|Quoting mariner (Reply 206):|
I am not suggesting they give up sovereignty - share some of it, perhaps, or aspects of it, but not abandon
Here's the rub, once that happens enough Argentines to out vote the islanders in a referendum, which they'd demand. get rapidly shipped in.
Then the islanders would be isolated, excluded and generally pressured to be sent packing.
These are ideas that have emanated from some in Argentina, a reason why joint sovereignty has to be off the table.
As has been mentioned before, on issues beyond the Falklands too, Argentina currently has a government that is just too dishonest to negotiate with, they demand them, then reject when offered.
It's not only the UK that finds them difficult to impossible to work with.
It does not have to be that way, it hasn't been at times, even since the war.
Relations in the 1990's were much better, sure they did not give up their claims to sovereignty, but they were just more pragmatic, did not let the issue distort, damagingly, other areas of policy, basically acted with more maturity.
One result of this was an offer by the UK, accepted by Argentina, to co-operate and share, if exploitable oil reverses were found.
It made some political and a lot of economic/logistical sense.
Guess who tore that agreement up a few years later? The husband of the current Argentine President when he had that position.
To coin a phrase no doubt uttered by many in the UK Government, 'see what we have to deal with?'
This current ratcheting up, started entirely by the Argentine government, escalated rapidly by them in the past few years, is perhaps why, all things considered, many in the UK, including some on here, express exasperation. That might in print come over as aggressive.
You won't have seen it, but last year some writer, close to the Argentine government, came over here and did the rounds of the TV
studies. He was incredibly rude, arrogant, condescending, peddling falsehoods.
But another guest in one interview, was Simon Weston, a Welsh Guardsman who suffered horrific burns, with permanent tissue damage, including to his face, when the Sir Galahad was bombed.
His recovery was the subject of a documentary, the agony he went through at times was hard to watch.
He bears no grudges towards the Argentines, has been there since the war, his gentle rebuffing of the Argentine guest's points just provoked more rudeness.
In the end, Weston asked him to consider that making nice towards the islanders might be the only way to advance Argentina's case.
It was a rather good representation of the wider diplomatic side to this whole issue.
CFK and co really do act that that.
|Quoting NAV20 (Reply 209):|
I really do think that Argentina would be well advised to drop their insistence on gaining the 'Malvinas' and instead restore to the Falklanders the conveniences that they previously enjoyed (and paid Argentina for) - particularly things like education, medical care, and onward air transport. At the moment all those benefits are flowing to Chile, not Argentina.......
To do that would require rational thought and action by the current Argentine government.
|Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 228):|
So to summarize this thread,
1. Argentinians are incompetent people
2. Argentinians are extremely dumb for choosing the current government.
3. Argentina is a stupid third-world country that has no future whatsoever.
4. Argentinians are terrorists.
5. Spanish speakers (and specifically Argentinians) should not be allowed to say Las Malvinas, because its offensive against the British.
6. Argentinians are hopeless
7. Argentinians who believe the Falklands should belong to Argentina have absolutely nothing between their ears.
8. Argentinians are usually proud of their country, and that's terribly bad. Only British people are allowed to be proud of their country.
9. The British should teach Argentinians about their country, because Argentinians obviously have no idea about their country.
Heck, just attack Buenos Aires, if you are as brave as you think you are.
Only in A.net do you read this kind of stuff.
A deliberately distorted post.
Go on, show us where any UK member on the thread has advocated military action?
As for the rest, after plenty of threads, filled with historic details, you seem to put a hugely simplified and exaggerated slant on a lot of very detailed posts.
The current Argentine government stupid? Yes. See above.
The mobs with their insulting placards? They happen to be Argentine. Yes something of a lunatic fringe, everyone has them. Yet nothing comparable done in the UK.