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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:58 am

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 149):
It is speculated that the Olympic in question is Evi Sachenbacher.

ARD appears to have thrown out the speculation and gone straight to naming her:
http://ard.br.de/olympia-sotschi-201...cher-dopinfall-in-sotschi-100.html

She's had some issues with high hemoglobin counts before, and IIRC her 4th place in the mass start event came as a bit of a surprise.
 
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 145):
Because they broke the law.

Which law?

Also what about laws that directly conflict with the Constitution? (see Article 31)

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:59 am

Now back to the Ice Hockey! We won "the best country in the World" by 5-0. My name sake scored twice! Kane had two penalty shots and Rask saved us. I think he got mental grip on Kane.  
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:06 am

Quoting teme82 (Reply 152):
Now back to the Ice Hockey! We won "the best country in the World" by 5-0. My name sake scored twice! Kane had two penalty shots and Rask saved us. I think he got mental grip on Kane.  

Congrats! I don't know why but I really liked the Finnish team this year, it was the first time I felt that I wouldn't care that much if they won against Sweden. Maybe because you beat Russia?  Smile

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:22 am

US media ranks the amount of Medals higher than the valore of the medals.... and puts itself ahead of Norway in the rankings, insted of following official statistics. The official way is counting the most golds, the most silver and the most bronse and rank the nations as to who has the most golds.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2014/02/21/s...otsji2014/medaljer/norge/31952403/

http://olympics.si.com/olympics/medals

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:54 am

Quoting planewasted (Reply 153):

Congrats! I don't know why but I really liked the Finnish team this year, it was the first time I felt that I wouldn't care that much if they won against Sweden. Maybe because you beat Russia?

Thanks! Perhaps that we won the Russians and send them home was cause.  
Anyway I just read article from Mats Wennerholm and is correct about Selänne. He truly is a good player and have inspired the younger generations here in Finland to play ice hockey.  http://bloggar.aftonbladet.se/wenner...olm/2014/02/tack-for-allt-selanne/
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:30 pm

This morning the Dutch Chef de Mission Maurits Hendriks gave a closing press conference and obviously he was one happy chappie about the superb results for the Dutch team who had their best winter Olympics by far and exceeded all expectations.

While he was on cloud nine he had some nice words to say on the organization:

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"It was amazing what has been done here. This was the best organization ever. But it goes beyond that: the smile, the warmth, it wasn't acted, not a facade... it was real. Also again this morning when you come through the gate. You can tell by everything that a new generation of Russians is at work showing the World that this country has a lot of future."
 
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:03 pm

We I think that during these games we got our answer to the original question: Sochi was ready and was a good choice to host the games.

Best Olympic's for Team Russia since the 1980's as well. Many unexpected medals.
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:23 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 157):
Best Olympic's for Team Russia since the 1980's as well. Many unexpected medals.

I guess beefing up the team by acquiring athletes from other countries really payed off!   

From my perspective, as an American, this was a strange Olympics. My overall feeling is "meh", which is consistent with the performances of many of our athletes. Perhaps it's because we've been spoiled the past decade with Apolo Ohno and Michael Phelps, but as much as NBC tried to build new athletes up as the new household names, most who were supposedly favored to win didn't live up to the expectation. A few didn't medal at all!

I love the Olympics. But this time around I just watched events to satisfy my once-every-four-year fix instead of getting sucked into the actual competitions. The time difference and inability to avoid spoilers didn't help.

(Btw the above comment about the Russian team was a joke   )
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 158):
From my perspective, as an American, this was a strange Olympics. My overall feeling is "meh", which is consistent with the performances of many of our athletes. Perhaps it's because we've been spoiled the past decade with Apolo Ohno and Michael Phelps, but as much as NBC tried to build new athletes up as the new household names, most who were supposedly favored to win didn't live up to the expectation. A few didn't medal at all!

Despite the fact that we ended the medal count 2nd, this felt like a huge letdown for Team USA. Speedskating (long and short-track) was almost a 100% disaster if not for the Silver in the very last event of either type. So many other missed opportunities.

It's not even that NBC tried to build up some of these athletes; most were literally ranked the best in their fields. Hannah Kearny, for example who earned Bronze in Women's Moguls, was pretty much the best skiier in her field since Vancouver when she won Gold. She dominated the World Cup circuit. Shaun White landed his iPod-defeating move in practice, but couldn't do it in the final (though I still respect the hell out of him for how classy he is). Bode Miller.... was Bode Miller. Something about the Olympics causes him to just lose it, despite his enormous success outside of them.

And hockey.... ugh. Some people may be upset with this reaction, but I am embarrassed about that women's gold medal game. How do you blow a 2 goal lead like that with 2:29 left? The men rolling over against Finland... I'm sorry, I'm of the mind that even after a tough defeat you don't just throw in the towel.

This would've been Team USA's best Winter Olympics ever if so many of the foregoing things hadn't happened... But, it is what it is. And there were actually plenty of unexpectedly good outcomes. We medaled for the first time in some events in which we haven't medaled in decades, like 2-man bob. We weren't expected, actually, to medal in Men's Slopestyle and we ended up taking gold. Took first individual luge medals in forever, first Skeleton medals in 12 years...

There were a lot of good outcomes. But so many bad ones have left a bad taste in my mouth as a completely unapologetic nationalistic rah-rah fan of Team USA. I like seeing the best compete, but I love even more to see my country do very well, better than others. There were a lot of moments during these games where felt Team USA really lost itself. I hope we'll see a big rebound in Pyeongchang in 4 years.
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 158):
I guess beefing up the team by acquiring athletes from other countries really payed off!

I know you are joking about this one, but I spoke to a few people here (Canadians) that were upset by this))
So this is what I told them: You have immigrants in your country that compete right? We do too.
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 152):
Now back to the Ice Hockey! We won "the best country in the World" by 5-0.

I think you mean "consolation best country in the world"  
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 158):
Btw the above comment about the Russian team was a joke

Well there is actually a bit of truth in it. 5 of Russia's 13 gold medals were won by athletes who weren't even Russians at the last Winter Olympics.

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 159):
Despite the fact that we ended the medal count 2nd, this felt like a huge letdown for Team USA.

Well...4th if you use the official medal count.
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:49 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 159):
Despite the fact that we ended the medal count 2nd




It's not the amount of Medals you get, but what kind of denomination they have who decides in the official rankings. The official rankings puts the US behind Russia, Norway and Canada. In other Words, in 4 Place. It's only you Americans who uses this unofficial ranking method ....



Official rankings in gold, silver, bronse and total ...

1 Russia (RUS)* 13 11 9 33
2 Norway (NOR) 11 5 10 26
3 Canada (CAN) 10 10 5 25
4 United States (USA) 9 7 12 28
5 Netherlands (NED) 8 7 9 24
6 Germany (GER) 8 6 5 19
7 Switzerland (SUI) 6 3 2 11
8 Belarus (BLR) 5 0 1 6
9 Austria (AUT) 4 8 5 17
10 France (FRA) 4 4 7 15
11–26 Remaining NOCs 21 36 34 91

http://www.sochi2014.com/en

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 161):
Well...4th if you use the official medal count.
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 162):
It's not the amount of Medals you get, but what kind of denomination they have who decides in the official rankings. The official rankings puts the US behind Russia, Norway and Canada. In other Words, in 4 Place. It's only you Americans who uses this unofficial ranking method ....


Not this crap again.   

Yes, 4th by the Gold Medal count. Which makes the other medals superfluous. I mean, why even award them if they don't "officially" count. I'd be for there even being a way to account for how people finished beyond the medal places, like awarding some points to the count for number of finishers in the top 5, 10, etc. of events. Golds are worth 9, Silvers worth 6, Bronzes worth 3, top 5 worth 2, top 10 worth 1, top 15 worth 0.5... something like that.

I'm a rare American who is self-conscious about the fact that we tend to perform better in sports we popularized than the more traditional Winter sports, like biathlon, cross-country, ski jumping, etc. That's why I was so thrilled to see us grab Nordic Combined medals in Vancouver. I love seeing us perform well across a broad variety of events, not just a small subset.

Likewise, while Gold is obviously the ultimate goal and I want America to have the most Golds, I am also happy when we at least get a medal of any color, as it shows that we perform at a high level generally. This "official" medal count crap has bugged me for a long time. Total medal count shows elite performance across a wider range, which I view as more meaningful than 1st place in a narrower range.

I have always stuck by their argument, even when Team USA has led the Gold count at Summer Olympics, where we traditionally perform better. The "official" medal count that is apparently used outside the US has always bugged me.

EDIT: On a related note, I am actually shocked it took until after the Closing Ceremony this time for me to get into this argument again. Pretty sure I've had this argument with other countries' citizens since the Sydney games. I'd almost forgotten that I usually have it.

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:19 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 163):
Yes, 4th by the Gold Medal count. Which makes the other medals superfluous.

Nonsence. All the Medals Count for something. But Gold is the most prestigious one and ranks higher in the official rankings. It's just stupid, that the US media plays by different rules and make up rules of their own. I think it's just expected that the US adhere to the same rules and principles as others do. Is that so difficult to understand ? These Olympics were not as good as we Norwegians had expected. Alot of athletes who we had expected to do alot better, did not rise to the occasion and Norway did'nt achieve the number of golds and other medals we had set out to bring home. Russia got ahead of us in the rankings and the Swedes won over us in certain events ( wich is the worst that can happen to us As we Norwegians say, " We're not in it to win, but to beat the Swedes   " ) But we don't make up our own set of rules because of that.
 
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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:27 pm

Glad to see that the Olympics turned out more or less well. There were some embarrassing hiccups but once the games started going it didn't seem too bad (nothing is perfect.) Glad there weren't any bombings or anything

And in regards to the medals... does it really matter that much? I always thought it made most sense to weigh golds higher than silvers and silvers higher than bronzes. Counting the amount of medals total is pretty silly but I think going just by how many golds then by silvers then by bronzes is a bit off too. Which country is better, one that got one gold and nothing else or a country that got 10 silvers and nothing else? I'd say the latter.

And despite how backwards the gay "propaganda" law is, I'm glad Russia didn't try and prove a point and cause a whole big stink. Hopefully they'll come around
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:50 pm

Right now I am having trouble finding anyone one I know that is sober enough to communicate that is Canadian.

Congratulations on the Hockey Gold.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 165):
And despite how backwards the gay "propaganda" law is, I'm glad Russia didn't try and prove a point and cause a whole big stink. Hopefully they'll come around

I believe it was more about the US media hype than Russian intentions during the games.

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Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:55 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 164):
Nonsence. All the Medals Count for something. But Gold is the most prestigious one and ranks higher in the official rankings. It's just stupid, that the US media plays by different rules and make up rules of their own. I think it's just expected that the US adhere to the same rules and principles as others do. Is that so difficult to understand ? These Olympics were not as good as we Norwegians had expected. Alot of athletes who we had expected to do alot better, did not rise to the occasion and Norway did'nt achieve the number of golds and other medals we had set out to bring home. Russia got ahead of us in the rankings and the Swedes won over us in certain events ( wich is the worst that can happen to us As we Norwegians say, " We're not in it to win, but to beat the Swedes " ) But we don't make up our own set of rules because of that.

See my hypothetical below. The "official" rankings say that 1 Gold is better than many, many other of the two medals. You can "second place is first loser," which I would agree with on an individual basis, but when you're trying to aggregate performance across the entirety of the Olympics makes absolutely no sense to me.

Overall medal count, I believe, is a stronger indicator of general strength across the events.

Yeah, we are the only ones who use this method, and I'm glad we do, because I think the "official" ranking makes less sense.   

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 165):
Which country is better, one that got one gold and nothing else or a country that got 10 silvers and nothing else? I'd say the latter.

Exactly. I am having this discussion with a friend right now who is a huge Olympics buff (same one who I mentioned in another thread was on Team USA's press staff in London. I haven't heard his reply back yet, but I posed to him a hypothetical (I randomly changed the conversation on him, after we were having a discussion for an hour or so about American cities bidding for 2024 and how you'd hypothetically site events in cities like Austin, Boston, or Philly).

If hypothetical Country A won 30 medals in Sochi, with 15 Silver and 15 Bronze bu 0 Gold, can anyone seriously suggest that Country A is really the 22nd best performer behind Slovakia? I invite a rational argument to that extent. I can't see one being forwarded. As I said above, on an individual basis, "second place is first loser", but on an aggregate level, like medal counts across the entire Olympics are, you cannot really rationally argue that 1 Gold is categorically better than many medals of the other 2 colors.

I also agree that perhaps medals should be weighted (most simply, 3 for Gold, 2 for Silver, 1 for Bronze). I admit that in such a system the USA wouldn't end up 2nd, either (3rd behind Canada, much to my chagrin    )
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:06 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 164):

I'd say you have a legitimate case here if the US changed the way they count medals to fit their agenda. Forgive me for not knowing and not taking time to look this up, but in the past if US led in gold but not in overall medal count, did they go by the gold count or the overall count? If they are consistent then I have no problem with it. If they change the count they go by to spin it in their favor, then yeah that's not right.
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:59 am

Medal count is stupid however you tally it.

The point of the Olympics is to bring together the Brotherhood of Man, if only for two weeks.

Both this perennial metallic penis comparison and that drip eye idiot Bob Costas undermine the Olympic Movement.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:56 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 168):

I may be wrong here so correct me please, but the U.S. has always counted Total Medals in its ranking system rather than Gold Medals

On a side note, its funny when you watch one of the events that you were at or a venue you worked on shown on TV. On TV it looks much grander then it actually is.
But you get this warm feeling over you when you realize that you were a part of it and that it was you that made it happen.
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:53 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 161):

I think you mean "consolation best country in the world"

Depends how you look at things. The pun was intended to the members from USA  
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 170):
I may be wrong here so correct me please, but the U.S. has always counted Total Medals in its ranking system rather than Gold Medals

Well then at least we are consistent and just spinning the count in our favor this Olympics.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 170):
On a side note, its funny when you watch one of the events that you were at or a venue you worked on shown on TV. On TV it looks much grander then it actually is.
But you get this warm feeling over you when you realize that you were a part of it and that it was you that made it happen.
Special thanks go out from me personally to all of the volunteers!

I am always fascinated with the difference of experiencing something live versus on TV. Whether it be a concert, a TV show taping or a sporting event, I love how different it feels to actually be there after being so used to seeing something on TV.

I would LOVE to attend the Olympics someday.
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:54 am

Quoting okie (Reply 166):
Congratulations on the Hockey Gold.

Thank You!!
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:43 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 172):

Quoting tu204 (Reply 170):
I may be wrong here so correct me please, but the U.S. has always counted Total Medals in its ranking system rather than Gold Medals

Well then at least we are consistent and not just spinning the count in our favor this Olympics.


Fixed my reply that was missing an important word.  
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:31 pm

Just slept for two days straight. Woke up to eat and shower. Its amazing that I was a part of this all...
I also got an invitation to work Rio.
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Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:11 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 175):
Just slept for two days straight. Woke up to eat and shower. Its amazing that I was a part of this all...
I also got an invitation to work Rio.

What did you do?
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:59 am

Quoting tu204 (Reply 160):
Vic Wild could not achieve anything when he competed for the US, so he married a Russian girl, moved to Russia, got citizenship and won two Gold Medals.

Almost every big country has athletes competing that are not actually from that country originally. That's the nature of immigration these days. I know Vic personally, we know each other from uni, back in our Westminster College days when we both lived in Salt Lake City. Great guy, I'm very happy for his success and am glad that Russia could support his ambitions when the US association denied him.

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:50 am

Well looks like they pulled it off. I love how they poked fun at themselves at the closing ceremony, essentially mimicking their failure at the opening. 2 thumbs up.
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:33 am

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 178):
I love how they poked fun at themselves at the closing ceremony, essentially mimicking their failure at the opening

That is what matters, being able to laugh at oneself. They had some rocky moments but it seemed to go well overall
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:38 am

One thing I find interesting is the lack of stories of bad conditions of accommodations after the first few days of the games. I have heard no stories of bribes needed to get a room, or a seat at a decent restaurant, no transportation issues in the Olympic region or to/from venues and accommodations. Perhaps the non-Russian visitor turnout was lower than expected so less opportunity to try to rip tourists off.

One has to wonder if the USA/western media was overhyping these problems to make Russia and their leader Putin look bad intentionally over issues including over the energy markets, their policies with the Ukraine, Iran, Syria, Russia giving Snowden asylum among others.

While there are huge issues with Russia today, indeed the almost civil war state in the Ukraine that broke late in the last week of the games is very disturbing, somehow these games worked.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:05 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 176):

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RE: Sochi Olympics: Is Sochi Ready?

Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:42 pm

Anyone watching the Paralympics?

I watched Sledge Hockey for the first time several days ago and in all honesty found it just as interesting (if not more) than Ice Hockey.

Looking forward to the Russia-USA final on Saturday.
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