Sky News reporting that 10 people have been shot dead at the HQ of a French satirical magazine.
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More here from RTE :
At least ten people were killed in a shooting at the Paris offices of French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo.
The office was firebombed in the past after publishing cartoons in 2011 joking about Muslim leaders, French TV channel iTELE reported.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0107/670895-charlie-hebdo/
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Apparently one shouted "The prophet has been avenged", after the shooting. At least one policeman has been killed when a patrol stumbled across the perpetrators.
President Hollande is on his way to the scene.
Horrible start to the new year in Paris.
President Hollande is on his way to the scene.
Horrible start to the new year in Paris.
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At least 11 dead now
It appears to be a terrorist attack. They were armed with kalashnikov, shotgun, rocket launcher.
According to some witnesses, the two terrorists were screaming "allah akbar" !
http://www.linternaute.com/actualite...ebdo-le-journal-attaque-0115.shtml (french)
It appears to be a terrorist attack. They were armed with kalashnikov, shotgun, rocket launcher.
According to some witnesses, the two terrorists were screaming "allah akbar" !
http://www.linternaute.com/actualite...ebdo-le-journal-attaque-0115.shtml (french)
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Religion of peace blah blah, It isnt all of them blah blah... Few nutjobs blah blah. Seems to be happening on such a regular basis now all over the planet perpetrated by one group of folks. Time to wake up call a spade a spade and make a stand.
As long as there are apologists for these gutter dwelling fanatics this will be ongoing.
It is sad and tedious, Easily dealt with if the world wasn't so pc.
RIP folks.
As long as there are apologists for these gutter dwelling fanatics this will be ongoing.
It is sad and tedious, Easily dealt with if the world wasn't so pc.
RIP folks.
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So how would you deal with it.
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| Quoting bennett123 (Reply 4): So how would you deal with it. |
The way we dealt with the communist radicals and e.g. the IRA back in the 1970s-80s. Use the existing laws to the full limits. Lock anybody away who sprouts radical propaganda. If somebody uses violence crack down on them without inhibitions, if necessary kill them.
As our former minister of the interior, Otto Schily, SPD, has said, that anybody who endangers others cannot expect to have the police do their outmost to protect his life. The lives of e.g. hostages come first.
Meaning, you take hostages or kill people, tough sh*t if the police shoots you.
It is time that the likes of Pierre Vogel or other radical Islamist preachers and propagandists will be treated like the members of the IRA, RAF, Red Brigades, Action Directe or Nazi terror groups.
No tolerance to the intolerant!
Jan
Edit to add:
The Islamist leaders here remind me very much of the Neo-Nazi leaders: Being charismatic and ambiguous in their speeches, they can always say that they never incited violence and deem themselves to be virtually untouchable.
It was just some stupid followers who misinterpreted their speeches.
Neo-Nazi leaders did exactly the same in public, appearing to be squeaky clean. It was just some stupid skinheads
who misinterpreted their words when they attacked immigrants.
But it has proven that in private they endorsed such attacks and actually suggested them.
It will be much more difficult to prove the same with the Islamists, since they are a much closer knit group and getting police to infiltrate them is difficult (e.g. the infiltrators will have to be circumcised, which is rare among non-Muslim or Jewish German men).
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Stop the scare mongering this is just another isolated independent attack... well that is what the apologists will say!!
Just like Martin Place, Lee Rigby and all the others just an isolated incident... no it isn't and it is time the "religion of peace" cleaned out the pus of hatred festering under it's skin!
Now is the time for this hateful culture to join the 21st century or suffer the consequences....
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Just like Martin Place, Lee Rigby and all the others just an isolated incident... no it isn't and it is time the "religion of peace" cleaned out the pus of hatred festering under it's skin!
Now is the time for this hateful culture to join the 21st century or suffer the consequences....
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If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!....well that might have changed!!!
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Religion of peace my ass. Seriously. Muslims NEED TO TAKE A HUGE STAND against this and stop blindly supporting them. The amount of protests against the death of bin Laden?! That's one thing. The Saudi gvt in general? That's another.
Seriously. The middle east needs an enlightenment.
Religion in general. ugh.
We need a more humane way of dealing with this. I say snipers on roofs. Active threats = bullets to heads. Arming every day citizens.
If I was anywhere working in that office I'd have shot those bastards dead. and multiple times as to render their bodies unrecognizable.
Seriously. The middle east needs an enlightenment.
| Quoting giancavia (Reply 3): Religion of peace blah blah, It isnt all of them blah blah... Few nutjobs blah blah. Seems to be happening on such a regular basis now |
Religion in general. ugh.
| Quoting md11engineer (Reply 6): Lock anybody away who sprouts radical propaganda. If somebody uses violence crack down on them without inhibitions, if necessary kill them. |
We need a more humane way of dealing with this. I say snipers on roofs. Active threats = bullets to heads. Arming every day citizens.
If I was anywhere working in that office I'd have shot those bastards dead. and multiple times as to render their bodies unrecognizable.
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| Quoting bennett123 (Reply 4): So how would you deal with it. |
| Quoting planewasted (Reply 5): That is exactly what these terrorists wants. |
lol straight away 2 excuses to just sit still and let them keep doing this randomly on people going about their daily life.
Just off the bat without any effort or deep thought...
How about not tolerating the BS, how about actually deporting the ones not from our countries that are preaching hate hiding behind "human rights". How about not allowing ones fighting in terrorist organizations to return to the country. How about not cowering down to people living in the dark ages. Pandering to people who think a voice in the sky is controlling the planet is nothing more then advocating the destruction of the planet.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668
^^^^ That is vile and just fills me with rage. He just walks past the police officer laying o nthe ground injured and puts a bullet in his head. Sick, sick sick.
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| Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8): Muslims NEED TO TAKE A HUGE STAND against this and stop blindly supporting them. |
They do.. It just doesn´t get anywhere near that press coverage .... that would be good news after all.
| Quoting planewasted (Reply 5): That is exactly what these terrorists wants. |
yup. One more reason to stop calling them terrorists and start calling them what they are: Murderers, in no way different than any other violent criminals.
best regards
Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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| Quoting stealthz (Reply 7): Stop the scare mongering this is just another isolated independent attack.. |
Not isolated. Nothing is 'isolated' anymore. These radicals are influenced by multiple connected sources. This wasn't a lone wolf attack either. It's not isolated.
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| Quoting planewasted (Reply 5): |
No, they simply want to destroy resistance and turn us to bunch of sheep who are too afraid or brainwashed to criticize Islam. Then the final goal is islamization of Europe.
By pretending that there is no problem you apologists do just what ISIS wants.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
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| Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11): Not isolated. Nothing is 'isolated' anymore. These radicals are influenced by multiple connected sources. This wasn't a lone wolf attack either. It's not isolated. |
Look on the videos the media wont show at the moment. They are all geared up and properly trained. 1 shot execution of the police officer to the head as the gunman is walkin. This is bull**** and this has everything to do with RELIGION. NO, They are not just random violent criminals.
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| Quoting pvjin (Reply 12): By pretending that there is no problem you apologists do just what ISIS wants. |
Given that the "War on Terror" was the most expensive recruiting campaign probably ever conducted, we do know that the "Kill them all" approach dosn´t work. We do however know that back in those days terrorists where largely handled like the petty criminals that they are, they where under control pretty quickly. All w/o extralegal killings, torture, back sites and secret prisons.
War on Terror is nothing else then nation states applying the mindset of a terrorist to the problem. ISIS, as a de facto state is the first terrorist target worthy of the military attention they get.
In fact, getting nation states to treat their Muslim population differently from their others citizens, that is what ISIS wanst. It gets much easier to make people think in terms of "them" and "us" vs. the host nation, if the host nation does it in the first place.
best regards
Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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| Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11): This wasn't a lone wolf attack either. It's not isolated. |
That was my point... it is NOT isolated and time all the bleating Imams and whimpering Mufti made it clear this is not acceptable... await the "appropriate response"
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!....well that might have changed!!!
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Just seen the video of the police officer being executed !!!! I am more than shocked, there is no words !
We must do something against those radicals. I agree with PHX787, this not isolated !!!!
We must do something against those radicals. I agree with PHX787, this not isolated !!!!
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 14): Given that the "War on Terror" was the most expensive recruiting campaign probably ever conducted, we do know that the "Kill them all" approach dosn´t work. We do however know that back in those days terrorists where largely handled like the petty criminals that they are, they where under control pretty quickly. All w/o extralegal killings, torture, back sites and secret prisons. War on Terror is nothing else then nation states applying the mindset of a terrorist to the problem. ISIS, as a de facto state is the first terrorist target worthy of the military attention they get. In fact, getting nation states to treat their Muslim population differently from their others citizens, that is what ISIS wanst. It gets much easier to make people think in terms of "them" and "us" vs. the host nation, if the host nation does it in the first place. best regards Thomas |
These guys are not petty criminals and you have no idea what you are blabbering about. They execute an officer with 1 shot from an automatic weapon while running. They are fully trained with a good level of skill.
Of course it was the "war on terror that creates these people" and not the fact these folks are brainwashed from a young age deludedly taking orders from a voice in the sky. I get sick of these stupid excuses people make. It is always the USA or Israel's fault that people are brainwashed by religion isnt it? Get a reality check.
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Shocking news, difficult to work right now.
I'm a fan of cartoonists Cabu and Charb and just read they might be dead.
France does deport and/or imprison people on those charges very regularly (and gets called out as not respecting freedom of speech as a result). France also does send troops to fight extremists abroad.
I'm a fan of cartoonists Cabu and Charb and just read they might be dead.
| Quoting giancavia (Reply 9): How about not tolerating the BS, how about actually deporting the ones not from our countries that are preaching hate hiding behind "human rights". How about not allowing ones fighting in terrorist organizations to return to the country. |
France does deport and/or imprison people on those charges very regularly (and gets called out as not respecting freedom of speech as a result). France also does send troops to fight extremists abroad.
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| Quoting stealthz (Reply 15): all the bleating Imams and whimpering Mufti made it |
Oddly enough, in the Martin Place incident it emerged that "the bleating imams" had already voiced their concerns to the Australian Federal Police. They had already warned that the man was not a trained preacher and was espousing dangerous ideas that could pose a threat to the peace and security of Australians. The security agencies decided that he wasn't. Why, I don't know but it appears that they were mistaken.
Rather than espousing hatred to Muslims in general, perhaps it is time that we actually start listening to their concerns. When evidence emerges that people are dangerous and a threat to public safety the law should act. Regardless of whether the perpetrators of such violent deeds seek to justify their deeds in the name of religion, they are criminal acts that deserve to be dealt with as firmly as the law allows .
Crawl, walk, fly into the future
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| Quoting Aesma (Reply 18): France does deport and/or imprison people on those charges very regularly (and gets called out as not respecting freedom of speech as a result). |
I accept your point, I was speaking in general terms off of the top of my head. Many countries think they can rehabilitate these scum bags that have returned from Syria and reintroduce them into society for example. We know that isis kills any members that try to leave the organization. So how can these people just easily get back to our countries? We shouldnt be sending them to rehab.. we should be rejecting them at the border or locking them away forever. In 5 years when more and more of these guys start randomly attacking us all. Saying I told you so will never have been so mind numbingly sad and stupid all in one.
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Time to dust off the guillotine?
It is always darkest before the sun comes up.
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| Quoting giancavia (Reply 17): They are fully trained with a good level of skill. |
"successful" criminals have that in common. Nothing special about that. Murder is murder, no matter how cold blooded and skillful it has been done. And plenty of people on a shooting sprees elsewhere have been described as coldblooded, goal oriented and skillful. Despite lack of religious background. Is there some huge organization behind them, organizing training, too?
best regards
Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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lol you continue to live in la la land, You are precisely part of the problem. How embarrassing.
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| Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 22): We're trying to stamp out medieval ideas, not bring them back in. |
But the guillotine is a product of a more enlightened society. It was designed at a time when the catchphrase was, "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité,"
Oddly enough I saw the words enscribed above the gates of the Maison d'arrêt de la Santé. Perhaps our assassins could spend some time there to reflect on the meaning of those words.
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 23): "successful" criminals have that in common. Nothing special about that. Murder is murder, no matter how cold blooded and skillful it has been done. And plenty of people on a shooting sprees elsewhere have been described as coldblooded, goal oriented and skillful. Despite lack of religious background. Is there some huge organization behind them, organizing training, too? |
You fail to recognize that these attacks are politically motivated by Islamic ideology and it is happening in a lot places.
All fanatism is bad, and unfortunately there's a lot of islamic fanatics, and the world today shows it.
Islamic ideology is one of the biggest problems faced by the free world today.
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| Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 22): |
Then we should get rid of all abrahamic religions rather than protecting their dangerous ideas.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr
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| Quoting giancavia (Reply 24): lol you continue to live in la la land, You are precisely part of the problem. |
I´d much rather die in my sleep then to start to think like a terrorist (kill them, ends justify the means, the whole terrorist mindset). You want to live in a terrorists proof country, well, good luck with that, people much more ruthless then you or Donalds Rumsfeld have tried that. Not even Nazi Germany was "terrorism" free, that should tell you how well your ideas will work.
best regards
Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 23): "successful" criminals have that in common. Nothing special about that. Murder is murder, no matter how cold blooded and skillful it has been done. And plenty of people on a shooting sprees elsewhere have been described as coldblooded, goal oriented and skillful. Despite lack of religious background. Is there some huge organization behind them, organizing training, too? |
Are you serious ????
Have you turn on your TV ? Watched the news lately ?!!!
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| Quoting foxxray (Reply 2): It appears to be a terrorist attack. |
Nah, I am sure someone will come up with a way to classify this as "workplace violence" or some-such. Some people above seem to already be trying.
Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
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| Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 26): You fail to recognize that these attacks are politically motivated by Islamic ideology and it is happening in a lot places. |
That is correct, i deny most so called terrorist the justification of having a political target at all. Including this time, as far as we can guess the reason behind those murders, someone was "just" getting even for an perceived insult.
And sorry, but restoring the honor of your imaginary friend ain´t a political statement.
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Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 32): That is correct, i deny most so called terrorist the justification of having a political target at all. Including this time, as far as we can guess the reason behind those murders, someone was "just" getting even for an perceived insult. And sorry, but restoring the honor of your imaginary friend ain´t a political statement. |
Well, since Islam is an ideology as well as a religion, I can only see this as yet another attempt by islamic fanatics to enforce thier political views on our free societies by the means of terrorism. It's the same that ISIL is doing, and al-Queda before them.
So this is not isolated, is not simple criminals committing crimes for personal simple gains.
This is a yet another example of the clash between the free world and a violent 7th century ideology.
It will unfortunately go on for a long to time, but I think it's important we recognize it for what it is.
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| Quoting Alfons (Reply 31): True. Because they were the terror themselves. |
well, obviously they neither did see it that way, nor are their definitions of terrorism or crime in any way compatible with ours today, but that doesn´t change that they couldn´t put an end to what they called terrorism despite not having much in the way of inhibitions.
| Quoting foxxray (Reply 29): Have you turn on your TV ? Watched the news lately ?!!! |
Yeah. Even very international ones since my significant other doesn´t have the language skills to follow German news. So, whats your point, that there currently is a new murder bunch out that formed some sort of state? The only newsworthy part about that is that "the west" does actually seem to care a little bit this time... it may come as a shock to you, but that genocide level murder bunches roaming this planet didn´t get the same airtime ISIS gets today, doesn´t make them less real.
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Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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Of course, just like IS, Al Quada, Boko Haram, 9/11, Madrid 2004, London 2005, beheadings, stoning, slavery, this has nothing to do with Islam......
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| Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 34): Well, since Islam is an ideology as well as a religion, I can only see this as yet another attempt by islamic fanatics to enforce thier political views on our free societies by the means of terrorism. |
I am pretty sure that i can only marry one woman around here has something to do with living in a Christian country with Christian cultural roots. Damn!
I couldn´t think of a religion that doesn´t qualify as an ideology. When the IRA was still real and big, somehow i didn´t see much in the way of anti-catholic demonstrations in the streets, nor catholic teachers being forbidden of wearing a cross at work though....
Could it have something to do with todays murder bunches just happening to claim fighting for a religion that is foreign to most people living in those countries waging the war on terror and therefore take Islam = Terroristbreader as gospel? After all, in Europe we all worked with, lived next door to or actually where catholics ourselves and therefore new pretty well that religion didn´t have much to do with blowing up pups in Birmingham....
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 37): After all, in Europe we all worked with, lived next door to or actually where catholics ourselves and therefore new pretty well that religion didn´t have much to do with blowing up pups in Birmingham.... |
Late last year a poll was held in the big cities of the Netherlands. 80% of the Islamic youth did not disapprove the methods of IS.
This problem is more widespread than you seem to be (willing to) believe.
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I think that the current crop of Islamists have learned from the Communist terrorists of the 1970s.
Back then the likes of the German Red Army Faction, Brigadi Rossi etc. saw themselves as a revolutionary avantgarde, who had to wake up the sleeping masses.
As such they deliberately attacked government representants, judges, prosecutors and wealthy business people to provoke the government to carry out a disproportionate reaction, which would unmask them as fascists. The inconvnience and intrusion of the government then into the personal lives of the ordinary population should then stirr up this population to a revolution, in which the terrorists would become the leaders.
I think the current crop of Islamists operates in exactly the same mindset: Attack the state, wait for the wooden mallet response by the government against ALL Muslims and then stirr up the now upset Muslims by offering them that the radicals are the only solution.
At the same time they copied from the Neo-Nazi book that the leaders have to stay squeaky clean and not get involved in any dirty business themselves. Let the stupid and expendable idiots do the killing.
Jan
Back then the likes of the German Red Army Faction, Brigadi Rossi etc. saw themselves as a revolutionary avantgarde, who had to wake up the sleeping masses.
As such they deliberately attacked government representants, judges, prosecutors and wealthy business people to provoke the government to carry out a disproportionate reaction, which would unmask them as fascists. The inconvnience and intrusion of the government then into the personal lives of the ordinary population should then stirr up this population to a revolution, in which the terrorists would become the leaders.
I think the current crop of Islamists operates in exactly the same mindset: Attack the state, wait for the wooden mallet response by the government against ALL Muslims and then stirr up the now upset Muslims by offering them that the radicals are the only solution.
At the same time they copied from the Neo-Nazi book that the leaders have to stay squeaky clean and not get involved in any dirty business themselves. Let the stupid and expendable idiots do the killing.
Jan
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| Quoting travelavnut (Reply 36): Of course, just like IS, Al Quada, Boko Haram, 9/11, Madrid 2004, London 2005, beheadings, stoning, slavery, this has nothing to do with Islam...... |
See, you do get it.
Or a more classical replay: So, you are saying that Aryan Nations, God’s Army, Holy Spirit Movement and all those others do what they do out of being deeply Christian and living the bible in their every day life? You´d probably really like the Lord’s Resistance Army of Uganda, trying to establish a Christian Version of a sharia state? Oh, most likely with financing from Sudan, a muslim state. So much for terrorism being motivated by religion.
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Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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| Quoting Pyrex (Reply 30): Nah, I am sure someone will come up with a way to classify this as "workplace violence" or some-such. Some people above seem to already be trying. |
President Hollande was on the premises merely an hour after the fact (Paris is a small city) and called it terrorism.
Besides, we do have laws (including some voted on in the last few months) made to deal specifically with terrorism and people associated with such acts, people coming back from jihad, etc. There is no doubt that these specific laws apply here.
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| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 35): well, obviously they neither did see it that way |
Wow !!!! Is it the best argument you have found ? Seriously ?
If ISIS says that they want to make this world a paradise, will you beleive them ?
With your point of view, i'm pretty sure you will, especially if they told you that they are very friendly with everybody on earth !
| Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 35): So, whats your point, that there currently is a new murder bunch out that formed some sort of state? The only newsworthy part about that is that "the west" does actually seem to care a little bit this time... it may come as a shock to you, but that genocide level murder bunches roaming this planet didn´t get the same airtime ISIS gets today, doesn´t make them less real. |
My point is that it's not only a "new murder bunch" as you said ! Neither it is isolated as you said too !
It is terrorism, large scale terrorism, if nothing is done, it will expand more and more and more.
These fanatics were very clear about their intentions and they justify their violence in the name of religion.
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| Quoting md11engineer (Reply 39): I think the current crop of Islamists operates in exactly the same mindset: Attack the state, wait for the wooden mallet response by the government against ALL Muslims and then stirr up the now upset Muslims by offering them that the radicals are the only solution. |
Not to forget, as long the Red Army Fraktion stuck to making their actions very political (like setting a department store on fire to protest napalm bombing in Vietnam) they enjoyed a vast support network among pretty normal German citizens. But once they changed to pretty undirected violence, murder and are mostly known for their robberies to support themselves, the support went away very quick.
| Quoting travelavnut (Reply 38): Late last year a poll was held in the big cities of the Netherlands. 80% of the Islamic youth did not disapprove the methods of IS. |
Got a link to the poll? I can read Dutch quite ok ...
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Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
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RIP to the Victims.
It was bound to happen, eventually, when you stir crap in the middle east and then let your local nutjobs go to and from such places at leisure...
It was bound to happen, eventually, when you stir crap in the middle east and then let your local nutjobs go to and from such places at leisure...
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Back during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s there existed a paramilitary organisation made up of WW1 vets, who were fed up with the attempts to destroy the Republic by the Nazis, Communists and Monarchists.
This organisation was made up from followers of parties of the polical centre, ranging from the moderate left Social Democrats through the Liberals to the moderate conservative Zentrumspartei.
They fought both the Communist Red Front militias and the Nazi Stormtroopers.
Maybe we'll need something like this again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
Our system is built on tolerance and freedom of speech, but there can't be any tolerance towards those who want to abolish this system, for which a lot of blood had been spilled over centuries to get it.
Jan
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This organisation was made up from followers of parties of the polical centre, ranging from the moderate left Social Democrats through the Liberals to the moderate conservative Zentrumspartei.
They fought both the Communist Red Front militias and the Nazi Stormtroopers.
Maybe we'll need something like this again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
Our system is built on tolerance and freedom of speech, but there can't be any tolerance towards those who want to abolish this system, for which a lot of blood had been spilled over centuries to get it.
Jan
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Is it just me or is France is getting "way too liberal" in how it treats other religions, specifically Islam?
"What good are wings without the courage to fly?" - Atticus
12 Shot Dead In Paris Terrorist Attack - Part 1
| Quoting foxxray (Reply 42): Wow !!!! Is it the best argument you have found ? Seriously ? |
so, you are saying that you can think completely outside of the culture, ideology and conventions you grew up in? And in case you did miss that, i was talking about what the Nazis defined as terrorists. ... and i am sorry to burst your bubble, but someone thinking terrorist acts can somehow be justified by a just goal are making the same mistake, and think exactly the same way, as those in the West that all of a sudden figured torture is acceptable...
| Quoting foxxray (Reply 42): If ISIS says that they want to make this world a paradise, will you beleive them ? |
Nope, but i am sure lots of them will think it is true. Just like many in the West where thinking armed troops, secret prisons and drone strikes would somehow help to spread democracy.
| Quoting foxxray (Reply 42): It is terrorism, large scale terrorism, if nothing is done, it will expand more and more and more. |
There is plenty of indications that the ISIS state has plenty of internal trouble and is not even close to forming an area with a homogenous "lets go and kill unbelievers" crowd. They do however have an excellent benefit package for those who join up "Join or get killed right here". And with the amount of money that have access to, i don´t even want to know how many people are just in for the money. That most likely includes people in the west.
| Quote: These fanatics were very clear about their intentions |
and they speak for everyone in the lands they roam because they´ve held a proper election?
best regards
Thomas
[Edited 2015-01-07 06:40:07]
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6
12 Shot Dead In Paris Terrorist Attack - Part 1
| Quoting bmacleod (Reply 47): Is it just me or is France is getting "way too liberal" in how it treats other religions, specifically Islam? |
How can you get too liberal with a religion in a state with guaranteed freedom of religion?
best regards
Thomas
Well, there is prophecy in the bible after all: 2 Timothy 3:1-6