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Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 46):
But to date Iran has not, I repeat not attacked Israel and neither did the former US ally Iraq.

42 Scud missiles were fired into Israel from Iraq during the First Gulf War. In a direct attempt by Saddam to provoke Israel into an attack and widen the war.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 46):
While you state that Iraq is no longer a threat to Iran. how much of that is due to the fact that the US and its allies have occupied Iraq?

Zero. Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world at the end of the Iran-Iraq war, a war that when it ended cost the two countries combined over a trillion dollars. From 1988 on neither country really has the stomach for outright war again. Both countries know that war again would result in the same thing that happened last time, huge financial lost and decreased oil output.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 46):
Same applies to Afghanistan.

The Afghan army can't handle the Taliban, why do you think they could pose any threat to the Iranians?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 46):
If you were in the government of Iran, how would you see things?

Like I hadn't taken my Lithium in a week.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:19 pm

Rara, WTF? Why is it the US's responsibility to deescalate this? I think you really need to review the recent timeline to see how we are now at this point. It's quite simple, Iran has no business, either financially, technologically or politically screwing around with nuclear technology. There are A LOT of countries that DO have the ability in a sane fashion to implement nuclear technology but don't...I wonder why that is? Let me let you in on something I've discovered in my life, don't threaten your neighbors with destruction, say you are building things for peaceful purposes under 300m of rock, refuse to let inspectors view the peaceful things you are building, launch items into space on platform that could be converted for other uses and try to call yourself a good neighbor. And you say the US needs to deescalate? Medically? RIGHT....they have problems with WASTE-WATER treatment, what on earth are they going to do with NUCLEAR waste!? If Iran continues on the path it is currently on, it's government has only ITSELF to blame.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 50):
why do you think they could pose any threat to the Iranians?

I don't but the question of Iran's neighbours was raised and I ruled out an immediate threat from Afghanistan. From the Iranian perspective the threat may come from further afield.

The presence of US and allied forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan in recent times may have been interpreted by Iran as being a potential threat.

Hey, if the US can see Hugo Chávez as a threat, when there is no realistic way that Venezuela could, let alone have any intent, invade the US why wouldn't Iran see the US in the same way, given the US's history?
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):
Who of those two countries seems like they would use a nuclear weapon defensively?

Both, I'd actually say Iran is at greater risk of attack than Israel. Israel has a very powerful military, are allies with the US, and have a bunch of nukes. Iran has no nukes and is being threatened by both Israel and the US. Almost the same reason for going to war with Iraq is being used to rally up everyone against Iran. Sure if they gave up their nuclear program they may be safe for a few years, but what is to say they're not gonna end up like Libya, who gave up their nuclear program in 2003 or 2004 and were bombed by us in 2011? Plus, given the history between the US, Israel, and Iran, there is a lot of bad blood and the last thing they want is to be a pushover and submit to us. Iraq invaded them before, the US invaded both countries next to Iran, Israel and the US are threatening them now, if I was Iran, I'd be scared too.

That being said, I hope they do the right thing and give up their nuclear missile program (in addition to us doing the right thing and backing off.)

Quoting bhill (Reply 51):
I think you really need to review the recent timeline to see how we are now at this point.

That is the biggest problem... reviewing the RECENT timeline does not give you the full picture. You need to take history into context and realize what their complaints are and why they want a nuke

Quoting bhill (Reply 51):
don't threaten your neighbors with destruction

Source? If you are talking about "wiping Israel off the map," I addressed that controversy, and it's very highly debatable. I am not aware of any other neighbors they threatened with destruction

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 52):
Hey, if the US can see Hugo Chávez as a threat,

lol, I think I heard Rick Santorum talking about a Venezuelan Caliphate potentially forming in the near future      
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:58 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 53):
That is the biggest problem... reviewing the RECENT timeline does not give you the full picture. You need to take history into context and realize what their complaints are and why they want a nuke

I agree with you to a point, and this is this: Historically, Iran has been a patriarchal society, and has a very long history of turning authority over to a series of "charismatic" chuckleheads who can't distinguish toes from tits, but they fit the formula written in the stars to be Shah. Mixed in two thousand years of history was a handful of good leaders that can be counted on one hand. These leaders for centuries acted against the interests of the Iranian people, and seemed to have some divine right from the people to do so. There was, and IMHO still is, a massive disconnect between the people running the show in Iran and the people on the street. Pre 1979 it was a group of secular, Western-educated elites. Post 1979 it was a group of mullahs and Ayatollahs, equally lost in the clouds. Both ruled Iran with the fist and the gun, and the mullahs took it one step further by preying on the lack of education and ignorance of the poorest of the poor in Iran. Khomeini once expressed frustration at protests about the price of food, because the revolution was about another world. Even the most devout person isn't going to give a hoot about the next life when they can't feed their kids. In addition, the Iranian people didn't necessarily want to establish an Islamic Republic in the form we see today. It was the price forced upon them to be rid of the Shah. They were given a choice: Monarchy? Or Islamic Republic? Only they can tell you if they're happy with the results. To me they just traded one form of tyranny for another.

I rambled on about all that to say this: are the complaints that of the Iranian people with respect to the nukes, or the perverts of Islam running the show? Given the history of Iranian government, I would say that recent events can accurately reflect the big picture repeating itself.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 54):
I rambled on about all that to say this: are the complaints that of the Iranian people with respect to the nukes, or the perverts of Islam running the show? Given the history of Iranian government, I would say that recent events can accurately reflect the big picture repeating itself.

I agree, there is a huge difference between the Iranian people and the government/theocracy. I think the government is pretty crazy, and I wish they wouldn't have a nuke. That being said, I highly doubt they're stupid enough and no FACTUAL evidence leads me to believe they'd use a nuke. Even they know they'd be fried and I doubt they'd do this just to piss off "the Great Satan" a little bit.

I said I don't want them with a nuke. IMO, I don't think it's worth fighting a war to stop them, and the sanctions (thus far) are terribly ineffective and I don't think there's enough support of the sanctions for them to work. I can actually see Russia and/or China keeping Iran afloat as a third party to "stick it to the man" (the US)
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 55):
I can actually see Russia and/or China keeping Iran afloat as a third party to "stick it to the man" (the US)

The Chinese economy has been doing a fabulous job of that all on its own. But hey, hopefully we've learned our own lesson (hope springs eternal, eh?) about propping up loony toons just because they don't like our ideological enemy. I say if the Chinese want to dabble in that then let them deal with the consequences. Russia doesn't have the money to do it anymore, in addition to a lot of chickens coming home to roost because of their own Cold War antics.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Have you noticed that when someone else has or may have something it is a weapon of mass destruction, but when the "good guys" have the same thing it is a defensive shield?

These words are the moral equivalence fallacy.

Moral, decent and law-abiding people and nations are correct in having weapons generally or WMDs in particular because they are in fact moral, decent and law-abiding.

Criminals with guns are a threat. Dictators with guns are a threat. The police and the armies of the democracies with guns are no threat - and in fact are throughout history the vanguard of progress that has brought moral, decent and law-abiding democracies to much of the world. They are not perfect, they make mistakes. BUT, Belgium with a F-16 is a good thing that helps us all, Ahmadinejad with a F-16 is a threat to us all and holding back progress for all mankind.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 37):
Just like the US constantly warned of the danger of "reds under the beds", this warning is less about opponents overseas and more about opponents at home.

Ask Poland and the rest of the old Warsaw pact whether the reds were a figment of US domestic political argument. You might also note how they to this day remain thankful and supremely friendly to America for its Cold War leadership, despite the ignorance of some America-haters who now say the USSR was a US-created scare tactic.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 46):
If you were in the government of Iran, how would you see things?

It doesn't matter how Hitler saw things, there is such a thing as right and wrong and men of goodwill everywhere are correct to confront the wrong.

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Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:38 am

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):

Iran just bluffing and flexing muscle? It's a shame though. That country could be such a great nation.

As long as Iran has the faschist cretin in charge the people of this nation are lemmings ready to take their one way march.
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:49 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 59):
As long as Iran has the faschist cretin in charge the people of this nation are lemmings ready to take their one way march.

I'm not sure that's very fair. I have quite a few Iranian friends, many of whom have been back to Iran for one reason or another. It's quite surprising what they have to say about the mood on the street. In consensus, many Iranians like the American government more than their own (granted that wouldn't amount to a hill of beans if we launched military action against them), and they think the Revolution to be a crock of horsesqueeze. Unlike the blissfully ignorant North Koreans most Iranians are well-connected to the outside world and know full well what is going on. Most Iranians know what their government is about, but to date there has never been anything democratic about Iran. Perhaps that will change, but at the same time, I don't expect many Iranians to board buses or planes with bombs strapped to them.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 60):
not sure that's very fair. I have quite a few Iranian friends, many of whom have been back to Iran for one reason or another. It's quite surprising what they have to say about the mood on the street.

Then how did this lunatic get "elected" or into power in the first place? Scum like him use violence, fear and intimidation to squelsh the citizenry. He needs to take a one way swim with the fishies!
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:55 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 38):
Iran knows if they screw around too much with any of our allies it's basically screwing around with us.

And yet, there would be apologists all over the world (and in this forum, I might add) who would strongly argue against U.S. involvement against Tehran if the Iranians attacked British interests. Putting them firmly on notice that messing with our allies WILL be treated the same as messing with us makes it clear what lines are simply not to be crossed.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 38):
Secondly, like North Korea, they are not kept "under lock," instead they do stupid little stunts to piss us off without going to full blown war.

I'm talking about the fact that while the DPRK has worked on attaining nuclear capability, they've not been foolish enough to let the fruits of their labor get into the hands of others. Yes, they still pull stupid stunts, but that's all they are.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 38):
why not do what is in OUR best interests and pull back, saving us lives, money, and headaches... additionally as a bonus, the motivation for terrorism against us will go down significantly!

That's exactly what I'm advocating. The U.S. government would essentially take it as read that Iran has or will soon have nuclear weapons, and doesn't take any action to stop it from occurring. They just make clear the repercussions Iran would face for ever USING them - even against NATO allies or places where the U.S. has strategic interests - and in effect place the burden on the security of those weapons back on the Iranians.
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 60):

Well I believe you answered your own question.   The last Shah was impotent, and a power vacuum developed. In Iranian society it was the religious leaders who held the power and esteem after the monarchy, so it's pretty easy to connect the dots. It's unfortunate, but I think the Iranians were sold a bill of rhetorical goods. Short-sighted? Possibly. Do I think it was the best option? No. They wanted rid of the Shah, the Ayatollah provided the fastest means. It is indeed amazing what desperate people will do, especially is most of them are uneducated. After that it was fairly easy for him to consolidate power. When Khomeini died somebody else took the reigns. Like I said above, they traded one asshole for another, but I don't believe that's what they intended.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 61):
The U.S. government would essentially take it as read that Iran has or will soon have nuclear weapons, and doesn't take any action to stop it from occurring. They just make clear the repercussions Iran would face for ever USING them - even against NATO allies or places where the U.S. has strategic interests - and in effect place the burden on the security of those weapons back on the Iranians.

The people now in power in Iran have a history of invading countries around the world and killing people for greed and power.

 
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:18 am

Hardly sabre rattling...Ahmadinejad has been working steadfastly on a nuclear program, this is no secret...His disdain for Israel, denial that the Holocaust ever occurred, is clearly indicative of an unstable personality. Not to mention his belief of the coming of the 12th Imam and the hysteria that is involved their.....I would take this clown seriously, to not do so would be a risky mistake. If he is arrogant / stupid enough to sponsor terrorist acts within the US boarders, It will be the last command he will have given. "Seal team 6" needs to stay current!
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

I would LOVE to see them actually try. LOL!
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:08 am

I'd be willing to bet that it happens.

I think that the second that Israel attacks Iranian nuclear sites, there will be suicide bombings throughout soft targets in the US. I also think that the majority of attackers will be holders of Canadian passports and simply passed through US Customs & Immigration as tourists. Canada will give citizenship to anyone. Canadian immigration makes the United Kingdom look like Guantanamo Bay.
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:56 am

This is making the buzz all over the Internet

WND EXCLUSIVE
Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel

Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'
Published: 6 hours ago
By Reza Kahlili

The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

WND?

   Wow!      

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for an ex-CIA spy who is a fellow with EMPact America and the author of “A Time to Betray,” about his double life ...

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/0...l-moore-goes-to-iran-reza-khalili/

hmmm...

 Wow!
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 67):

WND EXCLUSIVE
Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel

Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'
Published: 6 hours ago
By Reza Kahlili

The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Just another bit of hot air from a completely out of touch government. Have they somehow managed to rationalize the killing of 20,000 or so of their own people?
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 67):
This is making the buzz all over the Internet

Hasn't made the news here on the ABC, but the page seems to be plugging a book. Not sure how seriously we should take it. Even if real, the article still talks in terms of "defensive jihad"; in other words, hit us and we hit back.

It is all very scary that silly egos are leading the world to yet another dangerous situation.

It is odd that I don't recall demands for sanctions against Australia when John Howard (then Prime Minister) stated that he was prepared to launch preemptive strikes against Malaysia and Indonesia if he felt threatened. There was a bit of discussion here in Australia at the time and of course the Governments of those countries protested, but nobody ever suggested that Howard was a nut job. Mind you, the media was a bit uncharitable towards Howard when after a visit to Washington, where he met the POTUS, G W Bush went into hospital to remove something from his rear end.
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:04 pm

Iran is already a great country. Have you been there?

I think the US could have been a great country, had it choosen another path in the history. US is such a pity i think...
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 70):

It's so wonderful it has had the highest brain drain on the planet, and is currently number five, ahead of less developed countries due to no jobs for a population bulge encouraged by a small group of men with absolutely zero idea how to run a country and perceived Draconian social restrictions. Simply put--those who can are leaving in droves.

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Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 70):
US is such a pity i think...

On the whole, I'd be inclined to believe your opinion isn't shared by many.
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 72):
On the whole, I'd be inclined to believe your opinion isn't shared by many.

Pretty sure we have a troll on our hands...either from CNN's comment section or Yahoos...take your pick
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 70):

Eh, I'd be bitter too if I was still in denial over the failure of the Motherland.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:41 am

Paris warns Israel against attack on Iran

The French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe called on to do everything possible to prevent Israel from attacking Iran.
http://de.rian.ru/politics/20120208/262650558.html

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas referred in a book he published entitled "Coups et blessures" (Assaults and Injuries), that "The "Israelis" are doing whatever they want in France, and are controlling the French Intelligence with what serves them".

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=255953

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Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 70):
Iran is already a great country. Have you been there?


Think I'll pass...The US is currently a great country. Have you been here?...Our government, as the Iranian government suck, but the people, ...the country...don't knock it till you have tried it.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 70):
I think the US could have been a great country, had it chosen another path in the history


And the path we should have chosen?...please enlighten...Historically if the US had chosen a different path, much of the good in other countries may not have been realized as well.
Europe as your aware of liberated by America in the 40's, the affluence in the middle east as a result of the "Greedy American Culture" and our gas guzzling giants...have made many around the globe wealthy. The fact that your leaders choose to hoard the wealth is another issue. And funny when I travel around the world all I see is American movies, hear American music and am asked about the cities in America that most I meet would give anything to travel too. So what is the problem?...American foreign policy?...well American civilians didn't write the doctrines...our vacuous leaders have as they to believe in self entitlement, leaving the average citizen behind...much like say...Iran,...or Greece...or the Ukraine...
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 76):

A lot of countries put out a lot of misinformation about the US. I've talked to some foreigners that legitimately think that most the population here carries guns everywhere, and if you silently say "bomb" you'll be sent to Gitmo. I disagree with many policies we have, but some people are wayyyyy out of touch with reality.

It goes both ways. I was surprised to see how nice Iran is (via the internet) and how nice and moderate Iranians are. I thought Iran was a dump filled with theocratic extremists.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:32 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 75):
Paris warns Israel against attack on Iran

The French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe called on to do

Oh boy the Frence. No offense but they never liked my people. And they pander to the wack a doodles that plunder nations like Iran into a chamber of horrors. Ayatollah the facist Humani took assylum in Gay Pari! Case closed.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 77):
It goes both ways. I was surprised to see how nice Iran is (via the internet) and how nice and moderate Iranians are. I thought Iran was a dump filled with theocratic extremists.

I belive it. I just hope some of their people will rise up and make their so called leadership from hell take a one way dunk in the ocean and swim with the fishies. This may get me flamed but, I bet a lot of people from all over the world of many different faiths would fight to get a chance to take a golden shower on the corpse of some of their so called leaders.
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 77):
I thought Iran was a dump filled with theocratic extremists.

No, just run by them. This is Iran's big tragedy; it could be so successful in many ways - thriving oil industry, an entrepot between East and West (to rival DXB, IST or anywhere else), a superb tourism location - whether for skiing in the mountains in the north or just catching the sun, well, anywhere; and yet, over a period of 30 years, the Ayatollahs have sacrificed all of this for something they will never be allowed to achieve. Such a tragedy.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 78):
No offense but they never liked my people.

Which explains why they were the first to support you guys in the revolutionary war.  
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:55 pm

I think this photo says it all.

 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 78):
I belive it. I just hope some of their people will rise up and make their so called leadership from hell take a one way dunk in the ocean and swim with the fishies. This may get me flamed but, I bet a lot of people from all over the world of many different faiths would fight to get a chance to take a golden shower on the corpse of some of their so called leaders.

I talk with several Iranians sometimes, they all hate their government. Some say they're just waiting for the right opportunity to rise, whatever that means

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 81):
I think this photo says it all.

You forgot the 3 (?) aircraft carriers in the gulf. IIRC, just one of them has more firepower than Iran
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 82):
I talk with several Iranians sometimes, they all hate their government. Some say they're just waiting for the right opportunity to rise, whatever that means

From what I've read and heard from my Iranian friends is that many people hate it so much they've simply given up, and leave at their first opportunity.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Attacking anyone is going to be that reason. Especially if it's a NATO country.

Of course, Iran should not attack other countries unprovoked. But, if those countries attack Iran first (near equivalent to a Pearl Harbor against Iran), I see no reason why Iran should not respond violently. I thought that was an international norm? This whole debate confuses me greatly. How is it different from Pearl Harbor... Iran is a sovereign country.

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Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 80):
Which explains why they were the first to support you guys in the revolutionary war.

Should have clarified: My people, I'm Jewish. There has been and there's still a significant Anti-Semetic climate in France.
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:18 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 84):
I see no reason why Iran should not respond violently.

I fail to see how they would do so, besides activating their "cells" in the US. Iran's power to inflict any sort of damage to western nations is limited. Their large army is useless within its borders, their air force is pathetic and navy non-existent. A battle-group should have no issues with any sort of Iranian temper tantrums.
 
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 77):
It goes both ways. I was surprised to see how nice Iran is (via the internet) and how nice and moderate Iranians are. I thought Iran was a dump filled with theocratic extremists.

As I stated above, most populations of most if not all countries are at the mercy of policies established by their governments. unfortunatelly most governments view their mass populations as money machines and choose to abuse this to their own advantage, the US government obviously not excluded here...I too have Iranian friends, (Persian) and are delightful and wish the same for their lives as any other civilized individual would. I'm convinced at this juncture the press in all countries are extensions of their governments and are used to manipulate global opinion as they see fit. (good for business)!...but bad for the average citizen. While travelling abroad I have been confronted with questions regarding Americas insatiable thirst for war....Dang!...What can one say?...we do have bases everywhere, we are always involved in a conflict somewhere...I can't blame non US citizens for that line of thinking however back home in the US, I don't know of one person that wants us to be involved in any war unless we are responding to an act of aggression. And what citizen wouldn't expect that? As far as the concept of guns...seems to me the argument of America being the land of gun toting renegades,...well their must be a lot of John Wayne movies out there...last time I watched the news...pick any place in the middle east... everyone has an AK47 over their shoulder,...even 14 year olds.

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 86):
their air force is pathetic and navy non-existent.

What do they have remaining as an airforce, some patchquilt 747/ 200's and a 747 SP for the "Genious"?
 
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:31 pm

Iran building a nuclear bomb? How about looking the other way around?

Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon
Iranian intelligence experts also warned of the very real, and very frightening, possibility of the U.S. providing weapons and resources to a rogue third-party state such as Israel.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ira...e-building-8500th-nuclear-w,27325/

This could very well be true.

 Wow!
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 88):
Iran building a nuclear bomb? How about looking the other way around?

Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon
Iranian intelligence experts also warned of the very real, and very frightening, possibility of the U.S. providing weapons and resources to a rogue third-party state such as Israel.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ira...e-building-8500th-nuclear-w,27325/

This could very well be true

The Onion is a satirical media publication, with totally made up and humorous stories, but with a number of them done in a way to really bring out the truth. Indeed, if Israel, the USA and Europe want to go ballistic with Iran, then we all should demand Israel to open up to inspections their nuclear bomb program as demanded as to Iran.
 
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 89):
should demand Israel to open up to inspections their nuclear bomb program as demanded as to Iran.

The difference is that Israel has a democratic government whereas Iran is a theocratic regime. Even though the Rabbinat is very influential, there is no comparison with the Iranian theocratic leadership for whom Ahmandinishev is just a puppet on a string.

The Israeli nuclear bombs are self-defense, what Iran does is offensive, they openly say that they want to take Israel off the world map. Without those rethorics,no one would bother. The Jewish people have some experience with what dictators have on the agenda, who can blame Israel for not taking a chance?
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 90):
The Jewish people have some experience with what dictators have on the agenda, who can blame Israel for not taking a chance?

We can all see how the Iranians have been bombing Gaza to hell making use of phosphorus bombs on civilians.
They attack and invade everywhere every chance they get.

Iranians are the most evil people on Earth. That country needs to be wiped off the map.

    Wow!

[Edited 2012-02-12 10:54:49]
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 91):
Iranians are the most evil people on Earth. That country needs to be wiped off the map.

Oh dear yet another pointless post by you. I have met and know a few Iranian people bpth in Australia and on my travels around the world , and they are not all evil people on earth, that is left for people like you who make comments like this. And this is a resident of the country that supported Khomeini who took over from the late Shah , thus forcing the counrty into the revoloution it had. But hey that was all good and in line with the world order as the late Shah was an evil man



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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:10 pm

Taking his/her full post into consideration (not just the part you quoted), I'm almost certain that was sarcasm

[Edited 2012-02-13 07:11:46]
 
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting mal787 (Reply 92):
Oh dear yet another pointless post by you.

One of the major problems with communication over the Internet is that we lack the signals that are normally available in face to face conversation. Tone of voice, body posture, the look in someone's eyes. You have missed the point, maybe? It wasn't Iran that bombed Gaza. Madame is pointing to the double standards that often apply in world politics: how we ignore evil acts by some while justifying evil acts by others.

Although I don't always agree with her, Madame has often asked people to not simply accept everything they read as being the literal truth. Maybe, like the rest of us, she may sometimes forget that advice and, like the rest of us, post in haste but I would not question her integrity.
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Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:44 pm

.... well, with all due respect to our cher Madame and her sarcasm, but she misses the point that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the world map and uses little Gaza as a puppet for that purpose. Iranians are of course not bombing Gaza, they use Gaza sending missiles to Israel and are happy about the inevitable reaction.

My bottom line was that Israel is defensive whereas Iran is offensive. Nothing to add to that.
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 90):
The Israeli nuclear bombs are self-defense, what Iran does is offensive, they openly say that they want to take Israel off the world map.

Of course the Iranians are not the only people who have wanted to eradicate countries from the map. It has happened throughout history and the successful countries boast about how civilised they are. Did not the US want to erase the USSR from the map? Maybe yes. maybe no - that is, of course they did and they openly proclaimed so. Either way the USSR no longer exists but the people who lived there still do. Removing a country is not the same as removing a people, although sometimes it might be. Additionally, leading Israeli statesmen (and women) have openly declared support for Eratz Israel - land beyond the present borders to include "biblical Israel", which includes parts of present day Egypt, Lebanon and Syria. Are the locals supposed to give it up just because a member of the Knesset tells them to?

So how is that different to Israel denying that the Palestinians ever existed? And it isn't just Israel who says that. Gingrich says the same: the Palestinians are an invented people. Many Anet members repeat the same thing. Yet the very creation of Israel was based on not merely removing a definition of an area from the map but also its people from that area. This is fact.

Sure the Zionists had favoured status and the support of the imperial powers that divided the globe post WWI and WWII. The arabs were simply not asked: they were told quite bluntly, "you can haggle over the details but you will give up land." And that is a view that continues to this day to be espoused by people in this forum. All based on the blessing of that illustrious body that was once described as "the League of Imperialist Bandits" and some obscure biblical tracts that no-one has seen the originals of. Dress it up however you will, but Israel could only come into being through the denial of the rights of the people who were already living there.

I know that Europe felt guilty once it became obvious that they were in the habit of killing Jews, but why should people who had nothing to do with with it lose their land and continue to lose their land? And all the while we point to the bogey of Iran.

Don't get me wrong. I despise the regime in Tehran. But let us not for a second pretend that we in the West are any better. Our history proves otherwise. Yes the regime in Iran is bad but much of what is said is for internal consumption. It would be more reassuring if while guaranteeing Israel's right to exist the West would acknowledge the right of Palestine to exist. Guess who opposed Palestine's entreaty for recognition of statehood at the UN. Funnily enough, the reasons for rejection - no agreement with nations with which there was discord - were applied in 1948.

Ideally, I would like to see Israel and Palestine co-exist. Sadly, despite the efforts to paint just one side as bad, there are die-hards on both sides that make such a prospect doubtful. Given that the stronger party has the support of the West, (political, financial and investment) and that they can continue to disinherit the occupants of land under one pretext or another, I am not hopeful. And that is despite the fact that the vast majority of Israelis only wish to live in peace with their neighbours.
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 96):
Did not the US want to erase the USSR from the map?

Quokka, I just take this sentence, I am too tired to read the rest - I lived through the cold war, born in 1948, with Cuba crisis and all, Kennedy assasination where the 8 pm news was delayed by 15 or 20 minutes and no one knew why until they said what happened, if, at all, America wanted to erase the communist system, not the country.

The system did that by itself, as we all know.

That's a big difference from what Iran is aiming at.
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 95):
.... well, with all due respect to our cher Madame and her sarcasm, but she misses the point that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the world map and uses little Gaza as a puppet for that purpose. Iranians are of course not bombing Gaza, they use Gaza sending missiles to Israel and are happy about the inevitable reaction.

My bottom line was that Israel is defensive whereas Iran is offensive. Nothing to add to that.

I guess when the US used Saddam to attack Iran, that was alright.
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RE: Iran Willing To Attack On US Soil

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:42 pm

Iran stops oil exports to six EU countries-state TV

TEHRAN Feb 15 (Reuters) - Iran has stopped oil exports to six European states in retaliation for European Union sanctions imposed on the Islamic state's key export, its English-language Press TV reported on Wednesday.

"Iran cuts its oil exports to six European countries," Press TV reported.

Press TV said Iran has stopped exporting oil to Netherlands, Greece, France, Portugal, Spain and Italy.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL5E8DF2K820120215

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Iranian state TV have also just shown live the Iranian Presdient at the nuclear plant loading fuel into the reactor!

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