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NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:47 am

Well this is certainly an eye-opener....


A Japanese news company reports that a boy, 11, in New Zealand, has fathered a child with his friend's mom, 36 years old. The report brought questions on why women cannot be charged with rape or statutory rape in NZ...

My question is this- and i guess pointed at DocLightning because he's a pediatrician- How the heck could an 11 year old produce enough sperm to successfully fertilize a female egg???????   

My other question is this- since the child is now under NZ Child Welfare, what's going to happen with the child to be born to the mother? I mean you certainly can't expect anyone any age in this circumstance to pay paternal child support (if that's even a law in NZ... i don't know how it goes down there), is the child to be born going to be taken in Welfare Service as well?

Certainly not something you hear about every day.

Edit- looks like the baby was born and immediately taken into Government Welfare care...


news source:
http://www.japantoday.com/category/w...d-boy-11-fathers-child-to-woman-36

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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:59 am

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890674

Read the second last paragraph.


The mother must have failed maths because the difference is half her age minus 7..... Disgusting really. My question is what on earth was the friend of the father doing all that time??
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:14 pm

I'm not sure about other men but I don't get how a man can be raped by a women, if I'm not interested in a chick I'm not interested, there's nothing she can do about it.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:23 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
How the heck could an 11 year old produce enough sperm to successfully fertilize a female egg???????

I´m not the Doc, but it seems and I´ve read that in the past few years fertility age has been steadily coming down. Here, a few months ago a 9 year old girl got pregant by a 17 year old boy. Something to do with the explosion of hormones in stuff we are exposed to daily that were not there a couple of decades ago.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:25 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 2):
I'm not sure about other men but I don't get how a man can be raped by a women, if I'm not interested in a chick I'm not interested, there's nothing she can do about it.

Coercion or taking advantage of (age in this case.) Of course, the latter is statutory rape but I'm not sure about the former. I think coercion could be grounds for rape... flip genders and (without getting too graphic) imagine a male using threats to force a woman to perform. That would be rape, would it not?

I'm not suggesting there was coercion, there may have, just answering your question. Looking at your question again, I think you may have been approaching it from another angle. Without getting graphic, again, I'm sure you could perform if you had to no matter how attracted you may be
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
I'm sure you could perform if you had to no matter how attracted you may be

Not sure if I follow you, if you're not attracted to someone performance is generally out of the question, unless of course you're very drunk then you often do things you're not impressed by the next morning.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:01 pm

The fact that women can't be charged with rape in the country sure sounds like an unfair law to me. Women should be held accountable same as men for every law, sexual or not.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
My question is this- and i guess pointed at DocLightning because he's a pediatrician- How the heck could an 11 year old produce enough sperm to successfully fertilize a female egg???????

When I was in residency, I had an 11yo patient who was 5'11" and shaving. I had a 13yo patient with chest hair and his beard fully grown in (and not just a bit of teen chest fuzz. I mean, he looked 23.) The 11yo wasn't sexually active, but the 13yo was. Sex is a very natural and powerful instinct, just like hunger for food. It's a bit frightening for me as a pediatrician in these cases because the sexual development is WAAAAAY ahead of the mental development. It's dicey enough when puberty hits at a normal age.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
I´m not the Doc, but it seems and I´ve read that in the past few years fertility age has been steadily coming down.

For girls, not boys. This isn't a trend for boys, really. But the age at onset of puberty is, like most things natural, a bell-shaped curve. There will be outliers in both direction (and it sucks either way). This kid must've been an outlier.

As a general guide, right about the time the voice breaks, there is enough sperm AND mature enough seminal fluid to support insemination. Sperm alone are not sufficient to cause insemination. The environment causes them to activate and behave in the necessary ways. They must be in complete seminal fluid to exhibit proper motility and activity.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:33 pm

This story is useless without pics of "mom"...
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:12 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Not sure if I follow you, if you're not attracted to someone performance is generally out of the question, unless of course you're very drunk then you often do things you're not impressed by the next morning.

If you had a gun to your head I'm sure you could make it work. You only need to use your mind. Closeted gays have made kids with wives. You get my jist. This is not really related to the topic at hand though. If anything, this is probably statutory rape, not forcible rape. We can continue the other convo in PM if you want, I have to refrain from graphic descriptions  
 
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:30 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Without getting graphic, again, I'm sure you could perform if you had to no matter how attracted you may be

Well OK, I'll bite...

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
If you had a gun to your head I'm sure you could make it work. You only need to use your mind.

This works both ways if you've never had occasion to need to do it. There are a number of things you can dedicate your thoughts to that will kill any response down there. It truly is a matter of mental effort and nothing else.

When I was younger and too sly for my own good, I was able to do that on a couple of occasions to get a girl to ask me "what's wrong?" when she was trying to elicit a very different reaction.
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:04 am

Anyone who thinks a man cannot be raped by a woman is an idiot. Even ignoring manual stimulation for arousal, vaginal intercourse is not the only way that rape can happen.

That being said it is probably far less common and probably less reported than men raping women (Which is also by all accounts extremely under reported and not prosecuted fully, which is a real shame. )

Is it true that NZ has no statutory rape laws?

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 11):

Is it true that NZ has no statutory rape laws?

They do, but nothing in the law provides for a woman raping a boy; whereas a man can be prosecuted for raping a girl... A woman in this case is charged with sexual violation.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 11):
Is it true that NZ has no statutory rape laws?
They do, but nothing in the law provides for a woman raping a boy; whereas a man can be prosecuted for raping a girl... A woman in this case is charged with sexual violation

You would think that in a country with significant rights for women, they would have 'gender neutral' laws as to sexual assault. I bet this may cause the laws to be changed in NZ to include where an adult woman having sex with a well underaged minor can be felony sexual assault.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:14 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 13):
I bet this may cause the laws to be changed in NZ to include where an adult woman having sex with a well underaged minor can be felony sexual assault.

Highly probable:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890674

The case has caused counsellors working in the area of child sexual abuse to highlight the lack of attention given to women as potential offenders.

It has prompted Justice Minister Judith Collins to step in saying she will seek more information on the law. "This case raises an important point. I will seek advice from officials on whether or not a law change is required."

And it has also highlighted disparity in the law of rape, which makes it impossible for a woman to be accused of the crime.

Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force sex. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years but only men can be charged with rape. In contrast, women who force an unwilling partner to have sex face charges of sexual violation.


The several experts quoted in the article believe a change in the law needs to happen.

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:33 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Coercion or taking advantage of (age in this case.) Of course, the latter is statutory rape but I'm not sure about the former. I think coercion could be grounds for rape

I can't speak for the USA (although I imagine it varies state to state) but in Australia there is no mens rea element to statutory rape and it is a strict liability offence. Therefore "coercion" or even "intention" is not relevant.

Quite simply, had this occurred in the State of New South Wales [as it is the jurisdiction I'm most familiar with] then the women would get 16 years, no iffs no buts no defences: s66C(1) Crimes Act. Every Australian jurisdiction has materially similar provisions.

If the present facts were tried in this jurisdiction then it would be a open and shut case.

Of course, though, most statutory rape cases aren't that simple, due to the normal issues with rape cases (most notably, the defence attorney trying to upset and confuse the victim while on the stand in order to try and cast doubt on their testimony given that in virtually all cases the evidence is of a "he said she said" nature) and also the fact that a lot of potential statutory rape situations arise where the two parties to the act are sufficiently close in age that even though it is technically illegal, policy grounds suggest that (so long as sexual activity was consensual) it is appropriate in the circumstances to accept that the sexual conduct was based on natural love and affection.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 13):
You would think that in a country with significant rights for women, they would have 'gender neutral' laws as to sexual assault. I bet this may cause the laws to be changed in NZ to include where an adult woman having sex with a well underaged minor can be felony sexual assault

I am truly shocked and, to be blunt, disappointed that this is the case.

I take some heart from the fact that the Justice Minister said that she will intends to change the law so that this can't happen again.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 11):
Anyone who thinks a man cannot be raped by a woman is an idiot. Even ignoring manual stimulation for arousal, vaginal intercourse is not the only way that rape can happen.

That being said it is probably far less common and probably less reported than men raping women

Without wanting to call kiwirob an idiot, I agree with what you say.

As DeltaMD90 suggested coercion and threat of force are two examples where a male might be raped. This is because consent was based on the fear of repercussion rather than being free willed. In such cases, consent is ineffective, and is therefore deemed to have never been provided.

For more "physical" acts, I will refer to the sanitised version of events in s61H(1) of the above act:

(1) For the purposes of this Division [i.e. rape statute],
"sexual intercourse" means:

(a) sexual connection occasioned by the penetration to any extent of the genitalia (including a surgically constructed vagina) of a female person or the anus of any person by:

(i) any part of the body of another person, or
[Note: ANY body part, it DOES NOT have to be a penis]

(ii) any object manipulated by another person,
[Note: any object manipulated by another person, inserting a toothbrush is sufficient]

except where the penetration is carried out for proper medical purposes, or

(b) sexual connection occasioned by the introduction of any part of the penis of a person into the mouth of another person, or
[note oral sex = rape, does not have to vaginal or anal]

(c) cunnilingus, or

(d) the continuation of sexual intercourse as defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c).
[Note: if they are have consensual sex and the person WITHDRAWS consent - change their mind - and the other party does not stop that becomes rape]

Hopefully you can see from the above some physical acts that a women can perpetuate that could give rise to allegations of rape.

In this current case there is no question that there was rape. Whether the boy "enjoyed it" or "wanted it" is irrelevant. The law considers people under the age of consent to be mentally incapable of giving consent. That, in effect, is what statutory rape provides: even if there was express consent it was ineffective, and the accused therefore prima facie engaged in a sexual act without consent

Of course there is a certain degree of legal fiction there, which is why the law ignores two consenting parties who are close in age, but when there is a significantly large age gap (as there was in this case) there is no question in the eyes of the law that there was rape for want of effective consent.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:03 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
When I was in residency, I had an 11yo patient who was 5'11" and shaving. I had a 13yo patient with chest hair and his beard fully grown in (and not just a bit of teen chest fuzz. I mean, he looked 23.)

I've seen this with a neighborhood kid. It seemed like last summer he was a little kid. Now he's about 6' and 170lbs or so. And he's only 14. Full beard, etc. I asked the neighborhood busybody "whatever happened to that little kid who used to play around the house on the corner? she said "well that tall guy who's working on his dad's car is that little kid!"

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:43 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 16):
It seemed like last summer he was a little kid. Now he's about 6' and 170lbs or so.

Yeah. When they grow, they go fast.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):

Quite simply, had this occurred in the State of New South Wales [as it is the jurisdiction I'm most familiar with] then the women would get 16 years, no iffs no buts no defences: s66C(1) Crimes Act. Every Australian jurisdiction has materially similar provisions.

Where as in Norway you'd be unlucky to get 2 years, in a recent case where a mayor was convicted of raping a girl since she was 13, he got 15 months and is likely to get out before 12 months are up.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 11):
Anyone who thinks a man cannot be raped by a woman is an idiot. Even ignoring manual stimulation for arousal, vaginal intercourse is not the only way that rape can happen.

Unless she's butt ugly or the bloke is gay I'm sure most men would enjoy it  
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:29 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
Unless she's butt ugly or the bloke is gay I'm sure most men would enjoy it


The boy in question reported it to his headmaster, without any prompting, because, he said, "it needs to stop."

This suggests that - whether he enjoyed it or not - he knew it to be improper.

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 2):
I'm not sure about other men but I don't get how a man can be raped by a women, if I'm not interested in a chick I'm not interested, there's nothing she can do about it.
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Coercion or taking advantage of (age in this case.) Of course, the latter is statutory rape but I'm not sure about the former. I think coercion could be grounds for rape... flip genders and (without getting too graphic) imagine a male using threats to force a woman to perform. That would be rape, would it not?
Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
The boy in question reported it to his headmaster, without any prompting, because, he said, "it needs to stop."

I've heard of a few ways men were 'raped:"
1) the woman slipped him some viagra in his drink, and/or got him piss drunk
2) The gun to the head thing (which causes the penis to become erect out of sheer fear, reportedly)
and 3) The boy sort of does it out of pressure or curiosity (remember this kid's 11) and does it repeatedly....and Im sure he enjoyed it with that woman but he clearly felt horribly shameful about it (which yeah you shouldn't be doing that)....

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
It's a bit frightening for me as a pediatrician in these cases because the sexual development is WAAAAAY ahead of the mental development. It's dicey enough when puberty hits at a normal age.

That's what I'm worried about with this next generation.....they simply cry when they break up with their bf or gf....dude i had cried when my pokemon got killed when i was 10!!!

Quoting johns624 (Reply 8):
This story is useless without pics of "mom"...

She's remained anonymous and the police aren't releasing her name  
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
My question is this- and i guess pointed at DocLightning because he's a pediatrician- How the heck could an 11 year old produce enough sperm to successfully fertilize a female egg???????

I think the problem with most 11 year old males is to get them to stop producing sperm? Seems it's a prime form of recreation at that age. Certainly by 13 or so, no?

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
The boy in question reported it to his headmaster

Ahh so many places one can go with that line...  

Edited to add that ironically enough, here in the US, today is "Father's Day". It's already a pretty confusing day in certain parts of town, now this!

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force sex. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years but only men can be charged with rape. In contrast, women who force an unwilling partner to have sex face charges of sexual violation.

So even without considering age there is a gaping hole in the law. If a woman drugs, immobilizes an unwilling man by whatever means, then shoves a big dildo/broomstick/fist in his ass, that's not rape ? Shocking.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
If a woman drugs, immobilizes an unwilling man by whatever means, then shoves a big dildo/broomstick/fist in his ass, that's not rape ? Shocking.

I've never heard of that ever happening, I'm sure it probably has but what male would ever admit to it happening and want to report it?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:10 pm

That's not the point really, for that crime the sex of the offender, like for 99,99% of crimes, is irrelevant.
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
1) the woman slipped him some viagra in his drink, and/or got him piss drunk
2) The gun to the head thing (which causes the penis to become erect out of sheer fear, reportedly)
and 3) The boy sort of does it out of pressure or curiosity (remember this kid's 11) and does it repeatedly....and Im sure he enjoyed it with that woman but he clearly felt horribly shameful about it (which yeah you shouldn't be doing that)....

You blokes must have extraordinary self-control.

When I was younger, I could get it up in the middle of an earthquake (and did, once). It was easy enough to be aroused - and by someone I didn't necessarily have the boiling hots for.

I'm not sexually turned on by women, but there have been several occasions when determined women have been able to turn me on and from then on, it's not exactly an obstacle course.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:06 am

I think the point is being missed here.

No-one is doubting that he was not sexually attracted to this lady at certain times. This is also not uncommon in rape charges when a female minor is involved. The critical element is statuatory rape.

Often, in thiese cases, the victim is fully, "consensual" but by law they are not mentally developed enough to make those choices. Hence the suffering tends to come in a psychological form, (the lasting efects of rape are rarely physical)

There was a case in Australia brought on by a female towards her swimming coach. She was of about the same age as this boy. A component of the defences argument cited that she had an orgasm on several occasions, which she did not deny. I think in this case, this kind of situation can change the charge from "aggravated" rape but it's still rape.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:00 am

I know in the USA, there has been a number of cases of female schoolteachers (from ages 23-30's) who have had sexual acts with minor males (from age 12-16), in some cases creating children. These women have faced very sensational court trials and significant jail time.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 27):
I know in the USA, there has been a number of cases of female schoolteachers (from ages 23-30's) who have had sexual acts with minor males (from age 12-16), in some cases creating children. These women have faced very sensational court trials and significant jail time.

As well they should, in the US and every country. The fact that she cannot be charged in NZ is a huge red flag, and truly shocking from such an advanced, equal country.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:31 pm

There should be a sanction to show that this is not acceptable, but I question the huge sentences some suggest here. It really depends on the situation, and I doubt that this boy would cope better if he knew his lover/mother of his child will be behind bars for decades "because" of him. In France rape cases are often downgraded to a "délit" (delict, less serious than a crime, maximum 10 years sentence), that is below a crime and is judged without a jury and more quickly, for the sake of the victim. It also gives a better chance of the accused admitting his crime and repenting, which again can help the victim. Finally it also allows a better chance of conviction.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:30 pm

What I'm wondering is if the young man will have to pay child support at a later date, obviously he can't now.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting johns624 (Reply 8):
This story is useless without pics of "mom"...

Of course.

Could change the entire course of the discussion and make things a lot more clear. *cough*
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
When I was in residency, I had an 11yo patient who was 5'11" and shaving. I had a 13yo patient with chest hair and his beard fully grown in (and not just a bit of teen chest fuzz. I mean, he looked 23.) The 11yo wasn't sexually active, but the 13yo was. Sex is a very natural and powerful instinct, just like hunger for food. It's a bit frightening for me as a pediatrician in these cases because the sexual development is WAAAAAY ahead of the mental development. It's dicey enough when puberty hits at a normal age.

Since becoming a father for the first time 2 1/2 years ago, one of the more shocking things was how often my kid had an erection when I changed a diaper. Or, just how interested he was in his penis. I can't speak to how potent children are sexually, but anyone arguing that a young boy has much, if any, control over his sexual urges at 2, 10, 12, 13, etc. I think it's not much. And, if he's able to impregnate a woman at that age, he was surely abused by her.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
The case has caused counsellors working in the area of child sexual abuse to highlight the lack of attention given to women as potential offenders.

As well they should. In practice I think younger men chuckle at it as if it's the sleep with teacher fantasy, but if it was my kid, he's 11, she got him to make her pregnant by molesting him, and I had to raise the kid when I was 50 something. I think any of them would have a much different opinion. It's molestation. She deserves the exact same punishment as if a 36 year old man raped an 11 year old girl.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:43 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 31):
Quoting johns624 (Reply 8):
This story is useless without pics of "mom"...

Of course.

So far this is the only thing I have found:

Others will have to confirm the identities but this picture was connected with a story on the topic.
http://news.priyo.com/2013/06/16/11-...ld-child-becomes-father-79051.html

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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:27 am

One question I've always had concerning stories like this....

Where were these types of women when I was growing up??
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 26):
Often, in thiese cases, the victim is fully, "consensual" but by law they are not mentally developed enough to make those choices. Hence the suffering tends to come in a psychological form, (the lasting efects of rape are rarely physical)

Agree. Without trying to sound like a total douche, most 11 or 12 year olds would jump at the opportunity to get it on with a friend's average or above looking mum. Do they regret it later when they find her less attractive? Probably, but at that age if you get ANY woman into bed, your the king in the school yard.

I don't agree or condone with what the mum did, but I'm sure that the boy involved was not opposed to the act every single time, so in this sense was probably consensual. If he was really a un-consenting victim, he would have raised the issue after the first encounter not after numerous occasions.

P.S. I think the mum should be charged for taking advantage of a kid who is not mentally developed. I just don't like the way the kid is classed as a 'victim' when in my understanding, in his mind he's not really (Just a guy who doesn;t know how to break it off)
 
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:54 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 33):

I think that photo refers to another case of an 11 yo I think from UK from a couple of years back.. But the girl was a teenager and not 36..
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:02 am

In the US laws say that under the influence of drugs and alcohol that sex isn't consensual. Man or Woman could claim rape after the fact, however women make up a majority of the the rape incidents.

Albeit rare I've heard of women raping men but it's very low... even more rare is forcible rape woman to man. I'd have to Imagine that's mostly older women to child, there are women strong enough to overtake a guy rare but it happens. Just my 2 cents.

[Edited 2013-06-17 18:04:31]
 
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 33):
So far this is the only thing I have found:

Others will have to confirm the identities but this picture was connected with a story on the topic.
http://news.priyo.com/2013/06/16/11-...ld-child-becomes-father-79051.html
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 36):
I think that photo refers to another case of an 11 yo I think from UK from a couple of years back.. But the girl was a teenager and not 36..

NZ107, that was my first thought when I saw the picture. I remember that making its rounds in the media a few years ago. The girl was about 16 years old. IIRC, it turned out that the boy wasn't the father after all.
 
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:11 pm

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 37):
In the US laws say that under the influence of drugs and alcohol that sex isn't consensual.

Don't people sign agreements before having sex in the US ?

After a little googling it seems some do : http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=128101&page=1
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 30):
What I'm wondering is if the young man will have to pay child support at a later date, obviously he can't now.

No. Since this was a statutory rape case, there's no grounds for him to be able to be responsible for this child.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 34):
Where were these types of women when I was growing up??

   Now psychologically, these kids could have problems....and may have some issues later in life....stuff like this has a huge mental effect on a child.
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 33):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 36):
Quoting TLG (Reply 38):

He was 13 and she was 15 and, as said, he wasn't the daddy.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...er-of-baby-he-thought-was-his.html
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:22 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
No. Since this was a statutory rape case, there's no grounds for him to be able to be responsible for this child.

But of you read the article statutory rape doesn't exist in NZ for female to male intercourse. My guess is that when he's 18 he will have to help, it also appears that he was willing then wanted out.
 
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RE: NZ Boy, 11, Fathers Child With Friend's Mom

Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:57 pm

Just a quick input, for an 11 year old boy, if he feels a breeze of ANY sort, his parts will "react" and at times with NO control of his own... remember in the 4th or 5th grade being called up to the chalk board when you had one of those "reactions"? So, a boy/man can be raped and still (unwillingly) be effective. As was the case in the movie "Discolusre" with Michael Douglas and Demi Moore. He said "no" like 30-40 times, but was still "reactive" (remembered and used that movie reference to prove no matter how old you are, things will have a mind of their own.)

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