Paul McCartney/Wings "Live And Let Die"

cptkrell · Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:54 pm

Had the truck radio on a local 'Classic Rock' station yesterday (I'll do this at times to get rid of the hillbilly/CW stuff, and I CAN'T listen to talk radio) and "Live an Let Die" was playing. I've never really liked this song after first hearing it in the James Bond movie of same name. I think I like it even less now. The disc jockey made his comment that it is the BEST James Bond movie theme song EVER (his emphasis verbally). Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger" or even the softer "From Russia With Love" (forgot artist).

Just for a time killer, any thoughts?

Mortyman · Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:56 pm

A-ha's The Living Daylights is the best 007 theme together With Duran Duran's A View to A Kill and Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger.

Braybuddy · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
From Russia With Love

I think that was Matt Munro.

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger"

I agree. Not only is it the best Bond theme, it's up there with the all time great themes.

As for Paul McCartney's effort, the less said about it the better. While McCartney and Lennon were undoubtedly a talent greater than the sum of their parts, McCartney on his own has written some very dubious songs altogether: Mary Had a Little Lamb, With a Little Luck, Silly Love Songs (probably the most appropriately named song every written), Give Ireland Back to the Irish, Wonderful Christmastime, et al.

Kiwirob · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

smittyone · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

Definitely! Poor Paul McCartney, his post-Beatles stuff is just difficult to listen to IMO.

Kiwirob · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:48 pm

To give McCartney credit I went to one of his concerts, he puts on a good show, played for 3 hours, more than half the songs were Beatles classics, I'll never get to see the Beatles but seeing Paul was good enough for me.

johns624 · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:49 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
While McCartney and Lennon were undoubtedly a talent greater than the sum of their parts, McCartney on his own has written some very dubious songs altogether

I agree! McCartney must have the tritest song lyrics of all time. Don't forget Uncle Albert-Admiral Halsey.

Aesma · Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:01 pm

Very kitch ! Especially since the music was used for a couple of 80's TV shows' theme here in France, so it really evokes that time !

ER757 · Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger"

Agreed - I don't think it even measures up to Carly Simon's "Spy Who Loved Me."

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
With a Little Luck, Silly Love Songs (probably the most appropriately named song every written), Give Ireland Back to the Irish, Wonderful Christmastime, et al.

"Silly Love Songs" is one of the most insipid pieces of garbage ever released by a major artist. Closely followed by "Listen to What The Man Said" - if either of those two come on the radio, I've changed the station before three notes are played.

L-188 · Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

Agreed!

There was a Simpson's episode where Homer decks some schmuck (sorry don't remember the plot) who brags that his people where the ones that got Paul out of Wings.

Homer then exclaims, "YOU FOOL, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ANY GOOD!"

Like I said, I just remember the line, not the whole episode.

cptkrell · Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

Agreed!

Well, thanks. I just accessed Guns N' Roses version and I am in concert with your opinions. Still not a fav song with me, but it's a FAR better presentation. What is it? Better refined music? Better singing? Just appeals to me much more. Too bad this wasn't the original movie theme sound track.

Aeri28 · Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
Very kitch ! Especially since the music was used for a couple of 80's TV shows' theme here in France, so it really evokes that time !

but it is an early 70s song....

johns624 · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:18 pm

Another point---Wings wouldn't have got anywhere near the airplay that they did if it wasn't McCartney. Just imagine (no pun intended) what record execs would have said to a brand new band that came out with songs with lyrics like that.

4holer · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 4):
Definitely! Poor Paul McCartney, his post-Beatles stuff is just difficult to listen to IMO.

More unforgivable than his music, due to his militant vegetarianism, he forbade Weird Al Yankovic from recording what would have been one of his best songs ever...
He only would sometimes include a bit of it in concert during a medley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3JXNut-wO0

Flighty · Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:36 am

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 4):
Definitely! Poor Paul McCartney, his post-Beatles stuff is just difficult to listen to IMO.

Really? "Jet" is a great song, but yeah, different strokes and all that.

romeobravo · Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:12 am

OHMSS is my favourite.

CXB77L · Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger" or even the softer "From Russia With Love" (forgot artist).

Just for a time killer, any thoughts?

Agreed. In my view, Goldfinger is by far the best Bond movie theme, followed by Tom Jones' Thunderball.

Live and Let Die was perhaps not among the worst (Madonna's Die Another Day and Alicia Keys and Jack White's Another Way to Die were both shockingly poor), but it was certainly far from the best.

flyingturtle · Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:48 am

Skyfall...

I really like to listen to "Live and let die", because it is also one of my favourite Bond films.

David

MEA-707 · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:35 pm

I think Live and let die is pretty good, I generally like McCartney's stuff both Beatles and solo.
Two other good Bond tunes worth to mention; Nancy Sinatra's You only live twice, a haunting tune with big orchestra, a sample reused by Robbie Williams Millenium.
We have all the time in the world by Louis Armstrong, one of the last songs he did before he died, tender, small and warm.

mt99 · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:47 pm

I am currently reading the original "Live and Let Die" - and man - Mr. Flemming was not very politically correct with is African Americans characters by today standards.. Yikes!

CXB77L · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:41 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 19):
I am currently reading the original "Live and Let Die" - and man - Mr. Flemming was not very politically correct with is African Americans characters by today standards.. Yikes!

No, but you've got to remember those books were written in the 1950s.

I'm a Bond fan, and I'm very much a fan of the original Fleming work. There are times when I cringe reading Live and Let Die, and overall it probably wasn't one of Fleming's finest moments. But you've got to remember that Fleming was very much the stereotypical white middle class Englishman in the 1950s, and racial profiling was very much the norm back then.

flyingturtle · Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:04 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 19):

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 20):

I like James Bond. Because he's no action hero, and he's no killer. He outsmarts his enemies, and isn't exactly a feminist. He embodies a life style that's pretty archaic - but hey, it's very difficult to re-invent James Bond. He's not Jason Bourne.

David

CXB77L · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 21):
he's no killer

I'm not sure about that. It's pretty clear from Fleming's work that Bond is a killer, although it was a part of his profession that he disliked, and when he had had to kill, he did it "as well as he knew how and forgot about it" and be "as cool about death as a surgeon".

cfischaleck · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:12 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 21):
He outsmarts his enemies

Best description of Bond ever!

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 21):
it's very difficult to re-invent James Bond

Well, I think every Bond added something individual to the movies. Craig for example is just way more rough and edgier than Brosnan was for example. So the character changes quite a bit.

As for songs, I love the way that Skyfall blends into the sound of the river. It's also my favorite intro artistically by far !

rwy04lga · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:10 pm

'Live and Let Die' was the WORST, by FAR !! The best were 'Thunderball' and 'You Only Live Twice'.

GrahamHill · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:22 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 4):
Definitely! Poor Paul McCartney, his post-Beatles stuff is just difficult to listen to IMO.

I disagree for his Wings period. Band on the run is a fantastic album. Venus and Mars is great too.

luckyone · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:15 am

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
Had the truck radio on a local 'Classic Rock' station yesterday (I'll do this at times to get rid of the hillbilly/CW stuff, and I CAN'T listen to talk radio) and "Live an Let Die" was playing. I've never really liked this song after first hearing it in the James Bond movie of same name. I think I like it even less now. The disc jockey made his comment that it is the BEST James Bond movie theme song EVER (his emphasis verbally). Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger" or even the softer "From Russia With Love" (forgot artist).

Just for a time killer, any thoughts?

I never cared for the song either. And I agree that "Goldfinger" is amazing. I also love Goldeneye, though I think it is just as much Tina Turner's delivery as the song itself.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 16):
Madonna's Die Another Day and Alicia Keys and Jack White's Another Way to Die were both shockingly poor), but it was certainly far from the best.

I actually liked "Die Another Day." I thought it blended well with the idea of the movie of the same name, though THAT was a catastrophe.

I think most people enjoyed "Skyfall." The last few Bond themes didn't seem to gel well with the movie. "Skyfall" did.

L-188 · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting cfischaleck (Reply 23):
Craig for example is just way more rough and edgier than Brosnan was for example.

Craig plays it a lot darker, so did Timothy Dalton but I don't think when the Daltonator was playing him that the world was ready for the darker version. But from what I have read it is closer to the books.

So question, Do we count the David Niven Bond from the original Casino Royal?

cptkrell · Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
So question, Do we count the David Niven Bond from the original Casino Royal?

Uhhhh...NO. Not me, anyway. I was actually offended that somebody could make a comedy/spoof movie out of my hero, 007.

CXB77L · Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
so did Timothy Dalton but I don't think when the Daltonator was playing him that the world was ready for the darker version.

Indeed. I think that is quite unfortunate. Timothy Dalton brought back the literary Bond on screen - not seen since Connery's first two films, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. As far as I'm concerned, Dalton's Bond, and Connery's Bond in his first two films is the way Bond was meant to be played.

There's an excellent article in GQ Magazine about why Dalton was the best Bond:

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/enterta...thy-dalton-the-best-james-bond-007

Quote:
then it's straight into Fleming territory and to the depiction of a super-agent who owes nothing to movies, but has emerged directly from the author's canon and specifically from the short story of the same name. In the latter, Bond is a dyspeptic, tranquillizer-popping (he takes Tuinal) and hugely lonely hit man who's hoping, someday soon, to get fired. "With any luck it'll cost me my double-0 number," he says, when he hears that he's being reported to his seniors.

...

Quote:
And maybe that's the key to Dalton's Bond, and the reason why he drove it into the ground after just two instalments. Because the best moments of the modern movie Bonds show a professional agent trying to find his humanity in the midst of violence. Yet Dalton's portrait, just like Fleming's, was that of a man who is not finding his humanity, but losing it.

[Edited 2014-01-23 05:29:50]

jetwet1 · Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Thread starter):
Hell, I don't think it holds a candle to Shirley Bassey's "Goldfinger"

Agreed, but it's one of the better Wings songs.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Live and Let Die became a much better song when Guns & Roses covered it.

It's a different take on it for sure, I like the metal punch GnR gives the song.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
Craig plays it a lot darker, so did Timothy Dalton but I don't think when the Daltonator was playing him that the world was ready for the darker version. But from what I have read it is closer to the books.

I wanted to hate Craig's version of Bond, but in all honesty I think it is the best so far, at the very least the best since Connery.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
So question, Do we count the David Niven Bond from the original Casino Royal?

No, no and NO.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
As for Paul McCartney's effort, the less said about it the better. While McCartney and Lennon were undoubtedly a talent greater than the sum of their parts, McCartney on his own has written some very dubious songs altogether: Mary Had a Little Lamb, With a Little Luck, Silly Love Songs (probably the most appropriately named song every written), Give Ireland Back to the Irish, Wonderful Christmastime, et al.

I would have to agree with the first part, as to the second, there were a lot of dubious songs in the '70's....But an important thing to remember, Let it Be gives McCartney a pass on all his bad songs.

Kiwirob · Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:40 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 24):
'Live and Let Die' was the WORST, by FAR !!

Movie or song?

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 30):
It's a different take on it for sure, I like the metal punch GnR gives the song.

If you like a pop song metalled up listen to Omerta's version of Duran Duran's Come Undone.

zippyjet · Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:18 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 4):

For Bond Movie music almost anything by composer John Barry (the late) were my favorites. Live and Let Die in my opinion was one of the worst Bond movies. Though I thought Roger Moore did a commendable job as the suave British Spy. This film was way too dated. It was basically trying to copy the success of the "Blaxploitation" movie genre of the early 1970's and falls short. To me it was like a cross between a bad imitation of Shaft combining it with one of the worst shows of the time Love American Style. And Sir George Martin's musical score was a big letdown. John Barry's work was a hard act to follow with Bond flicks. Sure enough after Live, Barry scored /composed the next several Bond movies into the 1980's. Back to Live and Let Die the theme it isn't bad by Sir Paul. But the Guns and Roses cover rocks. Regarding Bond themes here are my favorites in no particular order"

Shirley Bassey-"Goldfinger"
Tom Jones-"Thunderball" (side note: Johnny Cash submitted a theme for Thunderball which is really cool. You Tube it!
Shirley Bassey-Diamonds Are Forever
Lulu-Man With Golden Gun
Theme to "On Her Magesties Secret Service"
Nancy Sinatra-You Only Live Twice
Ah Ha Living Daylights
Duran Duran - View To A Kill

I still rate Paul Mc. Cartney's Live and Let Die way way ahead of the overplayed Carly Simon "Ketchup Torch Song" for The Spy Who Loved Me!

william · Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:23 am

Best Bond song was Frank Sintra's daughter singing "You only live twice". Man that song is spooky on a good audiophile sound system.

zippyjet · Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting william (Reply 33):

I liked Nancy Sinatra's stuff. You want spooky check out her duet with Lee Hazelwood "Some Velvet Morning."

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