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My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:50 am

Seems the internet crowd has decided to add some interesting comments to an Amazon item, My Parents Open Carry. The book description reads:

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Come join 13-year-old Brenna Strong along with her mom, Bea, and her dad, Richard, as they spend a typical Saturday running errands and having fun together. What's not so typical is that Brenna's parents lawfully open carry handguns for self-defense. The Strongs join a growing number of families that are standing up for their 2nd Amendment rights by open carrying and bringing gun ownership out of the closet and into the mainstream. If you open carry and have a difficult time explaining why to your family and friends, or if you want to learn about the open carry of a handgun, or if you've wondered if open carry is right for you, then this book is what you need. My Parents Open Carry was written in the hope of providing a basic overview of the right to keep and bear arms as well as the growing practice of the open carry of a handgun. We fear our children are being raised with a biased view of our constitution and especially in regards to the 2nd Amendment. Before writing this, we looked for pro-gun children's books and couldn't find any. Our goal was to provide a wholesome family book that reflects the views of the majority of the American people, i.e., that self-defense is a basic natural right and that firearms provide the most efficient means for that defense. We truly hope you will enjoy this book and read and discuss it with your children over and over again. As you read this book, you will learn about the growing practice of open carry, the 2nd Amendment, and the right and responsibility of self-defense. Home School Teachers: This book is an excellent text to use as a starting point on the discussion of the 2nd Amendment.

Fear, indeed!

Some of the reviews are pretty funny:

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4,476 of 4,607 people found the following review helpful
Subtle and Insightful
By D. Milliken on August 16, 2014
Format: Paperback
Can't wait for the sequel,. "My Black Parents Open Carried Until the Police Shot Them 146 Times".
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Five Stars
By michael on August 19, 2014
Format: Paperback
Not quite as compelling as the first book, 'What Would Jesus Carry?"
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2,383 of 2,470 people found the following review helpful
A Triumph of the Human Spirit
By K. Pike on August 19, 2014
Format: Paperback
I laughed, I cried ...I accidentally shot my mailman in the face
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First in a Trilogy
By SJ Hatu on August 19, 2014
Format: Paperback
I understand that this book is the first in a Trilogy. The second and third book, "There's Fluoride in my Water!" and Where's the President's Birth Certificate" are due out before Thanksgiving.
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Quite an interesting slice of the culture wars.

I found the following bit to be its own form of commentary:

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:53 pm

I'm trying so hard not to laugh right now just because I'm at work...but this is pure gold.

Reminds me of the Haribo Gummy Bears reviews and the banana cutter reviews.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:15 pm

I love this part of the books write up:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Before writing this, we looked for pro-gun children's books and couldn't find any.

.... hmmmm...

Should have taken the clue....   


A perfect book to pair it with would be:


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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:06 pm

Based on the first page of text, this one's a keeper!

The Strong family consists of Richard Strong, his wife Bea and their 13 year old daughter, Brenna. The Strong family live in a modest home in a medium-sized town in the Midwest.

One morning, Brenna was sleeping and dreaming dreams only a 13 year old girl would dream, when she heard he
[sic] mom say..."Brenna...honey....wake up".

Brenna wasn't sure she heard her mom, so she rolled over and placed a pillow over her head. Brenna's mom said..."Brenna, come on Sweetheart, we have lots to do today. We have errands to run, people to see, and places to go!"


Gee, I can't wait to see what's on page two!
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:34 pm

Yawn!

So what?

Some people choose to carry a firearm openly. So, it's natural the kids in the family may have questions about it, since the media, various groups and some politicians are doing their damdest to stigmatize the practice.

I seem to recall a small up-roar about another 'lifestyle' book:

http://www.amazon.com/Heather-Has-Mommies-Leslea-Newman/dp/155583180X

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
"My Black Parents Open Carried Until the Police Shot Them 146 Times".

And, of course, since it's funny, it's not race-baiting, right?

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 3):

You've read children's books before, haven't you?
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:39 pm

And here I thought only the gays and environmentalists were trying to indoctrinate the kids and infiltrate the schools  
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:41 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
"My Black Parents Open Carried Until the Police Shot Them 146 Times".

And, of course, since it's funny, it's not race-baiting, right?

It's not baiting if it's true.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:10 pm

Quoting d l x (Reply 6):
It's not baiting if it's true.

It's not true.
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:20 pm

I just mentioned in another thread how impressed I was on a recent trip to Korea. It made me wonder what all these extreme gun nuts (and children's books authors) must think when they travel to any one of the freedom loving nations that join the United States on the list of the world's most advanced nations. Hmmm, no open carry, no hand guns per se, murder rates 95%+ lower than in the US...I wonder if they see some kind of recurring pattern as they travel throughout Europe and Asia, do they detect a potential lesson to teach their children? Naaah!

Maybe that'll be a good book sequel "Why Imprisoned Socialists in Australia and Germany Gave Up Their Gun Rights and How American Children Can Save Them by Promoting US Freedom Values Through Triple Cheeseburgers and Country Music".
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:20 pm

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 7):
Quoting d l x (Reply 6):
It's not baiting if it's true.

It's not true.

I don't know...haven't we seen enough cases of double standards when two people of different races carry guns?

This image serves to further the point
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 7):
Quoting d l x (Reply 6):
It's not baiting if it's true.

It's not true.

Apparently, you haven't been watching the news.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:48 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 8):
Maybe that'll be a good book sequel "Why Imprisoned Socialists in Australia and Germany Gave Up Their Gun Rights and How American Children Can Save Them by Promoting US Freedom Values Through Triple Cheeseburgers and Country Music".

And maybe you can keep your opinion in your country, while those of us in the US exercise our rights to own and use firearms.

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Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:53 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 3):
Based on the first page of text, this one's a keeper!

The writing alone is terrible, and that blatant overuse of ellipsis. Gah!

I can write this first page better on the spot:

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Brenna Strong was a typical 13 year old girl. She was still clinging to her childhood with a wall full of dolls, but it was also evident that she was blossoming into a young woman based on the posters of boy bands on her walls. She lived with her mom and dad in a fairly modest home in the Midwest, and despite their best efforts, even they couldn't stop Brenna from sleeping in on a nice day.

KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!

"Brenna, honey, breakfast is getting cold," her mother, Bea, announced through the door. "Get up soon, dear, we have some errands to run as well."

Then there's the art. Overall, it's not bad art, but can reach into uncanny valley sometimes, especially the father who makes me think that I'm watching Victor Victoria.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
And maybe you can keep your opinion in your country, while those of us in the US exercise our rights to own and use firearms.

Right, because there's nothing we can learn from anyone else ...  
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
You've read children's books before, haven't you?

You've read jokes before, haven't you?

And yes, I've read plenty of children's books. Most of them are well-written.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
And maybe you can keep your opinion in your country, while those of us in the US exercise our rights to own and use firearms.

Why do people insist on saying this? Doesn't sound xenophobic or anything....

...and, by the way, the location in his profile says "SFO, CA", which, last I checked, is in the US.
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:25 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
...and, by the way, the location in his profile says "SFO, CA", which, last I checked, is in the US.

Because he's flying some flag that isn't the US flag. So yes, in this case what I posted would be correct.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Why do people insist on saying this? Doesn't sound xenophobic or anything....

Because a vast confiscation, like what was done in Australia, will not work here. We will stand and fight for our rights.

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Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:29 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 8):

I just mentioned in another thread how impressed I was on a recent trip to Korea. It made me wonder what all these extreme gun nuts (and children's books authors) must think when they travel to any one of the freedom loving nations that join the United States on the list of the world's most advanced nations. Hmmm, no open carry, no hand guns per se, murder rates 95%+ lower than in the US.

"95% lower"?

About which countries do we speak?
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
I seem to recall a small up-roar about another 'lifestyle' book:

I did not know that it was still considered a "lifestyle" by knowledgeable people (and I think you are fairly knowledgeable).

Quoting skyservice_330 (Reply 5):
And here I thought only the gays and environmentalists were trying to indoctrinate the kids and infiltrate the schools  

Oh no, everyone indoctrinates! Religions do it best though.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
DiamondFlyer

Touchy touchy!

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
And maybe you can keep your opinion in your country, while those of us in the US exercise our rights to own and use firearms.

This IS my country, but it doesn't mean I'm ever going to give up on trying to improving it, even if it means looking outside of it for clues on how to do so.

In the 30 most advanced nations on Earth there are two statistical outliers so obviously different in the United States that even a small child could point them out in a simple classroom exercise. One is gun prevalence and the other is murder. Anyway, my stance is about as middle road as it gets. I love shooting guns, I just want their distribution to be more regulated. I want this country to try tactics and strategies that work elsewhere, just the same way our best companies do.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:37 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
"95% lower"?

About which countries do we speak?

A lot of the ones here:
http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/.../2012/12/firearm-OECD-UN-data3.jpg

I know the Post is a Socialist rag but I think the OECD is fairly agnostic is terms of political bent.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:37 pm

sigh,

While I support open carry, I don't support morons who open carry just to antagonize people to prove their point. Walking down the street carrying an AR-15 just because it's cool, then gets upset when someone calls the cops, and then the cops have the nerve to ask simple questions, like..."why are you carrying this rather large and intimidating firearm down the street for no apparent reason?" and/or "can I see your ID please?"

(note: I have nothing against the AR-15 either, just an example I have seen)

I do love the comments, I really am looking forward to "There's Fluride in my Water!" and "Where's the President's Birth Certificate"


"My Black Parents Open Carried Until the Police Shot Them 146 Times".

This would be funny if it wasn't so sadly true.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:44 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
Because he's flying some flag that isn't the US flag. So yes, in this case what I posted would be correct.

Sorry, not correct:

Quoting wingman (Reply 18):
This IS my country
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Why do people insist on saying this? Doesn't sound xenophobic or anything....

Because a vast confiscation, like what was done in Australia, will not work here. We will stand and fight for our rights.

You didn't answer the question. I didn't ask "why do we not adopt Australia's gun-control laws?"

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
"My Black Parents Open Carried Until the Police Shot Them 146 Times".

And, of course, since it's funny, it's not race-baiting, right?

Sigh.....You don't have to think it's funny, but at least consider the possibility that it was simply written with humorous intent.
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:46 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Some people choose to carry a firearm openly. So, it's natural the kids in the family may have questions about it, since the media, various groups and some politicians are doing their damdest to stigmatize the practice.

You seem to be suggesting that questions about the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere one goes do not arise on their own. Personally I think it's pretty natural for a kid to wonder why mommy/daddy feels the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere they go.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:57 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Personally I think it's pretty natural for a kid to wonder why mommy/daddy feels the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere they go

Why does one carry a cell phone everywhere they go? Why does everyone carry some sort of wallet everywhere they go? How are those questions any different?

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:09 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
"There's Fluride in my Water!"

Never understood why people think it is a good idea. And I am not a conspiracy nut. I just think about what it actually is and does (hint: how much fluoride in water actually makes it onto your teeth, 1/10000th?)

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Some people choose to carry a firearm openly. So, it's natural the kids in the family may have questions about it, since the media, various groups and some politicians are doing their damdest to stigmatize the practice.

You seem to be suggesting that questions about the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere one goes do not arise on their own. Personally I think it's pretty natural for a kid to wonder why mommy/daddy feels the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere they go.

The funny thing is that for every one of my family that own and enjoy the right of gun ownership, they view a gun as a tool. It has a use. And yes, like with any tool sometimes you may use it for just fun purposes but most of the other times it is used for a specific purpose (the "most" is because they are cleaned and transported to/from, etc. at various times.). Hunting, riding on the range, and target practice tend to be the primary reasons why they carry their weapon.

I fully support responsible gun ownership and use, but unfortunately you have a bunch of morons who abuse our constitutionally enabled right and create issues for everyone else by not understanding what "responsible" means. And no I don't want to "take away" everyone's guns, but I sure as hell would like people to have to regularly demonstrate the ability to handle, manage, and use a gun. Trust me, no one in my family gets to use/have a gun as kids unless they can demonstrate that ability. Repeatedly! It is just common sense (which yes, I know is not that common anymore apparently).

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 23):
Why does one carry a cell phone everywhere they go? Why does everyone carry some sort of wallet everywhere they go? How are those questions any different?

Did you parents teach you about guns? If they did how did they do it? If they did I bet they taught you how and when and where to use it, and to be careful responsible and respectful of those around you.

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Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 23):
Why does one carry a cell phone everywhere they go? Why does everyone carry some sort of wallet everywhere they go? How are those questions any different?

One would think it's fairly likely when out and about one might want to receive a phone call or make a purchase, but one would think it's not likely one is going to be in a gun battle. If it was likely, I would imagine the kids would already be used to bullets flying and would not need a cartoon book to explain why mommy/daddy was carrying a weapon everywhere they go.
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:48 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 26):
One would think it's fairly likely when out and about one might want to receive a phone call or make a purchase, but one would think it's not likely one is going to be in a gun battle. If it was likely, I would imagine the kids would already be used to bullets flying and would not need a cartoon book to explain why mommy/daddy was carrying a weapon everywhere they go.

They are all tools, used by people on an everyday basis. So why is one evil, when the others aren't? Because the leftist agenda has made firearms public enemy number 1.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:49 pm

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
I found the following bit to be its own form of commentary

I checked the Feminism one out. I'm not sure if it is for real.

I'm really hoping it isn't a serious book...

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Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:50 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
I did not know that it was still considered a "lifestyle" by knowledgeable people (and I think you are fairly knowledgeable).

True, but the detractors did and still do consider it a lifestyle. And, I recall the 'outrage' and commentary about that book and other, similar books.

I'm just pointing it out.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 21):

Sigh.....You don't have to think it's funny, but at least consider the possibility that it was simply written with humorous intent.

The problem is that it feeds the stereotype and, it is race-baiting.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Personally I think it's pretty natural for a kid to wonder why mommy/daddy feels the need to carry a lethal weapon everywhere they go.

I agree. And, in a capitalist fashion, someone, the author and publisher, in this case, saw the need and set out to fill the need. No issue there.

Quoting d l x (Reply 6):
It's not baiting if it's true.

Numbers. Let's have them. How many people killed by police, every year? How many, broken down by race? I looked, couldn't really find anything on a reputable site. Maybe you're better at this Google thing than I am (that wouldn't be too hard). Please, don't throw out accusations without being able to back them up.

I heard some talking head on the radio say that last year about 400 folks died at the hands of the police. Can't find that number online though.
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:43 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 27):
They are all tools, used by people on an everyday basis. So why is one evil, when the others aren't?

Firearms aren't evil, they are just potentially dangerous, much more so than a cell phone or a wallet. Whilst some carrying firearms are trained and disciplined with respect to their use, others are not, and there's no way to tell who is and is not just by looking at them.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 18):
This IS my country, but it doesn't mean I'm ever going to give up on trying to improving it, even if it means looking outside of it for clues on how to do so.

Well said; an open mind is critical to growth and improvement.

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
A lot of the ones here:
http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/.../2012/12/firearm-OECD-UN-data3.jpg

I know the Post is a Socialist rag but I think the OECD is fairly agnostic is terms of political bent.

Ah! "Gun Related," a different statistic. Not like it makes the murders any more palatable, but a violent death is a violent death, and all accounted-for, the 95% figure does not endure scrutiny.

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
sigh,

While I support open carry, I don't support morons who open carry just to antagonize people to prove their point. Walking down the street carrying an AR-15 just because it's cool, then gets upset when someone calls the cops, and then the cops have the nerve to ask simple questions, like..."why are you carrying this rather large and intimidating firearm down the street for no apparent reason?" and/or "can I see your ID please?"

"Sigh," indeed. No greater supporter of the right to keep and bear than I, but what does someone believe they can accomplish (of any good) by prancing about, brandishing a rifle or shotgun in the Mini-Mart? Confounds my pitiful little mind.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:20 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
while those of us in the US exercise our rights to own and use firearms.

Those of us who are white, at least. Those of us that are black, not so much.

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
While I support open carry, I don't support morons who open carry just to antagonize people to prove their point.

  

This guy, folks, is doing it right.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 29):
Numbers. Let's have them.

Come on man, turn on your television. It's a huge current events topic. A black kid with a toy gun was gunned down for having said toy gun in a store where open carry is allowed by law. White guy goes through store with gun, he's just exercising his second amendment rights. Black guy goes through store with gun, he needs to be eradicated.
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
Because a vast confiscation, like what was done in Australia, will not work here.

It worked VERY well in Austrtala thanks...

Do you have evidence to suggest it hasn't ?
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:17 pm

And by the way Diamond, I am not attacking or meaning to "attack you" on this. I am just curious about this issue.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 33):

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
Because a vast confiscation, like what was done in Australia, will not work here.

It worked VERY well in Austrtala thanks...

Do you have evidence to suggest it hasn't ?

He is saying it would not work in the USA (as it is Constitutionally protected). I do not think he is disputing how well it worked in Australia.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 29):
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 21):

Sigh.....You don't have to think it's funny, but at least consider the possibility that it was simply written with humorous intent.

The problem is that it feeds the stereotype and, it is race-baiting.

Humor does that - pushes people's buttons. I mean, I guess we could make all humor totally PC, but isn't that exactly what we're trying to avoid? A nanny state where no one has to worry about being offended?
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:27 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 34):
He is saying it would not work in the USA (as it is Constitutionally protected). I do not think he is disputing how well it worked in Australia.

Exactly. I'm not going to argue on if it worked or not in AUS, because I don't agree with it. I'm saying it won't work here, as there are far too many people who would fight it. It literally would, in my opinion, be about the only thing to start another civil war here. And you know which side I'm on.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:03 am

Quoting Acheron (Reply 28):
Yeah, mom and dad, if – if – you dare to raise your boy as a classic boy in this castrated epoch, then you’ve got a task that’s more difficult than getting a drunk to hit the urinal at Chili’s.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:10 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 36):
And you know which side I'm on.

The not-America side?

I mean, if America enacted a Constitutional Amendment revoking your right to a gun, and you resisted, you do realize that would make you un-American, right?
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:37 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
Firearms aren't evil, they are just potentially dangerous, much more so than a cell phone or a wallet. Whilst some carrying firearms are trained and disciplined with respect to their use, others are not, and there's no way to tell who is and is not just by looking at them.

But, in my opinion, not nearly as potentially dangerous as a set of car keys. Same thing, you really can't tell how dangerous someone is with a car until you see them in action. Over 33,000 dead in car accidents last year, as I recall.

Quoting d l x (Reply 32):
Come on man, turn on your television.

So that i can watch the biased, agenda driven news media report on what they think is news? I see what's happening in Ferguson, but to indict all ~120,000 LEO's in the US and say they are gunning for blacks based on a couple of isolated incidents is ridiculous.

Did you hear about this one:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...8/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp

I wonder why the head race-baiter in charge , The Reverend Sharpton, isn't on his way up to Salt Lake City to protest. Is it because the victim (if he is a victim) was white? What about the race of the officer. In light of the fact that the article does not mention his race, I'm going to bet that the officer is not white.

Quoting d l x (Reply 32):
Black guy goes through store with gun, he needs to be eradicated.

You know, I only know one person that open-carries...he happens to be black. Near as I know, he hasn't been shot. He hasn't been harrassed by the police. He hasn't been bothered...except by me telling him he's a moron...but, that's just me.   

Quoting Revelation (Reply 37):
Just another capitalist dude producing a product the market needs. Or maybe it's a capitalist chick using a pen name?

Nothing wrong with that...to quote the great Bigweld: "See a need, fill a need."
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
I seem to recall a small up-roar about another 'lifestyle' book:

While I grant that the jury is somewhat still out on whether women "choose" their sexual orientation, it's pretty much a closed case that men do not.

The decision to open carry everywhere at all times is certainly a lifestyle choice. It is not inborn. It is a decision that is made. And I support the 2nd Amendment (surprise!). I don't see why it has to be advertised publicly and I don't see why anyone would want to risk the negative attention that this behavior draws. But it is a choice, most certainly. And one that carries consequences that I would not want to accept.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:11 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
Some people choose to carry a firearm openly. So, it's natural the kids in the family may have questions about it, since the media, various groups and some politicians are doing their damdest to stigmatize the practice.

They brought that on themselves by going around wearing rifles as if they were status symbols for no other reason than to bring attention to something that the vast majority of people already know. If you choose to make a public nuisance of yourself, expect people to stigmatize what you're doing.

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
While I support open carry, I don't support morons who open carry just to antagonize people to prove their point. Walking down the street carrying an AR-15 just because it's cool, then gets upset when someone calls the cops, and then the cops have the nerve to ask simple questions, like..."why are you carrying this rather large and intimidating firearm down the street for no apparent reason?" and/or "can I see your ID please?"

  

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:22 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 39):
So that i can watch the biased, agenda driven news media report on what they think is news?

That's really not a good excuse to not know what's going on in the world.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 39):
but to indict all ~120,000 LEO's in the US and say they are gunning for blacks based on a couple of isolated incidents is ridiculous.

Where did you come up with that? I never said that 120,000 LEOs should be on the hook. If you look back on this site, you'll actually see me supporting LEOs over the stupidity of some of our laws.

But look at it this way: if 1 in 100 cops treat me like I'm a chattel to be controlled, and not a human being, the odds are not good. It only takes 1 to end my life. So don't tell me it's no big deal that 99 of them would do the right thing, when the 1 that doesn't can literally end me.

Look, I've already experienced this treatment while planespotting. Two white guys and I attracted the attention of law enforcement. LEOs come by and give us the line. My two white friends mouth off about how what we are doing is perfectly legal (it is), while I stayed quiet. Yet, somehow, I'm still the one the cops want to bring downtown. You simply do not know what bias is until you've felt it from the authorities. You are absolutely helpless.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 39):
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...8/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp

Relevance? Methinks you are trying to set up the false equivalency.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 39):
In light of the fact that the article does not mention his race, I'm going to bet that the officer is not white.

In light of the fact that it occurred in Utah, I'm going to take you up on that bet.


And you still haven't addressed that a black kid was killed by cops for merely holding a toy gun, in an open carry state. THAT is what's relevant to this thread.
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:57 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
While I grant that the jury is somewhat still out on whether women "choose" their sexual orientation,

Hmm, you learn something new everyday. I wonder why that's the case?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
It is not inborn.

Would you say that a certain sense of self-reliance is, at some level, inborn? Is self-reliance taught or nurtured?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
I don't see why it has to be advertised publicly and I don't see why anyone would want to risk the negative attention that this behavior draws.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of open carry.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
But it is a choice, most certainly.

Yes, it is.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
And one that carries consequences that I would not want to accept.

But, it is one that I, and millions of others, freely accept.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
The decision to open carry everywhere at all times is certainly a lifestyle choice.

Yes, it is. When you carry, concealed, you are cognizant of your clothing choices, your posture, your actions.

Quoting Mir (Reply 41):
They brought that on themselves by going around wearing rifles as if they were status symbols for no other reason than to bring attention to something that the vast majority of people already know. If you choose to make a public nuisance of yourself, expect people to stigmatize what you're doing.

Horseshit. The stigmatization of gun ownership/gun carrying has been going on for decades. It's only now reaching a fevered pitch because more people own and carry than ever before.

Quoting d l x (Reply 42):
That's really not a good excuse to not know what's going on in the world.

I didn't say I didn't know what's going on, nor that I don't watch the news. But, I watch the news...all media really...with a gimlet eye. I know that they are advocating or pushing a particular agenda and I really get annoyed when they come to conclusions for me.

Quoting d l x (Reply 42):
Relevance? Methinks you are trying to set up the false equivalency.

How exactly? Unarmed person killed by police. Both Fergusun and this case appear very similar...except that the Fergusun kid alleged attacked the cop and the kid in SLC was trying to pull up his pants.

Quoting d l x (Reply 42):
In light of the fact that it occurred in Utah, I'm going to take you up on that bet.

It appears that you would lose that bet:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...hooting-on-body-camera.html?pg=all

The chief also addressed speculation about the ethnicity of the officer who shot Taylor, saying the officer is not white.

Quoting d l x (Reply 42):
THAT is what's relevant to this thread.

Actually, it's not relevant to this thread. This thread started out about an open carry kid's book and then, in part, spun off into a tangent about cops killing blacks.

Quoting d l x (Reply 42):
And you still haven't addressed that a black kid was killed by cops for merely holding a toy gun, in an open carry state. THAT is what's relevant to this thread.

Give me a citation so we can read the article...I don't recall it.


So, really, what's the beef with this book? What is the problem with trying to teach kids (and adults) techniques to deal with a touchy and controversial subject?
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:29 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 43):
Actually, it's not relevant to this thread. This thread started out about an open carry kid's book and then, in part, spun off into a tangent about cops killing blacks.

I think that's the source of confusion. I'm not talking about Ferguson.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 43):
Give me a citation so we can read the article...I don't recall it.

There are lots, but here's one.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/07/co...that-he-might-have-planned-to-buy/

He was killed for holding a BB gun that was on sale at the store he was shopping at.

IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE.
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:33 am

Quoting d l x (Reply 44):
He was killed for holding a BB gun that was on sale at the store he was shopping at.

He was killed for failing to comply with the officers' lawful orders. They, according to the article, were responding to a man with a gun who had pointed it at 2 children. Exactly how are they supposed to react?

But, this will be investigated and if it's found that the officers acted incorrectly, I fully expect that they will be charged. That's how the system is supposed to work.

Quoting d l x (Reply 44):
IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE.

So what? Open carry does not mean you get to wave a firearm around and point it at people. It does not mean you get to brandish it. It means you carry it. If it's a handgun, it is holstered. If it's a rifle it's slung or carried with the muzzle in a safe direction, usually down, and the trigger protected.
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
He was killed for failing to comply with the officers' lawful orders. They, according to the article, were responding to a man with a gun who had pointed it at 2 children. Exactly how are they supposed to react?

Exactly, but never let the facts get in the way of anything that can be used by the anti-gun agenda. Every WalMart I've ever been in has air rifles, but they are boxed. So, it seems like this guy took it upon himself to remove the merchandise from the box. Then proceeded to ignore the cops.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:07 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
He was killed for failing to comply with the officers' lawful orders.

The same article says that he was shot before he had the chance to comply with the order, which was to get down on the ground.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
So what? Open carry does not mean you get to wave a firearm around and point it at people.

There is no indication in the article that the cops observed anyone waving a firearm around and pointing it at people before they shot this man dead.
 
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:09 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
He was killed for failing to comply with the officers' lawful orders.
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 46):
Then proceeded to ignore the cops.

Actually the article does not say that. The article does not indicate at all if he heard or "failed to comply with" the police. It simply states:

Quote:
The 911 caller’s wife said that Crawford was on the phone and that he was messing with the gun. She said that after police ordered Crawford to put down the unidentified weapon, “I heard two shots after I saw him turn. He still had the weapon in his hand.”

However:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 45):
But, this will be investigated and if it's found that the officers acted incorrectly, I fully expect that they will be charged.

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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:39 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 27):
So why is one evil, when the others aren't?

Could be, and do let me know if your mental ability is being stretched beyond its limits here, that neither a cellphone nor a wallet was designed with the express purpose of killing something?
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RE: My Parents Open Carry

Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:34 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 27):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 26):
One would think it's fairly likely when out and about one might want to receive a phone call or make a purchase, but one would think it's not likely one is going to be in a gun battle. If it was likely, I would imagine the kids would already be used to bullets flying and would not need a cartoon book to explain why mommy/daddy was carrying a weapon everywhere they go.

They are all tools, used by people on an everyday basis. So why is one evil, when the others aren't? Because the leftist agenda has made firearms public enemy number 1.

What a load of rubbish, yes a wallet or a cellphone is used on a daily basis, and most people heading out will sue at least one of them before they return home, but a gun ? lets get into the real world, few people carrying a gun will have completed sufficient training, both initially and continually to be competent in its use, not just how to reliably look after and use the weapon, but to be able to accurately and consistently identify who is and isn't a threat.
Its not so long ago that here in the UK poorly trained Police officers could draw guns from the gun cupboard and head out on the streets in an emergency, now however its only fully trained permanent firearms officers that are ever allowed guns, they practice daily/weekly in order to try and reduce the number of times that an innocent person is shot, even then though we have the occasional mistake. I recall a news story about an armed incident outside the Empire State Building where the police managed to hit 9 innocent people in the crossfire, if thats the accuracy of trained officers what about civilian carriers ?

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