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Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:39 am

If yes, what does God mean to you? (Spirit, conscience, connection, mother, father, feeling....)

If no, what God don't you believe in?
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:55 am

Yes! My creator.The spirit and conscience of what is good in mankind.Forgiver of mankind's evil and distortion of the sinner is he/she wishes truly himself/herself wants to be forgiven.And the true peace of no pain and paradise in another dimension

But the distractions,made by mankind,in mankind's world,determine by mankind, are indeed a test.


I have a lot to answer for myself,but this what I believe.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:07 am

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
If no, what God don't you believe in?

Huh? Can't I just be an atheist, do I now have to be a denominational atheist?
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:40 am

VERY NO. Religion causes far more problems than it solves, and for that reason... I'm out
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:08 am

No

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):

If no, what God don't you believe in?

Having answered 'no' to the first question I would have thought it was self explanatory that I don't believe in any/all gods, I am trying to work out whether this was meant to be a trick question like the old joke :

A journalist, researching for an article on the complex political situation in Northern Ireland, was in a pub in a war-torn area of Belfast. One of his potential informants leaned over his pint of Guinness and suspiciously cross-examined the journalist: "Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?" the Irishman asked.
"Neither," replied the journalist; "I'm an atheist."

The Irishman, not content with this answer, put a further question: "Ah, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?"
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:45 am

No. Show me some proof and I might reconsider, but I don't think that's possible.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:48 am

Q1: Do you believe in God? This question suggests the existence of one God not multiple gods. From your supplementary question, perhaps the question should be "Do you believe in a god?"

Q2: If no, what God don't you believe in? This suggests multiple gods, or at least descriptions and ideas of god, leaving one free to choose this or that or even several.

Of course it may be the case that there are multiple gods, just as there are multiple ideas of what God is. Is it not written "thou shalt not have any other gods before me?" So, even the big chief himself appeared to recognize others or the belief in others. And why would he have said "I ...am a jealous god?" If there are no other gods, why would this particular one be jealous? Being irritable that people continue to believe in false ideas may be understandable, but jealousy?

Clearly, when the words were written there were several competing deities or at least groups pretending to be the earthbound representatives of the various gods. Your second question suggests that may remain to be the case today.

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting danielmyatt (Reply 3):
Religion causes far more problems than it solves, and for that reason... I'm out

Ah! Belief in God, and belief in religion, are not at all the same thing.

PSA53 had it succinctly and eloquently stated, above. To that, I could add nothing useful.

As for "proof," inasmuch as we are talking about faith, the very antithesis of scientific proof, none available and none required.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:30 am



To illustrate why I am a unwavering atheist due to what is in my opinion a pretty absurd concept, here's some even more absurd memes to help illustrate my perceived absurdity of religion/"god":

 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting danielmyatt (Reply 3):
VERY NO. Religion causes far more problems than it solves, and for that reason... I'm out

I agree 100% with your post!
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:52 am

Yes. To me god is the one who created me, who loves me no matter what, who cares for me like noone else, who wants the best for me, who sacrificed his only son for my salvation and who will forgive me no matter how often or how bad I screw up.
At the very least, I find it hard to believe that humans are the most advanced beings in the universe.

People confuse God with religion and walk away from both.

[Edited 2012-02-17 23:11:29]
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:53 am

Yes I do, as a matter of fact, I am a deacon. God is the creator of the world. His all power, he own everything.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:05 am

"I believe in the life eternal, as promised to us by our Lord, Jesus Christ!"

--Sergeant Howie, The Wicker Man, 1973.

To be continued with Iron Maiden or Marduk? To be decided...

Guess what my answer is! (Hint: it's no.)

What God don't I believe in? The Judaeo-Christian one of course...
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:11 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
To me god is the one who created me

Don't they teach sex ed in Australia, it's a widely accepted fact that the males sperm fertilises the females egg, 9 months later out you pop, now unless god was either your mum or your dad, he didn't have much if anything to do with creating you.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:14 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Don't they teach sex ed in Australia, it's a widely accepted fact that the males sperm fertilises the females egg, 9 months later out you pop, now unless god was either your mum or your dad, he didn't have much if anything to do with creating you.

Point taken  creator/designer of my soul would have been a better way to put it.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:16 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
creator/designer of my soul would have been a better way to put it.

That's an interesting question, do we actually have souls?
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:41 am

I don't believe in God. Never have, to my knowledge.

I do consider myself somewhat spiritual, though. Not overtly, but in my personal life, a bit.

It is difficult for me (as I imagine for most people) to truly accept that when we die, that's simply the end. I prefer to believe something I read in a history textbook once (approximately) - There is no death; there is simply a changing of worlds. Wish I could remember to whom it was attributed.

Additionally, being in recovery has definitely opened up a bit more of a spiritual side, though it was something I had to grow into. Many people are turned off by the "religious" side of AA and the like; I discovered through experience that it's really not about religion (or even really about spirituality, if you don't want it to be). It's about openness, which, for me, led to greater spirituality, even if I wasn't looking specifically for that.

Also the death of my grandmother last year had a profound effect, as I simply can't imagine my life without her presence in one form or another. It was possibly the strangest experience of my life to see her body just prior to her cremation. She looked quite peaceful (as I know she was), but it's mind-boggling to think that all the life that was there is simply gone.

But that all is a completely separate thing from God or religion, at least for me.

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
If no, what God don't you believe in?

The one that I don't believe exists. Yeah, that one....

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
Having answered 'no' to the first question I would have thought it was self explanatory that I don't believe in any/all gods, I am trying to work out whether this was meant to be a trick question like the old joke :

I prefer:

The Babel fish is small, yellow, leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:
'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
'But,' says Man, 'The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:47 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Don't they teach sex ed in Australia,

Not sure what Australia has to do with zkojq's post: his location according to his profile is NZ and the flag shown is that of NZ. I am surprised that you fail to distinguish the two.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
People confuse God with religion and walk away from both

I do confess to being curious about the separation of God from religion. Religion is described as being about how people interpret the original cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and usually includes the belief in a superhuman agency, a creator, often requiring or demanding devotional and ritual observances, and usually containing a moral code relating to how we relate with another.

Religion creates gods and while this or that god may "exist" independently of this or that sect, gods don't exist without religion. The belief in God is a religious belief, whether you belong to particular "religion" or not.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:50 am

No I don't.

And like a lot of Atheists, I am generally suspicious about the intelligence of people that do. This is probably being overly prejudical, but someone who believes in God on the basis of this "blind faith" that they seem to think is a virtue, probably lacks the capacity for critical thought and reasoning. This is backed up by several studies that indicate that non-Atheists are about 10 points behind us in most IQ tests.

Additionally, I also believe that the nett contribution to humanity of organised religion is negative. It stifles human development, it is violent, it is often bigoted, and it is costly. We would be better without it.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:00 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 18):
Additionally, I also believe that the nett contribution to humanity of organised religion is negative. It stifles human development, it is violent, it is often bigoted, and it is costly. We would be better without it.

Tell us how you really feel! Don't hold back, now.

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 19):
As a pastafarian, I'm deeply offended. You simply need to be touched by his noodly appendage.

Fair enough. I will seek him out now. It is lunchtime.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:39 am

Nope. I'm a well adjusted Athiest. I tend to keep my opinions to myself about religion.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:47 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 17):
Not sure what Australia has to do with zkojq's post: his location according to his profile is NZ and the flag shown

Woops, from a mobile phone the flag is tiny, so I went with the majority, ie there's more of them than us. I should had back my kiwi card, I'm deeply offended at myself.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

I believe in Russell's teapot. Or in the invisible pink unicorn. It all depends on the mood I'm in...



 

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 16):
I prefer:

Oh dear, how did I ever forget Oolon Colluphid and his bestseller "Well, that about wraps it up for god"
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:36 am

Do I believe in a "god" or "gods" as creators? No, absolutely not.

I can understand why thousands of years ago the concept of "god" was adopted by all civilisations, even something like weather patterns that we understand on a basic scientific level could not be explained. Lightning strikes, "god" was angry, good grop growing season "god" was pleased with how you had behaved etc etc.......

Do I believe a man called Jesus existed? Yes, I kind of do. I don't however buy into the "son of god virgin birth" stuff though. My take on Jesus was that he was a very charismatic organiser of people who saw a lot wrong with society and wanted to make changes. I see him as a kind of Nelson Mandela type figure, an activist who stood up for the downtrodden, totally pi$$ed off the regime of the day and had to be dealt with. He fought the law but the law won.

What we know about Jesus is that he is alledged to have opposed power and greed, stood up for equality for the poor and sick, and that in the end he was publically executed. If that's the case why do so many American right wing money hoarding death penalty supporters call themselves Christians? Their beliefs are totally at odds with what we are lead to belive that Jesus stood for. Jesus sounds like a socialist to me, a "community organiser" perhaps  

If the "second coming of Christ" ever happened how many Christians the world over would he be downright disgusted with?

Now let's move onto The Bible, a book that actually took around 300 years to compile as the powers that be couldn't decide what should go in it and has been translated through many many different languages over 2 millenia.
The stories contained in there are entertaining enough BUT let's not forget that in those times not many people could read or write, you had to go to a "scribe" to record a story, these stories would often pass by word of mouth through several individuals before an educated man had the chance to write them down. We all know that if you line a bunch of people up, whisper a short story into the ear of the first person and tell them to pass it on that person #20 will say something totally different to the original.
The Bible is highly over embelished contadictory collection of stories that can never be verified.

Christmas and Easter, both fall on Pagan/Druid festivals. Christians I ask you this one simple question.

If you can nail down Jesus' birthday to exactly 25th December than how do you explain why Easter, the festival that marks his crucifixion and resurrection moves every year?
Where do eggs and rabbits fit into the whole Jesus story?
It's because the church basically hijacked the Pagan/Druid spring festival marking the end of winter and beginning of spring i.e. new life in the animal kingdom and for growing crops. It's based on the lunar cycle and the growing season commencing not a charismatic leader being nailled to a cross then rising from the dead 3 days later.

I'll never understand how intelligent educated people can put blind faith in an ancient story that can't be proved, that's any "god" or religion.

I suppose you could call me a cynical skeptic with Pagan leanings but nodody will ever convince me about the existance of an all powerful "god".
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:34 am

Do I believe in a god? Yes. And I also believe that we will eventually, through science, find out what that god is (though not in my lifetime).

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 18):
I also believe that the nett contribution to humanity of organised religion is negative. It stifles human development, it is violent, it is often bigoted, and it is costly. We would be better without it.

Without doubt, religion(s) are the most evil force on the planet and basically the root of much of the planet's problems.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 26):
I suppose you could call me a cynical skeptic with Pagan leanings but nodody will ever convince me about the existance of an all powerful "god".

Agree entirely.

Oh..... and......

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 28):
Without doubt, religion(s) are the most evil force on the planet and basically the root of much of the planet's problems.

While that is basically true (many wars have certainly been fought over religion), I'm completely convinced that if we didn't have religion, we'd just find something else over which to fight.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 25):
Oh dear, how did I ever forget Oolon Colluphid and his bestseller "Well, that about wraps it up for god"

Oh dear indeed!
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:30 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
While that is basically true (many wars have certainly been fought over religion), I'm completely convinced that if we didn't have religion, we'd just find something else over which to fight.

I agree with you on that one.

For all of the evolution, learning, self improvement we have achieved to become the dominant species we're still basically mammals. By nature we're territorial and have an instinct to defend that territory from strangers.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
If no, what God don't you believe in?

All of them.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:48 pm

Nope.

"God" is an imaginary concept born out of human instincts and emotional needs, but highly inconsistent with observation of the world around us and human history.

Particularly problematic when authoritarian ideologies ("religion") are based on it.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:34 pm

I don't believe in god, and in general I'm happy to "live and let live" if other people do.

Unfortunately many faithful people (here in the US at least) try to use our government and laws to create an environment around them that is compatible with their religious views even if that means forcing these views on others (opposition to Gay Marriage or use of contraception probably being the most clear cut examples of this). I disagree with the constitutionality of doing this so I oppose it wherever I can.

Because of this it can be a real struggle to be an atheist in the US. Our money says "In God We Trust", our Pledge of Allegiance requires acknowledgement of the supremacy of god, many ceremonies (and virtually all military ceremonies which are not optional) begin with a religious benediction or prayer etc. All of this says to me that atheists aren't quite "as equal" as everybody else, and/or that there is a de facto linkage between the Government of the United States and monotheistic religion. I can't get my mind around why we need to carve out a moment for those who want to pray before anything that we do as a group (other than a religious service obviously)...there is nothing stopping people from praying on their own before/after/during the event. It's just more quasi-official favoritism on behalf of religion since the religious form the majority.

If these things instead openly advocated for white people or something ridiculous like that it would be immediately deemed inappropriate...but to constantly and officially invoke the almighty when the belief in an almighty is not universal (and disagreement on the issue is protected by the Constitution) is apparently "OK". This pisses me off.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:46 pm

No, I don't believe in God and neither did God, didn't he say "there shall be no other God but me"? Therefore God too was an atheist. If its good enough for "The Almighty" its good enough for me  

It makes me laugh when so called "Christians" get all togged up and go out into the wilderness and murder anything that moves in the name of "hunting" then asking for forgiveness in church makes it all OK again.
As someone one said "Standing in Church every week no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you an automobile"

  
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:52 pm

Not at all.

It's a total waste of time for me, and I consider it to be for people who have no direction in their lives and need a book to know how to live their lives by.

I'm of the opinion of that you should live your life how you want - you only get one go at it, why waste it trying to please a higher being that you have no proof of?

If you want to go out, get drunk and get laid, do it. You don't need to feel guilty for that.

If you see this as a bit rude, you don't know the God Squadders I've met and how rude they are about not believing.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

No.. not at all.. not remotely and Thankfuly that seems to be the current trend with the new generation.

If people need that fantasy to get through life then thats ok by me (allthough I do think of them as slightly deluded).. let them believe, Its their life. But the moment it is forced upon or preached at me it kind of sets me off in a never ending rant about how ridiculous it all is.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting danielmyatt (Reply 3):
VERY NO. Religion causes far more problems than it solves, and for that reason... I'm out

That is not the question.Is it so hard to read?

The question wether or not you believe a God exists is not one of choice, but one of belief and how you choose to deal with that. There are people who believe in a god but do not choose to organize themselves in a religion, and the other way round there are even preachers in church who deny the true existence of a god.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 18):
And like a lot of Atheists, I am generally suspicious about the intelligence of people that do.

I dare to say 90% of the world's most famous wise and intelligent people (scientists/philosophers) in human history believed in one kind of god or another, quite arrogant to be suspicious then, don't you think?

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 18):

Additionally, I also believe that the nett contribution to humanity of organised religion is negative.

In what way? I believe you can even make the point that the nett contribution to humanity of organised humanity is negative.. wether or not it's religious, communist, fascist or whatever one can think of.
We tend to screw up from time to time. It doesn't matter under which flag or religion or ideology. When you say religion is actually invented by humans, one could even say religion is humanity. Why else do we continue to invent new ones to fill up our lives with?

Quoting photopilot (Reply 28):

Without doubt, religion(s) are the most evil force on the planet and basically the root of much of the planet's problems.

Have you heard of something called the Soviet Union, and what happened in there? Nazism and fascism, while using some religious arguments saying Jews were the ones who crucified Jesus, were more an ideology than a religion. And one can hardly call North Korea religious..

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 35):

It's a total waste of time for me, and I consider it to be for people who have no direction in their lives and need a book to know how to live their lives by.

Yeah, I consider that rude. The fact you defend your rudeness by mentioning the God Squadders you say you have met, doesn't speak for you either.. a true atheist makes up his own standards and chooses to live by them. You obviously don't?

Quoting dandaire (Reply 34):
As someone one said "Standing in Church every week no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you an automobile"

Great quote, got to remember that one. Big grin

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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 37):
I dare to say 90% of the world's most famous wise and intelligent people (scientists/philosophers) in human history believed in one kind of god or another, quite arrogant to be suspicious then, don't you think?

Would love to see this list and how you plucked 90% out of thin air. Why would it be arrogant to be suspiscious of someone who bases their life on something that isnt real. Would seem logical to me.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:56 pm

The funniest thing on the forum today is this thread that asks... "Do you believe in God?" and the thread that asks "Do you believe in Paranormal stuff?"

Excuse me for asking.... but aren't these two threads the same thing?  

[Edited 2012-02-18 07:57:30]
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:15 pm

No. There is little evidence in favor of the existence of a God, and the theories behind the concept of a God are not parsimonious, internally inconsistent, inconsistent with other very strong theories, and do not make testable predictions. As such, I do not value them very much.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 40):
There is little evidence

Lets make that no evidence.
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 39):
The funniest thing on the forum today is this thread that asks... "Do you believe in God?" and the thread that asks "Do you believe in Paranormal stuff?"

Excuse me for asking.... but aren't these two threads the same thing?

Basically, yes, the 2 threads could be merged. My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately we are technically unable to do so  
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 31):
All of them.

Come on, not even Zeus..? That god was a stereotypical frat brother, you know, banging all the chicks, golden showering everywhere when drunk...

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 11):
God is the creator of the world

So just the quantum fluctuations of the vacuum, then?
 
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:35 pm

Funny.... Science and theology merge in this one specific area. Scientists accept the concept of Infinity. So do those who believe in God.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 8):
To illustrate why I am a unwavering atheist due to what is in my opinion a pretty absurd concept, here's some even more absurd memes to help illustrate my perceived absurdity of religion/"god":

This sums up some of the logical loops that religion requires.

Let's examine "supernatural" for a moment. If something is "supernatural" then it cannot occur in nature. BUT... if it occurs, then it must occur in nature. So the very word is nonsensical.

But the crux is as follows: nobody has ever offered proof of God. As soon as someone does, I will believe. Until such a time, I will not believe.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 41):
Lets make that no evidence.

Just trying to be a bit diplomatic....
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
Scientists accept the concept of Infinity. So do those who believe in God.

No, the religious do not. If they did, then it would actually disprove God.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 45):
But the crux is as follows: nobody has ever offered proof of God. As soon as someone does, I will believe. Until such a time, I will not believe.

There is one story of a Scholar and an Atheist. Long ago an Atheist did not believe the existence of God. He asked a scholar for a debate about the existence of God. Among the questions are: “Does God exist?” and “If God exists then where is God?”

Then they decided when and where the debate takes place.

The Atheist and the villagers were waiting for the scholar, but the scholar did not come right on time. When the Atheist and the villagers thought that the scholar will not come for the debate, then the scholar showed up.

“I am sorry to keep you waiting for so long. But the rain is so heavy so the river floods. The bridge drifted away so I could not cross it. Thank God suddenly there was a big tree fell down. Then the branches cut out by themselves so the trunk was branchless. After that the trunk was cut and a hole was created so it became a boat. So I used the boat and crossed the river,” said the scholar.

The Atheist and the villagers were laughing. The Atheist said to the villagers, “This scholar is mad. How can a tree became a boat by itself with no one made it? How can a boat exist with no maker who made it?”

The villagers were laughing out loud.

After the people calmed down, the scholar said, “If you believe that the boat could not exist without its maker, then how could you believe the earth, sky, and its contents exist without its creator? Which is the most difficult to make? Making a boat or creating the earth, sky, and its contents?

Hearing that, they realized that they trapped with their own statement.

“Then answer my second question,” said the Atheist. “If God exists, why can’t He be seen? Where is God?” The Atheist thought since he cannot see God then God does not exist.

The scholar slapped the Atheist’s cheek hardly so the Atheist felt so much pain.

“Why did you slap me? It’s very painful”

The scholar asked, “There is no pain. I cannot see pain. Where is pain?”

“The pain is here,” the Atheist pointed his cheek.

“No, I cannot see pain. Do you see the pain?” asked the scholar to the villagers.

The villagers said, “No!”

“So, though we cannot see the pain does not mean that the pain does not exist. So is the God. Just because we cannot see the God does not mean that God does not exist. Though we cannot see Him, but we can see His creations.” Said the scholar.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting trav110 (Reply 5):
No. Show me some proof and I might reconsider, but I don't think that's possible.

Proof? Look at your natural surroundings, do you think it all happened by natural random acts of molecules connecting in a perfect functional way? An astrophyscist once figured out the chance of the universe coming together randomly was as likely as a blind man figuring out the Rubik's Cube.

Everything has a designer. If I ask you how was that building built? And you say well an architect designed it. I will ask how do you know that? You or I didn't see the architect design it, I didn't see the bricklayers, the electricians, the plumbers either but I have faith that they were there without actually having seen them.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
No, the religious do not. If they did, then it would actually disprove God.

I don't know what religious people you've been hanging around but every 'religious' person I've encountered believe G-d is infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful.
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RE: Do You Believe In God?

Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
Funny.... Science and theology merge in this one specific area. Scientists accept the concept of Infinity. So do those who believe in God.

Wait, how did we get to infinity? The concept of infinity does exist, but what is really infinite? Is the Universe infinite? Well, it's not infinitely old, but is it infinitely big? We can't tell for sure... However, we can make testable prediction and it's easy to show what it's not, provided we can observe something that contradicts a given theory.

No one has ever made one testable prediction regarding the (non-)existence of God.

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 48):
“So, though we cannot see the pain does not mean that the pain does not exist. So is the God. Just because we cannot see the God does not mean that God does not exist. Though we cannot see Him, but we can see His creations.” Said the scholar.

So like bacteria and viruses in the Middle Ages, then? Maybe God is Planck-length small we just need a bigger microscope   You know, that might be it, maybe there's something living at Planck-length scales, making non-random (as opposed to random) quantum fluctuations.

Simply put:
If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
There is evil in the world.
Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.

More complicated:

God exists.
God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
Evil exists (logical contradiction).

(all from wikipedia, the problem of evil)

The existence of God in the traditional Judaeo-Christian sense is illogical.

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