|Quoting Aesma (Reply 82):|
How come the UK is usually such a lapdog to the US and its people don't give a damn and instead argue Brussels has too much power over them ?
I heard Cameron trying to get his vote by explaining Obama's point of view, WTF ? Can't he think for himself ?
As for Obama, I'm more and more disappointed in him. Not intervening, I could understand, even if it would be a major loss of face. After all that war has been going on for a long time already with no intervention. But, for more than a week, saying one day yes, one day no, one day maybe, what the hell is that ?
You've sort of answered your own question, the UK is not a 'lapdog' for the US.
Wasn't over Vietnam, or Suez, or for a period Bosnia, isn't with EU trade disagreements, or to a point, with the Falklands.
So if France, as is likely, does go with the US over Syria, are they now the 'lapdog'?
Have you ever considered that more often than not however, the UK does actually agree with the US on many things?
France in the past few years has finally emerged from the habits of bloody minded Gaullism, which often went against the US and to a point the UK, just because they were the 'anglo-saxons' rather than any issues at hand.
Have you also considered that the US is also scarred by the whole Iraq mess, that this President has long stated that there will not be a repeat of the falsehoods that led to Iraq?
So he has to be as sure as possible that this time the intel is a certain as it can be (it's never 100%), this means waiting until you are as sure as you can reasonably be.
I not sure you understand what happened in the House Of Commons last thursday, Cameron could have come back with another motion on Syria, with the UN mission done there he might well have got enough support for action.
That's what the Opposition were asking for, because Labour Leader Ed Miliband also has defined himself as soneone who would not do another Iraq, it's part of the reason he got the job.
He wasn't an MP
in 2003 but many of his party never forgave Blair over Iraq, never forgave that so many of his MP
's also voted against him then, he needed Tory votes to win.
Milliband did support Cameron over Libya, since the work was done at the UN first, Cameron however this time has 30 of his own MP
's rebelling over Syria, if he risked coming back with another motion on military action and lost again, his leadership, his time as PM
, might be seriously threatened.
You cannot be a PM
for long if you cannot win votes in the Commons, this would make a vote of no confidence in the government possible.
Cameron, who just days ago, was seen as having calmed and again commanded, his fractious party, now cuts a diminished figure.
Also remember that this is the first UK Coalition government since WW2, which makes it not only more difficult for him to always get his way, means that many of his own MP
's blame him for not winning outright in 2010 and will not easily forgive.
They hate the Lib Dems, these MP
's have never got the idea of being in a coalition around their heads, some of them seem not to realise that they did not win in 2010.
The RAF sent 6 Typhoons to Cyprus, to deter any Syrian attack there, since the GCHQ base there will still be monitoring Syria, still be sharing their into with the NSA.
UK bases in the Far East in the 1960's did the same for the US in Vietnam, the UK refused to be directly militarily involved there but did not oppose the US diplomatically, as France did with Iraq in 2003.