|Quoting PanHAM (Reply 90):|
The Israeli nuclear bombs are self-defense, what Iran does is offensive, they openly say that they want to take Israel off the world map.
Of course the Iranians are not the only people who have wanted to eradicate countries from the map. It has happened throughout history and the successful countries boast about how civilised they are. Did not the US want to erase the USSR
from the map? Maybe yes. maybe no - that is, of course they did and they openly proclaimed so. Either way the USSR
no longer exists but the people who lived there still do. Removing a country is not the same as removing a people, although sometimes it might be. Additionally, leading Israeli statesmen (and women) have openly declared support for Eratz Israel - land beyond the present borders to include "biblical Israel", which includes parts of present day Egypt, Lebanon and Syria. Are the locals supposed to give it up just because a member of the Knesset tells them to?
So how is that different to Israel denying that the Palestinians ever existed? And it isn't just Israel who says that. Gingrich says the same: the Palestinians are an invented people. Many Anet members repeat the same thing. Yet the very creation of Israel was based on not merely removing a definition of an area from the map but also its people from that area. This is fact.
Sure the Zionists had favoured status and the support of the imperial powers that divided the globe post WWI and WWII. The arabs were simply not asked: they were told quite bluntly, "you can haggle over the details but you will give up land." And that is a view that continues to this day to be espoused by people in this forum. All based on the blessing of that illustrious body that was once described as "the League of Imperialist Bandits" and some obscure biblical tracts that no-one has seen the originals of. Dress it up however you will, but Israel could only come into being through the denial of the rights of the people who were already living there.
I know that Europe felt guilty once it became obvious that they were in the habit of killing Jews, but why should people who had nothing to do with with it lose their land and continue to lose their land? And all the while we point to the bogey of Iran.
Don't get me wrong. I despise the regime in Tehran. But let us not for a second pretend that we in the West are any better. Our history proves otherwise. Yes the regime in Iran is bad but much of what is said is for internal consumption. It would be more reassuring if while guaranteeing Israel's right to exist the West would acknowledge the right of Palestine to exist. Guess who opposed Palestine's entreaty for recognition of statehood at the UN. Funnily enough, the reasons for rejection - no agreement with nations with which there was discord - were applied in 1948.
Ideally, I would like to see Israel and Palestine co-exist. Sadly, despite the efforts to paint just one side as bad, there are die-hards on both sides that make such a prospect doubtful. Given that the stronger party has the support of the West, (political, financial and investment) and that they can continue to disinherit the occupants of land under one pretext or another, I am not hopeful. And that is despite the fact that the vast majority of Israelis only wish to live in peace with their neighbours.