a 777.

You are lucky. A college degree is required for US airlines...
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:53 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 106):
Myself also. Left school at 18 and went straight into flight training and then the airlines. A degree is pretty much useless at the pointy end of a 777.

Yea, shows how different it is here in the states. Most airlines give huge preference to pilots with four year degrees. I think some require it. I know AB Intio training is very difficult, and license standards and test are also very hard. But, I like the idea of commercial pilots having degrees. But of course it is just a much different process between the US and much of the world.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:59 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Steve Jobs did not have a college degree and became wildly successful.

I suppose 90% of the Americans are degree holders right?

Plenty of super rich/successful without degrees though
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:21 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 103):
The rest sounds great. Maybe instead of the CJ stuff focus on a language, cyber security etc.. Every time someone mentions a CJ people say the same thing: Everything you need to know about Criminal Justice will be taught in the academy.

Well both of my parents were federal agents (my dad eventually became Exec Director of Ops at ICE), and I already speak Portuguese fluently. However, I want to make it look like I have some kind of experience in the CJ field before applying to a position.
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:36 pm

I am going to be the one who stirs the pot and disrupts this thread, but I guess many people would not really know how to respond to this thread. Not all countries follow the professional educational system where college follows high school and then a graduate program may come after college. Many countries have a system where you enroll in a university program for a degree such as medicine, law, engineering, mathematics, etc. right after finishing high school. These are not 4-year programs where you do a major and a minor, or two majors, but a 5 or more years program during which you do a specialized degree and eventually receive a diploma and a license to practice in your field of study, such as attorney-at-law, engineer, etc. Of course you can still do a masters degree afterwards and even a doctoral degree if you want that, but this 5 or more years program is not college.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:57 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 108):
Yea, shows how different it is here in the states. Most airlines give huge preference to pilots with four year degrees. I think some require it.

They may now, but that hasn't always been the case. When airlines needed pilots in the past, they looked at PIC, TT and turbine hours.

Quoting flymia (Reply 108):
I know AB Intio training is very difficult, and license standards and test are also very hard. But, I like the idea of commercial pilots having degrees.

To me I don't care if the guy up front has a 4 year degree. There are far too many 4 year degrees that you can get without a whole lot of effort. I got a degree in Forestry when I was working at the airport, that was through the College of Agriculture. A student getting a BA in general agriculture takes math classes you can take in high school. Same with Hotel/Restaurant Management.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 109):

I suppose 90% of the Americans are degree holders right?

Plenty of super rich/successful without degrees though

Based on the 2010 census 28% of Americans have college degrees. Back in 1940 that number was 5%.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 111):
I am going to be the one who stirs the pot and disrupts this thread, but I guess many people would not really know how to respond to this thread. Not all countries follow the professional educational system where college follows high school and then a graduate program may come after college. Many countries have a system where you enroll in a university program for a degree such as medicine, law, engineering, mathematics, etc. right after finishing high school. These are not 4-year programs where you do a major and a minor, or two majors, but a 5 or more years program during which you do a specialized degree and eventually receive a diploma and a license to practice in your field of study, such as attorney-at-law, engineer, etc.

I don't think you're stirring the pot, just making the observation that perhaps other countries place less emphasis on diversifying the college experience. Where I went to university I had to take a number of classes that other countries wouldn't have required me to take just so I was a "well rounded college student". So, to get my Forestry degree I had to take a pre-1940's film class. When I had Netflix I had a pretty cool Instant Queue because of that class. Take those classes out of my degree program and I'd probably have graduated in 2 1/2 years. But, I won't know squat about old movies.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 102):

Auto Tech was a great degree to get.

I know I'm taking a bunch out of your post, but two of my best friends got a 2 year degree in Auto-tech. Both are making probably around double what I do, both are extremely smart, and successful. Probably why I don't care if the pilot flying my plane has a 4 year engineering degree or the guy building it doesn't have one either.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:55 pm

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 110):
Well both of my parents were federal agents (my dad eventually became Exec Director of Ops at ICE), and I already speak Portuguese fluently. However, I want to make it look like I have some kind of experience in the CJ field before applying to a position.


Well I would of course take your parents advice. But I feel that internships at fed agencies would take care of that. I just feel that the field is so competitive that making your self stand out is the best thing to do. I am sure your parents have great advice on this of course.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 112):
They may now, but that hasn't always been the case. When airlines needed pilots in the past, they looked at PIC, TT and turbine hours.


Yea of course, and that is still the main thing they look at. There are just so many pilots out there that a 4 year degree might put one of the two guys ahead, who both have 5,000 Turbine hours.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:18 am

I'm sporting a BS and MS in civil engineering, with the standard minor in math/statistics and an additional one in geography (for GIS). For my undergraduate studies, I took a full course load of both structural design and transportation courses, then focused specifically on transportation during grad school (including airport design   ).
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:25 am

Quoting steex (Reply 114):
I'm sporting a BS and MS in civil engineering, with the standard minor in math/statistics and an additional one in geography (for GIS). For my undergraduate studies, I took a full course load of both structural design and transportation courses, then focused specifically on transportation during grad school (including airport design ).

Man, do I wish calculus was a strength of mine. I should've gone for civil engineering as I look back in hindsight, but yeah... Calculus was my kryptonite...
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 115):
Man, do I wish calculus was a strength of mine. I should've gone for civil engineering as I look back in hindsight, but yeah... Calculus was my kryptonite...

The shame of it is there is a lot of stuff in the engineering field that ends up requiring little or no calculus to actually do in practice, it's just needed for understanding the mathematical theory. I think someone with good practical understanding of a given specialty is often better than someone who understands all the math but can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:40 am

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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:23 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 83):
Interesting. Like what to plant on reclaimed superfund sites? So if you plant something like Juncus effusus on a remediation site you know what compounds the plant will uptake and potentially end up putting in the food chain?

That's the general idea. We would also know whether that's going to cause issues in the food chain and at what point you would need to harvest and dispose of the plant (if you would need to do that at all). Another example would be the release of compound x in to a river. We would study, or determine based on previous studies, what effects compound x would have on the ecosystem. Would it be immediately toxic to fish? Is there a long term exposure hazard? Are there risks to humans who then eat said exposed fish? Will compound x degrade over time or persist?

That said the focus of environmental toxicology has shifted in the last few years from acute effects (immediate) to long term exposure effects. Environmental regulations have essentially ended acute exposures (with the exception of occasional accidents) and what we see now are low level exposures over the life of the organism. One that I'm particularly interested in lately is 17alpha-ethynylestradiol - or birth control. Our wastewater treatment plants are marginally effective at removing this compound and a good portion ends up in the receiving stream. Studies have shown that fish in those streams have more trouble reproducing because the males are constantly exposed to low levels of synthetic estrogens.

All of that to say that environmental toxicology has a wide range of applications (terrestrial and aquatic).
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:54 am

B.S. in Professional Aeronautics at ERAU Minor in Management. I am just finishing 20 years as a Aviation Mechanic/Supervisor in the Navy so the practical experience is there.

Since were on the topic of College and related fields I have a question.....

I am beginning my transition for a new career which I plan to work in the Aviation Industry. I have worked with some various programs like Lean Six Sigma, Logistics, Aviation Maintenance, Aircraft Painter, Use of various Ground Support Equipment and tools, Program Management in Aviation Mechanics, Airport Operations/Management, and Recruitment.

My plan is to find something as a Civil Service employee with the Federal Government, Defense Contractor, and I've been thinking about Airport Management at SAN as well. The companies aren't contacting me just yet as It's still early to apply. I suspect that they are waiting til I am pretty much on Terminal Leave from the military and separating around Jan/Feb.

I'm pretty much open minded to do something different in Aviation and would be interetsed to hear from the Aviation Professionals, and anyone in the industry for any suggestions.

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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 112):
Based on the 2010 census 28% of Americans have college degrees. Back in 1940 that number was 5%.

REALLY?

What about youngsters?
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 120):
REALLY?

What about youngsters?

The number is increasing, but it's not as high as you'd think. I forget the exact number, but I know the 1st year fail out rate is about 33% and I think around 50% who start college get their degree within 6 years. A lot of kids aren't suited for college and just play Call of Duty all day and fail out, blaming their high school system (seen it MANY times, I used to work with incoming freshmen)
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:11 am

Quoting steex (Reply 116):
The shame of it is there is a lot of stuff in the engineering field that ends up requiring little or no calculus to actually do in practice, it's just needed for understanding the mathematical theory. I think someone with good practical understanding of a given specialty is often better than someone who understands all the math but can't see the forest for the trees.

Yup, those are my sentiments as well, but I do appreciate your opinion about those with practical understanding of a specific field versus those with more of a math background.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 121):
The number is increasing, but it's not as high as you'd think. I forget the exact number, but I know the 1st year fail out rate is about 33% and I think around 50% who start college get their degree within 6 years. A lot of kids aren't suited for college and just play Call of Duty all day and fail out, blaming their high school system (seen it MANY times, I used to work with incoming freshmen)

Well... I guess I can consider my graduating from college in 4 years a success in and of itself. Altho, I didn't graduate with very good standing -- a 2.67 GPA, ouch...
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:18 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 121):
The number is increasing, but it's not as high as you'd think. I forget the exact number, but I know the 1st year fail out rate is about 33% and I think around 50% who start college get their degree within 6 years. A lot of kids aren't suited for college and just play Call of Duty all day and fail out, blaming their high school system (seen it MANY times, I used to work with incoming freshmen)

So there are more non-University graduates than University graduates even for youngsters in the US?

WOW.

I am sure numbers in Hong Kong, Singapore etc are even lower.
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:27 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 123):
So there are more non-University graduates than University graduates even for youngsters in the US?

Never said that. I don't know the rates, and the numbers I posted are only based on my memory. Google it, I'm not sure
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:02 am

I believe there are more non-Uni graduates than Uni graduates around the globe. Not sure about the US as it seems to me that everyone=highly educated in the US

The dropout rate is very high indeed!
 
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:14 am

I have a B.Sc. (Hons.) in Air Transport Management. And I have taken ATC courses at the Academy, but I guess the latter does not count as a degree  
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:32 am

Well my pilot school had 'college' in its name. So do I have a degree in ATPL theory? 
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:49 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 111):
Many countries have a system where you enroll in a university program for a degree such as medicine, law, engineering, mathematics, etc. right after finishing high school. These are not 4-year programs where you do a major and a minor, or two majors, but a 5 or more years program during which you do a specialized degree and eventually receive a diploma and a license to practice in your field of study, such as attorney-at-law, engineer, etc

That's exactly my case. I took a 5 year engineering program and finished as an electrical engineer. In the old country I'm Ing. WildcatYXU. Here in Canada it's loosely compared to MScEE and I'm PEO eligible.
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RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:29 pm

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