|Quoting seb146 (Reply 3):|
Geez!! You all make us sound like a police state; like North Korea.
Hmmm... sorry, but the patriot act took America very sadly in that direction. But, and it's only fair to point out, you are not alone, many so called Free societies in the "Western World" have gone exactly the same way.
|Quoting zckls04 (Reply 5):|
I don't have a lot of sympathy for this point of view to be honest. If you're not prepared to abide by the rules of the country you're visiting don't go.
I think that this is what the OP is suggesting. He simply finds that aspects of US entry requirements violate his personal ethical code, as he is quite entitled to do.
|Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 56):|
Saying this is all necessary because of 9/11 is quite rich: ALL of the 9/11 terrorists would have been spared this treatment today, as they were ALL on DOMESTIC flights of US airlines and were US residents. I like how agressive treatment of overseas arriving visitors is the logical control for what was an entirely domestic event and failure of domiestic alirport security.
While the terrorists were allegedly Saudi, I agree to an extent - many security rules in the US are directed solely at International flights and not domestic ones (I'm not going to mention what they are for obvious reasons), which I find bizarre to a huge degree.
|Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 56):|
To the OP however, I as an Australian citizen entering the UK, am subjected to systematic borderline abusive treatment by your Immigration Officers every time I visit. I have been tempted to feel the same way about the UK that you do about the US.
Unfortunately, you are right here. UK border staff can be complete arseholes when they want to be, along with the security staff, where rules are applied "BEYOND" the letter, to the point of the non application of ANY common sense whatsoever. As an Irish passport holder, I get no hassle from the UK border agency as I have a right of stay in the UK, but I have seen it metted out to the Ozzies on many occasions.
|Quoting UAL747 (Reply 47):|
BTW, the original poster's opinions are just so out of line of what really happens here. If I, an American citizen, fly to New York, it is the culture of New York to be crass, loud, bossy, etc. That's what makes New York, New York. Same can be said of Chicago in some cases. It's part of that culture, it's not part of some government reason to treat foreigners poorly, or to take away your rights. Heck, you should see how American treat Americans on the streets of New York! It's fun if you realize that is how New York is! It's loud, bossy, and very "New York."
Well, forgive me then - but if someone is rude, crass, bossy to me, then I have every right to be rude, crass and bossy back. The unfortunate reality though is that if I do so to a TSA
staff member or Immigration officer, I will likely be denied entry. So, sadly, I cannot engage in the local culture and it strictly goes one way, which is a little unfair I think you will agree.
To the OP, I understand exactly where you are coming from regarding aspects of the entry "experience" to the US. I absolutely detest having to give my fingerprints like some criminal, and I totally hate the US government for making me do it when I come from a country with such long and positive relations with the USA, but if you can swallow your pride just until you get out of the airport, you will find that some of your other concerns are unfounded, and it's actually a wonderfully relaxed place!
Rudeness is just part of the air travel experience in the US. You will experience it at least once on every trip in the US, be it from the airline staff, security staff, or immigration staff, and in fact usually someone will be SO rude to you, it will actually leave you breathless for a second.......BUT, and I can safely say, you will not experience it outside the airport.
Americans are some of the friendliest and most welcoming people around, so just give it a chance. You'll come home saying "Sure, the airport was a nightmare, but the US was awesome!"