King Abdullah Of Saudi Arabia Dies Aged 90

OA260 · Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:41 pm

Sky News reporting the death of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia aged 90.

Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has died and his brother Salman has become the kingdom's new ruler.

http://news.sky.com/story/1413245/sa...rabias-king-abdullah-dies-state-tv

I wonder what impact if any will this have on the future direction of the KSA.

[Edited 2015-01-22 15:43:36]

fxramper · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:03 am

His brother is almost 80 and not in great health. Maybe he will show good faith to all and let the blogger receiving 1000 lashes be released.

einsteinboricua · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:32 am

Salman is reported to be on the liberal side of things (which is good because the previous heir, Nayef, wasn't). Hopefully, in the short years ahead he'll open up the kingdom a bit more.

That being said, the Al Saud clan has a real problem: so far all of the kings have been sons of Abdulaziz and they're not exactly the young men they were back then. Who will be the first monarch to appoint a grandson of Adbulaziz as Crown Prince? And how to decide among the hundreds of possible grandsons?

Tugger · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:38 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2):
That being said, the Al Saud clan has a real problem: so far all of the kings have been sons of Abdulaziz and they're not exactly the young men they were back then. Who will be the first monarch to appoint a grandson of Adbulaziz as Crown Prince? And how to decide among the hundreds of possible grandsons?

SOBHI51 will be the best to comment to comment on this but Salman named his brother Muqrin bin Abdulaziz crown prince and next in line to the throne.

Tugg

Airstud · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:42 am

Mmmmmm, salmon...

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Chaostheory · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:45 am

و كل نفس ذائقة الموت

A good man and a good King.

I had the honour of crewing one of his VIP flights.

11Bravo · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:05 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 5):
A good man and a good King.

I don't see how that could possibly be true. Saudi Arabia is medieval and repressive in the extreme. The Saudi's are the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted. It is an evil government and it's leaders are horrible human beings. Good riddance.

Chaostheory · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 6):
I don't see how that could possibly be true. Saudi Arabia is medieval and repressive in the extreme. The Saudi's are the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted. It is an evil government and it's leaders are horrible human beings. Good riddance.

Saudis and many muslims think different.

You could just as easily replace Saudi with the US in your post (barring the medieval bit).

HALFA · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 7):
You could just as easily replace Saudi with the US in your post (barring the medieval bit).

While I don't entirely agree with 11Bravo's comments about the KSA, your comment is absurd. The US is not the cause of the radicalization of Islam, and Barack Obama is not a horrible human being.

Pyrex · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:35 am

One less dictator in the world. Good riddance,

Chaostheory · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 8):
The US is not the cause of the radicalization of Islam, and Barack Obama is not a horrible human being.

I refer you to comments that have been made by the likes of Ron Paul and intelligence staff such as Michael Scheuer.

[Edited 2015-01-22 17:39:17]

Acheron · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 10):
I refer you to comments that have been made by the likes of Ron Paul and intelligence staff such as Michael Scheuer.

The need of KSA to fund wahabist crazies around the world doesn't have much to do with US foreign policy, regardless of how miopic and stupid it might be.

WarRI1 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:13 am

Like a wave washing a grain of beach sand away. He will soon be a footnote in history. Let us hope for better for his people.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 4):
Mmmmmm, salmon...

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 9):
One less dictator in the world. Good riddance,

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 6):
I don't see how that could possibly be true. Saudi Arabia is medieval and repressive in the extreme.

We Muslims and Arabs we do not express joy when a an enemy dies specially a person like the president or a king we always say he is now between God's hand and he only knows if that person is good or bad.
If that person is a Muslim we say may God forgive him.
But it seems some people who thinks they are civilized don't know the meaning of the world.

May Kink Abdallah Bin Abdulaziz rest in peace, he WAS a great king.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2):

True Prince Salman is not young, but the crown prince is in his mid 60's, i think that the next in line will be on of the grandsons.

Pyrex · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:29 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):
We Muslims and Arabs we do not express joy when a an enemy dies

http://www.inquisitr.com/1772276/800...support-of-charlie-hebdo-massacre/

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:33 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):

So, this is a different situation completely.
There was no demonstration of joy in the Islamic world when Sharron died, maybe in the Palestinian side but not the rest.

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 6):
The Saudi's are the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted.

Wrong. Islam is the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 9):
One less dictator in the world. Good riddance,

Only to be replaced by another one.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2):
Hopefully, in the short years ahead he'll open up the kingdom a bit more.

Open up to what? They may be better off the way it is currently - in the stone ages just as long as it stays there an doesn't get out.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):
http://www.inquisitr.com/1772276/800...support-of-charlie-hebdo-massacre/

Holy $--t!
800,000 Muslims marched in support of the Paris terrorist attack in Chechnya?!?!?!?!
Surprised this didn't get that much media attention in the West. Then again, I'm not too surprised.
Kudos to Putin for keeping his boot on their necks.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:25 am

The leader of each country has a duty to his citizens first.
Some of King Abdallah achievement in 9 years while ruling the Kingdom

28 new universities
200,000 Saudi students on full scholarship to study abroad.
6 medical cities
11 specialized hospitals
22 public hospitals where people get free medical care.
Women will elect and can be also be elected
Women are members of the Shourah, similar to the congress.
Thousands of miles of new roads.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:30 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Wrong. Islam is the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted.

As if Islam was the only religion which have a history of death and destructions, suggest you read some history books.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Only to be replaced by another one.

a leader loved by his citizens not fear him is not a dictator.

[Edited 2015-01-22 19:43:15]

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:40 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 18):
As if Islam was the only religion which have a history of death and destructions, suggest you read some history books.

Well aware of the death an destruction caused by religions an governments. Just had to correct 11Bravo's incorrect statement.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 18):
a leader loved by his citizens not fear him is not a dictator.

That's fine. He's not the worst leader...

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 18):
Never talk of a place you never visited, i visited Thailand, and Saudi is ten times more advanced, minus the fat whores.

LOL!

Touchy.

I guess I need to see visit a place to have a full understanding as to why they have public executions and chopping off of body parts. I guess I'm just ignorant for not understanding this.

That said, I'm not going to dance on the grave of King Abdullah unlike some posters above.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:51 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I guess I'm just ignorant for not understanding this.

Never called you that, but it's better to judge a country without a visit first.
As for public executions and and the chopping of the hands well KSA have strict laws for murderer, children rapists and terrorists, as for robbers they will only get there left hand chopped after being convicted a third time.
KSA is the only country where a murderer can be pardoned if the family of the victim accept to pardon.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
LOL!
Touchy.

Thought i add some humor.

i know it will hit a soft spot.

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:55 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20):
it's better to judge a country without a visit first.

Usually that is the case but there are a few exceptions. The human rights violations is hard for most people to wrap their heads around.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20):
Thought i add some humor. i know it will hit a soft spot.

or a hard spot.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
or a hard spot.

Behave or we will be suspended

TheCommodore · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:00 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
Like a wave washing a grain of beach sand away

How poetic WarRl1.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 17):
Some of King Abdallah achievement in 9 years while ruling the Kingdom

He also hosted many of the world leaders, on a regular basis, including many American Presidents

So whether you believe the King and KSA are so terrible, the worlds leaders aren't shy in having there pictures taken with then either

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-Clinton-foreign-dignitaries.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...-abdullah-saudi-arabia-114522.html

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I guess I need to see visit a place to have a full understanding as to why they have public executions and chopping off of body parts. I guess I'm just ignorant for not understanding this.

Aren't you originally from the US, where the execute people on a daily basis ?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20):
as for robbers they will only get there left hand chopped after being convicted a third time.

We should bring that law in here. Thrives get a slap on the hand and not much more.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
The human rights violations is hard for most people to wrap their heads around.

Many would say executing a person is also a violation of human rights, in the countries where they do such things, happens day after day.

11Bravo · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Wrong. Islam is the root cause of the radicalization of Islam and all the death and destruction that has resulted.

Due respect, there is an enormous body of evidence that directly connects the KSA and it's Wahhabi religious leaders with radicalization of Muslims in a whole host of different countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan. Iraq, Egypt, Malaysia, Philippines, Bosnia, and Chechnya. If you want to pretend this isn't so, be my guest, but the evidence is overwhelming.

notaxonrotax · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:10 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20):
Never called you that, but it's better to judge a country without a visit first.

Hi SOBHI51,

I have been to the Kingdom twice, on oil-related business trips only; mind you.
The town: Al Khobar.

A few observations:

-The reception at the airport was simply rude towards foreigners. Myself included.
-I found the religious police checkpoints intimidating. (Would I be allowed to keep my Christian cross I wondered?).
-I have chatted and discussed islam and the local culture with some friendly locals. It seems like a different world!
(1 example: the man can only see their wife to be for a few minutes before she covers up again. Then the man must decide yay or nay! Amazing!)
-Life seems so boring in town. I saw men chatting in tea houses, no women to look at; no (apparent) laughter, no joy.
-In the desert I saw guys sitting around camp fires, 8 cars parked along the side of the road. What is that all about?
-I heard a lot of Saudis go party in Dubai....gambling, women, booze. I would like your view on that, is this true?

This is no attack, but genuine observations!!

Cheers,

No Tax On Rotax

29erUSA187 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:12 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 10):
Ron Paul and intelligence staff such as Michael Scheuer.

They're not in charge are they?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 20):
as for robbers they will only get there left hand chopped after being convicted a third time.

"Only"

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
the KSA and it's Wahhabi religious leaders with radicalization of Muslims

For your information, the only country in the gulf with Wahhabi sect of Islam as an official religion is Qatar, KSA is Sunni, having said that
Wahhabiism is not as radical as you think, it is strict, but nothing in comparison of what AlQaeda or Isis are spreading.

Pyrex · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Only to be replaced by another one.

What did you expect, democracy in a muslim country?

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
there is an enormous body of evidence that directly connects the KSA and it's Wahhabi religious leaders with radicalization of Muslims in a whole host of different countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan. Iraq, Egypt, Malaysia, Philippines, Bosnia, and Chechnya.

Islamic terrorism centuries before King Abdullah was born. There is an enormous body of evidence that proves this. If you want to pretend this isn't so, be my guest.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 23):
Aren't you originally from the US, where the execute people on a daily basis ?

Not sure what country that is. Executions are not carried out on a daily basis in the US an it is not done in public for entertainment.

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 25):
-The reception at the airport was simply rude towards foreigners. Myself included.
-I found the religious police checkpoints intimidating. (Would I be allowed to keep my Christian cross I wondered?).
-I have chatted and discussed islam and the local culture with some friendly locals. It seems like a different world!
(1 example: the man can only see their wife to be for a few minutes before she covers up again. Then the man must decide yay or nay! Amazing!)
-Life seems so boring in town. I saw men chatting in tea houses, no women to look at; no (apparent) laughter, no joy.
-In the desert I saw guys sitting around camp fires, 8 cars parked along the side of the road. What is that all about?

Such a lovely place. . .

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 22):
Behave or we will be suspended

Point taken.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:28 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 26):
"Only"

Yes only, that's why we have low crime rates. Can you say the same?

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 25):

Airports are a problem for everybody, but it is getting better now that they are not allowed to wear a uniform.
I have been in Riyadh for the last seven years a much more conservative city than AlKhobar, never saw a religious police checkpoints, however after few incidents where some member of the religious police went overboard they have no more limited powers.
For men seeing women before marriage it is more of a Bedouin habit.
I think men here are full of fun, you should see them playing cards.
They go back to there Bedouin roots and have a camping trip, mind you some of them go hundred of miles inside the desert, others play it safe and camp by the road, usually the one leading to an Airport

Dubai is the preferred play town, but i know there is no gambling there.

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 25):
This is no attack, but genuine observations!!

Have no problem with that, i only wish some others are as nice.

Cheers.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:31 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 28):
What did you expect, democracy in a muslim country?

As if democracy exists everywhere, but not in Islamic countries.
But coming from you, why i am not surprised.

zrs70 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:36 am

Always emotional when a country's leader dies. The hope, of course, is that the next leader has the strength and integrity to move the country forward.

Many of the Middle Eastern countries have gone through ledaership transitions in the past 10 years. Some dictators have given way to elected leaders - not always with success.

There's a blessing in our prayer-book (Jewish) that simply asks that our leaders govern with goodness.

TheCommodore · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
Executions are not carried out on a daily basis in the US an it is not done in public for entertainment.

Well, almost. In 2000 the US executed 98 in that year, that makes it almost 1 every 4 or so day.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 32):
There's a blessing in our prayer-book (Jewish) that simply asks that our leaders govern with goodness.

That's great. I only wish some other leaders within the Middle East would do that.

[Edited 2015-01-22 21:22:50]

[Edited 2015-01-22 21:23:43]

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:47 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 33):
Well, almost. In 2000 the US executed 98 in that year, that makes it almost 1 every 4 or so day.

None of which was done in public.

Mortyman · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:49 am

Oil price is going up ...

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 35):

Oil price is going up

Not for long, markets react to the unknown, but Saudi is stable, and the handover will be smooth.

zkojq · Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:02 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2):
Salman is reported to be on the liberal side of things (which is good because the previous heir, Nayef, wasn't).

Yeah, I'm glad that Nayef kicked the bucket before Abdullah did. My reading on the KSA suggests that the KSA would be even more backwards than it is now if Nayef were to become in charge (hard to imagine, I know).

http://www.bookdepository.com/House-...use-Saud-Craig-Unger/9780743253390

(its a very good read)

Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):
Maybe he will show good faith to all and let the blogger receiving 1000 lashes be released.

Hope so, but won't hold my breath waiting.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
there is an enormous body of evidence that directly connects the KSA and it's Wahhabi religious leaders with radicalization of Muslims in a whole host of different countries

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):
http://www.inquisitr.com/1772276/800...support-of-charlie-hebdo-massacre/

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
800,000 Muslims marched in support of the Paris terrorist attack in Chechnya?!?!?!?!
Surprised this didn't get that much media attention in the West. Then again, I'm not too surprised.
Kudos to Putin for keeping his boot on their necks.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS. The population of Chechnya is ~1.2 million and the population of Grozny is ~270,000. If your statistic is true then nearly three times the population of Grozny turned up, equivalent to 2/3rds of all Chechens.

[Edited 2015-01-22 22:08:13]

TheCommodore · Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:47 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
None of which was done in public.

So...... out of sight, is out of mind......is that what your saying ?

Do you really think people are that naive as to the big picture.

And BTW, as far as I understand, they don't do it for "entertainment", they do it as a example. There is a difference and an obvious one.

I did a little search on the net. and I found this. If its to be believed, the KSA execute near 2 people per week. Sop that puts them on a par with the US.......

Who would have thought that....?

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/saudi...ly-two-people-week-year-2013-02-08

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 35):
Oil price is going up ...

opethfan · Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:17 am

Judgement of this man will now be handled by his maker, and the history books. From my knowledge of his actions, the holy books, and human progression, I hope both judgments are poor ones. May we all move forward to a more just, transparent, caring, and liberal future. Especially where it is needed most.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:41 am

CNN coverage of the passing away of King Abdallah
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/23/middle...bia-king-abdullah-death/index.html

B777LRF · Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:47 am

There will be no 'judgement'; he's slowly rotting away in a hole in the ground and that's the end of it.

tommy1808 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
That's fine. He's not the worst leader...

considering where Saudi was just 80 years ago, the improvements are impressive. Not nearly far enough, but it's not like the west discovered civilisation and abandoned slavery, capital punishment, torture and such and had equal rights for women, LGBT and so on first thing the next morning. Oh, wait, many oh so advanced western countries are still not quite there, despite being hundreds of years old.
Let's just hope the new king will go forward.

Best regards
Thomas

Superfly · Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:19 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 38):
Do you really think people are that naive as to the big picture.

Apparently you are.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 38):
as far as I understand, they don't do it for "entertainment",

I did a little search on the net. and I found this.

This is why you need to talk to people that's lived an worked there an stop relying on biased websites. On paper it is meant to be a deterrent but in reality, the locals do enjoy watching.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 23):
as for robbers they will only get there left hand chopped after being convicted a third time.

We should bring that law in here.

Mr. Commodore; you DO realize you sound more extreme than a Tea Party member in the US. I'll remind you of your statement in the next anti-US thread.

Quoting Opethfan (Reply 39):
Judgement of this man will now be handled by his maker,

We can at least agree on that.

Quoting Opethfan (Reply 39):
May we all move forward to a more just, transparent, caring

They're going to move forward with his younger brother.

Quoting Opethfan (Reply 39):
and liberal future.

Can you please give examples of a Middle-East, Islamic nation that is liberal an more advance than any Western nation?

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 42):
Oh, wait, many oh so advanced western countries are still not quite there, despite being hundreds of years old.

Please spare us the melodramatic dramatic hyperbole.

tommy1808 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 43):
Can you please give examples of a Middle-East, Islamic nation that is liberal an more advance than any Western nation?

since you limit the task to a small region of the world you are obviously aware that your argument won't hold up if you just asked about predominantly islam countries.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 43):
Please spare us the melodramatic dramatic hyperbole.

sucks to sit in a glass house, doesn't it?

Best regards
Thomas

na · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:14 am

Old man follows old man follows old man. North Korea aside, is there a more restricted country on this planet than Saudi Arabia? Ok, its a safe country obviously for its inhabitants (but not for the millions of semi-slave workers and philippine maid-servants which often face rape with no chance of court appeal).

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 18):
As if Islam was the only religion which have a history of death and destructions, suggest you read some history books.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin, which were by far the most responsible for war and terror deaths in the 20th century, were no Christians and were leading virtually atheistic regimes!
But, if someone should have forgotten, the 20th century is over now for 15 years. I´d like to see a graphic of TODAY, not the past century. And one about terrorism. That´ll look very, very different! Its TODAYS problems that need to be solved.
Unfortunately for the terrorists heavens has run out of virgins, jihadists can only expect a tube of vaseline nowadays!

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 25):
-Life seems so boring in town. I saw men chatting in tea houses, no women to look at; no (apparent) laughter, no joy.

My best friend recently stayed a few weeks there on business. He is a well-travelled manager and he says its the most boring and restricted, unhappy country he has ever been to.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 28):
What did you expect, democracy in a muslim country?

Basically democracy and Islam dont go together. The Koran is anti-democratic, its fascistic at its core. There are a few muslim democracies, granted, but I say a state which has a state religion is no true democracy.

Lets quote the "democratic" president of Turkey: "There is no moderate Islam." "Assimilation is a crime." "German Turks must learn turkish first, not German!" "Since 5700 years jews are ruling the world. Its the rulership of injustice and cruelty." And the best: "democracy is only the train we jump on until we reach the destination. Our mosques are our barracks, our minarets bayonets, the faithful our soldiers."

Kiwirob · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):
http://www.inquisitr.com/1772276/800...support-of-charlie-hebdo-massacre/

I struggle to see how this could be possible there are only 1.2 million living in the entire country.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
LOL!
Touchy.

He's got you their Fly, the whores in Saudi are mostly kidnapped young Eastern European or Russian girls.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 30):
Dubai is the preferred play town, but i know there is no gambling there.

You should say no legal gambling, there's plenty of illegal gambling.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 35):
Oil price is going up ...

I noticed petrol was more expensive this morning, not that the price of petrol droped at all over the past few months.

SOBHI51 · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:30 am

Quoting na (Reply 45):
Lets quote the "democratic" president of Turkey

Mr. Erdogan is neither democratic nor liberal, he backs the Muslim brotherhood and allows terrorists to join Isis through his country.

na · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 47):
Mr. Erdogan is neither democratic nor liberal, he backs the Muslim brotherhood and allows terrorists to join Isis through his country.

But Turkey is a democracy and Erdogan has been elected by the people. And not just once. His fascistic views seem to be backed by a large part of the turkish people. Very worrying.

Aesma · Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
800,000 Muslims marched in support of the Paris terrorist attack in Chechnya?!?!?!?!
Surprised this didn't get that much media attention in the West. Then again, I'm not too surprised.
Kudos to Putin for keeping his boot on their necks.

It was a government led protest. Can you say "USSR" ?

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