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Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:08 pm

I've never owned a truck or a trailer. I've just bought a 2014 Dutchmen 245RKS at the Tampa RV Show and need to buy a truck to tow it. I have no idea what the best option would be. Should it be a pickup? An SUV? A full-sized van (I'm leaning this way)?

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

The unit in question. http://dutchmentravel-trailers.com/245rks.html

After seeing the Ram 3500, I should also say that after filling the tank, I'd like some money leftover for food.

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Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:18 pm

I think the new RAM 3500 does about 30,000 lbs. A good choice in case you buy another two of those trailers and also need to haul 10 kegs and a bag of marshmallows.
 
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:46 pm

Look at the Ram 1500 Eco Diesel if you want fuel economy. If you get the Tradesman model (stripper) the tow capacity is 9050lbs and starting MSRP is $33,700.
 
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:59 pm

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Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:19 pm

Where do you want to tow it? Roads? Wet grass fields? Mud?

In the last two cases I would advise a farm tractor or a tracked vehicle.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:11 pm

Do you just need to tow it home or are you looking for something to start towing with? If you just need to get it home, there's all kinds of hot-shot load companies out there who are licensed and insured who can get it back to where you want it. If you're looking for something to actually start towing with, the first two question are 1) what kind of ground will you be towing on? 2) what is your budget? Personally, I would prefer a full size SUV such as a Tahoe/Yukon or Expedition as opposed to a pickup. However, if price isn't an issue, you can't beat the power and efficieny of getting a full size diesel pickup. Keep in mind 4x4 usually cuts your towing capacity by a couple hundred pounds.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Thread starter):
After seeing the Ram 3500, I should also say that after filling the tank, I'd like some money leftover for food.

I think you are going to be in the same situation with whatever you buy to tow this thing.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 5):
Do you just need to tow it home or are you looking for something to start towing with?

I plan on living in it full time while touring across the US and Canada.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:11 am

http://www.ford.ca/trucks/f150/features/?searchid=google|ZedF8XDb

I have had no issues with mine, great truck. Not sure a smaller SUV or van would be too great on any kind of incline and non stop driving with something in tow.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:26 am

Looking at the trailer in question, you need to decide whether you would pull it long distances with all the water and things on board. A trailer like that can easily weigh in at 8000+lbs when fully loaded. Frankly, even empty, I would never consider a van to tow this trailer. Not to mention that you would probably be way over the max payload on any sort of van before you put people in it.

At around 7000lbs, any 1/2 ton truck/SUV would be fine for short, infrequent trips. If you are going to tow it long distances or frequently, I'm talking 4+ hours or several times a month, you would almost certainly want to upgrade to a 3/4 or 1 ton truck/SUV. The added capacity will reduce wear and tear on the vehicle, along with pull your load better. I've towed my 18ft enclosed car trailer coming in at around 5500lbs with my Suburban and it did alright. I upgraded to a F250 diesel and it doesn't really seem to notice the light load. There is also the length factor.

At 27ft including the tongue, you don't want to be towing this with a van that is only 18-20 ft long. Think of a small dog with a large tail. Tail wagging the dog anyone??? You don't want to be struggling to keep the trailer in a straight line down the freeway. Get a tow vehicle that will PULL the trailer, not the other way around.

Being a TAG trailer, you will most definitely want to have a weight distributing hitch and a good brake controller on the tow vehicle. A 530lb hitch weight is quite a lot and you would probably start to feel the front wheels unload when maneuvering, not a good thing.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:43 am

Quoting VTBDflyer (Reply 9):

I've been there and done that and it's seriously scary. I had a similar size travel trailer and towed it with an Infiniti SUV - never again. Nothing like knowing there's 7,000lbs of materials behind you and you're not in control to get the blood pumping.

For traveling long distances with this trailer I would absolutely go for a diesel truck. 3/4 ton should do the job. I would guess that a diesel would get the same mileage as a gas when towing a big trailer like this. If you need the extra space then don't buy an SUV, put a topper over the bed. If you were to just tow this thing 10 miles once a month then a 1/2 ton would be fine. But when the trailer is loaded and you're trying to get over the mountains in the heat you will need the extra power.

I have had Chevy and Ford truck in the past. My experience with Ram trucks is they're not great quality wise. The engine and tranny are good but the interior is cheap. Probably why they're outnumber 10-1 on job sites.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 10):

Beyond the ease and comfort of towing, it becomes a safety issue. An inadequate tow vehicle will very quickly be overcome by a large trailer. I've found that the average driver has no idea how much weight can be in these trailers and quickly find themselves in bad situation. I've pulled all around the US and have seen some crazy, dangerous stuff.

I currently get around 8-10mpg towing 6000lbs at 65mph with my F250. When I pull with the Suburban, I see about 6-9mpg. I think in the long run, the extra cost of diesel is washed out.

There are lots of things to consider when looking at a tow vehicle. Weight capacities are just the tip of the iceberg.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:32 am

If you will be towing this 24_7 you will definitely want to get a towing rig, not a half ton car-truck. I tow daily, my truck is a dodge 2500 diesel. I feel in control all the time, and for someone new to towing, this will be a huge benefit. You can get one from 5,000 used to 50k+new, and they all have basically the same engine just different power ratings. My original dodge was a 1998 at 215 hp was a towing beast and i would be happy to go back to that. I assume you will put on a lot of miles so reliability will matter. I have owned three, and in total I've put nearly 400,000 miles on them and i've never been stranded, never needed a tow truck. I am very happy, and its all about the cummins.

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Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:41 am

"Travelling people" here live in these huge campers all year and somehow they manage to tow them with cars, SUVs (Range Rover being pretty common), sometimes vans (Mercedes Viano), so I wouldn't say a pickup truck is mandatory, although in North America it might be the most logical choice.

In Europe you'd need a specific driving license to tow that thing, costing 700€ with about 20 hours of coursework and two driving tests, so consider what other are saying about the risks involved in towing.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:05 am

Thanks for the input, guys. For sure I don't want the tow vehicle doing wheelies!! It'll be just me for starters, and I won't be carrying much of a load with me. Unless I'll be boondocking, I won't be filling the fresh water tanks.

2 more questions...

Diesel or gas?

Which models specifically and with which options?

I like the F-150. The bed will fit a powered parachute!
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 14):
Diesel or gas?

Diesel.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 14):
I like the F-150.

The F150 is a 1/2 ton truck. See posts before about buying a vehicle not fit for what you want to do.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:43 pm

The link provided by YVRLTN showed the F150 could tow 11000+ pounds, and it had served him well.

Nothing's set yet, still looking.

Why diesel over gas?
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:02 pm

Diesel helps you escape from zombies and establish a new life in The Yukon (with your new RV thingy):

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...me_mpc/Unimog.flash.skipintro.html
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:22 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 17):
Diesel helps you escape from zombies

What could a diesel do to help me against zombies that a 12-guage couldn't do?
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting T prop (Reply 2):
Look at the Ram 1500 Eco Diesel if you want fuel economy. If you get the Tradesman model (stripper) the tow capacity is 9050lbs and starting MSRP is $33,700.

That's what I would do, too.

The limiting factor is that 8000 lbs is a *hell* of a big trailer IMO. Just my perspective. To some people it will seem small!

I'd do an SUV either 2 options:

VW Touareg TDI: ~7800 lbs capacity Thread starter: These are out there USED so this is your cheapest option!

Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel: ~7500 lbs capacity Mazda CX-5: 2000 lbs capacity

I would be happiest with the CX5 and a small trailer. Even better, a sport sedan and a tent and a sleeping bag or two. Or just a credit card in your wallet! You can always get a hot shower and breakfast with a credit card. Seeing the great outdoors is a great experience all its own, and some people hate motels and tents (or a mix), so for them, RVs are the ticket.

The Dodge Ecodiesel would work out VERY well for an 8000 lb trailer.

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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 16):
Why diesel over gas?

Diesel is much more efficient than gas. In many cases, double the mpg. It also handles the load better resulting in less wear and tear.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:18 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Seeing the great outdoors is a great experience all its own, and some people hate motels and tents (or a mix), so for them, RVs are the ticket.

My outlook, in a nutshell. I plan to live in this thing. Visiting the assorted, scattered friends. Maybe an airport employee parking lot now and then when I'm off to see the kids in CLO, MNL, and BKK.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting VTBDflyer (Reply 11):

I currently get around 8-10mpg towing 6000lbs at 65mph with my F250. When I pull with the Suburban, I see about 6-9mpg. I think in the long run, the extra cost of diesel is washed out.

Which is worse then the kind of mileage you'll get from the Volvo RV Toter, that sucker won't even register it's towing a load with 7600lbs on the back, he could even fill the water tanks and drive over the Rockies in high summer and it still wouldn't notice the trailer on the back.

This makes some interesting reading. http://rvhaulers.ca/
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:58 pm

With that rig, you should be fine with an F-150, depending on how many hills/mountains you expect to see. With a 5800 dry weight, a realistic estimate is that it would be around 7000-7500 wet. Trying not to be above 80% of your tow capacity as a safety buffer, you're good with anything with a tow rating above around 9,500.

As far as diesel vs gas, diesel will feel a lot better on the hills. I tow my rig (7200lb dry) with an F-150, and it does great most of the time, but you will notice it on the hills. A couple of weeks ago, I was following a friend towing his similar sized rig with an F-350 diesel. I was right with him on the flats, but as soon as we hit a decent sized hill, he started pulling away from me and had about a 10-15 mph lead on me.

In my case, if I had to go out and buy a new truck today, I would probably go for a 250 diesel, but my current setup does the job well enough that I can't justify the expense to replace it prematurely.

FYI... nice floorplan on that rig. I like the double bathroom doors...
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:44 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 21):
My outlook, in a nutshell. I plan to live in this thing. Visiting the assorted, scattered friends. Maybe an airport employee parking lot now and then when I'm off to see the kids in CLO, MNL, and BKK.

Like live-live in it? Oh, interesting. Yeah, then a trailer/puller mix probably makes good sense. You will find diesel pickups have high resale value, so they are expensive.

Maybe a low cost gas Ram would be a good option. If you only tow for 25% of your miles, the diesel is only worth it for bragging rights. A new gas pickup is very capable.

Quoting UPS707 (Reply 23):
Trying not to be above 80% of your tow capacity as a safety buffer, you're good with anything with a tow rating above around 9,500.

Manufacturers are already very conservative these days. I'll use my old Jeep as an example. It has 185hp. Today, a Mazda CX5 has 184hp in 4 cylinder trim. Less torque, more gears. Certainly greater disc brake performance. Equal weight. The Mazda would be a better tow vehicle than the Jeep. But, the rating is 1/3 (2000 vs. 5500). The old ratings were much less safe.
 
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:21 pm

Quoting UPS707 (Reply 23):
FYI... nice floorplan on that rig. I like the double bathroom doors...

I was the first in the door on both days of the show and found nothing that came closer to what I wanted than this. I got it for $16,485.
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:29 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 25):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 25):
I was the first in the door on both days of the show and found nothing that came closer to what I wanted than this. I got it for $16,485.

Nice... the markup on RVs amazes me sometimes. I've bought enough cars over the years that I'm very familiar with the concept of not paying sticker, but when we bought our Coleman last year, it was honestly a surprise. We knew what we were looking for and our budget, and we walked into this one mainly out of curiousity since it was well over our budget. We loved the bunks, 2 slides, and outdoor kitchen, and the salesman seemed to want to sell something that day (don't they always?   ) so we tossed them an offer that we expected to either use as a starting point to negotiations, or get us laughed out of the dealership.... they took the offer as it was, and we've had it over a year now.

Thor (the maker of the Dutchmen and the Coleman Hard-sides) make a good rig and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:28 am

Ram 1500 3.0L V6 Diesel Laramie seems to be the one to beat on fuel economy. T Prop, is this the one you suggested?

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/w...ruck-of-the-Year-Fuel-Economy1.jpg
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:42 am

Given you will be going around the country I would take the load factor and multiply by 1.5 to determine the duty level of the tow vehicle, unless you want to burn up 150/1500 series trucks like a pencil eraser on hot asphalt.

I would get an f-350 or better with an oil cooler and transmission cooler, beefed up braking system with the trailer stability package. When towing a load for the long haul, there is no substitute for overkill and safety. I might also suggest getting formal training on hooking it up, use of safety chains, et cetera. If that thing breaks loose because it was hooked up improperly or your tow vehicle/equipment was substandard you could face criminal charges, especially if somebody gets hurt or dies.

Given the range on conditions, temperatures and grades you will face, economy cannot be the guiding factor.
 
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:48 pm

There is a reason so many F-series Fords have been sold.....
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:23 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
VW Touareg TDI:

Have you seen pics of that thing hooked up to a 747?(albeit, a movie version)

It doesn't look like it will fit my needs.

OK, let's run down the candidates.

----> Models to get/consider, and why...

----> Models to avoid, and why...


Really guys, thanks for all of your invaluable help.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:18 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 27):
Ram 1500 3.0L V6 Diesel Laramie seems to be the one to beat on fuel economy. T Prop, is this the one you suggested?

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/w...ruck-of-the-Year-Fuel-Economy1.jpg

Yes, except the Laramie is the fully loaded version. Here's a video review of the truck>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNnMlHfeZso

[Edited 2014-04-25 01:20:05]
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:54 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 30):
----> Models to get/consider, and why...

----> Models to avoid, and why...

1. Ram 2500 or 3500, Cummins - Reliability+Power+Simplicity - 1998.5 thru 2006 or jump to 2014....avoid 7-13 if possible
2. Chevy or GMC 2500-3500 Duramax, Power+Comfort...Parts and maintenance will be more expensive
3. Ford F250350, powerstroke, Power, Stable chassis....maintenance will be more frequent, not easy to work on either

I have experience with both Ford and Dodge......I would never buy another powerstroke. Anyone who has ever rebuilt the fuel filter assembly would agree. Maintenance on the Cummins is super easy....its almost comical. I just changed my third water pump in 400,000 miles, the garage door was closed for 14 minutes. Thermostat in 5. The 4 speed 48 re can hold over 450 hp, and costs under $2,000 to rebuild although i never actually had to do that.

If you were going to tow this twice a year, you could get by with a smaller truck or suv, but you need a serious truck to do this properly and safely. Avoid any suv or half ton get one of the three above.

Oh and i don't think it has been mentioned, get a good brake controller, it is integrated into the new trucks, but if not you need to buy one. I have a Tekonsha prodigy, an awesome brake controller. Research this too.

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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 32):
avoid 7-13 if possible

Out of interest, what is wrong with 2007 - 2013 Ram / Cummins ?





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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 33):
what is wrong with 2007 - 2013 Ram

The short answer is prior to 2007 avoids EGR

2007 is the year the introduced EGR systems into the Cummins engine, this was an instant 10 to 15 percent reduction in fuel economy since the system burns extra fuel in order to clean out the particulate filter. It also adds a significant amount of complexity and more moving parts. a good friend of mine just traded off a 2011 for a 2014 and he's already happier. In 2014 they changed the system to use diesel exhaust fluid instead of extra fuel.
 
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Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 34):
The short answer is prior to 2007 avoids EGR

2007 is the year the introduced EGR systems into the Cummins engine, this was an instant 10 to 15 percent reduction in fuel economy since the system burns extra fuel in order to clean out the particulate filter. It also adds a significant amount of complexity and more moving parts. a good friend of mine just traded off a 2011 for a 2014 and he's already happier. In 2014 they changed the system to use diesel exhaust fluid instead of extra fuel.

Thanks for the information. If I am in the market for a pickup, Ram with Cummins is likely the number one choice. Too bad about the EGR system, since I like the latest style of the Ram, and the only way to get one without the EGR system is a 2014... big $.





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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:03 pm

Correction, the dodge cummins started using diesel exhaust fluid in 2013....sorry for the mis information.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 35):
only way to get one without the EGR system is a 2014

No it's actually the other way around, the only way to avoid egr is to buy a 2006 or older. Everything newer has egr, but between 07 &12 they also had the particulate filter that ruins your fuel economy. That was fixed for 2013 with the change to def instead.
 
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Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:04 pm

EGR and particulate filter are two separate things, EGRs have been mandatory here for a very long time, while particulate filter are only mandatory since last year.

The EGR is a known trouble maker on some engines, but it shouldn't burn any extra fuel (when working, if it's blocked I don't know), and the particulate filter only burns some fuel when "regenerating", that happens every 1000Km or something like that for 5-10 minutes, there is no way it can really impact fuel economy.

As far as I know all modern diesel engines should sport both, the urea based fluid some manufacturers offers is yet another thing, used to filter NOx gasses, especially in the US where emissions regulations might require it, it doesn't do anything about particulates.

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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 37):
The EGR is a known trouble maker on some engines, but it shouldn't burn any extra fuel (when working, if it's blocked I don't know), and the particulate filter only burns some fuel when "regenerating", that happens every 1000Km or something like that for 5-10 minutes, there is no way it can really impact fuel economy.

On the 2010 V70 we had the economy went through the roof when the filter was regenerating, it also stank.
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:41 pm

While I own an F-150, I'll second other's comments: If you plan on doing a LOT of towing with this trailer, it's a better bet to upgrade to the F-250, or equivalent. I love my F-150, and with the EcoBoost, and it's got a hell of a lot of torque and power for towing heavy things, but I wouldn't even dream of using it to tow a trailer that big (or bigger) on regular basis.

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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 37):

EGR and particulate filter are two separate things, EGRs have been mandatory here for a very long time, while particulate filter are only mandatory since last year.

Yes I understand they are two different things, but I think you are mistaken in stating that egr and particulate filter see required. The government sets an emissions standard, then mfrs have to meet those. The Chevy and Ford guys have had egr forever, but the Cummins passed emissions without it for years.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 37):
but it shouldn't burn any extra fuel

I disagree....on a diesel engine egr has been documented to increase brake specific fuel consumption....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=63FcU8PFLMqCygGa4YHoBA&url=http://www.iaeng.org/publication/WCE2008/WCE2008_pp1548-1552.pdf&cd=4&ved=0CDEQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNF7u2sLnWhqMkASPQxm7z3aUAX1eg

I don't know the affect of a regenerating particulate filter on fuel economy, I'm thinking there are too many variables there to make a conclusion on that. However most are claiming the new system is an improvement.

There are situations where the regenerating particulate filters can cause problems....if you plow snow for a long period of time the truck will need to regenerate at some point, but the truck needs highway speeds to do that. So you have to leave what you are doing in order to drive at highway speed. For most people that would work fine but the designers made some bad assumptions on that.
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:13 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 38):
On the 2010 V70 we had the economy went through the roof when the filter was regenerating, it also stank.

Yes during those minutes it regenerates, it burns more fuel, but I was talking about fuel economy in general. It's like driving pedal to the metal 10 minutes every 1000Km.

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 40):
I disagree....on a diesel engine egr has been documented to increase brake specific fuel consumption....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=63FcU8PFLMqCygGa4YHoBA&url=http://www.iaeng.org/publication/WCE2008/WCE2008_pp1548-1552.pdf&cd=4&ved=0CDEQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNF7u2sLnWhqMkASPQxm7z3aUAX1eg

Interesting read, I'll try and search if there are studies on car engines.

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 40):
There are situations where the regenerating particulate filters can cause problems....if you plow snow for a long period of time the truck will need to regenerate at some point, but the truck needs highway speeds to do that. So you have to leave what you are doing in order to drive at highway speed. For most people that would work fine but the designers made some bad assumptions on that.

I don't know if that's really true (that you need to stop what you're doing), I'll need to read the manual of my parents' new car as it's the first one we got with a particulate filter. It's also a mild hybrid so I wonder what that does to the exhaust system in terms of temperature.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:52 am

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 40):
Yes I understand they are two different things, but I think you are mistaken in stating that egr and particulate filter see required. The government sets an emissions standard, then mfrs have to meet those. The Chevy and Ford guys have had egr forever, but the Cummins passed emissions without it for years.

Yes of course EGR is not mandatory, however it's the reduction of fuel consumption that causes NOx production (leaner mixture, different temperatures etc.), so your choice is between a gas guzzler that passes emission standards without EGR, or an efficient engine with EGR. The problem is even coming to gas engines.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:16 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 39):
I love my F-150, and with the EcoBoost, and it's got a hell of a lot of torque and power for towing heavy things, but I wouldn't even dream of using it to tow a trailer that big (or bigger) on regular basis.

Comments like this shock me. And I'm not trying to be impolite (or even very right) but just more like making conversation. I've got a 3000 lb boat that I tow several times a year with an old Jeep, capacity 5000 lbs. It works ok, no real concerns. Another vehicle we have, a Volvo XC70 (ford Taurus platform) shrugs the load off like nothing. It tracks like an arrow and brakes strongly -- a totally stable tow situation. Just about the max rating for that car (not sure what it is). But it's clearly at home towing that.

Believe an F150 ecoboost is built stronger, has more power and better brakes than a 1994 Dodge 2500 V10. And it probably weighs more.

Maybe I am spouting gibberish but it would seem an Ecoboost Ford is plenty of equipment for this. Tongue weight, is that the main concern?
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:42 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 43):
Maybe I am spouting gibberish but it would seem an Ecoboost Ford is plenty of equipment for this. Tongue weight, is that the main concern?

No, you're right that it can handle this trailer just fine, BUT I wouldn't use it to tow something like the OP suggests on a daily or weekly basis. Several times a year, as you suggest, would be fine, but not weekly or daily. If I didn't care how much I spent in maintenance from constantly pushing it to the max, then sure, why not?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 43):
Believe an F150 ecoboost is built stronger, has more power and better brakes than a 1994 Dodge 2500 V10. And it probably weighs more.

I wouldn't know, but I do know that the new 5.0 V8 has a lot more pep than my old 4.9 i6.
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:23 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 42):
so your choice is between a gas guzzler that passes emission standards without EGR, or an efficient engine with EGR

Go check out my link posted above, this is not true of diesel engines, fuel economy goes down with EGR, not up. If that were the case I would have bought a new truck by now. The problem is that EGR hurts fuel economy AND adds complexity. If it was the other way around, EGR wouldn't be such a negative.

Everyone here seems to agree that the OP needs an over-rated truck in order to pull this load regularly and comfortably. An F-150 may do fine for an occasional tow, but for his needs, a bigger truck will serve him better.
 
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RE: Best Choice To Tow A 7600lb Trailer?

Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 43):
Another vehicle we have, a Volvo XC70 (ford Taurus platform) shrugs the load off like nothing.

Other way around, the Ford Taurus platform was designed by Volvo. The 2.4D V70 we had was a beast for towing, it would tow a braked 1800kg (4000lbs) trailer with ease.

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