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Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:33 pm

I don't mind this guy really - he is at least entertaining. But he's apparently been saying some silly things lately - not least that people with high IQs are more valuable to the country, that they 'govern' better.

He just got utterly 'demolished' (in only four minutes) by a TV journalist who just asked him four simple questions. He answered only three, getting them all wrong.  

Many thanks to the journalist concerned - best laugh I've had for weeks. Always a pleasure to see any 'celebrity' politician cut down to size, for a while anyway. Though I guess the journalist concerned is not likely to get invited to the traditional Christmas Eve drinks at 10 Downing Street this year. Hope you all enjoy watching it, anyway:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...3/boris-johnson-fails-live-iq-test

[Edited 2013-12-04 06:18:39]
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:25 pm

Wat is it with Commonwealth countries and their really questionable mayors?!
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:18 pm

Meh, it was a good old ambush, but I don't think it made him look all that awful really. The interviewer was really hostile which detracts from any possible sympathy for him, so really not that bad overall.
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Thread starter):
But he's apparently been saying some silly things lately - not least that people with high IQs are more valuable to the country, that they 'govern' better.

The humiliation part of the story aside...is it out-of-line for me to second the notion that more intelligent citizens are in a better position to govern? IQ scores don't perfectly correlate to intelligence since no IQ test is perfect, but the sentiment he presented wasn't exactly ludicrous. Maybe it's just me, but I don't want unintelligent people ("low IQ people" if you will) making important decisions that impact the population, be it at just the city level or the federal level.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Wat is it with Commonwealth countries and their really questionable mayors?!

What is it with non-Commonwealth countries and really questionable Presidents?!  
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:42 pm

What is it with virtually all countries and really questionable politicians?!?

 
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
What is it with non-Commonwealth countries and really questionable Presidents?!

Well I'll give you that.

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Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
What is it with virtually all countries and really questionable politicians?!?

politicians. that's their job, yet we vote for our favorite every year.
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Thread starter):
Though I guess the journalist concerned is not likely to get invited to the traditional Christmas Eve drinks at 10 Downing Street this year

No 10 is the home of the PM David Cameron, the consensus is that despite both being Old Etonians, members of the Bullingdon Club and Oxford graduates there is little mutual affection. In conclusion the journalist is now more likely to receive an invitation but for one thing. The Guardian is rarely in favour with any Conservative Govt, and after they leaked Govt Intelligence they are completely out of favour.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting Nav20 (Thread starter):
Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Did he get another haircut?
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
The humiliation part of the story aside...is it out-of-line for me to second the notion that more intelligent citizens are in a better position to govern?

No, of course not, Westjet747. Though, on present evidence, there's room for doubt as to whether Johnson is among them?   Two at least of the questions were completely straightforward and could and should have been answered correctly after only a moment's thought.

On a more serious note, I think the episode more or less proved that Johnson is impatient with detail, liable to speak before he thinks, disorganised when handling paperwork, and ready to 'sound off' at his subordinates and instantly blame them for anything that goes wrong, even if the problem is his own fault?
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:10 am

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 8):
On a more serious note, I think the episode more or less proved that Johnson is impatient with detail, liable to speak before he thinks, disorganised when handling paperwork, and ready to 'sound off' at his subordinates and instantly blame them for anything that goes wrong, even if the problem is his own fault?

Boris is without doubt an exceedingly well educated man in his specialist field, scholarships at both Eton and Oxford where he studied Classics. He has the ability to seamlessly switch from English to ancient Greek or latin. However I wouldn't let him pump up a bike tyre as he appears to have zero ability for anything practical. On that basis he was always likely to struggle with the questions asked of him recently.

We then come to the "disorganised persona" many believe that this is an act, the hair is deliberately ruffled, the bumbling mannerisms etc. Its just how he sets himself out to appeal to the electorate, something that he is rather successful at.

As to the three questions, one involves a mechanical alarm clock of the type that has more or less been out of use for the past 30 or so years and another is slightly devious to the extent that I watched to TV newsreaders get it wrong yesterday morning.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:31 am

The best comment from the ones below on the link;

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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:59 am

I see no humiliation here. From what I know of Boris his pride will not have been affected in the least.
Also the questions bear little link to intelligence.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
As to the three questions, one involves a mechanical alarm clock of the type that has more or less been out of use for the past 30 or so years and another is slightly devious to the extent that I watched to TV newsreaders get it wrong yesterday morning.

  

The first is so over-used that the least intelligent can often answer it without understanding why. There is no requirement for the bear to be indigeneous.
As for the second it is based on interpretation of a term more commonly used with a different meaning.
The third is just stupid. If I set my alarm clock for 9am it only goes off at 9am and not 9pm. In fact for me the correct answer would probably be seven hours.
There is absolutely no intelligence threshold to follow slush TV.
I have no idea what the local public transport fees here are.

My question would be whether he or the pope started this rolling as they both seem to have said roughly the same thing.

"There is too much inequality," he said. "My speech was actually a warning against letting inequality go unchecked." He then said that "in last 20 years there has been a widening of income between rich and the poor".
He added: "What hacks me off is people with ability have found it very difficult to progress in the last 20 years. The key thing I said is inequality is only tolerable in our society if you look after those who are finding it tough to compete and where people have ability they are allowed to get on."
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:19 am

Quoting Philby (Reply 11):
The first is so over-used that the least intelligent can often answer it without understanding why.

Oddly enough, I mentioned that only two of the questions were 'straightforward' because I think the journalist himself got at least one of the answers wrong.

The only places on Earth where a building can have four walls all facing in one direction are indeed the Poles. But, further, the only place on Earth where all four walls could face south is the NORTH Pole, not the South one. Furthermore, as far as I know there are no bears of any species/colour on the Antarctic continent.  

I've seen in press reports that the journalist claims that he got his questions from actual IQ tests. But I simply can't see how on Earth the price of tickets on the Tube can possibly be appropriate in that context?

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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:39 pm

Reminds me of the danish foreign affairs minister at the COP15 in copenhagen. Ze ice is smelting at ze poles, Villy "Sleepvalley" Søvndal.

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 12):
The only places on Earth where a building can have four walls all facing in one direction are indeed the Poles. But, further, the only place on Earth where all four walls could face south is the NORTH Pole, not the South one. Furthermore, as far as I know there are no bears of any species/colour on the Antarctic continent.

If you build the house on the northpole, what does it matter if there are polar bears or not in Antarctica?

There are polar bears in the arctic region which is where the house is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:05 pm

Well, US president Hoover had the reputation of having been extremely intelligent, but without any empathy or feelings either.

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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting larshjort (Reply 13):
If you build the house on the northpole, what does it matter if there are polar bears or not in Antarctica?

In the video, larshjort, the journalist definitely says 'South Pole'?
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
Well, US president Hoover had the reputation of having been extremely intelligent, but without any empathy or feelings either.



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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
We then come to the "disorganised persona" many believe that this is an act, the hair is deliberately ruffled, the bumbling mannerisms etc. Its just how he sets himself out to appeal to the electorate, something that he is rather successful at.

  

I find it hard to believe that you would get as far as he has in politics without some degree of intelligence (rarely does he play a blunder the wrong way - surely it's more than luck to make 'all the right gaffes'?), but above all without an all-consuming sense of ambition.
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:05 am

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 17):
I find it hard to believe that you would get as far as he has in politics without some degree of intelligence

Intelligence comes in different forms. I've known somone say that someone who cannot read a map must be stupid. It's just that they don't have the aptitude to equate lines on paper with the matching landscape. Equally many intelligent people cannot easily follow logic puzzles or calculus. Most mathematical genii would fail a classics degree abysmally.

Boris Johnson has many strengths but political correctness and scripting for soundbites aren't among them. Most of his ideas have a certain sense and show no regard for toeing the party line.

Intelligence has never really been a requiresite for politics. Presentation skills often replace intelligence. It almost makes you believe Scott Adams theory that you can tell who will win A US presidential election by including a hair factor. A reasonable correlation is made that good hair is as important to the US electorate as good policies. And lets face it how many politicians really follow through on all their campaign pledges?
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:35 am

Quoting larshjort (Reply 13):
Reminds me of the danish foreign affairs minister at the COP15 in copenhagen. Ze ice is smelting at ze poles, Villy "Sleepvalley" Søvndal.

Meh, I prefer him in the olden days, when he was questioning the then PM as to why the US has a secret army base under the ice cap of Greenland....
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:46 am

That interviewer is insufferably smug and arrogant. He actually makes me sympathise with Mr Johnson.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 8):
Two at least of the questions were completely straightforward and could and should have been answered correctly after only a moment's thought.

Disagree, they are deliberately trick questions.

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
As to the three questions, one involves a mechanical alarm clock of the type that has more or less been out of use for the past 30 or so years and another is slightly devious to the extent that I watched to TV newsreaders get it wrong yesterday morning.

Definitely. No alarm clock goes off after an hour, even a wind up one. I've had a wind up one for years that sets for up to 24 hours.

Also the way the Apples question is framed is made so the answerer will do 3-2=1. Deliberately tricky.

The four walls question is stupid.

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 15):
In the video, larshjort, the journalist definitely says 'South Pole'?

He does say south pole, but that is the wrong answer. Correct answer would be North Pole because the walls would then all be facing south.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:31 am

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 21):
He does say south pole, but that is the wrong answer.

Misunderstanding, RDH3E. That's exactly what I said in Post 12 above?

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 12):
Oddly enough, I mentioned that only two of the questions were 'straightforward' because I think the journalist himself got at least one of the answers wrong.
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting Philby (Reply 18):
Boris Johnson has many strengths but political correctness and scripting for soundbites aren't among them.

Boris does soundbites, he spins as much as anyone, his 'spin' is this whole bluff, 'look what a loveable buffoon I am', fun loving persona.
It's an act, he ruffles his hair before interviews to make it look unkempt.

But there is often a truth behind this sort of act, the Boris as the wildly enthusiastic MC for the London Olympics last year was an example, however who really thinks those games would have come to London had he been Mayor in 2005?
He would never have put the detailed work in to ensure this, Boris does not do detail.

Behind all this is a man deeply mistrusted even by many of his political soul mates - though not the bonkers Tory rank and file.
It's said that there are two things you cannot trust Boris with, money and women.

So Boris is more of a brand, in some ways he is like another brand in British public life, Russell Brand.
Despite their very different politics and background, both have a well crafted public persona, both revel in a naughty boy sort of image, neither have much in the way of self control (it was only the prospect of destitution or worse that pulled Brand from his drug addictions), both crave publicity even if it's often of a negative sort.

Boris, with his inherited wealth, expensive education that is about building confidence, is used to getting his own way, even doing so by lying, not paying back debts of either money or gratitude, has made enough enemies, has done too many dodgy things, to likely reach the one height he craves most, Prime Minister,
But he'll try nonetheless.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 19):

Or when he was driving an old gas guzzling Rover while he was advocating for greener energy and for people to use public transportation more.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
Boris, with his inherited wealth, expensive education that is about building confidence

I've never seen any mention of any inherited wealth, as his father is alive and well, its hard to see where any might have come from. His ancestors are generally quite intellectual, but don't appear to have great wealth. On the education front he certainly did receive the best that his parents could provide, and he managed to become president of the Oxford Union ( University debating society) definitely a good breeding ground for politicians.
 
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:09 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 25):
I've never seen any mention of any inherited wealth, as his father is alive and well, its hard to see where any might have come from.

You can get money from people who haven't died (although I agree it's not called 'inheritance').
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RE: Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London, Humiliated.

Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:31 am

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 25):
he managed to become president of the Oxford Union ( University debating society) definitely a good breeding ground for politicians.

Until most of therm come up that way, which is the problem today, fine to have some like that, not as it seems now, most. Or the ones with 'prior business experience' being mostly from the financial sector.

I'm aware his Dad is still around, he loves the limelight too.
Nonetheless, Boris is from a background that again is fine for some, with this lot though it's virtually the whole Cabinet, including the Lib Dems. Blair too.

Ever wondered why so many are disengaged from politics?
Often citing that too many of them are this rare breed that excludes 93% of the population.
Worse, they often talk in the managerial garbled BS that many have also to endure at work.
Usually by those who mistake confidence for competence.

The latter is the result of the sort of schooling Boris and the rest have, while it can and does enhance some, produce some great minds, it does also allow the less bright but wealthy a way in that simply does not happen to those not fortunate enough to not be of that 7%

Now Boris is smart, or just cunning, to be aware of this, hence that jolly, almost anti conventional politics persona so well crafted over the years.
Even so, the mask slips, this whole interview was remember a response to a speech he gave which made some to put it mildly rather dodgy claims, ones rejected by most experts in the field.

The worst thing for me is, with Boris, it doesn't have to be this way.
Before he became Mayor, he fronted a documentary for Channel 4, on the subject of Turkey and his view on why this nation should be in the EU.
Boris has some Turkish blood in his family tree, over the course of this programme he made a coherent, deeply felt, well argued case for Turkey being allowed in.
There was none of his usual fooling around, better yet, even someone like me who generally abhors his politics, was converted to the case he made.

And I enjoyed him mocking that awful Mitt Romney too, just prior to the London Games.
For all that, I still think him deeply unsuited for high office, or anything more than a middle ranking Cabinet post.

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