Anti-Semitic Terror In Brussels:global Jihad+Syria

todaReisinger · Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:14 am

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/01/wo...wish-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

There is a very dangerous phenomenon which is developing in Europe: hundreds of young Europeans - some from Muslim families, some newly converts - are heading to Syria to take part in the war and, if and when they come back, they are trained to commit all kinds of violent attacks.

The deadly attack at the Jewish museum of Belgium is one sad example of this trend. Specialists warn of a large scale danger and point out the fact that it is almost impossible to keep such individuals under control.

The one who apparently committed the crimes in Brussels was on a French red list of potentially dangerous Islamic extremists - but being on such a list does not change anything.

Many of these "volunteers" for Jihad are recruited - and sometimes converted to Islam - while in prison. At least in France, but I am sure the same is true in other European countries.

Do you know anything specific in your home countries?

As I don't see an end to the fightings in Syria, I don't feel as safe as I used to feel until now when travelling in Europe or even when going to a Jewish event or Jewish place here at home, in Switzerland.

We'll have again to have guards everywhere. And maybe to have security checks before boarding a train - like for airplanes.

prebennorholm · Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:14 am

Quoting todareisinger (Thread starter):
Do you know anything specific in your home countries?

The situation here in Denmark is much the same. Government has requested police to keep a sharp eye on the situation.

More than a hundred "Danish" islamists are believed to have gone to Syria to fight (roughly a dozen are believed to have been killed down there).

We are worried that some come back converted into insane monsters. Hopefully police manages to fence it in somehow.

AyostoLeon · Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:23 am

First off, I am pleased to learn that an arrest has been made and hopefully information may be gained to prevent further attacks.

The issue of so-called Jihadis travelling to Syria is a concern here in Australia too. It is estimated that over 200 people with Australian citizenship have travelled to join one or other faction since the civil war commenced. Of course there is the concern that they may return to Australia and prepare violent attacks or that they may become mercenaries in various regional conflicts. There are about 20 Muslims jailed for terrorism-related offences in Australia.

In a report tabled in Parliament, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) stated it "investigated several hundred mostly Australia-based individuals who are advocates of a violent Islamist ideology." ASIO went on to say "There has been an increase in Australians travelling overseas to participate in terrorist training or engage in foreign disputes - Syria is the primary destination."

https://www.asio.gov.au/img/files/ASIO-Report-to-Parliament-2012-13.pdf

The report does not highlight particular risks to Australia's Jewish community (it is possible that the "Top Secret" unpublished part might contain such information) but other sources , including police and Jewish community organisations, indicate that there has been an increase in the number of anti-Semitic incidents, mainly involving graffiti and harassment, though there has been a few incidents involving physical violence against Jews. The incidence tends to increase with outbreaks of violence in the Middle East.

[Edited 2014-06-01 19:29:04]

ImperialEagle · Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:23 pm

Quoting todareisinger (Thread starter):
The one who apparently committed the crimes in Brussels was on a French red list of potentially dangerous Islamic extremists - but being on such a list does not change anything.

Yeah, this trash had a lengthy rap sheet. From a newsletter in Israel Hayom;

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=17925

I saw this Op/Ed in the Hayom last week. I think a lot of European Jews gave that a lot of thought.
The mantra of "never again" is a false dream. History repeats itself. And if nothing else, by now we should have learned that nobody cares for us but us.
Here' the link to the Op/Ed:

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=8545

[Edited 2014-06-02 06:31:57]

solarflyer22 · Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:31 pm

Yeah, it's going to boomerang and come back to haunt both the EU and the US. There was a recent suicide bombing in Syria led by a kid born and raised in the US. The factions the West has aligned itself with in Syria are deeply radicalized and its radicalizing its owned citizens. Those citizens aren't going to be well known or easy to track and they'll have clean passports when they return to their home countries. They are not lawfully entering Syria with a Visa and stamp in their passport. They are flying to Turkey or Jordan, blending in with millions of law abiding travelers, then crossing the non-existent border into Syria. When they turn back, they just reverse the process and fly back home on TK as many people do. There are probably thousands of people and slim chance that any intelligence agency will catch them all PRIOR to committing a crime.

Even if you knew someone had been in Syria, how to do differentiate between an aid working and a potential terrorist? I had a friend that just returned from 2 months of humanitarian work in a refugee camp. Even if someone joined the Syria "Rebels" I don't really know that its illegal or how long you'd be able to detain them upon return to their nation of citizenship? Are you going to through them in Gitmo for life or hold them for 30 days even though they haven't committed a crime yet on EU or US soil? Its a big mess.

The US and EU should have long ago stayed out of Syria and not backed said "rebels" imo. They should have banned all travel to Syria punishable by 10 years in jail for any citizen seeking to join either side.

DeltaMD90 · Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:14 am

Europeans, is this a highly rising problem or is this a slight rise with sporadic attacks mixed with a Red Scare-like mentality? Not trying to downplay the severity, just trying to get a better grasp of the situation

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 3):
And if nothing else, by now we should have learned that nobody cares for us but us.

False

ImperialEagle · Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
trying to get a better grasp of the situation

An op/ed from the Israel Hayom:

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=8603

And here's another one also from Israel Hayom:

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=8599

This should give you a pretty good idea of whats going on. Not much else I can get into detail with because freedom of speech is anathema to Islam. Providing too much in-depth information on this blog will get it removed.

[Edited 2014-06-02 20:19:24]

AyostoLeon · Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:16 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 6):
Providing too much in-depth information on this blog will get it removed.

"Safari can't open the page....because Safari can't find the server www.israelhayom.com" is the message that appears when I try to follow your links. I'll try again later in the hope that I can read what is written there.

Aesma · Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:31 am

Someone whose hope is that Jews everywhere will migrate to Israel isn't really objective.

I must confess I don't know many Jews, because in France religion is a private matter, and unless they dress "orthodox style" I can't know. However the few I know are my sister-in-law and her family, and they're as French as you can get, they don't plan to leave. Then again they're not practicing either.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Europeans, is this a highly rising problem or is this a slight rise with sporadic attacks mixed with a Red Scare-like mentality? Not trying to downplay the severity, just trying to get a better grasp of the situation

The highly rising problem is the number of people that go to Syria and other battlegrounds and might come back trained soldiers. This isn't a new phenomenon and has existed for decades, but with the internet, more people, younger, even girls and families, go.

Two have come back and committed attacks, it's not good but not the everyday concern of people. Some more have been arrested red-handed, and the national and international cooperation to keep track of all those coming back is ramping up.

ImperialEagle · Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 7):
"Safari can't open the page.

Ayostus, I tried it and didn't have a problem opening the link. I don't know what to tell you.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
they're as French as you can get, they don't plan to leave. Then again they're not practicing either.

Yes. I know French Jews as well and they have no plans to leave. The Spanish Jews were proud to be Spanish until the inquisition and then it was too late. The German Jews were proud to be Germans until the Nazis came to power and then it was too late. All I am saying is they shouldn't wait until a house falls on their heads to figure out a plan. Most German Jews waited too long. Also, there was nowhere to go if they did try to get out.

Now, there is someplace to go. Our natural and traditional homeland of Judea and Samaria -------Israel.

DeltaMD90 · Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:24 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 9):
Yes. I know French Jews as well and they have no plans to leave. The Spanish Jews were proud to be Spanish until the inquisition and then it was too late. The German Jews were proud to be Germans until the Nazis came to power and then it was too late. All I am saying is they shouldn't wait until a house falls on their heads to figure out a plan. Most German Jews waited too long. Also, there was nowhere to go if they did try to get out.

Are you saying that countries like France are going to kill their Jewish populations??!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 9):
Now, there is someplace to go. Our natural and traditional homeland of Judea and Samaria -------Israel.

I have a huge problem with groups of people thinking they own land because of "tradition" no matter what. I mean sure, Israel is there now so I have no problem with Jews going to the parts of Israel they already own but just because one's ancient book says they own some land doesn't entitle them to it

bwest · Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:45 pm

How I wish that scum would just get their brains blown out over in Syria. Unfortunately many do return. Why, one would wonder... the war is still raging in Syria. Maybe the wanna-be Jihadi's got scared when they found themselves in a real war situation and came running back, frantically clutching their European passports.

Anyway... problem in Europe is the information not being shared efficiently between the various countries. Our "French" friend may have been known as dangerous by the French authorities, but Belgian law enforcement had no clue on who he was. So this info about potentional terrorists definitely should be available EU-wide, and why not even worldwide.

And to Imperial Eagle: these are actions by individuals or groups, not by governments, nor are they supported by European governments or population. All European countries strongly condemn these cowardly acts and do their utmost to catch the terrorists. Not comparable at all to what happened in Nazi Germany or earlier in history.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):

I have a huge problem with groups of people thinking they own land because of "tradition" no matter what. I mean sure, Israel is there now so I have no problem with Jews going to the parts of Israel they already own but just because one's ancient book says they own some land doesn't entitle them to it

²

ImperialEagle · Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:44 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Are you saying that countries like France are going to kill their Jewish populations?

Ridiculous comment.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
I have a huge problem

Well, I'm glad you realize it.

Quoting bwest (Reply 11):
Not comparable

So far, but, history has a habit of repeating itself and time changes everything.

AyostoLeon · Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:05 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 9):
Ayostus, I tried it and didn't have a problem opening the link. I don't know what to tell you.

It's OK. I tried a bit later, having first tried to access via Google with there same result, and the pages showed up. A temporary glitch it seems. Makes for very interesting reading and fits with some of the experiences here in Australia. It really is too bad when a community school or halls need to have security fences and cameras. The only other people who do that are the criminal bikie groups and they do it for completely different reasons.

ImperialEagle · Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:48 am

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 13):
. A temporary glitch it seems.

O.k. so here's another op/ed from Hayom---seems like they are on a roll!

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/news...ion.php?id=8611&act=send_to_friend

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 13):
too bad when a community school or halls need to have security fences and cameras

Yes. Crazy man!

DeltaMD90 · Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:49 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 12):

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Are you saying that countries like France are going to kill their Jewish populations?

Ridiculous comment.

Well I'm having a hard time reading it any other way. It happened in Spain centuries ago, it happened in Germany decades ago, Jews should leave before the house falls on their head. How else am I supposed to take that comment?

TheCommodore · Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 15):
How else am I supposed to take that comment?

Like a grain of salt...... its insignificant !

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