|Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 46):|
I mean, as tax payers, the ones paying the bills, dont we have an innate right to know everything our government is doing?
Depends. Don't you believe there are things that tell the public nothing useful but jeopardize lives? I think it's gone overboard in many areas, but secrets have their places. I'm sure that's what you meant though
|Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 50):|
95% of what you post is your opinion on America. Again there's nothing wrong with that, but it should explain to you why you're fed that steady diet to feed your hunger. Once you start letting it not be important, those who need to sell their soap will find something else to entertain your senses and brain with.
I kinda agree with AeroWesty, pvjin. I am pretty patriotic and in the military but I completely understand criticism of our government and its flaws... it's what makes a democracy honest and healthy. I have my disagreements too. But you come across as extremely one sided. A lot of your points I understand, many I agree with in theory, but you often take it to the extreme and will exaggerate the bad and barely mention the good, if at all. It's hard to debate with someone like that.
I can easily accept that the US military makes mistakes (yes, many if not most are mistakes, they happen in war, which is why war should be the last resort but that's for another thread) and I can accept that they often don't mention them... but at least acknowledge that it may be to try and quell civilian anger or save face, and trust me, every unit I've seen gives many briefs about helping the locals and avoiding harming them in any way.
You may disagree with them trying to save face or not mentioning atrocities, but come one, at least acknowledge the probable reasons why and avoid the tired corrupt old generals hate civilians or whatever crap. I won't deny there are bad people and lots of politicians in the high ranks, but the generals and admirals I've met actually do care about the population... most started off as low ranking, caring, uncorrupt servicemembers.
Just a suggestion, I think we could exchange a lot more dialogue that way. You may understand us a bit better too... not saying to accept our views or anything, just understand where we are coming from