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Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:34 pm

Hey guys. Hope everybody had a good holiday and a happy new year.

Ive been really busy with work for the last several months & also moved into a new apartment near LGB.

Here some photos taken within the last several months. Ive upgraded to a new lense on my Sony NEX-3 and love it so far. Some of these photos are also on my facebook wall.


2011 Setra S417-TC. This was my assigned coach for the last 5 days. I transported a busload of Rose Parade visitors to various locations in Southern California. Taken at the Ronald Reagan Library ( Simi Valley, Ca )

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/005.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/017.jpg

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Drivers Cockpit is very comfortable. This is a very smooth bus to drive - German engineering !!!!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/004.jpg


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/012.jpg


Taken from LAX-Imperial Hill ...
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http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/122.jpg


Access to LAX-Imperial Hill provided by Beach Cities Transit Bus 109.
Brand new 2011 El Dorado National EZ Rider BRT
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/038.jpg


1999 NFI C40HF - MTA 5206 on Line 344 at Rancho Palos Verdes, Ca
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/137.jpg

The newly remodeled "Long Beach Transit Gallery"
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2002 NFI D40LF at Long Beach Transit Gallery
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Taken from Lookout point - San Pedro, Ca ... overlooking the Port of LA and South OC Beach Cities with the Cleveland Natl Forest - Santa Ana Mountains in the back.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/142.jpg


BNSF 7764 resting
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/196.jpg

Thats it for now. Feel free to post of add more to this selection.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:33 pm

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:21 pm

Do Disney monorails qualify for this thread?  

One of my favorite things to photograph is the monorail at both Disneyland and Walt Disney World.

Walt Disney World Mark VI monorail.

Monorail Red by Silver1SWA (Ryan Pastorino), on Flickr

Disneyland's Mark VII monorail

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 2):
Disneyland's Mark VII monorail

Great picture! It sort of gives a futuristic feel, imagine somewhere like London or New York having this in 2030 replacing the Underground and Subway etc.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 3):
Great picture! It sort of gives a futuristic feel, imagine somewhere like London or New York having this in 2030 replacing the Underground and Subway etc.

Thank you. It's a bummer monorails haven't caught on in major cities around the world. I guess the economics just don't work out well. And the cities that do have them, I wish they made them as aesthetically appealing as the Disney monorials. Most monorails look quite ugly, in my opinion.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:30 pm

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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:09 am

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
2011 Setra S417-TC.

Nice bus - loving the interior!!

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 2):
Disneyland's Mark VII monorail

Very futurama  
Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
BNSF 7764 resting

Nice, I love the Dash-9 locomotives
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
Thank you. It's a bummer monorails haven't caught on in major cities around the world. I guess the economics just don't work out well. And the cities that do have them, I wish they made them as aesthetically appealing as the Disney monorials. Most monorails look quite ugly, in my opinion.

Yeah I know, wouldn't it be so much better travelling by a monorail. Which cities have monorails? Well anyway hopefully in the future they will catch on, and well because its the future im sure they'll look futuristic (well better than the current ugly ones). 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:31 am

It is good to see your one of post. I was looking forward to it, and this was another good one.

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
2011 Setra S417-TC. This was my assigned coach for the last 5 days. I transported a busload of Rose Parade visitors to various locations in Southern California. Taken at the Ronald Reagan Library ( Simi Valley, Ca )




Do you like driving the S417-TC? I remember you saying you really like driving Van Hools, so do not think Setra are better, worst or the same as Van Hool?

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
Taken from LAX-Imperial Hill ...





One of my favorite places to go, when I visit my parents in Inglewood.

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
1999 NFI C40HF - MTA 5206 on Line 344 at Rancho Palos Verdes, Ca





I believe these are due for retirement. They used to be use on the 115 line, but last week when I was in LA, I saw that LACMTA, has decided put mostly Nabai Metro-45C on the 115. I love the Metro-45C looks, so I not that sad to C40HF go, but I will miss the sound of the Neoplan AN 440s when they are gone.

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
Taken from Lookout point - San Pedro, Ca ... overlooking the Port of LA and South OC Beach Cities with the Cleveland Natl Forest - Santa Ana Mountains in the back.





I love this view of Los Angeles Harbor.

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
BNSF 7764 resting





There is a rail road track near my parents house, that BNSF use to run stack trains from East LA to Long Beach or LA Harbor. But thank to the Alameda corridor opening in the mid 2000's, this stretch of rail road is not really use any more, even though I heard there's plans to use the track for a light rail train, as a matter of fact, I believe Inglewood plans to work with this light rail. Last week when I was in LA, I visit the track, and I started to miss the days, when giant BNSF stack train would go though these tight spaces in Inglewood, Torrence and parts of LA.''''
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

Interesting thanks. As I was saying above it would be nice too see more cities have monorails, much more interesting than normal trains.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:07 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

Sydney's got one too, as does Tokyo - it goes to Haneda airport.

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 2):
Do Disney monorails qualify for this thread?

Absolutely ... and they are very wonderful photos. Thank you v much for sharing

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
Nice bus - loving the interior!!

German engineering at it's best...I get to drive the same bus later on today  
Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

Sydney's got one too, as does Tokyo - it goes to Haneda airport.

Vancouver's SkyTrain
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 9):
Do you like driving the S417-TC? I remember you saying you really like driving Van Hools, so do not think Setra are better, worst or the same as Van Hool?

Now that Ive driven the Setra S417-TC ... im like a spoiled little kid. As far as the VanHools go, I really like the C2045 and the way the newer version looks cosmetically. The MCI D series will always be a favorite because of its solidness.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 9):
One of my favorite places to go, when I visit my parents in Inglewood.

Me too. I had to go up there again this evening  
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 9):
I believe these are due for retirement. They used to be use on the 115 line, but last week when I was in LA, I saw that LACMTA, has decided put mostly Nabai Metro-45C on the 115. I love the Metro-45C looks, so I not that sad to C40HF go, but I will miss the sound of the Neoplan AN 440s when they are gone.

Its sad that the 4700/6300 series Neoplans are gone. There are a handful left in service. Some of them can be found in Northeast LA and in the Glendale area. You might get lucky and find one on in Central/West LA.

The last of the 45ft NABIs are in. 8492 is officially the last one. MTA is about to place a mega 700 bus order for 40ft CNG buses. These will eventually replace the 6700 series Neoplans, all NewFlyer CNGs, and the first batch of the CNG NABIs. Manufacturer of choice will most likely be Orion, NewFlyer, or both...but it will definitely not be NABI again.
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:34 am

Besides aviation, my first love I get a kick and enjoy looking at web sites featuring vintage busses and subways. I don't have the link offhand but there is an outstanding site pertaining to NYC subway cars from the beginning onward. Some of those ancient old time cars with the rusted ceiling fans and naked incandescant light bulbs are a hoot.

And the Old Look vs. New Look or "Fishbowl" GM and Flexible Transit busses. And the vintage 1950's coach busses used by Trailways and the hound. There's even a great site dealing with Baltimore's transit bus history.

I also really enjoy sites dedicated to Interstate highways.

A couple of true and false questions:

1. Ralph Kramden drove an "Old Look Bus" on the Honeymooners

2. A "Buffalo" or "Bread Loaf" were nicknames for GM New Look transit busses

3. "Red Birds" were a series of NYC Subway cars during the 60's through 80's

4. An "Articulated" Bus is one with an automated voice system.
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

Seattle has one, running just over a mile from Westlake Center to Seattle Center.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 12):
Vancouver's SkyTrain

Not a monorail - it's a standard gauge steel-rail system that happens to be (mostly) elevated. It does look nice, though.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
3. "Red Birds" were a series of NYC Subway cars during the 60's through 80's

False - they lasted longer than that (and are still in use as work trains, actually)  

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Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:08 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
False - they lasted longer than that (and are still in use as work trains, actually)  

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Mir: I thought they were recently retired and many of them are now manmade barrier reefs out in the Atlantic off the Delmarva coast.
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:28 am

I know Daimler owns Setra, but do they really put Mercedes stars on them in the US or is that an aftermarket mod?
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
Sydney's got one too,

It does but a rather limited tourist oriented line.

One of the gotchyas with monorails is they don't scale well, switching issues cause problems that limit the size of a system.

If I get the chance I will shoot some Sydney monorail pics for this thread.

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Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

If you are referring to the Dubai Metro - it is in fact an elevated railway, not a monorail.


Kuala Lumpur has a monorail that goes between KL Sentral and Titiwangsa. It is a horrible thing, and the sooner it is replaced with something bigger and more accessible the better...although it does give some great views of KL.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):
Mir: I thought they were recently retired and many of them are now manmade barrier reefs out in the Atlantic off the Delmarva coast.

The last of them disappeared from revenue service around the mid-2000s. I don't know what happened to them after that, but I do see some of them used as work trains from time to time.

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Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

Chongqing in Inland China has the largest monorail system in the world. I think Moscow has a monorail too.
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 18):
I know Daimler owns Setra, but do they really put Mercedes stars on them in the US or is that an aftermarket mod?

The newer Setras do have Mercedes Benz engines and various plaques that says " Powered by Mercedes Benz". Thats probably why you see the diamond plaque. I noticed the older Setras with the Detroit Series 60 doesnt have the Mercedes plaque.
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:46 pm

Great photos in this thread.

Quoting glid4500 (Thread starter):
Access to LAX-Imperial Hill provided by Beach Cities Transit Bus 109.
Brand new 2011 El Dorado National EZ Rider BRT

I really think the "BRT" term is so overused to the point of being meaningless. If El Dorado can make a 30-foot "BRT" bus (which left me scratching my head when I first saw it at an APTA conference a few years ago), then what on earth does BRT really mean? No route that can only support 30-foot buses could possibly justify BRT.

Of course, in the bus manufacturing industry, BRT just means "fancy-looking front end."

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 2):
Disneyland's Mark VII monorail

Tomorrowland Lagoon by Silver1SWA (Ryan Pastorino), on Flickr

That photo should go on a poster or something.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
It's a bummer monorails haven't caught on in major cities around the world. I guess the economics just don't work out well.

They really don't. They cost too much to build, and don't offer the efficiencies of rail (steel wheel on steel rails is quite cost-effective). Even something as simple as a switch (for normal railroads) is a huge monstrosity for monorails.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

Jacksonville, FL, does as well.

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 13):
Manufacturer of choice will most likely be Orion, NewFlyer, or both...but it will definitely not be NABI again.

Interesting. Why would a system that has tons of NABIs (and, in fact, kept ordering them after everyone else learned they were junk), and just took delivery of another large fleet, "definitely not" go with NABI again?

I'm not saying they should. Just wondering why they'd have taken this long to figure it out.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
A couple of true and false questions:

False. (You listed four, and they were statements not questions).

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
4. An "Articulated" Bus is one with an automated voice system.

False.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:54 am

Hey y'all! I finally uploaded photos from the NYC Bus Festival from October, since I took so many you can just see them here  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
3. "Red Birds" were a series of NYC Subway cars during the 60's through 80's

True -- but they lasted well through the 90s and were finally scrapped between 2002 and 2003. These cars, also known as the R36 World's Fair (or R36 WF), were built by the St. Louis Car Company in 1963 and 1964. At the time of their retirement they were solely used on the 7 line (Times Square to Flushing), and now a few live on as work trains.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
4. An "Articulated" Bus is one with an automated voice system.

False! An articulated bus is one that has a pivoting joint in the middle of it. Sort of like this (forgive me for re-using a photo from a previous thread):
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3328/dsc0022is.jpg
(It doesn't have to be a coach like this, check out the NABI 60 BRT, New Flyer D60HF, and Nova LFS Artic for some popular examples of articulated buses.)

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Quoting homsar (Reply 24):
I really think the "BRT" term is so overused to the point of being meaningless

Agreed. I dont see any route being dubbed as a BRT or any style bus if theyre going to use the BRT acronym. I think since El Dorado builds a 40ft version of the BRT, I think they just offer it anyways.

Quoting homsar (Reply 24):
Interesting. Why would a system that has tons of NABIs (and, in fact, kept ordering them after everyone else learned they were junk), and just took delivery of another large fleet, "definitely not" go with NABI again?

I believe its all political. Some people high up in the company love and praise NABI. Maybe is because they offer MTA discounts in the RFP. In return, these new buses have been plauged with so many issues. Most of the CNG artics needed unexpected heavy maintenance work done on failing artic joint midsections

Systems like OCTA ( Orange County, Ca ) had their fair share of problems with NABIs ... they are a big customer of NewFlyer. The director of maintenance likes NewFlyer, and vow not to purchase buses from another manufacturer...even if another manufacturer was cheaper in the RFP. It all vows down to quality of product
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:48 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
If I get the chance I will shoot some Sydney monorail pics for this thread.

And I better not waste any time as the days of Sydney's Monorail may be numbered...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/monorail-l...tourism-revamp-20120108-1pq81.html

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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

Wuppertal in Germany has had one for over 100 years, the Schwebebahn. Also DUS has a monorail running to the rail station and the same kind of monorail is found in Dortmund.

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Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting helvknight (Reply 28):
Wuppertal in Germany has had one for over 100 years, the Schwebebahn. Also DUS has a monorail running to the rail station and the same kind of monorail is found in Dortmund.

Interesting, thanks for posting the pics.  
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Quoting glid4500 (Reply 26):
I believe its all political. Some people high up in the company love and praise NABI. Maybe is because they offer MTA discounts in the RFP. In return, these new buses have been plauged with so many issues. Most of the CNG artics needed unexpected heavy maintenance work done on failing artic joint midsections

Just like the Chicago NABI artics that were all parked after 3-6 years in service due to a failed artic joint. So it wasn't just the 60LFW that had the problem. Too bad. Those buses looked really nice, but they were junk.
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting homsar (Reply 30):
Just like the Chicago NABI artics that were all parked after 3-6 years in service due to a failed artic joint. So it wasn't just the 60LFW that had the problem. Too bad. Those buses looked really nice, but they were junk.

CTA was the only agency to have ordered th 60LFW. I love the front end how it was made. Love the powertrain combination in them too DD50EGR engine and ZF Ecomat transmission. Fortunately, NABI was able to send technicians to LA and assist MTA with the failing artic joint problem. Im not sure if youre aware, but MTA also have a 65ft NABI artic running on Route 901

Its safe to say that NewFlyer finally offers a CNG artic. One was on display at the APTA Bus Convention a few months ago in New Orleans.
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting homsar (Reply 24):
Jacksonville, FL, does as well.

The Jacksonville system is not a monorail; it's a people-mover.
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:40 am

Public transportation in Solvang, CA!

 
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The Öresund Bridge connecting Sweden and Denmark

 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
3. "Red Birds" were a series of NYC Subway cars during the 60's through 80's
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):
Mir: I thought they were recently retired and many of them are now manmade barrier reefs out in the Atlantic off the Delmarva coast.


The first “Redbirds” the R-17’s go back to the late 1950’s, I remember riding them on the No. 6 Pelham line around 1956 or 57 as they started to replace the old Low Vees. The first of these redbirds had an openable circular window on the door between the cars, and there was not much viewing room if 2 or more people were looking out the front window of the train, later models had a larger rectangle window. They were not officially called redbirds at the time they were placed in service, but I remember talking to a motorman at the Pelham Bay station, the last stop of the No. 6 line about the new cars and he said he liked the new redbirds, which was their nickname.

As far as I know, the World Fair cars were never delivered in the redbird paint scheme, I remember them as being painted silver and blue. Later on the MTA went back to the redbird colors as the cars were overhauled

The earlier redbirds were all scrapped, but almost all the later redbirds were stripped of all mechanical parts, windows and doors were removed and they were dumped in the Atlantic Ocean to be used as artificial reefs. The main reason for the dumping instead of scrapping them was there was a lot of asbestos insulation between the inner and outer skins of the cars, the cost of removing the asbestos before scrapping was far more expensive than just dumping them because of all the newer environmental rules and regulations, and the Federal government approved the dumping of the intact car shells because the asbestos was not considered a pollutant.

One interesting fact is New Jersey after accepting the first batch declined more cars after someone complained that asbestos was still in the cars even after the Federal Government approved the ocean disposal, but other states took as many as they could get and then New Jersey later changed their minds and decided they would accept more car shells, but almost all of the remaining cars had already been pledged so New Jersey only got a small share of the discarded car shells. A total of 1,292 Redbirds have been sunk at sea off the coasts of Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, South Carolina, and Virginia.

The use of old New York City subway cars as artificial reefs has been very successful and the MTA now will use dump all their subway cars as they are retired into the ocean.

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Quoting Airstud (Reply 32):

The Jacksonville system is not a monorail; it's a people-mover

It's both.
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Quoting glid4500 (Reply 31):
Love the powertrain combination in them too DD50EGR engine and ZF Ecomat transmission.

Other than structural issues, that was the biggest problem with the NABIs in Chicago. The engines had to run hot for their EGR system to work, but the transmissions would then overheat and the bus would shut down.

A couple of buses were converted to Cummins power (don't know what type) as a test, but the whole fleet was pulled before anything could come of it.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
3. "Red Birds" were a series of NYC Subway cars during the 60's through 80's
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):
Mir: I thought they were recently retired and many of them are now manmade barrier reefs out in the Atlantic off the Delmarva coast.


The first “Redbirds” the R-17’s go back to the late 1950’s, I remember riding them on the No. 6 Pelham line around 1956 or 57 as they started to replace the old Low Vees. The first of these redbirds had an openable circular window on the door between the cars, and there was not much viewing room if 2 or more people were looking out the front window of the train, later models had a larger rectangle window. They were not officially called redbirds at the time they were placed in service, but I remember talking to a motorman at the Pelham Bay station, the last stop of the No. 6 line about the new cars and he said he liked the new redbirds, which was their nickname.

As far as I know, the World Fair cars were never delivered in the redbird paint scheme, I remember them as being painted silver and blue. Later on the MTA went back to the redbird colors as the cars were overhauled

The earlier redbirds were all scrapped, but almost all the later redbirds were stripped of all mechanical parts, windows and doors were removed and they were dumped in the Atlantic Ocean to be used as artificial reefs. The main reason for the dumping instead of scrapping them was there was a lot of asbestos insulation between the inner and outer skins of the cars, the cost of removing the asbestos before scrapping was far more expensive than just dumping them because of all the newer environmental rules and regulations, and the Federal government approved the dumping of the intact car shells because the asbestos was not considered a pollutant.

One interesting fact is New Jersey after accepting the first batch declined more cars after someone complained that asbestos was still in the cars even after the Federal Government approved the ocean disposal, but other states took as many as they could get and then New Jersey later changed their minds and decided they would accept more car shells, but almost all of the remaining cars had already been pledged so New Jersey only got a small share of the discarded car shells. A total of 1,292 Redbirds have been sunk at sea off the coasts of Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, South Carolina, and Virginia.

The use of old New York City subway cars as artificial reefs has been very successful and the MTA now will use dump all their subway cars as they are retired into the ocean.

Quoting jetstar,reply=35:
A total of 1,292 Redbirds have been sunk at sea off the coasts of Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, South Carolina, and Virginia.

And don;t forget my state of Maryland. As a matter of fact the first story on national news featured the "redbirds" being used off the coast of Ocean City, Md. Of course O.C. is part of whats called Delmarva. On the Atlantic coast, the three state borders are next to each other. As a matter of fact Ocean City, Md. north terminus border is the MD. DEL state line.

And regarding "Articulated Busses," AKA Accordian busses there are some on the streets of Baltimore with our MTA. Metrobus in DC has some in service.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting homsar (Reply 37):
A couple of buses were converted to Cummins power (don't know what type) as a test, but the whole fleet was pulled before anything could come of it.

I remember hearing something about this from a former CTA driver who is now a Flight Attendant. How are the NewFlyers holding up over there ?
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:38 pm

some more photos to keep the thread alive  

photos were taken last night at the newly remodeled Long Beach Transit Gallery. I went there to mainly look for a CNG Orion V suburban on the LADOT .... and found it.


2004 CNG Orion 5.501 suburban on LADOT 142 arriving from San Pedro ... and a 2001 Orion 6.501 arriving from LAX on Route 232

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/019-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/022.jpg


2002 NFI D40LF # 2237 awaits its departure on Route 111 to Lakewood Mall via LGB.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/015-2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/012-1.jpg


A soon-to-be-retired 1996 NewFlyer D40LF on Route 61 outbound. Two of these units ( 9611 and 9212 ) already retired and sold at auction.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/001-2.jpg


A soon-to-be-retired 1993 Gillig Phantom moments before departure to Redondo Beach
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last but not least ... a Hot Dog .... well actually a 2009 NewFlyer GE40LFA
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:30 am

Well, the colors do bear semblance to the weinermobile.

Quoting Reply 14-No. 2: false. The Buffalo was a highway coach. The New Looks were Fishbowls.

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 39):
How are the NewFlyers holding up over there ?

About as well as anything, I guess. Haven't noticed any serious problems with them, and the oldest (of the current batch) are already past the halfway point of their design life.

The artics are doing fine, too. But the CLASS rear doors really suck. Not quite as many bugs as they had when first delivered, but I'd still rather have push bars.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 41):
The Buffalo was a highway coach. The New Looks were Fishbowls.








Now Buffalo's (PD-4903/5) and New Looks are similar in construction, as a matter of fact, I believe, even though Buffalo's are highway coaches, the Buffalo's are partly base on the New Look design.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:23 am

I will be posting photos from what was suppose to be a 5 day charter trip turned out to be a 3 day trip. If anybody is interested to find out what happened, plz check out my facebook page or private me.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting glid4500 (Reply 12):

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 11):
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?

I know of Dubai, also Las Vegas. Can't say i've seen many others....

Sydney's got one too, as does Tokyo - it goes to Haneda airport.

Vancouver's SkyTrain

Actually, Vancouver's SkyTrain is plain old standard gauge rail that is, part of the way, elevated.

Here's a diagram that underscores this point:
http://bc.transport2000.ca/images/skytrain_car_diagram.gif

And here's a Time lapse video of a Millennium Line trip from VCC-Clark Station to Waterfront. The entire way, you can see the train is running on regular rails, sometimes on an elevated guideway, sometimes at grade, sometimes underground.
Millennium Line Time-Lapse

The one thing that is special about the Canada Line is the aluminum plate between the rails. The motors used in the SkyTrain system in Vancouver as well as in Kuala Lampour are linear induction so the magnetic field is fed from the plates pushing and pulling the train along the track.

By contrast, here's the Canada Line, a turnkey system by Rotel (a division of Hyundai). Also elevated, at grade and underground, it's propulsion motors are conventional reciprocating induction motors, (onboard motors turning the wheels on the train) so there is no plate between the rails.
Canada Line Time-Lapse

Seattle has a monorail.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 45):
The one thing that is special about the Canada Line is the aluminum plate between the rails.

Whoops-

The one thing that is special about the EXPO and MILLENNIUM lines is the aluminum plate between the rails.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:47 am

The Sydney Monorail - the most expensive public transport system in the world to travel on, and probably the most useless.



The latest you beaut - made in China - double deck trains for CityRail - the Warratah. Permanent 8 car sets.



One of the better parts of living in Sydney...the ferries on the harbour, and riding on them.

 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:39 pm

A trio of Scania coaches waiting in the early evening at Lithgow NSW station to carry CountryLink pax onwards to their destinations in West & North West NSW.







CountryLink is the long haul passenger rail service here in NSW.

My destination that evening.. Rylstone NSW, might explain the coach service!!



Whilst this may not seem transport related, RailCorp here in Sydney have spent a large amount of money restoring the clocktower at Central station, the scaffolding and screens came off recently and it looks stunning!

If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!....well that might have changed!!!
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Jan 2012

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 7):
Which cities have monorails?
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 8):
Dubai
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 20):
If you are referring to the Dubai Metro - it is in fact an elevated railway, not a monorail.

The Dubai Monorail is different to the Metro - it runs from the mainland to the Palm Atlantis:

http://www.sandierpastures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/train-approaching-2.jpg

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