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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:48 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 49):
During my trip to California last month i saw a few Volt cars on the roads so maybe things are starting to change

I best most of those Volt drivers have a 2nd. car as well. Also California has a lot of environmentalist with disposable income. Not an accurate sample of the US overall.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:08 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 48):
I had to pull my choke early in the morning before heading off to school.

My lawn mower had one. I had to do it before mowing the lawn, but made sure the neighbors didn't see me.     
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 51):
made sure the neighbors didn't see me.

Umm, what kind of grass were you cutting?
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:13 pm

Were curb feelers ever popular?

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/408/4649/38519824020_large.jpg

Quoting Superfly (Reply 52):
Umm, what kind of grass were you cutting?

Regular grass. I didn't want them to see me playing around with my choke.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Were curb feelers ever popular?

They were popular in Gary in the 70s & early 80s.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Regular grass. I didn't want them to see me playing around with my choke.

I'm sure someone has it on video.  
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:30 pm

Here's a few I could think of...


Before fuel injection (and computers) took over, it was Carburetors:



From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:
http://tarheeltigers.org/THTWP/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chuck_Jording_1967_Bonneville1.jpg


To allow for three to sit in the bench seat up front, Column-shift automatic transmission, no console:


Some cars and trucks even had Column-shift manual transmission!


To see in the winter without breath freezing on the inside of the windows, Frost Shields were available:
http://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/FrostShieldsNov301955.jpg



None of today's bulbous, lumpy, crowded dashboards... there were wide, Flat topped dashboards, and sweeping rectangular speedometers:



Metal bumpers that you weren't afraid of scratching on a concrete support column in a tight parking garage (after all it is a bumper):



Cars once extended aft of the rear wheels, and tail lights often spanned the width of the car:
(most newer cars do not even hear rear quarter panels... the plastic bumper wraps all way around to the rear wheels)
http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/423284_15236985_1970_Chrysler_300%2Bhurst%2Bedition.jpg


Cars also extended forward of the front wheels, and some featured hidden lights:



Customizing Vans was cool:
http://hooniverse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dodge-interior.png
http://www.omega-level.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star-Wars-Themed-Van..jpg


And who could forget about Chrysler's infamous "Voice Alert" system in their 1980s cars:
(a door is a door, and not a jar)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpfUuRg1VE





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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.

That's fake chrome, not real chrome.
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 45):
Manual Choke
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Metal bumpers that you weren't afraid of scratching on a concrete support column in a tight parking garage (after all it is a bumper):

What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):

From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:

That photo of the '67 Pontiac reminds me that factory-installed fender skirts are another thing no longer seen today.
 
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:08 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

My best guess: 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis... by '91 the chrome bumper was almost concealed by plastic, with the restyle in '92, the metal bumper was totally concealed by plastic.

Aside from trucks, anything newer than this with a chrome bumper?

1991 Mercury Grand Marquis:

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/418837_15140713_1991_Mercury_Grand%2BMarquis.jpg





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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:19 am

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function

It did help insulate against noise and heat.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
hearses still make use of vinyl roofs because it is a classic look on those vehicles, but also for practical reasons, as they cover up the welds in the roofs of such vehicles.

Maybe not so much anymore. Last year we bought one of the end-of-the-road Cadillac Devilles (pardon the pun) with coachwork by Eagle. No Vinyl top! No whitewall tires. Yea!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
I'd like to see a return of the loose cushion, button down leather or velour seating surface.



Yes. That biscuit pattern in leather was great. I really miss REAL cloth seats like Cadillac's brocade. Hate velour.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.

Some of the manufacturers made use of heavily padded vinyl roofs way back in the thirties. Buick, Packard, Cadillac and Lincoln all did.
Cadillac had offered the vinyl roof all along on the series 62's, De Ville, Fleetwoods, etc. In about 1964 they began to seperate the heavy padded vinyl roofs and only offered them on the Fleetwood Sixty Special Brougham series along with amenities such as picnic tables and foot rests, reading lights, etc.. The plain Fleetwood Sixty Specials did not have vinyl roofs.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham

Great cars! That body style was really nice even if a bit underpowered. That took some getting used to because back in the ambulance days we ran Olds Ninety-Eight Combinations with 455's in them doing about 375 horsepower. Considering what nice cars they were the old ones could really pound the earth if you put your foot in it.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 29):
the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!

Ha. 'Po folks airy conditionin back in the fifties and sixties. I recall some of the GM products of the fifties had the scoops above the headlight lenses and a screen to keep out f/o's. Some popped-up just below the windsheild.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 31):
I remember calling those the 'cigarette window'.

Yes. The best were the Towncars of the 1970's IMO. I was doing a lot of smoking back then. 
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Carburetors:

Good riddance!
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

Which is now made of plastic (and would melt if a lighter from a different car was inserted). To avoid this, the "power ports" have a recessed center (positive) contact, which a flat coil-element cigarette lighter cannot make contact with. The problem is, some older 12 volt power plugs are also too wide to make contact to charge a phone, power a GPS etc.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.

With today's portable gadgets, this is now a bonus for kids to power games and mp3 players in the back seat... what goes around, comes around.  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.

Apparently the Ford magnetic checkerboard "recreation table" for station wagon jump seats was a very rare option, and worth a fortune if it can be found today!






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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:00 am

A few other relics of the past:

Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/classic-tech/103677d1278286428-silver-button-next-brake-pedal-70-mach-1-button.jpg


Steering wheel horn ring ('57 Cadillac)




Vent windows




Wraparound windshield ('58 Chevy)



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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:16 am

Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:21 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

The Ford Probes until the end of production in about 1996 had hidden headlights.

Not a 'style' item is the practical end of 'fishing pole' metal radio antennas. Either wires embedded into the windshield, (GM Started doing that in the early 1970's I recall), in more recent years 'euro' black, swept back, roof mounted ones, or small pods mainly for satellite radio.

In part style are radios with dials, 2 knobs one for volume/on/off, with the inner one on the volume knob for tone range and a 2nd for tuning the radio. Now 'sound systems' in cars are so complex they are dangerous to use if driving.

Simple heat/defrosters controls. As with modern sound systems, and sometime part of it, too complicated to use while driving without killing yourself.

Metal hubcaps/wheel covers. Either they are made mostly of plastic or you have aluminum/alloy wheels.

Hood ornaments. Rocket ships, 'bulleyes', miniature statues, and so on, gone due to danger to pedestrians or just not a part of modern style. Now you maybe have a small badge or worse a car brand symbol like a oversized codpiece in the grill.

Easy to see though back windows. Now many cars have high, narrow back windows so cannot judge well how far behind you another car, object is there, especially when parking so you end up with 'bumper rash'.

Hand or foot mounted parking/emergency brake. Now some cars now use a electric parking brake system. Another thing to go wrong and worse, they cannot provide an 'emergency' function.
 
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:27 am

How about bench seats, in the front.


The whole bench slid forward and back when you adjusted it.


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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:19 am

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Before fuel injection (and computers) took over, it was Carburetors:

I like the sound of a 4 barrel carburetor secondaries opening up when you step on the gas.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:

I have that on my car as well. It's also more stylish to have them hidden.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
To allow for three to sit in the bench seat up front, Column-shift automatic transmission, no console:

Much more comfortable too. I see no point in having a console on anything other than a sports car.
Those center consoles and gear shifters get in the way if the girlfriend wants to fondle me.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Cars also extended forward of the front wheels, and some featured hidden lights:

Good choice of car for that photo.  
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
And who could forget about Chrysler's infamous "Voice Alert" system in their 1980s cars:
(a door is a door, and not a jar) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpfU...Rg1VE

My 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible had hat feature. It was more sophisticated by 1987. It would say;
"Please close your driver's side door".
"Please close your passenger door".

One day the system went haywire and said; "Please close your rear passenger side door".  Wow!
This was a 2 door convertible.

I miss that car despite all the headache it gave me.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

The 1996 Buick Park Avenue and LeSabre.
As long as you didn't get the sporty Ultra trim level.


Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 58):
Yes. That biscuit pattern in leather was great. I really miss REAL cloth seats like Cadillac's brocade.

Chrysler had the best!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 58):
Great cars! That body style was really nice even if a bit underpowered.

A 455cu" will fit under that hood.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 59):
Apparently the Ford magnetic checkerboard "recreation table" for station wagon jump seats was a very rare option, and worth a fortune if it can be found today!

It was featured in the brochure for several years. It doesn't seem like it would be expensive at all.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 60):
Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch

That's what I have but it has a fancy rubber cover on it.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 63):
The whole bench slid forward and back when you adjusted it.

The 50/50 split bench seat is a much better idea. It 'looks' like a bench but is two separate seats with their own power controls.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.

I my car has 4 lighters as well.
The brochure and on the fuse panel, it says 'cigar lighter'. Hence the target buyer was rich fat-cats that chomped on cigars and wore plaid suits. You know those kinda guys I'm talking about.
What's amazing is the size of the front ashtray. It's big enough to fit a cantaloupe.
It even lights up when you open it so you can see where to put your ashes while smoking your cigar. Luckily the previous owner was not a smoker.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

I was always a fan of the hidden headlights - my 1985 Toyota Supra and my 1988 Honda Prelude both had them.
 
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:05 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 65):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

I was always a fan of the hidden headlights - my 1985 Toyota Supra and my 1988 Honda Prelude both had them.

Keep in mind the difference between concealed headlights and pop-up headlights.
The concealed headlights like on the older Lincolns and Chryslers were stationary and didn't move. Only the doors.
Pop-up headlights that were most commonly on sports cars, the whole headlight it's self moved.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:33 am

A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Separate keys for the ignition and locks. All cars seem to have one key for everything.

Just a basic old fashioned mechanical clock.

Seat belt interlock. This was a device in mid 70's cars that would not let you start the engine unless everyone in the front seat had their seat belts fastened.

See-no-evil speedometers. They only went up to 85 MPH.

Bumper jacks. Much easier to use than today's pantograph jacks, though not as safe.

Tire irons. To use with the above mentioned bumper jack, pry off the hubcap, and to loosen/tighten the lug nuts.

Full size spare tire. Some vehicles may still have them.

Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.
 
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:50 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):

I have to admit that the 2CV was neat - I understand that the front seats popped out for use at a picnic. The most interesting part:

Quote:

Citroën unveiled the 2CV—signifying two fiscal horsepower, initially only 12 hp (8.9 kW))—at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car became a bestseller, achieving the designer's aim of providing rural French people with a motorized alternative to the horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën[

There were quite a few attempts at cars in Europe aimed at farmers during this time, when farms over here transitioned from horses to tractors.. E.g. the first Landrover was build in the same year as a machine for light field work (including ploughing if the soil wasn´t too hard and it even had a power takeoff to power e.g. threshing machines), which also would allow the farmer to drive to the market in town with some produce (the Land Rover Series 1 was designed to do the abovementioned farm work, plus being a pickup where the farmer could load two sheep in the back).

With the 2CV the high profile came apparently from a spec which should allow thje farmer to wear a tophat for festive occasions.

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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
Keep in mind the difference between concealed headlights and pop-up headlights.
The concealed headlights like on the older Lincolns and Chryslers were stationary and didn't move. Only the doors.
Pop-up headlights that were most commonly on sports cars, the whole headlight it's self moved.

Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Yeah. That was kind of odd although it did keep the kids out. Just about guaranteed the box would get torn-off in a theft.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.

Learned to drive with one of those. Made it easy to do doughnuts!

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Tire irons

Came in real handy if you broke down in East Point as well.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:22 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Don't forget the Opel GT....

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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:53 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Full size spare tire. Some vehicles may still have them.

I think the up-market luxury cars still come with a full-size spare.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Seat belt interlock. This was a device in mid 70's cars that would not let you start the engine unless everyone in the front seat had their seat belts fastened.

I think that was for the 1974 model year only. That year had all sorts of quirks in regards to seat belts.
When I was a kid, we had a 1974 AMC Hornet hatchback. The engine wouldn't start if you sat in the driver's seat. I remember my mother had to stand outside and reach in to start the ignition. Something was wrong with the seatbelt sensor.
I also had a 1974 Lincoln Mark IV. The buzzer and fasten seat belts light would go off buzzing depending on my position in the seat. Happened a lot when taking corners or going over bumps.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Those were sweet!   

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Came in real handy if you broke down in East Point as well.

I assume you meant for self protection.  

In fact, my 1974 Lincoln Mark IV gave me another problem. The gear shifter on the steering column broke and went all the way to 6 o'clock. I ended up using the tire rod iron as a gear shifter for almost a year.
I ended up selling the car to a homeless lady in Golden Gate Park.




Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.

The only car I've been in like this was a 1947 Plymouth in Havana, Cuba.
It most likely had a Soviet Zil diesel engine. This was my ride back to the airport to catch the Cubana IL-62.
This was in 2001.

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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I assume you meant for self protection.  

You know it!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I ended up selling the car to a homeless lady in Golden Gate Park.

She might still have it.
Way back when I traded a lot. Would get tired of a car and get a different one all the time. Sometimes three in a year.
I traded a beautiful '67 Coupe de Ville in on a '70 Eldo. A couple of years later I was at a shopping center and spotted the car by a dent I had put in the back bumper. I stood by for a few minutes and a little bitty old lady shuffled up to get in the car. I told her the story and she said she LOVED the car, it NEVER gave her any trouble and she drove it to B-ham every weekend to visit her grandchildren. I bet she had it until the day she died. That car was superb.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
Those were sweet!   

Had a green '69 Riv. GS for a while. Maxed-out with options. That car was FAAAAAAAST!
The '70 Eldo I had was a Champagne Metallic color---very "plain-jane" looking. But look-out-----I left many a punk with a Chevelle 396 at a traffic light and freaked 'em out! Talk about hearing all four barrels------that thing was awesome! Just keep it in a straight-line!  
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:43 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

So did the early Corvette Stingrays - starting in 1963. Those may have been the coolest hidden headlights ever.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
You know it!

I'm sure today there would be lawsuits if cars still came with these.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
She might still have it.
Way back when I traded a lot. Would get tired of a car and get a different one all the time. Sometimes three in a year.
I traded a beautiful '67 Coupe de Ville in on a '70 Eldo. A couple of years later I was at a shopping center and spotted the car by a dent I had put in the back bumper. I stood by for a few minutes and a little bitty old lady shuffled up to get in the car. I told her the story and she said she LOVED the car, it NEVER gave her any trouble and she drove it to B-ham every weekend to visit her grandchildren. I bet she had it until the day she died. That car was superb.

That's a great story. My story didn't end so well. When she gave me the $300 (my selling price) and I handed her the pink slip, she says; "Finally I have a place to pee!"
  
I was thinking my goodness, my poor car!   
It had seen better days. I bought it for $700 in 1995. It was the car I moved to San Francisco in.
The silver metallic had already faded in to a naval ship grey, the vinyl top was all tattered and the burgundy velour interior was already dusty & faded. Yet that car still ran like new as those 460s with straight exhaust and 4bbl carb were bulletproof and fast for a 5400 pound car.
I had it for a year & a half until I bought a 1977 Mark V. I was moving up.  

I'd love to have a 1970 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible. That is one beautiful work of art.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
Had a green '69 Riv. GS for a while. Maxed-out with options. That car was FAAAAAAAST!
The '70 Eldo I had was a Champagne Metallic color---very "plain-jane" looking. But look-out-----I left many a punk with a Chevelle 396 at a traffic light and freaked 'em out! Talk about hearing all four barrels------that thing was awesome! Just keep it in a straight-line!

You've had some sweet cars!  
Any chance of getting another car from this era?
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:14 pm

Cool topic; I'm sorry that my computer has been down foe a while.

A few notes (in no particular order but starting off with vinyl top appliques):
1. When I was at Ford Styling in the '60s, the marketing-types realized this would be a saleable option in mass production and a smart plant manager got an audience with the suits with the fact that "you know, it will actually cost less to produce the vehicle with a phoney convertible top than spend the welding/leading/surfacing/painting time to class-A surface the joints between the roof panel stamping, the upper quarter panels (and in some cases, the tulip panel)". Not only did they save money on the assembly line, but gouged the customer with a dollars added option. I'm entirely sure that it was the same at all the Detroit autos (actually, I'm not entirely sure it was a FoMoCo thing originally), but the rest is history....the bad-taste option thrived. Well, I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.
2. Cigarette lighters (I remember all the companies calling them cigar lighters, but could be wrong). I can remember strippers not having them, but first became aware of "the" controversy when Malcolm Bricklin made a big deal about none of his cars being made available with a cigar lighter (an anti-tobacconist, he was) at any option price. Now, as has been mentioned before here, one usually must order the "smoker's package". Let's see, no cigar lighters but 8 cup holders that will fit a can of beer so conveniently.
3. Front vent windows. More a cost savings measure than anything else. True around the time of their demise, air conditioning was becoming more and more popular.
4. Power windows. Consumer expects it, but here again one can factor in a cost balance. The new lighter weight (and pretty cheap) tape drive operationals allow a near-flush as per costs ove hand-crank. As a matter of fact, the systems are lighter than crank drive (remember when specific class drag racers would always order power windows on their new cars because of the few pounds weight savings?).
5. Plastic chrome bumpers. Second surface chrome plating of plastic has been around seemingly forever. Hell, you can chrome plate a sheet of typing paper nowadays. Point is, that the process has been used on grilles, taillight bezels, tons of interior apps and so on. More recently, the process is so perfected that large, large areas of RIM (reaction injection molded, and similar plastics) can be Class A plated quite easily (although at a cost penalty). The only other drawback to say, a bumper end cap, is that the chrome will crack if the plastic flexes beyond a certain stress point during impact. Impact? Ain't that what bumpers are for?
6. T-tops and screaming chickens on PontiacTrans Am hoods? Hold on guys...my ex college roommate designed that chicken I'll have you know, and I built the first (and following 49) prototype T-top Trans Ams. Burt Reynolds was proud of us and you guys ain't?
7. The louvres on the "flat-back, fast-back" rear windows. Was it not Giugarro or another famous Italian designer that debuted that style on a Lamborghini Miura? Please help from the group here, I could be wrong and don't have the time to Google. But what I DO think I remember, when the screaming yellow zonker (Larry Shinoda's nickname at Ford Styling) came over from GM and did the original Boss 302, he designed those rear window louvres for the Mustang that made it into mass production, thereby really instituting a styling trend (for a while, anyway). I was on leave from Ford in the Army at the time so I may have some of this corn-voluted. All best...jack
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:42 am

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
A few notes (in no particular order but starting off with vinyl top appliques):
1. When I was at Ford Styling in the '60s, the marketing-types realized this would be a saleable option in mass production and a smart plant manager got an audience with the suits with the fact that "you know, it will actually cost less to produce the vehicle with a phoney convertible top than spend the welding/leading/surfacing/painting time to class-A surface the joints between the roof panel stamping, the upper quarter panels (and in some cases, the tulip panel)". Not only did they save money on the assembly line, but gouged the customer with a dollars added option. I'm entirely sure that it was the same at all the Detroit autos (actually, I'm not entirely sure it was a FoMoCo thing originally), but the rest is history....the bad-taste option thrived. Well, I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.

 

How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

Yes, this was really a factory option in 1969 and 1970!

http://www.mooresmopars.com/modregistry.html

Also, take note of the concave rear window, which was common to the Dodge Dart and Plymouth Valiant in the 60s and 70s:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tE6HcEuGqwI/TYrk3s_n-6I/AAAAAAAAAGo/RN1xyxG-gf0/s1600/ModCuda2.jpg
http://andy440.com/modtop.jpg




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Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
that car still ran like new as those 460s with straight exhaust and 4bbl carb were bulletproof and fast for a 5400 pound car.

In the mid 90's I bought a minty '68 Four door Continental. Black w/ a natural leather interior. Vinyl top delete. That was the first year Lincoln offered a 460 and it was an option. This car had it. It was a great car and I had a great time with it. Kept it about a year and the owner of a (then new) Lincoln dealership down towards Peachtree City flagged me down one day and held a gun to my head to sell it to him. I followed him to the dealership and he wrote the check for the (ridiculous) number I had in mind! It stayed in his showroom for a few years and then I lost track of it.
That car was very heavy and that engine really moved it-----at great cost. I believe it was the most (premium of course!) fuel-thirsty car I've ever owned. I wonder if I even got 8mpg!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
Any chance of getting another car from this era?

Well this outfit always has some interesting toys and they are always high quality. I have been looking at these:

http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1376
http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1401

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Oh, and this one with only 4k miles. It's everything I can do to keep from mashing that "Buy" button!
ww.orlawndoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=136

This one doesn't have the 460.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Linco...em3a84309c87&vxp=mtr#ht_976wt_1166



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[Edited 2013-09-01 20:16:03]

This one is a rocket. Been torturing me for days.


[Edited 2013-09-01 20:20:41]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...20d74e379f&vxp=mtr#ht_55154wt_1166


[Edited 2013-09-01 20:22:22]

Been driving myself crazy over some of these. I need to buy my own parking deck just to keep them all!


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Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
1970 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible

One of my favorite years for Cadillac.
Here's one with plenty of oprions. Just lacks cruise, twilight sentinental and auto dimming.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...tem2581d79c75&vxp=mtr#ht_603wt_709

This one has cruise:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...em2a30694b32&vxp=mtr#ht_500wt_1184

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Here's a nice Eldo. Full of options. Missing Eldorado lettering on trunk-deck indicates a re-p;aint. Not bad though and those letter are available. Great car.


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Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:12 am

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 76):
How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

I

I guess I don't remember that aghast. I was overseas in the service at the time, but surely some would still be around on my return. Just don't remember them. Good grief.

BTW, the concave rear backlight appeared on several non- MoPars; GM, Ford (even the ElCamino). Can't remember who started the design, though.

Previous comments were made about concealed w/s wipers. Does anybody remember when (I don't, without going through my old brochures) Pontiac advertised...."where are the headlights?... where are the taillights?... where are the windshield wipers?" The headlights were hideaways behind doors, of course, the taillights behind louvres and the wipers were under a lip at the rear of the hood. That w/s/w install proved immensely more popular than, say, the Corvette design under a door operated by articulation that had a tendency to freeze over in wintery climes, or just simply take time off when it decided not to work. Times that I care not to remember from Michigan winters (but times that were more kinder, more gentler than trying to override the electrics of Pantera pop-up headlamps). Arrghhh. kind regards...jack
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:11 am

A few I forgot to mention earlier:

The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Radiator caps. More and more cars now come with coolant system caps located somewhere besides the radiator. My current car has it in the coolant line and my previous car had it in the coolant bucket.

Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:23 am

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
The louvres on the "flat-back, fast-back" rear windows. Was it not Giugarro or another famous Italian designer that debuted that style on a Lamborghini Miura?

I think you're correct. If the rear window louvres didn't debut on the Miura, then they debuted on one of the Miura's early mid-engine italian exotic contemporaries. If I recall correctly, on the Miura the louvres didn't have glass directly beneath them as Mustangs did- they were there to smooth the airflow over the engine compartment.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 79):
BTW, the concave rear backlight appeared on several non- MoPars; GM, Ford (even the ElCamino). Can't remember who started the design, though.

The '67 Dodge Dart 2-door hardtop and 4-door sedan were the first cars I can recall with that feature (the first green car with the "Mod Top" option pictured up-thread is a '69 Dart- same body as the '67). The '67-'69 Plymouth Valiants and Dart 2-door sedans used a different, shorter roofline. Around 1970 or so the Dart and Valiant 2-door sedans were dropped in favor of the Plymouth Duster/Dodge Demon and all Valiant 4-door sedans adopted the Dart roofline with the convex rear window.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:31 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.


Another good riddance... bias-ply tires!


Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

http://m4.i.pbase.com/v3/26/12626/1/51238064.Mercs0501loDSCN0545.jpg

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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:49 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Still very common in European cars. My wifes Touran has a glove compartment lock, as did the Ford Flex I rented.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I think the up-market luxury cars still come with a full-size spare.

You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):

Separate keys for the ignition and locks. All cars seem to have one key for everything.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):

From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise

They are still hidden on many cars today.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):


Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.

Agree with that, as an alternative I've never understood why some 'modern' cars do the worst thing possible and place the gas cap on the side opposite the driver.


Talk about dumb design, for positioning next to the fuel pump it couldn't be more awkward !
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
.the bad-taste option thrived.

Hey watch it.  
I am a fan.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.

I think they look great on muscle cars as well, especially the Montego MX Brougham and AMC Javelin.
The vinyl top did wonders for the Gran Torino, Cougar XR-7s and Thunderbirds.


What do you think about the Houndstooth Cougar for the 1970 model year?
There is a guy in San Francisco a few blocks away from my old place with this car. He took it out only on those 5 hot sunny days a year in San Francisco.

Looks like there was a matching coat with houndstooth pattern for ladies
If I had one of these, I would HAVE to get a matching jumpsuit with large butterfly collars.








Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
the companies calling them cigar lighters,

That is what mine's is called.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
Malcolm Bricklin made a big deal about none of his cars being made available with a cigar lighter (an anti-tobacconist, he was) at any option price.

We used it to light fireworks in our driveway on 4th of July if we ran out of matches.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
6. T-tops and screaming chickens on PontiacTrans Am hoods? Hold on guys...my ex college roommate designed that chicken I'll have you know, and I built the first (and following 49) prototype T-top Trans Ams. Burt Reynolds was proud of us and you guys ain't?

Count me in as a fan. You're old roommate did a spectacular job with that job!
These little kids today that don't like it have no taste. Then again these Gen-Yers' grew up in an era of tacky hybrids, SUVs, crossovers and minivans.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 76):
How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

Wow, I learn something new.   
I like the idea but some of those look like kitchen wallpaper.
I like that it matches the interior seating.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
In the mid 90's I bought a minty '68 Four door Continental. Black w/ a natural leather interior. Vinyl top delete.

Back then, the vinyl top was only for the Town Car option which came out for the 1969 model year. That was a rare option then that didn't become popular until the 1975 model year.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
the owner of a (then new) Lincoln dealership down towards Peachtree City flagged me down one day and held a gun to my head to sell it to him.

WOW??!?!? That is crazy!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
That car was very heavy and that engine really moved it-----at great cost. I believe it was the most (premium of course!) fuel-thirsty car I've ever owned. I wonder if I even got 8mpg!

I plan to backdate my 460cu" to those specs of the 1968-1970 model years. By 1977, that engine was only 208HP with it's government mandated emission controls. Yet still only get's 9MPG in the city, 16 highway (I get about 10MPG because the way I drive)
Once it's backdated to original specs, it should be about 375HP NET.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
Well this outfit always has some interesting toys and they are always high quality. I have been looking at these:

http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1376
http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1401

Nice!
You should go for it. Those look ready to be driven home.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
This one doesn't have the 460.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Linco..._1166

I'd go for the convertible if getting a 1960s Continental.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 78):
One of my favorite years for Cadillac.

1976 is my favorite year for Cadillac overall. However I like the 1970 DeVille convertible.
It's the last full-sized, rear-drive, body-on-frame Cadillac convertible.
The Eldorado is front-drive.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

AMC was like this until the very end in 1988.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them.

Another cool feature from the past.
GM had those too.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):
Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

Those Mercury Breezeways are cool!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 83):
You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

WOW!
I've always had a full-sized spare tire.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 84):
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):


Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.

Agree with that, as an alternative I've never understood why some 'modern' cars do the worst thing possible and place the gas cap on the side opposite the driver.

The gas cap pretty much has to be on one side or the other rather than in the center behind the license plate because cars now have the fuel tank either underneath the back seat or just aft of the rear axle instead of underneath the trunk floor near the back bumper. As for having the gas cap on the passenger side of the vehicle, that allows the driver to get closer to the gas pump without danger of opening the car door against the pump protector barriers now common at gas stations. Owning a two-door car with the fuel filler on the passenger side after owing one with it on the driver's side will make you appreciate the wisdom of that design right away, although four-door cars enjoy the same benefit to a slightly lesser extent.
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Town Car option which came out for the 1969 model year

Surprise! My '68 had the Town Car option which was the all natural leather interior, some extra lighting and I don't recall what else. I remember how surprised I was when I saw that on the build-sheet because I thought (at that time) that the Town Car option did not show up until about 1973.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
That is crazy!

Yeah it was! I thought I was having a flat-tire or something with this stranger waving like mad for me to pull over. When we stopped he got out came over and started telling me about how he had to have my car for the showroom of his new dealership. I thought this guy is trippin and I need to get away but he eventually convinced me to follow him to the dealership. I've had a lot of people admire my cars but that was the only time I actually got flagged down!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Breezeways

The ultimate "smokers window"! Had a friend whose father had a Park Lane with a Breezeway. We would fill the car with smoke and then suddenly open all the windows. Poof! The smoke would dissapear.
Funny to look back on it now----I think at one time at least 50-60% of all adults in the US smoked. I did for about 38 years. I look back on it now and can hardly believe I did that.

About those gas doors behind the tag------some of them were too level or almost level. In particular some of the GM ones. If you tried to fill them too fast the fuel would run out on you. We had a 1970 Olds 98 Combination at the funeral home that was like that. An annoyance and a hazard.
The best one I had was on a '67 Imperial I had down in Florida. It had a huge chrome eagle in the center of the rear-deck, you just pulled it open and there was the fuel door. It was up high enough for the fill to have a good angle on it.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Surprise! My '68 had the Town Car option

Sure it wasn't a 1969?
That is interesting.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
I thought (at that time) that the Town Car option did not show up until about 1973.

I thought it was 1975 until I started getting in to older cars within the last 20 years.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Yeah it was! I thought I was having a flat-tire or something with this stranger waving like mad for me to pull over. When we stopped he got out came over and started telling me about how he had to have my car for the showroom of his new dealership. I thought this guy is trippin and I need to get away but he eventually convinced me to follow him to the dealership. I've had a lot of people admire my cars but that was the only time I actually got flagged down!

I flagged a guy down once in a 1977 Town Car back in 2003.
I was in my 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible. We were both on the freeway in Berkeley and the guy driving kinda looked like Santa Clause. What caught my attention even more is that his head was shining from direct sunlight. He had the factory moonroof.
He saw me looking at him and waving. I didn't have a pen & paper to write 'for sale?'.
Instead I pulled out a $20 bill and waved it at him. He started playing with his beard and then shook his head. I assumed he didn't want to sale. He then follows me for another 20 miles to Concord. So then I pulled off the highway and pulled in to a parking lot of a pet store. I get out the car and started complementing his car. He starts rambling on and on about how he's not in to dating younger guys.  Wow!
I had to tell him again that I was interested in his car. He turned red and was embarrassed. Long story short, it was his boyfriend's father's car who had just recently passed away. He was just driving it until he had enough to buy a brand new Toyota Prius. He said he thought my Lebaron was "cute" and wanted to know if I wanted to trade.
Of course I was all gung-ho about trading. We agreed to meet 1 week later at the same location with our pink slips.
I was excited and brought a case of 8track tapes with me. He was all excited and dressed up in leather.
He told me he was excited about driving in to the city in his new red convertible to gets some dudes.   

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
We would fill the car with smoke

The kids today call that "hot box".
I assume you all were smoking weed?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Had a friend whose father had a Park Lane with a Breezeway.

There is a guy right there in Atlanta that is selling a Park Lane convertible with the Colony Park decklid paneling on the side. Only about 12 made.
I am seriously considering this.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
The best one I had was on a '67 Imperial

That is my favorite year for the Imperial Crown convertible.
It's also the last year for the Crown convertible and the last body-on-frame Chrysler.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
I assume you all were smoking weed?

In those days we smoked anything that would burn.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
Sure it wasn't a 1969?

1968. It was the only example of that body style I ever owned and it was seriously over-engineered. The power-steering pump was driven off of the drive-shaft via a flexible steel shaft!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
Park Lane convertible with the Colony Park decklid paneling on the side. Only about 12 made.

What vintage? Sounds very interesting. Have you got someone in Atlanta to check it out for you?
I wish I could make-up my mind. I'm all over the map because I want everything I see! Sometimes I am tempted by some of the fifties cars, it's just that I am leery of repairing them and finding parts. Also if they have low mileage they tend to be super-expensive. Oh, and they tend to lack a/c. Can't go there anymore.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
favorite year for the Imperial Crown convertible.

I've only owned one Imperial Lebaron and it was the '67. It was turquoise with a white vinyl roof and turquoise interior. It looked right at home when I was living in south Florida. It was a great car. Barely feel the tranny shifting and the a/c would freeze you out!

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Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:33 pm

Some absolutely great pictures and facts in this thread - keep them coming!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 83):
You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

Depends on the manufacturer here in the UK. My Peugeot 208 and 508 have both had full-size spares as standard.

See this link for an idea of different manufacturers' positions: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...ar-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres

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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:51 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

We had 1981 tan Cressida sedan (which everyone thought was a Mercedes) and a 1985 gray Cressida wagon, the car that I learned to drive on. I actually liked the motorized belts. I thought they were unique because I've never been in a car besides a Cressida that had them.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 90):
Depends on the manufacturer here in the UK. My Peugeot 208 and 508 have both had full-size spares as standard.

My Mazda3 has a semi-full sized spare. It's the same diameter, for the traction control, I'm sure, but it's definitely a narrower tire so it'll fit in the trunk.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
In those days we smoked anything that would burn.

Haha!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
1968. It was the only example of that body style I ever owned and it was seriously over-engineered. The power-steering pump was driven off of the drive-shaft via a flexible steel shaft!

Did a 460cu" ever have this set up? Sure it wasn't a 462cu"?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
What vintage? Sounds very interesting. Have you got someone in Atlanta to check it out for you?

1968. I know two guys in Atlanta I could ask but their knowledge isn't as good as yours. They are both A.net members too.
I'm still waiting for the seller to send me photos. He lives in the south suburbs near the airport.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
I wish I could make-up my mind. I'm all over the map because I want everything I see! Sometimes I am tempted by some of the fifties cars, it's just that I am leery of repairing them and finding parts. Also if they have low mileage they tend to be super-expensive. Oh, and they tend to lack a/c. Can't go there anymore.

Going back to the 1950s, you're best with a Cadillac, Lincoln Continental or Imperial if you want air conditioning.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
I've only owned one Imperial Lebaron and it was the '67. It was turquoise with a white vinyl roof and turquoise interior. It looked right at home when I was living in south Florida. It was a great car. Barely feel the tranny shifting and the a/c would freeze you out!

Sweet!
Chryslers were known to have silky smooth transmissions back then.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
Funny story about your Chrysler Convertible. Life is never dull!

The was the 2nd car I sold and was sad to think about what it was about to go through.
The Mark IV became a urine infested homeless shelter and the Lebaron convertible became a car to chase dudes.  
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 91):
We had 1981 tan Cressida sedan (which everyone thought was a Mercedes) and a 1985 gray Cressida wagon, the car that I learned to drive on. I actually liked the motorized belts. I thought they were unique because I've never been in a car besides a Cressida that had them.

Those were the best Japanese cars ever made!

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 90):
For many people on many occasions the puncture repair kit is adequate.

I wouldn't trust those at all. Nothing beats a spare.



Although not a car style or feature but an integral part of automotive advertising - people.
The use of people in car advertising also is a thing of the past. Today's car ads use fake computer generated effects, fish eye lens, smoky lens effects or up on top of a giant rocky mountain all by it's self.
Before the 1970s, artist illustrations were used but that began to die off in the late 60s & early 70s.
Luckily in the 1970s throughout the 1980s and 1990s, actual people were used. Often times a setting was used with the target buyer and gave snapshot of the target buyers lifestyle.

Personally I'm not a fan of artist illustrations but here is a great example of one. This is a French ad for the AMC pacer.
The AMC/Renault relation started in the 1970s and AMC made a push to sell their small cars in Europe. I actually saw one in Athens, Greece back in 2006.
This ad was also used in Quebec, Canada.





Ford van ad from the late 1970s.
Guys who had large vans with shag carpet and bed in the back got all the hot babes.
No one has ever smoked weed in one of these....

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/000713s3.jpg


Large families drove station wagons.
This, this ad has a large family in the ad.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/LTDWagonAd.jpg

If you were a family on a budget that was active and needed a car with room but on a budget, this economical diesel powered Oldsmobile Cutlass wagon was the ideal vehicle.

Oldsmobile Diesel photo 1979oldscutlasscruiser-diesel.jpg


Cougars bought Cougars.




The Lincoln Versailles catered to upscale women that were in to leather whips and riding horses.


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Versailles_whip.jpg




Mobsters that needed trunk space to take bodies down to the docks bought the Lincoln Continental Mark V.
This car catered to porn stars as well.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/MarkVAtDock.jpg


On TV he drove a Ferrari 308GTS but in reality, a 1979 Lincoln Mark V Collector's Edition.  

[Edited 2013-09-03 02:29:19]
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:46 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Ford van ad from the late 1970s.
Guys who had large vans with shag carpet and bed in the back got all the hot babes.
No one has ever smoked weed in one of these....

No, of course not - who would ever think otherwise?  

Those are some great ads - they show the styles and general moods and attitudes of the times they were from. Thanks for sharing. Some I remember (the Cougar one in particular) and some were new to me.
 
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Did a 460cu" ever have this set up? Sure it wasn't a 462cu"?

Oh, it was a 460cu. I never should have sold that car. Ever. That is one of just a handfull I should NEVER have sold. It was unique in many ways and very dependable. I knew people who had 462 equipped cars that were hanger queens. I have known a number of people over the years that had '69's and ALL of them were hanger queens and they all had the 460. Must have been because it was the last year for that body. At that time when the '70 Continentals debuted they blew-away the Lincoln fans. Just beautiful with that Cord looking hood. Ford had finally "got" the luxury car market. Scared Cadillac's mule and IMO they really didn't recover until the '93 Broughams hit the market.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
you're best with a Cadillac, Lincoln Continental or Imperial if you want air

Ah, yes, however I have been surprised to find it on a few Roadmasters/98's as well!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
became a car to chase dudes.  

O.k., not such a bad fate. The outhouse is pretty bad. At least the guys kept the backseat hot for you!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Those were the best Japanese cars ever made!

I knew a guy that had an '87 Cressida and that car was excellent! I rode in it a number of times and was really impressed. That was the first Japanese car to get my attention. The first time I said I could drive one of those and be happy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
the AMC pacer.

Like riding in a fishbowl. Too small a wheelbase for all that wrap-around glass.
Dramamine please.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):

Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

That cherry Montery photo with the reverse-slant power backlight sure brings back memories. And, if memory serves somewhat correct, I believe Mercury debuted this feature on their 1956 Turnpike Cruiser show car albeit without the reverse-slant styling. The Turnpike cruiser with this rear window made it to production in (1957? 1958?), although again not in a reverse-slant design. The reverse-slant design production debuted on the 1958 Continental and was the most visible styling difference between the Lincoln and Continental for those all-new model year 20 foot long beasts.

GM scheduled similar similar designs on their "fast back" Buick-Olds-Pontiac coupes (remember the model years with the three-piece fixed back windows?) but urban legend has it that complexity, cost, water sealing problems nixed it at the last minute, but the styling with the two windsplits coming down from the roof panel and the three-piece rear glass survived.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them

I think that feature was actually introduced by Caddy, although I can't remember what year. Nowadays, we commonly have supplemental turn signals in the outside rearview mirror (altho meant for following drivers).

Hey; I don't think this has been mentioned...swivel bucket seats. Ain't seen any of them lately. And...how about swing-away steering wheels? My Dad's T-Bids had that feature. kind regards...jack
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
Hey; I don't think this has been mentioned...swivel bucket seats. Ain't seen any of them lately.

My first '73 Monte Carlo had those. They were very comfortable, but the base for the swivel mechanism made them sit an inch or two higher than the regular bench seat... the difference between my head hitting the roof of the car on my first Monte Carlo and not doing so on my second '73 Monte Carlo with the bench seat. A swing and a miss on that feature for GM. Chrysler appeared to have done a much better job with the swivel seats in the late 50s/early 60s.
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 93):
Those are some great ads - they show the styles and general moods and attitudes of the times they were from. Thanks for sharing. Some I remember (the Cougar one in particular) and some were new to me.

Yes it was a happier time.
This is such a happy picture.  
Today, a minivan ad with kids spaced out in their own world with their face
buried in their ipads or video games just don't have the same effect.

 photo 1974Lincoln-Mercury-21_zps4981db75.jpg







This Mercury Montego MX Brougham appears to be marketed towards swingers.
At some point on this day, every one in this photo ended up naked
and in the swimming pool.

 photo 1974Lincoln-Mercury-16_zps9d10d176.jpg

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Oh, it was a 460cu. I never should have sold that car. Ever.

I'm starting to feel the same way about the 1974 Mark IV I had.
In retrospect, it really didn't need much to bring that car back 100%. It only needed
a new paint job and vinyl top. The velour seats could have been cleaned.
As far as the gear shifter on the steering column, that could have been easily fixed.
As far as that pesky 'fasten seat belt' alarm, all I needed to do was remove the
buzzer and take out the light bulb for the 'fasten seat belt' indicator.
All are very easy fixes.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
At that time when the '70 Continentals debuted they blew-away the Lincoln fans. Just beautiful with that Cord looking hood.

That was a big year for Ford. That 1970 Continental was pretty much the same car up to 1979.
Just cosmetic changes to the front grille an taillights and instrument panel change in 1975
and again in 1978.
My favorite year of course being the 1977 model year.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Scared Cadillac's mule and IMO they really didn't recover until the '93 Broughams hit the market.

Cadillac had shot it's self in the foot in the 1980s with it's gas-to-diesel conversions,
4/6/8 engine, V6s as a credit option for their large cars, the Chevrolet Cavalier-based Cimarron,
downsizing again and making most of their line front-wheel drive in 1985,
the HT4100 engine that would melt and the dealers giving customers a can of stop leak
didn't help their image either.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Ah, yes, however I have been surprised to find it on a few Roadmasters/98's as well!

I'm sure the air conditioner was availible all the way down to the Chevrolet, Fords and Plymouths
but very few bought that option since it was a very expensive option to get. In fact, it was still an
option at extra cost in the Cadillac, Lincoln, Imperial, Mercedes and even Rolls Royce.
The only car to come standard with air conditioner was the AMC Ambassador and it was that
way well in to the 1960s. Of course most who bought the above mentioned brands bought
air conditioner anyway. I just think it's funny that AMC compared it's self to the more up-market brands.




Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
I knew a guy that had an '87 Cressida and that car was excellent! I rode in it a number of times and was really impressed. That was the first Japanese car to get my attention. The first time I said I could drive one of those and be happy.

My sister had a 1982 Cressida sedan. It rode like an Oldsmobile. It was a very nice car.

Quoting TSS (Reply 96):
They were very comfortable, but the base for the swivel mechanism made them sit an inch or two higher than the regular bench seat...

As neat as those swivel seats are, I'd rather have the 50/50 split-bench power seats.
They're much more plush. My favorite of this series being the
1976-77 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham.



Also gone is the use of aircraft in car ads.
Ford did this the most but so did a few others.





 photo Ford-1970-Thunderbird-Landau-ad-a-784x1024_zpsab020a9f.jpg


 photo 1978MercuryMarquis-04_zpsf627cfdc.jpg



 photo 1976OldsmobileFullSize-18-19_zps0940d732.jpg
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
swivel bucket seats

Chrysler had them all the way back to when they had rectangular steering wheels. Oh, and the stupid rear-view mirror mounted in the middle of the dash.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
(1957? 1958?

I think you are right. Those were the years the Cruisers were available. They were always maxed-out with kool options. We had a neighbor with one that had the first "memory-seat" I ever remember.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
three-piece rear glass survived.

Grandma had a '57 Ninety-Eight with the three-piece rear window.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
the 1974 Mark IV

Mom's best friend had a '73 she drove about ten years. It was triple-silver and seemed to never age.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
air conditioner was availible all the way down to the Chevrolet, Fords and Plymouths

Yeah, but they didn't offer it until about '57 or '58.I think the first Ford I remember with air must have been a '57 Thunderchicken. I don't think you could even get it on a Lincoln much before '55 and Cadillac and Packard had offered it for years by then. I loved the way they used to deliver the air through the roof with aircraft-style eye-vents. The MKII's had pretty large swivel type vents on the ceiling and Chrysler had one very large rectangular vent on the package shelf guaranteed to blow-over the stiffest "bee-hive"! It BLASTED the air all the way to the front!
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RE: Outdated Car Style Features

Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:12 am

Some other styles, features, equipment that bit the dust.
  • Opera Windows
  • CB Radio
  • 8 Track
  • AM only radio
  • Suspended, hang on air conditioners (after market)
  • Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!
  • Station wagons with rear tailgate window that lowers and especially the old window crank.
  • Woody or simulated wood panneling made famous by the Ford Country Squire wagon.
  • 4 Door Convertible
  • Air Cooled Engine
  • Side floor vents that let in outside air
  • Front door vent windows that open
  • T-Top
  • Checker hippo taxi cab
  • Car base/built meatwagons (ambulance) like the old Caddies.
  • Add on lanterns (all the rage in the early 70's)
  • Curb Feelers
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