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Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:59 am

Somebody told me that there was plans to build a new cross country track in the US, has anybody else herd about this info?
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:58 am

No, never going to happen. No reason for it to happen. No. No. No.
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:35 am

Nope havent heard. Dont really see the need for one.
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:21 am

Whadaya mean, "no need for one" ? We already HAVE one.......it's called Amtrac ! You can ride it from NYC to California; isn't that cross country enough ?

As for "not needing it".............you'd have a hard time convincing the thousands who already ride it; every time I take Miss A to the station in Crawfordsville to take it to Chicago, the train is always 80 to 90% full; everyone seems to like it just fine.

She can fly to Midway non-rev, then take a $50 cab ride (and risk your life) out to Lisle, or take the Amtrac round trip for $35, with a short ride on the Metra, ($6 RT), and be there just as quick; (and she likes the Amtrac better ! )

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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting geezer (Reply 3):
Whadaya mean, "no need for one" ? We already HAVE one.......it's called Amtrac ! You can ride it from NYC to California; isn't that cross country enough ?

That's kinda the point. We already have several transcon rail lines. They seem to be sufficient to handle the traffic. There's unused capacity on the existing routes. Some could have tracks added. Any new route would have to serve a market that's currently unserved or under-served, and right now, I can't think of one that couldn't be served with some improvement to the tracks in the existing route structure.
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:07 pm

The only talk I've seen was for new high speed rail for passenger service.

But that would only be in certain corridors between large cities relatively close together.

A transcontinental high speed rail network would be a huge waste of money. 20-24 hours New York to Los Angeles vs the current approx 5-6 hours on an airplane - for more money for rail in most cases - won't work, and much less capacity than the current air system.
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:44 pm

Not to mention that two of the transcontinental routes have been abandoned-the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad and the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad. If the UP and BNSF routes become too saturated with traffic, either of these two routes could be restored for far less than constructing a brand new route. However, passenger rail travel over longer distances is not as efficient as freight usage.
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:42 am

The Rock Island never went transcon, it had a route as far as south of Tucumcari NM where it met the SP. This is now totally under UP control and they build it up to a transcon in compettition with the BNSF.

The Milwaukee Road transcon is in most parts dismantled, bike path or whatever. Capacity shoratages of the existining BNSF and UP can be overcome by third or fourth rails in congested areas. BNSF just more or less completed the Ajo Canyon second rail which makes it a 2 lane super rail hzighway from Chicago to LA.

Whereby, transcon really means as far east as Chicago and St. louis. Today there are through running trains which are handed over usually at Chicago to CSX or NS.
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:51 am

I done been across these United States by rail, and I've done it three times.

In late 1991, I took the Benjamin Franklin (oh, for the days when different runs on the same Northeast Corridor route had different route names!!    ) from Boston to New York; hung out with my NYU chums for a few days, then took the (now-discontinued) Broadway Limited from NY to Chicago (meh - non-scenic); and the Southwest Chief from Chicago to Los Angeles. Totally awesome!!

After not finding steady work in L.A., took the Sunset Limited to New Orleans (the train left L.A. at night, we got to take in the beautiful Arizona xeriscape yes XERISCAPE during breakfast) and then the Crescent from Nawlins to Philly (Mayflower, train #174, onward to Boston thanks for asking).

September 1993, took the Lake Shore Limited from Boston to Chi-town and then the California Zephyr out to Oakland. We went through the Rockies during the first snowfall, and along the bottom of Glenwood Canyon - this is saying NOTHING of the American River valley along the Nevada California border. The scenery on the California Zephyr is such that...as soon as you're sure you're never going to see a more gorgeous sight in your life...bam.

None of you shall be forgiven if you fail to take the California Zephyr at some point in your lives.
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 8):
None of you shall be forgiven if you fail to take the California Zephyr at some point in your lives.

I'd love to but, as a smoker, I fear my days of long railway journeys are over.  
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 8):
I done been across these United States by rail, and I've done it three times.

In late 1991, I took the Benjamin Franklin (oh, for the days when different runs on the same Northeast Corridor route had different route names!! ) from Boston to New York; hung out with my NYU chums for a few days, then took the (now-discontinued) Broadway Limited from NY to Chicago (meh - non-scenic); and the Southwest Chief from Chicago to Los Angeles. Totally awesome!!

After not finding steady work in L.A., took the Sunset Limited to New Orleans (the train left L.A. at night, we got to take in the beautiful Arizona xeriscape yes XERISCAPE during breakfast) and then the Crescent from Nawlins to Philly (Mayflower, train #174, onward to Boston thanks for asking).

September 1993, took the Lake Shore Limited from Boston to Chi-town and then the California Zephyr out to Oakland. We went through the Rockies during the first snowfall, and along the bottom of Glenwood Canyon - this is saying NOTHING of the American River valley along the Nevada California border. The scenery on the California Zephyr is such that...as soon as you're sure you're never going to see a more gorgeous sight in your life...bam.

None of you shall be forgiven if you fail to take the California Zephyr at some point in your lives.



I was wondering, was these trains you was riding, pulled by an EMD F40ph or GE Genesis? I know Amtrak was transitioning from F40phs to Genesis as their flagship prime mover at the time.
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:28 am

Quoting David L (Reply 9):
I'd love to but, as a smoker, I fear my days of long railway journeys are over.

There are frequent stops during the trip, plenty of them long enough for folks to step outside and have a smoke before continuing their journey. (I won't say anything preachy to you about smoking since I can't say anything you haven't already heard, but once you've quit successfully you can reward yourself with a nice trip!!)

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 10):
I was wondering, was these trains you was riding, pulled by an EMD F40ph or GE Genesis? I know Amtrak was transitioning from F40phs to Genesis as their flagship prime mover at the time.

  

It appears someone knows more about Amtrak than I do...I absolutely could not answer that. I hope it was the non-GE one, 'cause I signed a petition one day swearing that I would not buy GE products ever again. Something about a corrupt Defense Department contract or something. This was in Copley Square, Boston, circa 1986. The girl had a halter top on.

So, I cannot speak for Amtrak, but when I'm buying locomotives for myself...
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 11):
I hope it was the non-GE one, 'cause I signed a petition one day swearing that I would not buy GE products ever again. Something about a corrupt Defense Department contract or something. This was in Copley Square, Boston, circa 1986. The girl had a halter top on.

That's funny stuff right there!
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 11):
his was in Copley Square, Boston, circa 1986. The girl had a halter top on.

So, Airstud, are you saying that when a young girl in a halter top comes along, you'll "sign" anything ? ( LMAO ! )

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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 11):
I hope it was the non-GE one, 'cause I signed a petition one day swearing that I would not buy GE products ever again. Something about a corrupt Defense Department contract or something. This was in Copley Square, Boston, circa 1986. The girl had a halter top on.






Well you may not want ride Amtrak for a while, or you may not want to ride on a Boeing 777.     
 
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RE: Cross Country Rail Road In The US?

Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting geezer (Reply 13):
So, Airstud, are you saying that when a young girl in a halter top comes along, you'll "sign" anything ?

Well, before signing anything, I always scan it for mention of damnation or anything of that ilk. But hey, I've no love for GE products anyway. If I am to buy a TV set, it won't be from a company that also makes locomotives and washing machines. (Just like I don't think I would ever buy a Sony locomotive).

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
Well you may not want ride Amtrak for a while, or you may not want to ride on a Boeing 777.

Yeah, I'm not too happy when I see big transportation companies buying GE apparatus. Pratt & Whitney or Rolls Royce are better engines. I know this because they're not GE.

(I failed high school physics btw.)
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