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Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 5:02 pm

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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 5:10 pm

Apparently the US is releasing 5 Gitmo detainees to Qatar in exchange.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 5:44 pm

Im glad he's back but........Unfortunately it does appear a trade with those terrorists was involved to get him back. Which may have unfortunate consequences in the future.

So much for not negotiating with terrorists.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 5:54 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):

That's one of the problems with the war on terror... can't try the terrorists, as criminals, in court without very good evidence... can't continue to hold them as POWs if you want your own POWs back... Detaining people at Gitmo indefinitely, without trial, is also a nonstarter.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 7:10 pm

He's a deserter and we should have left him there.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sat May 31, 2014 8:44 pm

I had never heard about him until today (just like you must not have heard of French prisoners of terrorists). However deserting in Afghanistan doesn't seem like a smart thing to do, so I would need some definitive proof.
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*nm don't want to get banned...

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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 4):
He's a deserter and we should have left him there.

I have seen reports that some people angrily question the circumstances of Bergdahl's capture but is it usual to promote soldiers suspected of desertion? Or are promotions automatic, based on length of enlistment?

I ask because the following link states that Bergdahl was captured on 30 June, 2009 and promoted to Sergeant on 12 June, 2011, having previously been promoted to Specialist on 12 June, 2010.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/19/us...cts/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Presumably now that he has been released he will be debriefed and a full investigation of the circumstances of his capture will be able to be conducted.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:26 am

I can see the Republicans - and a few conservative Democrats (especially in NJ-NYC area affected by 9/11) having a riot over this with a few extremist calling for Obama's impeachment.
 
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:13 am

T that Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release, so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists.

I guess we can add that to the list of laws Obama has ignored and willfully violated.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:22 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
T that Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release

Where did you see that??? He may have told congressional leaders.



This doesn't correlate...

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists.

I guess we can add that to the list of laws Obama has ignored and willfully violated.

....with this.....

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Im glad he's back
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:37 am

It correlates.

I'm glad the Kid is back but the ends probably didn't justify the means. Especially if US laws were broken, which it appears they were.
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Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:50 am

All signs point toward him being a deserter, and if that is the case he needs to be court martialed. I have VERY mixed emotions about this.
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Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:19 am

So, the right wingers no longer believe in 'no soldier left behind'. ..

Anything to kick Obama i suppose
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 12):

All signs point toward him being a deserter, and if that is the case he needs to be court martialed. I have VERY mixed emotions about this.

Even if he did desert, you don't know the reasons why. Perhaps he suffered some sort of mental breakdown whilst in Afghanistan? E.g. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. This is quite a big thing in the UK, making sure soldiers from Afghanistan have the right treatment for PTSD. There is even a charity set up specifically for it.

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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:20 am

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 12):
All signs point toward him being a deserter, and if that is the case he needs to be court martialed.

I don't think there's ever been an official determination of the circumstances surrounding his disappearance, with the Taliban claiming that he staggered out of the camp drunk and they easily picked him up, but it does seem as though he should consider himself lucky that, legally speaking, the US isn't at war with Afghanistan. That puts the death penalty off the table.
 
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
that Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release, so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists

How do you know that didn't happen? You do realize that there are many briefings and conversations that go on between certain members of Congress and the White House under any administration that must be classified.

Just because a Constitutional scholar does something does not mean he "willfully" violated the Constitution. But, as has been said numerous times in many threads: anything to kick Obama.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:09 pm

Obama had promised to close Guantanamo though, and that didn't happen.

As for the prisoners being freed, are you sure they're really free ? I wouldn't be surprised if they were provided with a new identity to live in Qatar, without the right to ever leave.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):

I understood the agreement requires them to stay in Qatar a year..
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
Obama had promised to close Guantanamo though, and that didn't happen.

Could there be other reasons for that what we don't know about? Funding? Where to put them?

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 18):
I understood the agreement requires them to stay in Qatar a year..

And, thanks to Patriot Act and enhanced NSA tactics since 9/11, you know those released will be tracked.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:19 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us...n-soldier-is-freed-by-taliban.html

Apparently Obama had a signing statement when he signed the bill that allowed him to override the 30 day wait restriction.

"When Mr. Obama signed a bill containing the latest version of the transfer restrictions into law, he issued a signing statement claiming that he could lawfully override them under his executive powers."

I'm curious about the circumstances regarding his disappearance but regardless of the outcome I'm happy for his family that they are able to see their son again.
 
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:24 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Im glad he's back but........Unfortunately it does appear a trade with those terrorists was involved to get him back. Which may have unfortunate consequences in the future.

So much for not negotiating with terrorists.

Not just terrorists, but Taliban commanders.

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 4):
He's a deserter and we should have left him there.

Sounds like desertion.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
T that Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release, so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists.

I guess we can add that to the list of laws Obama has ignored and willfully violated.

Yeah, but it's okay 'cause it's Bushie's fault.

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 12):
All signs point toward him being a deserter, and if that is the case he needs to be court martialed. I have VERY mixed emotions about this.

At the least a deserter, some of his unit claim he was a sympathizer.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
So, the right wingers no longer believe in 'no soldier left behind'. ..

When the soldier asks to meet the enemy and goes AWOL under his own power, well.......

Quoting a320ajm (Reply 14):
Even if he did desert, you don't know the reasons why. Perhaps he suffered some sort of mental breakdown whilst in Afghanistan? E.g. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

He deserted a month after being stationed in Afghanistan. It has been said the Sgt roamed freely around Afghan villages till the Taliban started considering him a liability so then decided to agree to a swap. The things he told his parents and unit do not point towards PTSD.

Lots of unanswered questions.



Sgt Bergdahl told parents he was ashamed to be a American, father is a muslim convert, Afghan villagers said he asked them about contacting Taliban, he walked away from his base under his own power, held by one of the if not most ruthless Taliban networks and lives with his head still attached. Wonder if the rest of the story will ever come out, 6 Soldiers died searching for him, it goes on and on,...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1812434

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergda ... r-or-hero/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/06/01/ ... wap-122571

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

Wonder if ABCNNBCBS will report the rest of the story. Lots of questions.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:55 am

Let's not forget 6 solders were KIA looking for him either.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:48 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 19):
Could there be other reasons for that what we don't know about? Funding? Where to put them?

Sure there are plenty of reasons, but those were known when he made the promise. Guantanamo exists because it allows to circumvent US laws.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 21):
Not just terrorists, but Taliban commanders.

So are they terrorists, or POW ?
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:10 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
T that Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release, so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists.

I guess we can add that to the list of laws Obama has ignored and willfully violated.

Gizmo violates basic human rights and international laws, Obama only complied with those by releasing those poor souls.

Thank Obama for being such a humane person instead of listening hateful brainwashed Republicans.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:17 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 24):
Obama only complied with those by releasing those poor souls.

"Poor souls"...  
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:20 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 25):
"Poor souls"...  

Something with which you would't be familiar with !    
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 24):
Obama only complied with those by releasing those poor souls.

Poor souls? A poor soul is one that didn't have to die in a bombing. A soul that purposely kills in the name of a deity is not poor. It's rotten and deserves no less than what they seek to do.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
So much for not negotiating with terrorists.
Indeed
Meeting with terrorists is beyond the presidency. Good to know that previous presidents never considered negotiating with terrorists.

Not even Iran should be contacted.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:47 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 24):
Obama only complied with those by releasing those poor souls.

Poor souls!? Give this a read and let me know if you still think the swapped prisoners are "poor souls."

Swapped Prisoners Bio

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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):
So are they terrorists, or POW ?

Since they are at Guantanamo , they are not labeled as either as of yet. However since they were captured as part of the war in Afghanistan, they are more likely to be considered POW's than anything else. Technically we declared Afghanistan a terrorist supporting state and the Taliban was in power, but we declared war. Once the Afghan war is over, I would imagine they would somehow have won their freedom anyhow in a court. Afghanistan can deal with them if they see them as terrorists. However based on the power structure and their connections, I do not see that happening.

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 22):
Let's not forget 6 solders were KIA looking for him either.

Unfortunately whether he was considered a deserter or kidnapped, those folks did their jobs and followed the orders given to them to try to find him, and it is highly sad and unfortunate for a multitude of reasons that their orders got them killed whether society deems it worth it or not.

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 1):
Apparently the US is releasing 5 Gitmo detainees to Qatar in exchange.

I find it highly uneven myself, buy when you only have one chip to negotiate with, and the value of the other chips are on a road to being worth nothing, perhaps it is time to deal.


We will have to see what cases are brought against Berghadi if he is accused of being a deserter.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 12):
All signs point toward him being a deserter, and if that is the case he needs to be court martialed. I have VERY mixed emotions about this.

horse-shit, if he deserted he'd have been useless to the Taliban because he'd effectively be one of them. They used him to get their people free, you don't need much intellect to work that out.

anyway, I sure a drone strike will be on the cards 365 days from now when those freed will be allowed to travel.
 
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:11 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 25):
"Poor souls"...

Love the sarc. Poor souls is right. Killers. Women abusers.

** Mohammed Fazl – commanded the main force fighting the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in 2001, and served as chief of army staff under the Taliban regime. Fazl slaughtered thousands of Shiites.

** Mullah Norullah Noori - served as governor of Balkh province in the Taliban regime and played some role in coordinating the fight against the Northern Alliance. -
** Mohammed Nabi Omari – the Taliban’s chief of communications and helped al Qaeda members escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan.
** Khairullah Khairkhwa – most prominent position was as governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001, and he was alleged to have been “directly associated” with Osama bin Laden.
** Abdul Haq Wasiq – deputy chief of the Taliban regime’s intelligence service. His cousin was head of the service.

Gave up 5 terrorists to bring back a deserter, and lost 6 in the process of looking for this coward. Good going Obama, stopped everyone and shifted the focus off your VA scandal,...


Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29, of San Antonio, Texas


http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d5/a9/fb/d5a9fb19df58d64754319b9bcd82c61a.jpg
Private 1st Class Morris Walker, 23, of Chapel Hill, N.C.



Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, 27, of Murray, Utah



2nd Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, 34, of Dallas, Texas



Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, 25, of Snyder, Texas



Private 1st Class Matthew Martinek, 20, of DeKalb, Ill.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 30):
, if he deserted he'd have been useless to the Taliban because he'd effectively be one of them. They used him to get their people free, you don't need much intellect to work that out.

The circumstances of his disappearance are a "little fishy", to say the least.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 30):
They used him to get their people free, you don't need much intellect to work that out.

Yeah, explain that to Obama.
 
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:17 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Obama didn't notify congress 30 days prior to a gizmo release, so it appears that he did violate the law to release those five terrorists.

The White House has said that there have been ongoing discussions for years with the appropriate people in Congress on obtaining this guy's release.

As for negotiating with terrorists, how about Reagan handing them 1,500 missiles for the release of those Americans taken hostage from the US Embassy in Iran?
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:35 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):
Guantanamo exists because it allows to circumvent US laws.

It is United States territory and falls under United States law. It is not like black sites in Kazakhstan or Albania. Remember that it was the Bush administration who labeled all POWs as "enemy combatants" so they would not have to deal with those pesky international war laws.

This is simply another case of "it was fine when the other guy did it before but we are outraged now that the exact same thing is happening with a different guy."
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 28):
Poor souls!? Give this a read and let me know if you still think the swapped prisoners are "poor souls."

Swapped Prisoners Bio

Other than this one guy who's guilty of massacring civilians most of them don't seem particularly bad by Afghan standards. Current Afghan government & military are totally full of people guilty of all kinds of crimes anyway, I'm sure these will fit the big picture just fine. Simply them working for Taliban doesn't mean they are particularly bad guys by local standards.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 31):
Women abusers.

Since when anyone in local male population actually gave a damn about women rights or human rights in general, apart from very few exceptions?

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 31):
and lost 6 in the process of looking for this coward.

Nobody forced them to go there, AFAIK United States has no conscription. Every US soldier who died in any of these useless conflicts did so from his/her own free will, war isn't safe.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:05 am

I hate how Republicans tend to jump on the administration no matter what happens before learning the details but I have to agree... this seems pretty fishy...

I'll wait for more details before passing judgement
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 36):
I'll wait for more details before passing judgement

I don't know how much more information we will get. Keep in mind, this is about a terror organization during a time of war.
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:13 am

Read this in an AP article on Yahoo and it's the most telling..

"Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with silence when he told a group of them in a Bagram Air Field hangar: "This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.""
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:21 am

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 38):
"Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with silence

I could care less if they disagreed with the President's decision, or all the effort military personnel put into getting Bergdahl back. When they show that level of disrespect to the SecDef they bring more shame on themselves than the GOP who wants to dump on that back guy they don't like.

When I served you bloody demonstrated respect to those above you, even when you personally held different viewpoints. I'm in the process of reading Duty by Robert Gates (the previous Sec Def) and the traditional standards of respect was demonstrated in every part I've read.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 38):
"Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with silence when he told a group of them in a Bagram Air Field hangar: "This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.""

So much for "leave no man behind" and "respect the CIC no matter what"....
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:52 am

Quoting pvjin (Reply 35):
Nobody forced them to go there, AFAIK United States has no conscription

This is so absolutely off the mark. The US Army gives them orders, but then what could one expect of someone who hasn't served.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 36):
I'll wait for more details before passing judgement

The anger is mounting with ever louder calls of foul.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/06/0...r-treatment.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

From one of the left leaning media outlets,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html

"At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for Bergdahl, and many soldiers in his platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika province in the days and weeks following his disappearance."

" told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him."

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 38):
"Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with silence when he told a group of them in a Bagram Air Field hangar: "This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.""

Could hear the silence, it was deafening.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 40):
So much for "leave no man behind" and "respect the CIC no matter what"....

When he deserts to the 'other side' why waste lives looking for him, he's made his choice after all. Respect the CIC, ha ha, Clinton and Obama never have earned the respect of the military. Bushie did, even though it was in the National Guard, but he was a fighter pilot. But as military men swearing to uphold their oath, they will obey the President of the United States, but no where, no where does it say they have to respect the President. Kinda like the wonderful 8 years of respect Bushie received from the other side.

http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html

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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:02 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
Quoting seb146 (Reply 40):

I served in the Corps myself. The problem is that this administration has destroyed morale (at least in the Marine Corps). SNCOs are leaving in droves due to a litany of issues from the repeal of don't ask don't tell to trying to force women into infantry units. The military has been politicized and it shows. Don't blame the troops, it's the utter failure of top tier leadership that is at fault.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 33):
The White House has said that there have been ongoing discussions for years with the appropriate people in Congress on obtaining this guy's release.

I wish the Obama Administration had put this much effort into saving the people who were truly left behind in Benghazi...   
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:30 am

Here is an interesting article:

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/...negotiating-for-bergdahls-release/

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 42):
this administration has destroyed morale

It could never have been perpetual war that did it. Only this administration. yep.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 41):
This is so absolutely off the mark. The US Army gives them orders, but then what could one expect of someone who hasn't served.

Quite right. All those servicemen should sue the US government. When they joined the Army nobody told them that they might be ordered to a war zone.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:54 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 41):
This is so absolutely off the mark. The US Army gives them orders, but then what could one expect of someone who hasn't served.

I know. That's exactly the reason why I'm not planning to do actual military service but the civilian alternative, I don't like blind obeying of orders.
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:01 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 40):
So much for "leave no man behind" and "respect the CIC no matter what"....

But have a GOP administration and any sign of disrespect to the CiC is unpatriotic and grounds to call you a terrorist (or be charged with treason).

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 42):
the repeal of don't ask don't tell to trying to force women into infantry units.

Who says women are being FORCED into infantry units? It's one thing to lift the ban on both LGBT and women to serve as they wish, it's another to put them against their will in some units.

Did the world end when the gay Joe Average or Jane Doe enlisted to serve alongside you?
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:12 pm

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 42):
I served in the Corps myself. The problem is that this administration has destroyed morale (at least in the Marine Corps). SNCOs are leaving in droves due to a litany of issues from the repeal of don't ask don't tell to trying to force women into infantry units. The military has been politicized and it shows. Don't blame the troops, it's the utter failure of top tier leadership that is at fault.

That's the word among our military servicemen and women. This administration, not Bushie's.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 43):
I wish the Obama Administration had put this much effort into saving the people who were truly left behind in Benghazi...

Absolutely. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, RIP. You were failed by this administration you served.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 44):
It could never have been perpetual war that did it. Only this administration. yep.

Keep pounding that farce, someday someone might believe it.

Quoting PhilBy (Reply 45):
Quite right. All those servicemen should sue the US government. When they joined the Army nobody told them that they might be ordered to a war zone.

They were in it for the free stuff, deploying to a war zone was not in their thoughts when they joined. And it is almost always a certain person of a particular political persuasion.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 47):
But have a GOP administration and any sign of disrespect to the CiC is unpatriotic and grounds to call you a terrorist (or be charged with treason).

Ha ha ha, because any sign of disrespect towards the CIC has never been seen by democrats and liberals. From the looks of it in the video, seems to be a racial thing too. That's why democrat whines of foul fall on many deaf ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvX8YHzMLQ
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RE: Bergdahl Released By Taliban

Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:19 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 36):
I hate how Republicans tend to jump on the administration no matter what happens before learning the details but I have to agree... this seems pretty fishy...

I'll wait for more details before passing judgement

There is a big issue with how we are working to establish peace in Afghanistan. The Taliban is not being treated as a terrorist organization, and they are actively being negotiated with. As such, their POW's are going to be seen as prisoners of war instead of terrorists. This is about the only reason I can see for why such a deal was done. However the Administration is not doing much of a service to themselves by not solidly establishing their reasoning. A lot of folks see the Taliban as terrorists.
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